[vote]loldebite[/vote] [B][SIZE=5]MVP well deserved[/SIZE][/B]
[COLOR="#DDA0DD"]You actually played it better than many cops I have seen back in the day. They would usually crumble under mafia's dirt but you stood your ground well against Frinckles and forced them to NK you after outing two of them, which is the dream PR game.[/COLOR]
Special credit to Martin for actually making the best out of his limited activity. He was instrumental to confirming Jailer, revealing CE for town, guided town on D3 to enable another day gun & follow loldebite against Frinckles. Solid case against ikarus on F3.
I also want to give a special mention to mafia team, Frinckles/Stellaria did amazing job distancing themselves from ikarus which allowed him to go UTR for a long time. I also loved reading everything all over again after reading the mafia chat. You guys indeed deserve an Oscar for the first two days :love:
I think mafia got unlucky with how aggressive I was on D3 after Gikkle decided to pull a gambit. I also think mafia had better chances if they had waited one more day to CC. But I understand Frinckles also had limited availability and if it hadn't been that, we could have been in a different game.
Zenon, Varcron did great with their limited time and many thanks for subbing in. We had 2 slots that contributed nothing to the game which made things a bit weird.
Renegade, I still chuckle at how Frinckles described your town game being the most doctor ever. I loved that and yes, it was great playing with you. You are a strong player and I don't think the criticism you get for not posting enough is justified. I respect your style a lot. It is solid and there are a lot to learn from your town games.
Italiano, I hope I get another chance to play with you at some point. I would love to see more of you.
GG to Gikkle and Auwt. I respect their choices and they played well. Things got lucky for one and unlucky for the other in the end but thats FM. I really enjoyed your last day Gikkle even though you did a dirty one on me by revealing the roles, it is only fair after what I have done. I hope there are no bad feelings.
[MENTION=3897]powerofdeath[/MENTION] it was a smooth game and you done a great job setting up everything perfectly. I also appreciate you took the time to get back on sc2maf and provided a great game for all of us newcomers :)
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]oh and as for setup balance[/COLOR], have you ever considered replacing jester with another 3p, maybe a modified jester or something like arsonist/poisoner. or you could add a town role like amnesiac that could also become a secondary jester. for example, amnesiac>insane jester mechanics from: INSANE ASYLUM [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/43694-Insane-Asylum[/url] I feel like that could balance this more in favor of every team. at the same time, I feel like town could use 1 locked PR from start and that PR can try to avoid getting a role? this could help town slightly more and make it more balanced. It would depend on how you want to approach the jester slot. It could be a forced marshall/mayor(jester game) or a doc(arsonist/poisoner). I think the CE mechanic is great and for the second edition you should certainly consider making the game for jester slot more complicated and slightly improve town power.
-vote loldebite
MVP well deserved
You actually played it better than many cops I have seen back in the day. They would usually crumble under mafia's dirt but you stood your ground well against Frinckles and forced them to NK you after outing two of them, which is the dream PR game.
Special credit to Martin for actually making the best out of his limited activity. He was instrumental to confirming Jailer, revealing CE for town, guided town on D3 to enable another day gun & follow loldebite against Frinckles. Solid case against ikarus on F3.
I also want to give a special mention to mafia team, Frinckles/Stellaria did amazing job distancing themselves from ikarus which allowed him to go UTR for a long time. I also loved reading everything all over again after reading the mafia chat. You guys indeed deserve an Oscar for the first two days
I think mafia got unlucky with how aggressive I was on D3 after Gikkle decided to pull a gambit. I also think mafia had better chances if they had waited one more day to CC. But I understand Frinckles also had limited availability and if it hadn't been that, we could have been in a different game.
Zenon, Varcron did great with their limited time and many thanks for subbing in. We had 2 slots that contributed nothing to the game which made things a bit weird.
Renegade, I still chuckle at how Frinckles described your town game being the most doctor ever. I loved that and yes, it was great playing with you. You are a strong player and I don't think the criticism you get for not posting enough is justified. I respect your style a lot. It is solid and there are a lot to learn from your town games.
Italiano, I hope I get another chance to play with you at some point. I would love to see more of you.
GG to Gikkle and Auwt. I respect their choices and they played well. Things got lucky for one and unlucky for the other in the end but thats FM. I really enjoyed your last day Gikkle even though you did a dirty one on me by revealing the roles, it is only fair after what I have done. I hope there are no bad feelings.
@powerofdeath
it was a smooth game and you done a great job setting up everything perfectly. I also appreciate you took the time to get back on sc2maf and provided a great game for all of us newcomers
oh and as for setup balance, have you ever considered replacing jester with another 3p, maybe a modified jester or something like arsonist/poisoner. or you could add a town role like amnesiac that could also become a secondary jester. for example, amnesiac>insane jester mechanics from: INSANE ASYLUM https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...-Insane-Asylum I feel like that could balance this more in favor of every team. at the same time, I feel like town could use 1 locked PR from start and that PR can try to avoid getting a role? this could help town slightly more and make it more balanced. It would depend on how you want to approach the jester slot. It could be a forced marshall/mayor(jester game) or a doc(arsonist/poisoner). I think the CE mechanic is great and for the second edition you should certainly consider making the game for jester slot more complicated and slightly improve town power.
[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] hey buddy
if you die, the person you jail is greenchecked. if you don't die then you got the mafia. you already know this anyway.
whoever you jail tonight, make sure to pass your reads/poe to them as if they are town. also please try to merge your reads with mine before finalizing everything in your head.
here is my LW. [I]You can also refer back to my defense wallpost if you need further understanding of my pov.[/I]
since we are not voting varcron/renegade today thanks to nancy:
poe should be nancy>varcron>renegade>martin/zenon
nancy have shown crazy amount of activity for a 6v1 elimination on a town PR. i can tell from experience; i have done a similar play like nancy as mafia and managed to win a 1v6 game before against "goats" by appealing to emotions and the crazy posting. also the way she refuses to acknowledge the fact that s!GS would always arm their team for ez kills while asserting her "oh look at my im so town" because she had a carol and outed one mafia is the biggest fallacy here in their logic, if not hypocritical and stupid.. Conclusion: This could very well be a mafia that bussed their FPS and redchecked partners out. trust me people tend to forget who the mafia is coming to LyLo. take her down before it is too late.
also don't trust their "hey i offered to jail yoshida for a skip" card. [U]that's all fake.[/U]
i suggest you jail one in martin/zenon. both are strong players and if we get a green check on one then they can take the lead tomorrow. there is also a good chance you stop a mafia here. if the other is mafia, it is still better than losing the game at the hands of someone emotionally unstable, hard tunneling and potentially the biggest mafia candidate.
this is for intentionally failing to reason and only focusing on winning arguments rather than thinking straight.
[vote]Nancy Drew 39[/vote]
i am out of this game. i enjoyed my days and happy with my performance. i got another game to play tomorrow and i couldn't care more that people decide to listen to fallacies while I have presented the facts and a better solve. surely it isn't the end of the world for town if I get yeeted- I don't feel bad departing like this..
gl to rest of town and cheers to the ones that have fallen regardless of alignment- it was a pleasure playing with most of you guys.
and thank you for hosting pod! you are great :)
@ikarusdk
hey buddy
if you die, the person you jail is greenchecked. if you don't die then you got the mafia. you already know this anyway.
whoever you jail tonight, make sure to pass your reads/poe to them as if they are town. also please try to merge your reads with mine before finalizing everything in your head.
here is my LW. You can also refer back to my defense wallpost if you need further understanding of my pov.
since we are not voting varcron/renegade today thanks to nancy:
poe should be nancy>varcron>renegade>martin/zenon
nancy have shown crazy amount of activity for a 6v1 elimination on a town PR. i can tell from experience; i have done a similar play like nancy as mafia and managed to win a 1v6 game before against "goats" by appealing to emotions and the crazy posting. also the way she refuses to acknowledge the fact that s!GS would always arm their team for ez kills while asserting her "oh look at my im so town" because she had a carol and outed one mafia is the biggest fallacy here in their logic, if not hypocritical and stupid.. Conclusion: This could very well be a mafia that bussed their FPS and redchecked partners out. trust me people tend to forget who the mafia is coming to LyLo. take her down before it is too late.
also don't trust their "hey i offered to jail yoshida for a skip" card. that's all fake.
i suggest you jail one in martin/zenon. both are strong players and if we get a green check on one then they can take the lead tomorrow. there is also a good chance you stop a mafia here. if the other is mafia, it is still better than losing the game at the hands of someone emotionally unstable, hard tunneling and potentially the biggest mafia candidate.
this is for intentionally failing to reason and only focusing on winning arguments rather than thinking straight.
-vote Nancy Drew 39
i am out of this game. i enjoyed my days and happy with my performance. i got another game to play tomorrow and i couldn't care more that people decide to listen to fallacies while I have presented the facts and a better solve. surely it isn't the end of the world for town if I get yeeted- I don't feel bad departing like this..
gl to rest of town and cheers to the ones that have fallen regardless of alignment- it was a pleasure playing with most of you guys.
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987153]Having said that, I don't know why yoshida just didn't want Zenon to shoot Stellaria?[/QUOTE]
There is a same answer to the question: why did Zenon want a gun last EOD?
I have already explained today why I wanted to clear the carol pool first before moving on to the other pool. I have boxed the scum and only thing that lets last mafia out of that box is to get me or you (COPS) voted out today or a skip vote.
We still had Stellaria under our leash even if Zenon decided to shoot a possible t!Varcron or me or you. IF they did this then it would have outed them. I am also repeating this too that I have picked Zenon instead of Varcron from the pool because Zenon was more town than Varcron in my eyes.
Let's look at the other pool of players for possible gun candidates:
Your stellaria jail call was another WIFOM last EOD. This meant you could as well jail lolde for protection or tried to stop your next SR after stellaria- or jail stellaria.
Renegade who refused to shoot Frinckles way before we figured out there is a bomber.
Martin- I SR as much as Ren due to association with Frinckles D2(auwt lynch day) and to some extent D3(gikkle lynch day).
Nancy who received a carol and outed a possible mafia. Potential NK/Jail
Loldebite the Caroler. Potential NK/Jail
These 4 would probably shoot me first and eliminate Stellaria next and completely get away with it.. It would benefit mafia more than Town.
My decision of giving a gun between Varcron/Zenon was the right play even though it might come off weird but you are a cop too so you should understand.
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
Having said that, I don't know why yoshida just didn't want Zenon to shoot Stellaria?
There is a same answer to the question: why did Zenon want a gun last EOD?
I have already explained today why I wanted to clear the carol pool first before moving on to the other pool. I have boxed the scum and only thing that lets last mafia out of that box is to get me or you (COPS) voted out today or a skip vote.
We still had Stellaria under our leash even if Zenon decided to shoot a possible t!Varcron or me or you. IF they did this then it would have outed them. I am also repeating this too that I have picked Zenon instead of Varcron from the pool because Zenon was more town than Varcron in my eyes.
Let's look at the other pool of players for possible gun candidates:
Your stellaria jail call was another WIFOM last EOD. This meant you could as well jail lolde for protection or tried to stop your next SR after stellaria- or jail stellaria.
Renegade who refused to shoot Frinckles way before we figured out there is a bomber.
Martin- I SR as much as Ren due to association with Frinckles D2(auwt lynch day) and to some extent D3(gikkle lynch day).
Nancy who received a carol and outed a possible mafia. Potential NK/Jail
Loldebite the Caroler. Potential NK/Jail
These 4 would probably shoot me first and eliminate Stellaria next and completely get away with it.. It would benefit mafia more than Town.
My decision of giving a gun between Varcron/Zenon was the right play even though it might come off weird but you are a cop too so you should understand.
yeet yoshida - zenon,nancy
jail yoshida - ikarus
yeet another, jail another or shida - yoshida[/QUOTE]
hey I have no problem with getting jailed. and I think you should consider my proposal of jailing someone else too. We have been the good cop / bad cop since CE flip and the mafia narrative haven't changed past two days. but its also ok with me if you end up jailing me today and not jail your top SR then we can discuss reads and you can pass me your LW/POE tomorrow and I can give a gun to whomever you think is the best choice. What I understand from OOO, I will be able to give a gun if mafia kills you while jailing me. I might be wrong about this though. we can check with host.
also, there is no redemption for Nancy's tunnel. I have tried my best with them. One thing that is more dangerous than a mafia is a tunneling town trying to eliminate a PR. i can't even justify this tunnel as WIFOM to protect me today. They are just anti-town at this point and I don't know what to do if I get the greencheck tomorrow. I literally have no one here besides you trying to solve the game.
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
so far it is
yeet yoshida - zenon,nancy
jail yoshida - ikarus
yeet another, jail another or shida - yoshida
hey I have no problem with getting jailed. and I think you should consider my proposal of jailing someone else too. We have been the good cop / bad cop since CE flip and the mafia narrative haven't changed past two days. but its also ok with me if you end up jailing me today and not jail your top SR then we can discuss reads and you can pass me your LW/POE tomorrow and I can give a gun to whomever you think is the best choice. What I understand from OOO, I will be able to give a gun if mafia kills you while jailing me. I might be wrong about this though. we can check with host.
also, there is no redemption for Nancy's tunnel. I have tried my best with them. One thing that is more dangerous than a mafia is a tunneling town trying to eliminate a PR. i can't even justify this tunnel as WIFOM to protect me today. They are just anti-town at this point and I don't know what to do if I get the greencheck tomorrow. I literally have no one here besides you trying to solve the game.
unless ikarus is the last mafia but I doubt that. I also don't see him winning this game as mafia. we have the numbers advantage here and only way town loses is by voting a PR out today in a 6v1. I am sad only ikarus can see this and everyone else not.
unless ikarus is the last mafia but I doubt that. I also don't see him winning this game as mafia. we have the numbers advantage here and only way town loses is by voting a PR out today in a 6v1. I am sad only ikarus can see this and everyone else not.
The song will name 3 people and at least one of the name are mafia.
I saw this as the carol containing 1 mafia name guaranteed with a possibility of more mafia. IF this is limited to 1 mafia then we can have T!Zenon and T!Varcron here.
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Can carol contain more than one mafia?[/COLOR] [MENTION=3897]powerofdeath[/MENTION]
I am honestly not sure:
The song will name 3 people and at least one of the name are mafia.
I saw this as the carol containing 1 mafia name guaranteed with a possibility of more mafia. IF this is limited to 1 mafia then we can have T!Zenon and T!Varcron here.
Can carol contain more than one mafia?
@powerofdeath
[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987122]What’s mafia indicative is that you refuse to agree to be jailkept because you know you’re fucked. If you were town, you’d want to be cleared by jk.[/QUOTE]
What's mafia indicative is that your failure to read my posts. I have already agreed to this as part of Solve 2 above. You got nothing on this game besides your tunnel on me. I told you to get out of it many times.
Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39
What’s mafia indicative is that you refuse to agree to be jailkept because you know you’re fucked. If you were town, you’d want to be cleared by jk.
What's mafia indicative is that your failure to read my posts. I have already agreed to this as part of Solve 2 above. You got nothing on this game besides your tunnel on me. I told you to get out of it many times.
[QUOTE=Zenon;987117]Yoshida needs to die. They appealed me to shoot Vacron and avoid Stellaria.
They pushed to execute me if Vacron was shot and town under the impression of course that is where my shot would go because of my EoD.
I shot Stellaria cause big brain. I did not flip the town they begged me to shoot. I am now still being pushed by Yoshida. Pls explain how this is EVER town[/QUOTE]
stop lying. I forced you to shoot between me/varcron/stellaria by giving a gun to you. IF anything I am the 20000 IQ here not you.
You only played the best you could and didn't make a mistake. You shooting Stellaria is NAI. You lying and scumpainting me is MAFIA INDICATIVE
Originally Posted by Zenon
Yoshida needs to die. They appealed me to shoot Vacron and avoid Stellaria.
They pushed to execute me if Vacron was shot and town under the impression of course that is where my shot would go because of my EoD.
I shot Stellaria cause big brain. I did not flip the town they begged me to shoot. I am now still being pushed by Yoshida. Pls explain how this is EVER town
stop lying. I forced you to shoot between me/varcron/stellaria by giving a gun to you. IF anything I am the 20000 IQ here not you.
You only played the best you could and didn't make a mistake. You shooting Stellaria is NAI. You lying and scumpainting me is MAFIA INDICATIVE
[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987114]I’m voting you unless you you agree ti be jailkept and Ikarus commits to jking you. I’m voting you or skip because I think it’s you. I’m not voting anyone else.[/QUOTE]
As I said, I will never accept Solve 3 which is Voting me out today if have read my post.
I would prefer we go with Solve 1 and I can go with Solve 2 if that is what town decides. I don't get to decide what majority wants. I am only trying to help and increase our chances of winning. Solve 1 requires ikarus to Jail a slot for greencheck/end game by jailing his top SR besides me. Solve 2 requires jailing me for a slower game which benefits Mafia but we still get another gun.
Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39
I’m voting you unless you you agree ti be jailkept and Ikarus commits to jking you. I’m voting you or skip because I think it’s you. I’m not voting anyone else.
As I said, I will never accept Solve 3 which is Voting me out today if have read my post.
I would prefer we go with Solve 1 and I can go with Solve 2 if that is what town decides. I don't get to decide what majority wants. I am only trying to help and increase our chances of winning. Solve 1 requires ikarus to Jail a slot for greencheck/end game by jailing his top SR besides me. Solve 2 requires jailing me for a slower game which benefits Mafia but we still get another gun.
We can just lynch yoshida here if we are all certain.
But I believe the safer and more methodical approach would be to lynch a slot between Z and V (preferrably Z) and I can jail Yoshida (I'd prefer this over NOT jailing yoshida in case we have a random shooting shenanigans tomorrow). Unless you guys think yoshida might actually be town therefore I should jail someone else.
If I jail shida and
A kill goes through, this means yoshida is 100% town.
A kill does not go through this means yoshida is 100% scum.
If I jail another person, a gun is given and
A kill goes through, this means yoshida could be scum, and the gun can be used to kill this slot during day.
A kill does not go through, this means the person I jailed is scum.
You know what? Fuck it. Lets give yoshida his play. We lynch someone here (still have more than 36 hours to decide), I jail someone else, yoshida gives a gun and that gun is only used to kill yoshida. If the gun target dies, yoshida is immediately yeeted.
Since I am an alignment cop rather than protection rn, I suspect I will die next, unless yoshida dies so I should leave my legacy here soon.[/QUOTE]
I am so glad someone finally sees this. I have given my defense but I have also provided a solve coming to this day. People wanting me out are either citizens pooping their pants or mafia pooping their pant.
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
Anyway
We can just lynch yoshida here if we are all certain.
But I believe the safer and more methodical approach would be to lynch a slot between Z and V (preferrably Z) and I can jail Yoshida (I'd prefer this over NOT jailing yoshida in case we have a random shooting shenanigans tomorrow). Unless you guys think yoshida might actually be town therefore I should jail someone else.
If I jail shida and
A kill goes through, this means yoshida is 100% town.
A kill does not go through this means yoshida is 100% scum.
If I jail another person, a gun is given and
A kill goes through, this means yoshida could be scum, and the gun can be used to kill this slot during day.
A kill does not go through, this means the person I jailed is scum.
You know what? Fuck it. Lets give yoshida his play. We lynch someone here (still have more than 36 hours to decide), I jail someone else, yoshida gives a gun and that gun is only used to kill yoshida. If the gun target dies, yoshida is immediately yeeted.
Since I am an alignment cop rather than protection rn, I suspect I will die next, unless yoshida dies so I should leave my legacy here soon.
I am so glad someone finally sees this. I have given my defense but I have also provided a solve coming to this day. People wanting me out are either citizens pooping their pants or mafia pooping their pant.
Then we decide on shooting between Yoshida/Martin:
if we shoot Martin tomorrow and he flips green, town will have 2 choices:
1. Vote out t!Yoshida and enter 2v1 with 66% off t!Ren NK.
2. Skip vote and let Yoshida give a gun at night. This will force mafia to decide between killing t!Ren and t!Yoshida.
D7 (if we skip vote on D6)
If t!Yoshida lives and manages to give a gun to the another town(odds are 66% at this point) then we get another day for Nancy/Zenon/Martin to shoot.
Town or Mafia will have 3 choices at this point:
Shoot Yoshida and vote from Nancy/Zenon/Martin.
Shoot another town and try to vote from the remaining pool.
Shoot mafia.
If I die on N6 and T!Ren makes it to D7 then you will still have 66% to win the game as he needs to pick from Martin/Nancy/Zenon as a greenchecked slot.
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Back to D6
if we don't shoot Martin tomorrow but shoot t!Yoshida instead:
T!Ren will be NK and town will enter LyLo and have to vote out one from Martin/Nancy/Zenon. 66%
[B]Solve 2:[/B] [COLOR="#FFFF00"]66% chance of town victory[/COLOR]
Vote Varcron today
Jail Yoshida tonight.
If a NK happens, Yoshida gets a greencheck.
We decide on voting from Ren/Nancy/Martin/Zenon. What that leads to:
1. Town can skip one day to get a smaller pool the next day with 3 players remaining.
2. Town can try to eliminate mafia on 25% odds instead of 33%.
If we eliminate a town, we enter the ChLo (Choose correct or Lose) stage. I will have to choose town or we lose at night. If I get killed, remaining players will be Nancy, Martin, Zenon and they will play the final day without guns, greenchecks and PRs. If I choose a town then they can shoot me or someone else. If the gun victim is town, we still get a 2v1 to vote from.
If I am alive but town with a gun is dead:
1. We can skip one more day to get a smaller pool and another ChLo at night.
2. Town can try to eliminate mafia on 33% odds.
If both me and the person with gun is alive they shoot one town and the game goes to ChLo.
[B]Solve 3:[/B] [COLOR="#A52A2A"][COLOR="#8B4513"]maximum 66% chance of town victory[/COLOR][/COLOR]
We lynch Yoshida today, see he is town and jail Ren. Have T!Ren with Nancy, Martin, Zen, Varcron alive tomorrow.
If town votes out another town on D6/tomorrow then Ren will die N6 and we get to D7 with Nancy/Martin/Zen/Varcron alive. They can vote to skip to get a 66% at this point or try a 25% vote.
But why should we go for Solve 3 or even 2 if in the end we don't get any advantages over Solve 1??
As you can see, all solves lead to the same thing with Nancy/Zenon living till the final day. I also understand people don't trust me because of my role. I take that and will leave it to you guys as long as we follow one of the solve 1 or even solve 2 I presented. I refuse to be the lynch today as presented in Solve 3 which is what mafia would want the most.
Based on this, it only makes sense to me that we get 1 more elim today and a gun tonight before voting me out.
martin
ren
ika
nancy
varcron
zenon
yoshida
6 town - 1 mafia
2 PR's
Here are all the possible paths we can take as town.
Solve 1: minimum 66% chance of town victory
We vote out Varcron/Renegade today(D5) on the basis that they are my top SR.
Vote Varcron today
Jail Renegade tonight
If a NK happens, Renegade will get a greencheck.
Then we decide on shooting between Yoshida/Martin:
if we shoot Martin tomorrow and he flips green, town will have 2 choices:
1. Vote out t!Yoshida and enter 2v1 with 66% off t!Ren NK.
2. Skip vote and let Yoshida give a gun at night. This will force mafia to decide between killing t!Ren and t!Yoshida.
D7 (if we skip vote on D6)
If t!Yoshida lives and manages to give a gun to the another town(odds are 66% at this point) then we get another day for Nancy/Zenon/Martin to shoot.
Town or Mafia will have 3 choices at this point:
Shoot Yoshida and vote from Nancy/Zenon/Martin.
Shoot another town and try to vote from the remaining pool.
Shoot mafia.
If I die on N6 and T!Ren makes it to D7 then you will still have 66% to win the game as he needs to pick from Martin/Nancy/Zenon as a greenchecked slot.
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Back to D6
if we don't shoot Martin tomorrow but shoot t!Yoshida instead:
T!Ren will be NK and town will enter LyLo and have to vote out one from Martin/Nancy/Zenon. 66%
Solve 2: 66% chance of town victory
Vote Varcron today
Jail Yoshida tonight.
If a NK happens, Yoshida gets a greencheck.
We decide on voting from Ren/Nancy/Martin/Zenon. What that leads to:
1. Town can skip one day to get a smaller pool the next day with 3 players remaining.
2. Town can try to eliminate mafia on 25% odds instead of 33%.
If we eliminate a town, we enter the ChLo (Choose correct or Lose) stage. I will have to choose town or we lose at night. If I get killed, remaining players will be Nancy, Martin, Zenon and they will play the final day without guns, greenchecks and PRs. If I choose a town then they can shoot me or someone else. If the gun victim is town, we still get a 2v1 to vote from.
If I am alive but town with a gun is dead:
1. We can skip one more day to get a smaller pool and another ChLo at night.
2. Town can try to eliminate mafia on 33% odds.
If both me and the person with gun is alive they shoot one town and the game goes to ChLo.
Solve 3: maximum 66% chance of town victory
We lynch Yoshida today, see he is town and jail Ren. Have T!Ren with Nancy, Martin, Zen, Varcron alive tomorrow.
If town votes out another town on D6/tomorrow then Ren will die N6 and we get to D7 with Nancy/Martin/Zen/Varcron alive. They can vote to skip to get a 66% at this point or try a 25% vote.
But why should we go for Solve 3 or even 2 if in the end we don't get any advantages over Solve 1??
As you can see, all solves lead to the same thing with Nancy/Zenon living till the final day. I also understand people don't trust me because of my role. I take that and will leave it to you guys as long as we follow one of the solve 1 or even solve 2 I presented. I refuse to be the lynch today as presented in Solve 3 which is what mafia would want the most.
Based on this, it only makes sense to me that we get 1 more elim today and a gun tonight before voting me out.
hello my name is nancy and i can't let go off my opinion because changing my opinion based off of more evidence on new information means i am stupid and hypocritical and i can never change my opinion about anything
hello my name is nancy and i can't let go off my opinion because changing my opinion based off of more evidence on new information means i am stupid and hypocritical and i can never change my opinion about anything
I know I am town and I was a big part of town's success this game. without me, we wouldn't have been here today. I actually find it very disrespectful from people like Nancy to think I am mafia GS here. I have a very high winrate as Mafia (excluding sub-ins) and around a very bad 53% WR as town. If I were a mafia GS this game, there would be NO REASON for either Stellaria or Frinckles to play the way they did. We could simply collect all the guns and shoot people = EZ win.
Every day, I am facing fallacies coming from Mafia narrative and townspeople falling for it~~ Here I am standing still and I will do my best to make sure every town understands why voting me out today will greatly increase the chance of Mafia winning this game.
[B]D1 (role vote day)[/B]
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[*]I have successfully obtained a kill(GS) PR by convincing the CE- after seeing the Bomber exchange between Frinckles and Stellaria.
[*]I have opposed Caroler and suggested Oracle to be the safest check for us. Frinckles tricked everyone into Caroler while convincing CE for bomber.
[*]Anyone town please go back to my D1 posts, you can never find anything wrong with it. I have called Frinckles out start of D3 because his reasoning on the Jester vote EOD2 was wolfy and this is what me and Italiano pointed out on D1 and D2 if you look at my ISO.
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[B]D2[/B]
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[*]I have explained why Jester's existence is harmful for town since Mafia can act like Jester as long as they are alive and only Italiano saw my point in this as a fellow Jester expert.
[*]My play so far successfully got potential Jester's out of hiding with both Renegade and Auwt voting me. Frinckles posted a fallacy about me being a jester in order to justify their vote first. Then they switched to Gikkle after Martin jumped off my wagon.
[*]Mafia did not want to vote the jester. Town did. So I decided to TR Ren, ikarus, Italiano and Nancy coming into N2. I decided I would give my gun to someone between ren and ika. I coin flipped twice and Ika won that but I had a strong feeling ikarus and lolde rolled PR because of the RTI I had with them during D2. SO I decided to give the gun to Ren.
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[B]D3[/B]
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[*]Coming into D3 I made sure to let Ren know I gave him a gun by using italics. I am not sure if him or anyone else caught that. I pinged both Ren and Ika and said I am putting them on top of my TR.
[*]I also called out Frinckles' fallacy for still calling me a jester RP.
[*]Then everyone started giving their opinions. Gikkle revealed a carol. I don't know if they really received one and even if they did then i wasn't sure if the names were true. All I trusted was Renegade and the gun I gave him.
[*]Frinckles cc'd. Frinckles have done this in the past. He likes to FPS when his team is alive. He also picked Ikarus for Carol after Ika hinted Jailer. I even quote his post to point out why he can be mafia due to setup balance. His reasoning to pick ikarus was a try hard attempt to townslip. I didn't like it so I urged Ren to shoot.
[*]I realized from the way Gikkle reacted and knowing my role + existence of possible caroler + Auwt's gifted role I started thinking about a possible bomber role in the mix. This is when I told Ren to not shoot Frinckles. Because if the theory was true, CE pretty much handed out roles based on what people requested besides the optimal town role suggestions.
[*]What that meant to me: Frinckles possibe Caroler/Bomber - Stellaria possible Bomber - Gikkle possible Marshall.
[*]If that is the case and I handed out the gun to the mafia Ren by accident, he would obviously never shoot Frinckles. So I left my vote on Frinckles knowing Ren would shoot Gikkle 100%.
[*]Ren shoots Gikkle, calls it a fabricator gun. I press the issue and turns out I was right on my vest theory, so we caught CE in a gambit. People pile up on Gikkle after this. We yeet him before mafia kills him at night.
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[B]D4[/B]
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[*]I was planning to give a gun to Nancy but I was jailed. This pissed me off and I was rude to the jailer. We could have used the gun yesterday but I understand it was also safer without one when there is a bomber so I can't blame him here. I realized I am at fault for pressing the issue so I stopped caring about things.
[*]I proposed and thanks to Martins call, we agreed to give me a night so I could give a gun to solve the Varcron/Zenon/Stellaria carol if Frinckles flipped non-caroler maf.
[*]Jailer agreed to jail Stellaria which I took it as WIFOM. I did not mention who would I give the gun because I wanted mafia to make a decision between me/ika/lolde.
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[B]D5[/B]
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[*]Coming to D5, I realized if I were to give a gun to my least SR/top TR in the carol after Frinckles bomber flip, I believed we could shoot one and eliminate the other. I exptected Zenon to shoot Stellaria here regardless of alignment on the basis of carol but also they seemed to be the only one out of three reading the game. If Zenon shot me or some other town outside of Carol, that would have been their end.
[*]It only made sense to divide the remaining players the way I presented to you guys earlier. It was the carol group vs the rest. Once again, my decision led to another scums downfall. Let this game be known forever that a town GS is legit in the right hands.
[*]I also understood that I don't have much time due to the nature of my role- town would have to make a decision if they want to let me do the LyLo at night or town wants to eliminate me earlier and play LyLo at day 2vs1. I do explain this situation but I am faced with a goofy Varcron vote, Nancy and Ren playing against town wincon by pushing a premature PR lynch.
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I will present all the possible solves on my next post if no one wants to take the lead. I would really appreciate it if more people other than ikarus started thinking about what to do this game. Ren gave a poe but thats it. Can't expect more from good old Ren. My gun's worth is more than me getting jailed or eliminated today/tonight. You guys need to start seeing that.
martin
ren
ika
nancy
varcron
zenon
yoshida
6 town - 1 mafia
2 PR's
I know I am town and I was a big part of town's success this game. without me, we wouldn't have been here today. I actually find it very disrespectful from people like Nancy to think I am mafia GS here. I have a very high winrate as Mafia (excluding sub-ins) and around a very bad 53% WR as town. If I were a mafia GS this game, there would be NO REASON for either Stellaria or Frinckles to play the way they did. We could simply collect all the guns and shoot people = EZ win.
Every day, I am facing fallacies coming from Mafia narrative and townspeople falling for it~~ Here I am standing still and I will do my best to make sure every town understands why voting me out today will greatly increase the chance of Mafia winning this game.
D1 (role vote day)
I have successfully obtained a kill(GS) PR by convincing the CE- after seeing the Bomber exchange between Frinckles and Stellaria.
I have opposed Caroler and suggested Oracle to be the safest check for us. Frinckles tricked everyone into Caroler while convincing CE for bomber.
Anyone town please go back to my D1 posts, you can never find anything wrong with it. I have called Frinckles out start of D3 because his reasoning on the Jester vote EOD2 was wolfy and this is what me and Italiano pointed out on D1 and D2 if you look at my ISO.
D2
I have explained why Jester's existence is harmful for town since Mafia can act like Jester as long as they are alive and only Italiano saw my point in this as a fellow Jester expert.
My play so far successfully got potential Jester's out of hiding with both Renegade and Auwt voting me. Frinckles posted a fallacy about me being a jester in order to justify their vote first. Then they switched to Gikkle after Martin jumped off my wagon.
Mafia did not want to vote the jester. Town did. So I decided to TR Ren, ikarus, Italiano and Nancy coming into N2. I decided I would give my gun to someone between ren and ika. I coin flipped twice and Ika won that but I had a strong feeling ikarus and lolde rolled PR because of the RTI I had with them during D2. SO I decided to give the gun to Ren.
D3
Coming into D3 I made sure to let Ren know I gave him a gun by using italics. I am not sure if him or anyone else caught that. I pinged both Ren and Ika and said I am putting them on top of my TR.
I also called out Frinckles' fallacy for still calling me a jester RP.
Then everyone started giving their opinions. Gikkle revealed a carol. I don't know if they really received one and even if they did then i wasn't sure if the names were true. All I trusted was Renegade and the gun I gave him.
Frinckles cc'd. Frinckles have done this in the past. He likes to FPS when his team is alive. He also picked Ikarus for Carol after Ika hinted Jailer. I even quote his post to point out why he can be mafia due to setup balance. His reasoning to pick ikarus was a try hard attempt to townslip. I didn't like it so I urged Ren to shoot.
I realized from the way Gikkle reacted and knowing my role + existence of possible caroler + Auwt's gifted role I started thinking about a possible bomber role in the mix. This is when I told Ren to not shoot Frinckles. Because if the theory was true, CE pretty much handed out roles based on what people requested besides the optimal town role suggestions.
What that meant to me: Frinckles possibe Caroler/Bomber - Stellaria possible Bomber - Gikkle possible Marshall.
If that is the case and I handed out the gun to the mafia Ren by accident, he would obviously never shoot Frinckles. So I left my vote on Frinckles knowing Ren would shoot Gikkle 100%.
Ren shoots Gikkle, calls it a fabricator gun. I press the issue and turns out I was right on my vest theory, so we caught CE in a gambit. People pile up on Gikkle after this. We yeet him before mafia kills him at night.
D4
I was planning to give a gun to Nancy but I was jailed. This pissed me off and I was rude to the jailer. We could have used the gun yesterday but I understand it was also safer without one when there is a bomber so I can't blame him here. I realized I am at fault for pressing the issue so I stopped caring about things.
I proposed and thanks to Martins call, we agreed to give me a night so I could give a gun to solve the Varcron/Zenon/Stellaria carol if Frinckles flipped non-caroler maf.
Jailer agreed to jail Stellaria which I took it as WIFOM. I did not mention who would I give the gun because I wanted mafia to make a decision between me/ika/lolde.
D5
Coming to D5, I realized if I were to give a gun to my least SR/top TR in the carol after Frinckles bomber flip, I believed we could shoot one and eliminate the other. I exptected Zenon to shoot Stellaria here regardless of alignment on the basis of carol but also they seemed to be the only one out of three reading the game. If Zenon shot me or some other town outside of Carol, that would have been their end.
It only made sense to divide the remaining players the way I presented to you guys earlier. It was the carol group vs the rest. Once again, my decision led to another scums downfall. Let this game be known forever that a town GS is legit in the right hands.
I also understood that I don't have much time due to the nature of my role- town would have to make a decision if they want to let me do the LyLo at night or town wants to eliminate me earlier and play LyLo at day 2vs1. I do explain this situation but I am faced with a goofy Varcron vote, Nancy and Ren playing against town wincon by pushing a premature PR lynch.
I will present all the possible solves on my next post if no one wants to take the lead. I would really appreciate it if more people other than ikarus started thinking about what to do this game. Ren gave a poe but thats it. Can't expect more from good old Ren. My gun's worth is more than me getting jailed or eliminated today/tonight. You guys need to start seeing that.
I just came to this day with a solve and a wifom that could have pushed s!zenon to a mistake. t!zenon sounded the most reasonable to me yesterday and that is why I gave them a gun. I mean, I noticed Zenon's difference compared to Varcron/Stellaria and trusted them. Zenon noticed Stellaria is the right kill and not me/varcron. That is the correct play either alignment which makes this game very difficult now for us. However, I would rather be alive together with Zenon to a mylo than some others here based on what I had from them yesterday and today. I would rather proceed with trusting you and Zenon today based on what's potentially next tonight. You two will also help big time solving this game. One of you will jail, other will receive a gun.
TLDR Varcron is the correct elimination today FMPOV.
I can explain my solve and also explain all the other potential ways for us to win this game in a separate post. But first, I want to give it one more try to explain my POV to other shittizens that are so stuck up with their worlds.
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
then who do you suggest.
Do you have a case?
I just came to this day with a solve and a wifom that could have pushed s!zenon to a mistake. t!zenon sounded the most reasonable to me yesterday and that is why I gave them a gun. I mean, I noticed Zenon's difference compared to Varcron/Stellaria and trusted them. Zenon noticed Stellaria is the right kill and not me/varcron. That is the correct play either alignment which makes this game very difficult now for us. However, I would rather be alive together with Zenon to a mylo than some others here based on what I had from them yesterday and today. I would rather proceed with trusting you and Zenon today based on what's potentially next tonight. You two will also help big time solving this game. One of you will jail, other will receive a gun.
TLDR Varcron is the correct elimination today FMPOV.
I can explain my solve and also explain all the other potential ways for us to win this game in a separate post. But first, I want to give it one more try to explain my POV to other shittizens that are so stuck up with their worlds.
[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987067]You were so eager to die yesterday, you even self-voted.[/QUOTE]
Yes because I believe we can solve the game today and I am going to play diablo 4 tomorrow. I already asked host to sub me out but there are no subs. I said okay I will play and been playing all this time.
Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39
You were so eager to die yesterday, you even self-voted.
Yes because I believe we can solve the game today and I am going to play diablo 4 tomorrow. I already asked host to sub me out but there are no subs. I said okay I will play and been playing all this time.
[QUOTE=Renegade;987065]Not if you are going to hand out guns randomly hoping town shoots town.[/QUOTE]
the gun for tomorrow is to shoot me to avoid a gun falling into mafia's hand on mylo the day after. I know you are good at math. you need to see this with me.
We vote out one slot today based on reads.
We jail another slot tonight. We get a gun tomorrow. If mafia gets jailed, we win. If town gets jailed, that town member can bring their jail chat. If mafia shoots me, we got jailed person a green check.
Even ikarus is not 100% clear just like me but I don't see any of you going after him. We are the PR's and you guys need to make the best use out of us as TOWN. Stop throwing the game by voting out your PRs when there is only 1 mafia left
Originally Posted by Renegade
Not if you are going to hand out guns randomly hoping town shoots town.
the gun for tomorrow is to shoot me to avoid a gun falling into mafia's hand on mylo the day after. I know you are good at math. you need to see this with me.
We vote out one slot today based on reads.
We jail another slot tonight. We get a gun tomorrow. If mafia gets jailed, we win. If town gets jailed, that town member can bring their jail chat. If mafia shoots me, we got jailed person a green check.
Even ikarus is not 100% clear just like me but I don't see any of you going after him. We are the PR's and you guys need to make the best use out of us as TOWN. Stop throwing the game by voting out your PRs when there is only 1 mafia left
[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987053]If there’s a universe where you flip town, I’ll seriously reconsider everything you’ve said. I just seriously doubt that you will.[/QUOTE]
It is always better to let me live and hand out a gun tomorrow because we can afford it.
stop ignoring my solve from last page
Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39
If there’s a universe where you flip town, I’ll seriously reconsider everything you’ve said. I just seriously doubt that you will.
It is always better to let me live and hand out a gun tomorrow because we can afford it.
[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987046]Yoshida is trying to convince us that a scum pr cannot perform the factional kill when the rules say that is false.[/QUOTE]
it is really bad knowing I am town but ikarus can jail me tonight if you are gonna be so stuck up like this. Town benefits more if we eliminate another slot today instead of me.
Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39
Yoshida is trying to convince us that a scum pr cannot perform the factional kill when the rules say that is false.
it is really bad knowing I am town but ikarus can jail me tonight if you are gonna be so stuck up like this. Town benefits more if we eliminate another slot today instead of me.
[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987042][COLOR=#FF0000][I]Vanilla Mafia[/I][/COLOR][I] - You share day and night chat with your fellow members of the Mafia. Mafia are forced to choose to send 1 person to perform a Factional Night Kill each night starting Night 2. You may receive an additional rolecard from Chaotic Executioner on start of Day 2, this will not affect your alignment or win condition. [B]You may perform your new rolecard and be sent to perform the factional kill at same night.[/B][/I][/QUOTE]
okay i am not even sure if that works when two mafia members are alive. That part sounds like if you are the only mafia member remaining alive or something. either way, If I were mafia I would have surrendered. I am not. There is one mafia left and we better jail me tonight if you think I am mafia from all of this.
or you can start looking at the other slots.
Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39
Vanilla Mafia - You share day and night chat with your fellow members of the Mafia. Mafia are forced to choose to send 1 person to perform a Factional Night Kill each night starting Night 2. You may receive an additional rolecard from Chaotic Executioner on start of Day 2, this will not affect your alignment or win condition. You may perform your new rolecard and be sent to perform the factional kill at same night.
okay i am not even sure if that works when two mafia members are alive. That part sounds like if you are the only mafia member remaining alive or something. either way, If I were mafia I would have surrendered. I am not. There is one mafia left and we better jail me tonight if you think I am mafia from all of this.
[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987035]If the game doesn’t end with your flip. I’ll reconsider but I feel pretty confident it will.[/QUOTE]
yeah read and think:
[QUOTE=yoshida;987033]I take that you didn't read the setup and/or bad at math.
I am 100% spewed from this shot. Existence of a gun + 2 mafia death = i am mech clear. I don't know why do you refuse to believe it but here is what it is.[/QUOTE]
Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39
If the game doesn’t end with your flip. I’ll reconsider but I feel pretty confident it will.
yeah read and think:
Originally Posted by yoshida
I take that you didn't read the setup and/or bad at math.
I am 100% spewed from this shot. Existence of a gun + 2 mafia death = i am mech clear. I don't know why do you refuse to believe it but here is what it is.
[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987028]I think you gave the gun to Zenon trying to set her up. And it spectacularly failed.[/QUOTE]
I take that you didn't read the setup and/or bad at math.
I am 100% spewed from this shot. Existence of a gun + 2 mafia death = i am mech clear. I don't know why do you refuse to believe it but here is what it is.
Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39
I think you gave the gun to Zenon trying to set her up. And it spectacularly failed.
I take that you didn't read the setup and/or bad at math.
I am 100% spewed from this shot. Existence of a gun + 2 mafia death = i am mech clear. I don't know why do you refuse to believe it but here is what it is.
Zenon/Varcron Ren/Martin and Nancy slots are unsolved. I think Nancy is town here after all of this. She just needs to take a break and start reading the game mechanically.
We need to decide which slot we solve today and tomorrow by jailing and with a potential gun tomorrow.
Me and Ikarus are solved and dying tonight.
Zenon/Varcron Ren/Martin and Nancy slots are unsolved. I think Nancy is town here after all of this. She just needs to take a break and start reading the game mechanically.
We need to decide which slot we solve today and tomorrow by jailing and with a potential gun tomorrow.
[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987018]I’m not buying into Yoshida wifom.[/QUOTE]
Take a few minutes, let's calm down and read into my plan.
I think you have great chance to be town coming out of this.
Mafia will have to decide between killing you, me and ikarus. We are going to box the final mafia between ren/martin and I do have a strong feeling it is Ren. We can still look into that tomorrow. We have maj tomorrow and a potential gun. if we get both tomorrow TOWN WINS
Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39
I’m not buying into Yoshida wifom.
Take a few minutes, let's calm down and read into my plan.
I think you have great chance to be town coming out of this.
Mafia will have to decide between killing you, me and ikarus. We are going to box the final mafia between ren/martin and I do have a strong feeling it is Ren. We can still look into that tomorrow. We have maj tomorrow and a potential gun. if we get both tomorrow TOWN WINS
[QUOTE=yoshida;987004]You can keep jailing stella. we vote/shoot from varcron/zenon. if a NK happens after we eliminate the scum from varcron/zenon we will 100% know stellaria, me and Ikarus will be TOWN coming to tomorrow
thats 3 slots solved = one of us is dying tonight = 2 clear slots vs 4 unclear slots coming to tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
wait thats wrong.
if we keep jailing stella and eliminate zenon/varcron we wont have NK tonight if stellaria is maf. we shoot her and she flips town? you will vote me out tomorrow then.
Originally Posted by yoshida
You can keep jailing stella. we vote/shoot from varcron/zenon. if a NK happens after we eliminate the scum from varcron/zenon we will 100% know stellaria, me and Ikarus will be TOWN coming to tomorrow
thats 3 slots solved = one of us is dying tonight = 2 clear slots vs 4 unclear slots coming to tomorrow.
wait thats wrong.
if we keep jailing stella and eliminate zenon/varcron we wont have NK tonight if stellaria is maf. we shoot her and she flips town? you will vote me out tomorrow then.
You can keep jailing stella. we vote/shoot from varcron/zenon. if a NK happens after we eliminate the scum from varcron/zenon we will 100% know stellaria, me and Ikarus will be TOWN coming to tomorrow
thats 3 slots solved = one of us is dying tonight = 2 clear slots vs 4 unclear slots coming to tomorrow.
You can keep jailing stella. we vote/shoot from varcron/zenon. if a NK happens after we eliminate the scum from varcron/zenon we will 100% know stellaria, me and Ikarus will be TOWN coming to tomorrow
thats 3 slots solved = one of us is dying tonight = 2 clear slots vs 4 unclear slots coming to tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by ikarusdk
