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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Yeah if I was questioned my story was that I holstered night 1 as I thought I would either get doctored or the scum would doc-dodge me. I went on alert n2 hoping to get the power role scum if not the killer. And then I would go into speculation about what might have happened. Did they read me? Did they put a consigliere on me n1 and therefore know my role? Etc, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    Out of curiosity, what made you lean towards claiming veteran as your TPR?
    To give myself an excuse to be alive in the f3 instead of Bakemir if town was insistent on lynching DW. I was projecting I’d gone on alert and whiffed, in the f3 I’d say oh, they must have thought that was a fake out or something?” And a spent veteran is no threat anyway, unlike some other roles.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    And yeah Bekamir you nearly did WIFOM me into killing you instead of Grak. I had to reread your posts a bunch of times to be confident in reading you as citizen rather than unclaimed power role. It was a good strategy to deal with the 2 TPR world, but you needed to project that hidden TPR thing more consistently. There were times where it was absolutely clear that you thought me and Grak were the only power roles.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Also the fake claim immediately ended the conversation that was revolving around suspicions about Dallarian. So it had that benefit. I knew I was better at handling pressure so I intentionally sought to bring it away from him and onto myself.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    I also considered the mass claim the best strategy for town, I saw that town was starting to come towards that conclusion with lots of time left in the day, so I decided to get ahead of it and try to claim some credibility by being the one pushing for it firstly, and secondly by pushing for a lynch in my own group.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Finally: my plan when I fakeclaimed:

    I had no idea that there were only two town power roles. I was expecting to face another claim alongside Grak. My plan was, in a 3/4 split, to argue for a lynch in the power roles and to thunderdome down Grak on day 2, and then in mylo when I was facing the last PR and trying to do it again, for Dallarian to lead the charge against me by linking me to Martin.

    The case I had laid was that I would always come out at him hard at the start of the day and then find some reason to get off him when it came time to lynch and that I would come up with bullshit reasons to town read or scum read him at any given moment that suited me best and that we continued to always be friendly even after my very savage attacks on him. Dall would argue that this was all an elaborate distancing play from audacious wolf, as if I was lynched, I would have been proven to be. I hoped that along with Bakemir’s tunnel on Martin we could send them into the f3 and lynch Martin there if I couldn’t get the job done in the f5.

    Instead I got lucky. Without that luck, I think I still had a winning game plan, but I can’t complain with how it went lol.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    Are you saying read the whole thread next time, or that you already posted criticism in a post?
    I mean, read what has happened before you came into the game.

    I found your unawareness of the situation useful, it helped me push the idea of you as a dumb wolf claiming citizen when your partner already did so. Without that, I might have had a harder time selling that there were two wolves in the citizens.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    Thanks, any constructive criticism? Usually I do the sandwich approach. Compliment, Criticism, Compliment- but you can skip that and just tell me how I can play better
    Read the thread, lol.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Huh. Lol.

    Ok then
    Weirdo.

    You sticking around? Or do we have to trick you into more bets?
    I’ve got some other games that I’m committed to first! I’m playing a reunion game for Game 8 right now and after that I have to do another one from another lost bet on Forum of Loathing.

    After that, who knows. I might need a break from mafia, it’s pretty emotionally exhausting! But a great time.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Anyway I want to say a few things.

    First, this was an absolutely exhilarating way to experience my first full, complete mafia game. Thank you so much to everyone for being a part of it.

    I genuinely believe that most players did a great job on the town side.

    Martin, I was incredibly impressed with your astounding level of Want It More, your analysis, and your work ethic. If I weren’t a wolf I would have lock town read you and never looked back.

    Bakemir, my read on you was legit. You were the towniest town I could imagine, to the point I couldn’t consider faking otherwise like I did with Martin. He just posted so much stuff it was easy to find one or two things to pull at.

    Renegade, I hoped you were a power role, but I killed you first because you scared me the most.

    Auwt, you were the one to see through me. Well done.

    Grakylan, you all but nailed the scum team at the start of d2. Hold your head high.

    Drizzt, your sincerity shone through your posts to a point that it was really hard to convince others to go against you, despite the perceived mechanical situation.

    Dallarian and DW, you guys were amazing partners and DW in particular played the harder role Under pressure. I’m so proud to share this win with you.

    And lastly a big thank you to SuperJack for hosting this game.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Just so you know. As host I made a few mistake.

    1)Not vetting Ash. I was getting desperate for signs and just assumed he didn't have much experience. In hindsight I should of got to know them better.
    Huh? No you were absolutely right here. I don’t have much experience. This is the very first mafia game that I have played that someone actually won. I have previously played in two cancelled games - game 8 of champs and another one like 15 years ago.

    I have never been nightkilled, I have never been lynched, I have never lynched a scum.

    Just because I played well doesn’t make me not a noob.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    -vote Drizzt
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Don't forget Bakermir has mentioned a few times already that he needs to go soon, so if we're ending it today we better do it soon.
    Considering we’re lining up to lynch you, if you’re town this is a game throw.

    Yeah this is always scum. You just want out and to let your partner try to win the 50/50 in the f3.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    You vastly underestimate my desire not to read before page 40 when I started lol. So citizen claims are myself, Bakemir and DW. I got confused there.
    Right, and Bakemir is greenchecked by a confirmed detective. So it’s really between the three of you, and if you are town, you therefore know who both scum are.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Maybe Dall was just cowardly and didn’t want to face off against me and Grak, who were both being pretty assertive. In that case he really dumped DW in it, and DW has been hard bussing Martin to get the credibility to mislynch Drizzt in the f3.

    I dunno. I’m ready to see the lynch pool throw down votes. If you’re the town player in DW/Martin/Drizzt, you’re the one person guaranteed to vote right.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    Wait, maybe I misunderstood but I thought there are two citizens remaining and we have three citizen claims- Martin, myself, and DW. That would mean a Drizzt/DW team is impossible, right?
    This just has to be a fake derpclear, doesn’t it? Drizzt can’t possibly be this unaware of the situation.

    Gah. I dunno, maybe it is DW/Martin. But I just don’t see that team getting themselves here. Dallarian/DW claimed after Martin, could easily have claimed TPR, and seemed too aware to not know this would be the result of faking citizen.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    I’m just glad Grak randed TPR to be honest because without the un CC’d claim I would have been up to mislynch the poor guy for sure. Really we’ve had a lot of good luck this game, despite some unhelpful town partners.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    And if this really is some sick timeline where you have both managed to convince me you’re town through the whole game and somehow get a green check from a confirmed power role when you’re mafia, then I’m not even mad. G flipping g.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    My vote today would be on DW but I am open to voting Martin and Drizzt.

    I really dislike how 2 players I was marking as null/scum lean got upgraded into some game where Drizzt is displaying a better version of Heltanis "Day One Gameplay" which I was finding a bit suspicious while DW is being quite different than Dallarian.


    DW voted up Martin twice now. Day Two/Day Three

    Dallarian was protective of Martin Day One and was sure Zedus was evil and had negative thoughts on Auwt's alignment.

    DW, Drizzt and Martin all of them were OK with lynching Auwt. Drizzt is still scum bandwagon just like how Helltanis was.

    Martin could be the town here but then he has his own list of things I consider scum entire game. Him and Auwt were openly hunting TPR's and had wrong guesses on some town problems.


    However you have trusted me and Grakylan confirmed me. I do feel like I owe Grakylan for spoiling me this much lol

    His lw says Martin.

    I am okay with your decision at this point. Even voting Drizzt.


    I don't know really. It is just a game anyway. I just want to make all the town players happy by winning the game.


    Mafia just type -suicide lol


    I don't know..



    @Drizzt

    Who would you vote between Martin and DW
    Honestly, I feel like this is the easy choice. I think the team is Martin/Drizzt, you think it’s DW/Martin, Grak had lynching Martin as his last request. If the one town in that group of three is the one person that all three locked town players believe is scum, we deserve to lose.

    The hard choice is going to be the f3. Whichever one of us goes there, is going to be in WIFOM hell. I’ll be wondering if DW brought me to kill Drizzt or you’ll be wondering if Drizzt brought you to kill DW. I hope I’m the night kill and it’s your problem lol.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    My scum to null haven't changed. Auwt>Martin>DW>Drizzt


    Honestly, I wanted to see how mafia would play this out but DW kinda admitted whatever they do will look like the spiderman meme.


    I don't know. Them considering me and you evil gives me a slight hope but then there have been too many things before.


    Grakylan wants Martin out. I feel like I owe him one.


    Martin and Dallarian were buddies earlier.

    Now DW is saying Martin is more scum than Drizzt.


    Idk, I had no sleep and I am quite tired. If you guys want to end this now then lets go.


    Martin, you have choosen Drizzt.

    DW is most likely choosing Martin.


    But what is Drizzt choosing?
    Honestly, I think I’m good with a Martin lynch. It’s what Grak wanted, it’s what you want, and I’ve been scumreading him for half the game. I’m good to just do it now.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Betting he thinks Drizzt given his last reads list. Out of the three, he's the most towny on that list.
    Hmm. To me, Drizzt is the one that’s always scum. Martin has a long-standing citizen claim out there and Dallarian claimed in a long, thought out post. I don’t see that considered decision from scum Dallarian putting scum Martin and himself in this bind. So if it’s not dw/Martin it’s either Drizzt/DW or Drizzt/Martin.

    Guess we just need to talk it out.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    If you want, we can end this now
    Who do you think is NOT the scum? I have no objections to the lynch pool voting now because the townie in it never votes townie. But you and me need to get it right.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Yeah there’s a tiny edge possibility of bakemir being exactly godfather, but I am never going to bet the game on that. Not when we have a 2/3 chance to hit scum in the non-insane world where it’s 2 of Martin/DW/Drizzt.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Okay I gotta tear myself away from the thread and get my kids ready for school.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    I’m a Veteran, for the record.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Damn. I got juked.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Alright guys, I’m out for the night, and probably the game. I have been missing a lot of sleep because of this game, and I am exhausted. It’s been absolutely worth it, though.

    In the worst case scenario where I’m nightkilled and Auwt flips green, you guys will be in lylo with 2 scum in the lynch pool of 3. In this scenario, the lynch pool needs to vote first - the one town player can vote for either of the other two freely as they will both be scum. Then the confirmed towns in bakemir and Grakylan need to confer and come to an agreement and vote as a bloc.

    If, as I expect, he flips red and I’m dead, great work. I trust this town to get the job done and I’ll be reading along cheering you on.

    -vote Auwt
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Actually, I just realised a potential additional point in favour of Drizzt being scum: the fact that all the scum are in the citizen claims.

    I believe the optimal strategy for scum would have been to split 1/1 with one claiming power and one claiming citizen. That keeps the entire town in consideration as potential scum. However they both went citizen, so we have been able to clear 3.

    So why did they do it? Well one possibility is that Drizzt subbed in and claimed citizen almost instantly, and at a point when he didn’t realise the significance of that. Remember he did not seem to be very aware of the game state. If he did after his partner already claimed citizen, the scum just locked themselves out of their best strategy with a poorly timed sub.

    I don’t recall whether Auwt had hardclaimed citizen before or after Drizzt, but he had certainly implied it hard enough that he felt he had no other choice, despite the bad situation.

    This is all theorycrafting but it’s been nagging at me for a while that the scum didn’t play this situation right from their perspective and I’ve been wondering why. This might not be the reason but I like to think it is.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Anyone who wants to leave before end of day can just throw their vote down on Auwt IMO. The rest of us might take a bit more time but I think it’s clear at this point that’s where we’re heading.

    I’m not, for the record, 100% sold on the connection to Drizzt but it’s the best fitting partner I could find for Auwt. But yeah I think the most important step is to first confirm the flip and then work from there.
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    Oh, and Drizzt is busy pushing DW, so his own behaviour is consistent with being a team with Auwt.
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    Hilariously, this means I have now moved to be townreading Martin once again.
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    The Case Against Auwt and Helltanis/Drizzt

    I’m going to keep this relatively short and simple. We all know the broader context on Auwt. He’s been openly power role hunting, he’s been trying to pressure me into revealing my role to prove myself at a time when I expected to be facing a counterclaim (but the scum knew otherwise), he’s mainly been tunnelling two now mechanically confirmed townies, etc, etc.

    But here’s the smoking gun. Here’s his explanation of why Renegade was nightkilled, after Martin blamed him for it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    No I will explain why did Renegade die (in my opinion).

    Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade

    Martin and Grakylan were in the overall scum list. No need to kill them.

    It leaves Ash, Dallarian, Renegade.

    Ash has been a strong town figure through all D1. He would obviously lure any protective role on him (which is by the way what I expected town protective to do.)

    It leaves Dallarian and Renegade.

    And thats how I came to a conclusion that since Renegade died, Dallarian has 2 options.

    First - He is scum so he would obviously not target himself.
    Second - He is a town and it was a 50/50 between Dallarian/Renegade.

    I didnt paint any of Dallarian and Renegade.

    If you still think its my fault, then I havent done my job here.
    There are two players missing from this list. Auwt and Helltanis, who were not on Zedus’ wagon. Auwt never considered them possible kill targets.

    I pushed him on this, demanding to know why he left himself off the list of possible kills. He ignored my repeated demands for an explanation and departed the thread. Some time later after he had time to think he came back with an explanation:

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I've already talked about the reason why I didnt consider myself a target, I can sum it up once again if you want.
    I was the one going against the flow on a townie train + I was(is idk) a strong town figure D1, as you were.
    With that in mind going on either of you or me is kinda hard.

    The second argument is the reason why I believe they didnt go on you, Ash.
    This part is an absolute lie. ISO him yourself. He literally never gave any explanation before this post.

    Also, the rest of it is also an obvious lie. The reason he’s not on the list is because the list is a list of people voting for Zedus. He didn’t omit himself from it because he considered himself a strong town voice, just as he didn’t omit Helltanis for being a strong town voice. They are not on it because they didn’t vote for Zedus.

    So why would he think that only people who voted Zedus were potential targets? Well, there’s absolutely no potential logical connection, except one. That the people on it were all town and the people off it were all scum.

    And what is Auwt doing now? Well right now he's busy defending Drizzt:

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Ive already talked about Helltanis, he withdrew his vote by editing his post, and posted that it would be better to wait for a mentor, if thats not town leaning, idk what you want. He also mentionned the 1 extra life thing. I believe this is a "soft?" citizen claim? Dont you think so?
    I have to wait a bit to analyze Drizzt, but my read on Helltanis will certainly be copy pasta to Drizzt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Your predecessor looked very Citizen like with their actions and speechs.
    That may also be why Helltanis got bored, happens.
    But the truth is, we shall wait a bit to eliminate as much possible scum as we can.

    With that in mind, either Martin or DW are lying for me right now.
    So yeah. I believe the scum team is exactly Auwt and Drizzt. And of those two, I would like Auwt - the brains of the operation - to be the first lynch.
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    Thread:S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

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    Oh one last thing:

    DW, Drizzt: please take the time left in the day to go back and build a proper case against one or two of the other slots in your four person group. Someone in this group is getting lynched and at least two are town. We need to be able to identify at least one of the group as town to have a winning POE, and helping us solve the group is the best way to show us that you’re the person we can afford to not lynch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Ive already talked about Helltanis, he withdrew his vote by editing his post, and posted that it would be better to wait for a mentor, if thats not town leaning, idk what you want. He also mentionned the 1 extra life thing. I believe this is a "soft?" citizen claim? Dont you think so?
    I have to wait a bit to analyze Drizzt, but my read on Helltanis will certainly be copy pasta to Drizzt.
    How is that town? That’s just derp.

    Sorry, gotta make myself stop checking the phone and get some work done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Oh neat, I was waiting for that episode to come out. Sorry for you about the player who breached the game integrity and ruined it for you though.
    Thanks mate. Yeah no worries, it’s just a game.

    Anyways I have stuff to do in my day so I can’t babysit this thread forever. At this stage I’m looking at Auwt for today’s lynch, but I want to go back and reassess properly first and see if his day start was as bad as I felt it was in the moment.
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    Anyways guys we’re at a point where we can pretty much say there are two scum in the group of Auwt/Martin/Drizzt/Deathworlds outside of weird edge situations like only 2 PRs in the setup or bakemir being a Godfather. We have three lynches to find those two scum. I like those odds. My claiming strategy has worked out far better than I could have hoped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    This looks cool, thank you for that.

    Do you have more streams?
    Not my stream, it’s Thingyman’s. I was just a guest as I played in the game.

    He’s got a podcast for each of the games this season, with players from the games coming on and chatting about their specific game and also more general mafia stuff.
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    Anyway on a lighter note I was just on the Game 8 podcast for Mafia Champs. So if you guys want to see me in the flesh talking mafia, check it out: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/664306128
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    Tension Tension Tension. Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted.
    Wow, read the damn thread.

    I and Grak have outed ourselves as power roles and everyone has had a chance to counterclaim and no one has done so. At this point, we are both mechanically locked town. Which is freaking me out a bit to be honest, I really was thinking Grak was scum from his reactions to my outing.
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    As for why I town read Bakemir - it’s about mindset. Everything he posts, to me, feels like it comes from a mindset of wanting to hunt and wanting to solve.

    I could iso him to show examples and why I think that, but he’s now a greenchecked citizen by an uncounterclaimed detective. So if you’re arguing he’s scum you’re basically mechanically proven wrong.

    If he were to claim power role all of a sudden and I had to choose between him and Grak I’d do the due diligence and test out if I’d misread the guy, but right now recent developments are telling me my read was right and your read - or pretend read - is wrong.
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    And I’ve been inactive for a while because it is now 9am here and my last post was at something like 2:30am and I do occasionally sleep.
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    Holy shit Auwt, stop trying to push me into revealing my role.

    Is it inconceivable to you that there may be situations for town where it’s better if the scum don’t know what they’re dealing with?

    Or is that the exact reason you’re pushing for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    I stand by Dallarian's citizen claim
    -vote MartinGG99

    This slot is most likely to be scum from my pov. I'll be back with more content on them but I just got off my graveyard shift, I haven't slept in like 18 hours and my brain feels like a soft tomato.
    Well, this is interesting.

    Thanks for playing with us Dallarian. Welcome to the game death!

    Enjoy your rest and I look forward to seeing fuller thoughts from you when you are rested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    I don't think it is smart we discuss further into peoples roles until we hear from Dallarian and Drizzt.

    This is also why I don't know which one would be better to lynch today. Citizen or TPR.

    What if Drizzt claims TPR and not citizen? Helltanis claimed citizen earlier.

    What if Dallarian says he is citizen today?

    Then which one of us is the real TPR? Auwt/Bakermir/Martin
    Yeah this true. We need to stop getting ahead of ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Please keep in mind there is no need to lynch any of citizen claims unless more than 3 people claim it.
    Atm, i believe only you(bakermir) and Martin are claiming it.
    Leaving the last spot open.
    I'm waiting for Drizzt to take position between power/citizen side.
    Yeah of course, if we get 4 PR claims we will have 3 clear citizens. Conversely if we have only 2 we will have me and Grak clear and bakemir confirmed green checked.

    For this reason I assume the scum will split one in each group. Otherwise we’ve almost won the game already. Three lynches in a group of four people to catch two is amazing for us. I don’t think they’ll let us have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Yeah but remember that you put 4 persons on the Citizen side.
    But only 3 are currently Citizen. So basicaly one of bakermir/Martin/me/Drizzt is power.
    With that in mind the first list should be Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian/X

    With X being the power role classified in the Citizen group.

    So its truly possible and by the way IS THE CASE that between Ash/Grakylan/Dallarian/X, there are 2 SCUMS
    So power role are now in big trouble.

    I believe this post is really helping a lot...
    Huh? I don’t understand. Why would you assume there is a power role within the citizen group and not a scum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    I mean, if someone’s not claiming power role at this point they are by omission claiming citizen.
    Though perhaps we should just make it explicit. Bakemir, Auwt, do you want to hard claim citizen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Lynching Citizens wont solve anything, unless more than 3 people claim it, we should really focus on power roles, that's why I was willing to ear more from every power role.
    I do not believe that hiding your role and clue for now will make you look that much as a townie.
    Same goes for Dallarian, and the others.

    I wont be voting Martin, bakermir this day.
    I'm waiting for a potential 3rd Citizen claim to close the Citizen list.
    I mean, if someone’s not claiming power role at this point they are by omission claiming citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    I already thought about this but I think deciding this after we get more from you and Dallarian could be more beneficial for town.


    You have made your stance clear. Still waiting for Dallarian input.
    I agree, don’t decide yet. But it’s worth mulling over.

    From my perspective I’d like to lynch in the power role claims. I like my chances of solving Grak/Dallarian correctly way more than solving Martin/Auwt/Drizzt/bakemir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I do not get why there would be exactly only ONE in this list.
    We had three power roles and four citizens. We lost one of each. Now we have 2 power roles and 3 citizens.

    So if we have claims of 3 and 4, that means we have one scum in each group.
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