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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    -vote loldebite
    no point in delaying

    scum!loldebite knows to keep me alive or else it would be suspicious so he's playing at how reasonable it would be for me to still be alive. there is a 1% chance renegade told MM to bus him the entire game which would essentially be the laziest and funniest scum strategy ive ever seen. might be true but i dont buy it because there were other interactions from MM that don't lend themselves to that conclusion. if im wrong, my bad fellas.

    also this is technically 16 i think so ill stop typing.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    this dude really just turned on invisible mode i bet
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    i already made up my mind that it's loldebite anyway.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    No u, invisible mode user. What is the benefit of casting a vote right now lol
    to clear me so i dont have to read bullshit from either of you
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    @Marshmallow Marshall i see you lurking, vote.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    And you can use the @ with their name as long as you spell it right.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    I just want you two to vote eachother so I can hammer the person I think is Mafia.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Do they get paid leave?
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    @deathworlds is mafia able to communicate 24/7
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    You guys can cross.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Day will be extended three hours to compensate for time that thread was closed
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Smh clearly Frinckles is scum for closing the thread

    -vote Frinckles


    I'll be voting Renegade in a few hours.
    Oh shit did I accidently close it? I don't even press anything near that checkbox. Weird.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    No, I think clearing martin is fine. I do think he is giving you an easy pass, tho. I feel like you're not careless like you usually are and I feel bad about it. Maybe I expect too much of you, though.
    As I said, I think renegade can be scum, but who could renegade be paired with ? You've said it yourself : if he is scum with MM, that's the bus of the year. He can't be scum with martin because and also I really don't want martin to be scum and him being paired with you makes even less sense than a Ren/MM pairing IMO.
    Moreover, he feels very much like he was the last game I've played with them, whereas you don't.

    It seems we do agree, Renegade being scum makes the most sense if I am scumm too, and here I do have more information : I'm not scum, so it can't be me.
    Not sure that world building F3 is a good idea.

    EDIT: interupted this post because I saw votes. whoever voted first is outed scum IMHO
    I'm not being careless in a F5 after basically getting Ozy lynched, an AFK slot and no power role, so that makes me scum here?

    Renegade is paired with you as far as I'm concerned. It's the only pairing that makes sense here and I will hopefully not be alive to have to deal with F3 anyway.

    Now you can tell me all you'd like about how you know you're town, but this is F5 and I can tell you something as someone with an actual vote on them; if me and Renegade were TvT, this game would be over by now. Enough time to hammer both of us has passed and you three aren't known for slow rolling.
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    Ugh I shouldn't have said that. Now scum!MM would have an out to win in F3. Fuck me.

    -vote renegade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I'm waiting to see what MM has to say, but at this juncture I am ready to vote Frinckles or Martin. Preferably Frinckles.
    MM choosing not to vote you at this stage in the game would basically be a gigantic neon sign saying "I AM SCUM AND IT WAS ALL A BUS."

    I would keep that in mind @Loldebite
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    No mischaracterization but I do feel like the timeline in here isn't entirely honest ; 1, 2 & 3 all happened at once. 4 was true from D2 onwards, because at the time (cf the readslist below, straight out of my git history. This was right at SoD, I kinda dropped the tripartite thunderdome thingy as the day went on) I had most people at null and thus was fine with any one of those being the lynch.
    Spoiler : readslist after flip + n1 kill :
    # Confident town

    Norwee

    # Probable Town

    Mizery
    Frinckles

    # Null

    Renegade
    Marshmallow Marshall
    OzyWho
    MartinGG99

    # CONFIRMED 100% trust me scum

    At least one of [Frinckles, Mizery, Martin]
    EoD train was far too fishy, there has to be at least one scum in it, and I know I'm not.
    Might even be 2 with one of [Frinckles, Mizery] protecting Martin.

    I started TRing renegade after D4.

    Renegade not answering my questions is exactly what I've learned to expect from renegade, hence the comment you mention in #2.

    My fixation on which slots ?
    Here's a compilation of everyone mentioned in your handpicked extracts :
    Martin 5
    Ren 3
    MM 4
    Frinckles 6
    Mizery 3
    oliverz 1
    SB 2

    The # of mentions more or less scale with # of games played with one another, the mayor exception being Martin because of my D2 push, which is exactly how I'd expect things to be.

    All that being said, I very much agree with your conclusion : this game was pushed in this direction for a very specific reason. I expected you to die instead of Mizery, but that's probably because i know you more than Mizery, and thus expect scum to fear you more than they fear Mizery.
    EDIT: Now that I think about it, it makes sense that Mizery died considering they had experience with low post count games.

    I think you're pushing me because I'm the easiest target, both because I already have been under pressure D2 and because I've been mediocre these past days.

    You told me about trusting the dead, and it's the second time someone dies after looking sideways at MM :



    Spoiler : varcron's post on MM :




    BONUS ROUND :

    How does this look in retrospect ? "haha joking frink not conftown yet FMPOV"



    I now feel confident the scum duo is MM & Frinckles, I'm terribly sorry if I'm wrong but I really don't see frinckles being town here. Martin convinced me & I currently TR renegade above MM.

    I had planned to post that in some form or another much, much earlier but I had the busiest & shittiest day I've had in many months. If you wanna react, feel free ; I won't go to sleep just now, but I won't stay up for 2 hours.
    I'm not pushing you because you're an easy target. On the contrary, I've wanted you to be town this entire game and I guess you still could be but fmpov there are 2 scum in a pool of 3 people.

    Do you think I'm clearing Martin from my PoE too easily? Is he clearing me too easily?
    Why isn't Renegade scum here from your point of view?
    How can I see MM and Renegade on a team when MM pushed him the entire time?

    These are the questions that I had to ask myself to get where I am now. If I can't reconcile the pushes from MM on Renegade with the explanation that it was at minimum, an insane bus, then the conclusion is Renegade+Loldebite 2/2.

    You both fired back responses putting me on a scumteam with MM and I anticipate it's designed for when Renegade flips red at EoD so Loldebite has something to take into F3. He would be able to push the bus theory freely and at that point it will be me or Martin making a tough choice for the win, or loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I think you and Martin are just coming right out and saying you are scum, and trying to get a single vote from Loldebite or MM. MM has been all over me all game so I'm not surprised they are alive and part of your plan. Martin if you are town then this is exactly what Frinckles has aimed for. Your vote. But I am extremely doubtful. I find it hard to believe two players would be so confident about themselves both being town in a F5 3v2 situation.




    Yes, I have been gunning for you all game. I'm so sure of it, and if you lynch me well the game is over. We have to lynch scum today, and this wall of scum paint sadly enough may convince one of the two other towns.

    Frinckles + MM world is absolutely reasonable. That is why if Martin IS town, he is making a huge mistake by putting all his chips in the Frinckles basket. Again I don't see why Martin couldn't fathom a Scum!Frinckles world, and that is what has me extremely concerned.

    This early aloofness - late heavy scumpaint is exactly how you played the last game you were scum in. You were a cop if I recall. What game was that?
    Everyone in this game knows lynching town!Renegade would be the end of it but you're not town. And I'm not really sure why you are appealing to Martin here after you wanted him gone just as much as you wanted me gone. Its not concerning -- its literally the expected result. And really, a town renegade would be wondering why MM didnt fuck off this entire game. If the scum team is Martin+MM then shit that sucks but I highly doubt it. I've ISO'd all four of you to hell and back and made the best conclusion I think I can given the post restrictions.

    As far as that last bit, I'm not sure what you're saying and I'm going to assume you mistyped because you said I was cop and scum. Or maybe you mean I was some Mafia cop? I'm not sure.


    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Frankly, the simple VCA points right at you and Martin.

    Pigeonhole principle tells me AT LEAST one of MM, Frinckles, or Martin is scum based on the Ozy lynch:

    OzyWho (4 [L-1]):
    Marshmallow Marshall, MartinGG99, Renegade, Frinckles

    I'm taking Occam's razor to this one. I'm done with the big brain plays of Sc2mafia and sometimes the simplest solution is the most obvious. Simplest here is that scum was on both trains. Martin and Frinckles.
    I admit VCA makes me look bad but I already said I didn't intend to hold my vote on Ozy and I was like the first one to apologize for that. If he had been alive, I could possibly have Mizery or Ozy as another slot to not have to worry about. In essence I made the game harder on myself even after the Oliver Modkill and lack of a librarian.

    Holding town to the expectation that they will never mislynch will always come from scum or a naive town member, especially in this setup and given the circumstances. If Martin is town, and I believe he is, I have a 66% chance of hitting scum here and those odds aren't bad.
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    I guess VCA makes an argument for ren+MM too. Both were on Ozy, but then that silly line from Loldebite about being down to lynch Ren comes out while he was there for EOD. Eh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I approve of Frinckles' wall and conclusions.

    I figured I would say what I said earlier in case Frinckles was debating on whether or not it was a TvT, by presuming Renegade to be somehow town.

    As for whether its MM or Loldebite to be paired with them, I'm uncertain. However, I do think I'm leaning less on it being MM on the basis that:

    1) If Renegage is scum, then the reason he gave for Norwee being killed is almost certainly the reason Norwee was killed. So the whole "it could've been done for MM's sake" is less relevant.
    2) Arguably, as shown by Frinckles, Loldebite could also have been spinning the wheels.
    3) Varcron

    Anyways, I'll probably dive more into that more tomorrow IRL. I would rather figure out what the post-Ren suspect is with Frinkles still around (if he has anything to say) rather than just waiting for the F3.

    A response from MM about all of this (just in general; whatever thoughts that do occur to him) would be great.
    It's possible for it to be MM over Loldebite, but then somewhere in this world is a discord chat with Renegade saying "bus the ever-living shit out of me and don't stop" or something along those lines.

    That'd be ridiculous, but its certainly possible.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    And truth be told, this day is already over. Martin and I townread eachother, Loldebite said he townread me and MM already said he would vote Renegade (in addition to doing literally everything in his power to kill him anyway.)
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    2/2
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    I'm still in the process of trying to figure out whether Loldebite or MM has more scum equity right now and without that, I don't know how this game ends. What I do know is that this day will end with either me or you lynched because we're to the point where a TvT situation would be completely unrecoverable. I find that last bit particularly freaky because Martin/Loldebite/MM have all said they townread me this game. It's gonna be pretty awkward here in a bit.

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    Anyway, I don't think Loldebite/MM OR Loldebite/Martin OR Martin/MM make sense. I can elaborate if you want.

    So, again the decision before me is whether Renegade is with Loldebite or MM.

    If I had to guess, I'd say the scum team is Renegade/Loldebite here. MM has been pushing the living hell out of Renegade and they'd win my nomination for bus of the year if that's what I'm looking at.

    ISO MM right now and count how many times they either voted Renegade or asked others about how they felt about Renegade or asked if anyone else wanted to kill Renegade or just constantly really wanted to fucking kill Renegade lmao.

    BONUS ROUND

    To get a little more in-depth about the Renegade+Loldebite solve, I have a few more examples but before I do I'll go over a few quick observations that don't really need a whole quote attached to them. Let me know if this feels like a mischaracterization of your posts @Loldebite

    1. Loldebite says he is bad at reading Renegade's slot. (That's okay, I suck at reading MM's slot usually.)
    2. Loldebite has a spurt of being annoyed by Renegade's "Infuriating uncommunicativeness."
    3. Loldebite moves him to a null read.
    4. Loldebite would have been okay with a Renegade lynch.
    5. Loldebite ISOs Ren decides that Renegade is a okay feller who would never hurt a fly.
    6. You are here.

    People change their reads all the time blah blah blah. So where's the actual content or interaction to supplement these changes? I don't see it. Loldebite, you say you ISO'd Renegade but you didn't notice him not answering your question in #173? Why wouldn't you press him on that?

    This last bit is kind of tinfoil hat shit, but I'll run it.

    Remember when I said to Renegade certain people were kept alive for a reason? Well, while I'm bringing up #173, there's another pattern I noticed: Loldebite's fixation on our slots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post

    ===

    I'd love to get more from martin, ren & frinckles.
    Spoiler : reads list :

    # Confident town

    Norwee


    # Probable Town

    Mizery


    # Town feel

    OzyWho
    Renegade
    Frinckles


    # Null

    Marshmallow Marshall


    # scum feel

    MartinGG99


    Bottom four, across the board. There's more:

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    Ren, you seem to be trusting MM or me more than martin, why ?
    And,

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    I don't think frinckles is doing anything special compared to other games I've played with him, and IIRC I've only seen him as town, and since MM is voting ren I guess I could get behind their Martin train, thought I don't really like it.

    Also oliverz isn't afk anymore so imma just
    -vote oliverz144
    for now
    And yeah, obviously #131

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    I would vote to pressure Frinckles because I really wanna hear from him but I don't wanna leave a hanging vote for so long. Also, Frinckles is not (yet) voting me, whereas Martin & Mizery that were on SB's train too, are. If I stand by my hypothesis then it means that either the other town(ies) of the train all genuinely believe I'm scum, which doesn't seem likely, or the scum in SB's train is either Mizery or Martin.

    MM, what are your thoughts on people beside me ?
    Same about mizery, I'm not sure what to make of your norwee/ren/me list. Lynch pool ? Is it up to date ? Why am I on the list and not Frinckles ?

    In case I do die, I want frinckles to have my briefs andMM my white flag. Goodbye
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    I think this game was pushed in this direction for a very specific reason. Loldebite has been the player spinning the wheels and Renegade was putting breadcrumbs on the ground.
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    This is a two part so it's easier for responses. 1/2

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    Martin
    Honestly you ooze so much emotion throughout this game via your rhetoric, the way you type, grammatical shifts etc. You started off the game in a apathetic mood and it is reflected throughout your ISO in your first post and multiple times afterward (hope you feel better afterwards, by the way -- shit happens but that's okay.) When Renegade pushed you to contribute more you explained all this to him directly:

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    There isn't much more to it, its what I have right now with the posts that are available to me.

    I didn't really put my usual amount of focus/effort into this game until now because of the trainwreck that was the game that I hosted, which kinda demotivated me for FM in general, but also this was a low-post game and I don't generally have interest in those. But I feel more interested again and so here I am.

    Preferably I would not like to die, as then I would have no say on what happens later with the town's discussions.
    You also disagreed with Renegade on other things like Ozy being LHF after you had just ended a massive back-and-forth with Ozy; hell at one point you even voted Renegade. There are some things I thought were weird about your slot, like entertaining a no-lynch or possibly pocketing me; but honestly I can't find a scenario where you're scum here. There's a couple reasons for that -- post count, tone, validity of arguments and a few other small things. But one of the biggest things that popped out to me was that not once, but four times you've reminded players to achieve their post counts out of concern of them being mod-killed. There is no reason for scum to mention this and certainly no reason for scum to be so insistent on doing this particularly over an AFK slot like Oliver or Loldebite right before F5.

    Between your pushbacks/votes on Renegade, frustrated interactions with Loldebite, and hyper-awareness of the fact that you and MM didn't interact* (enough to even taunt Ozy) it seems pretty apparent that you're least likely scum here. *side note, you two did interact later on.

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    So, then this is usually the really difficult part where I need to find the last town member and then the F5 tug of war begins.
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    Renegade
    You've been gunning for me and Martin since the game began basically, like non-stop and frankly to the point where you didn't need to even type a post like this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I'm entirely convinced that Frinckles and Martin are the scum pair. I am also suspicious of how the Loldebite train formed and fizzled just as quickly.

    In retrospect voting Ozy was a mistake on my part. But he was acting extremely strange and his vote on me was extremely forced and nitpicky.

    Frinckles & Martin were on BOTH trains.

    Frinckles acts aloof when he is scum based on several games I've played with him. He is much more analytical and to the point when he is town, much more willing to solve the game. His day 1 ALONE is enough to convince me is he scum.

    Frinckles claims his meta is pointless, of course that is what he wants us to think.

    It is extremely obvious to me Martin and Frinckles are scum, at the very least ONE of them, and will do everything I can do convince the rest of you of this if it isn't already obvious to you already.

    As for seeing the Norwee flip, I don't think it is that surprising. I'm not sure anyone ever voted them all game so they had some level of implicit universal town reading.

    That is all for now. Obviously I am in favor of skipping.
    or this

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I've seen Frinckles play with this aloof attitude before as scum. So part of it is on meta. He doesn't strike me as town, and for all the criticism several are lobbing at me, what has frinckles added? Look at his posts today, completely empty. He wastes posts by saying "im not librarian" and then following it up with "i'm not going to fakeclaim librarian". He isn't even trying to be a good steward of the limited ability to speak. I won't apologize for scum reading him for that.
    I don't remember playing scum with you in the game. I barely remember playing scum at all, actually. But if this was my scum-meta I'd certainly have a remarkable one since the entirety of the game has considered me a top townread or was reluctant to vote me despite your incessant pushing. Honestly though, none of this matters because I know well enough that even if you were town there would be zero way for me convince you that I'm town at this point in the game anyway. You didn't earn a townread from me and I didn't earn a townread from you and we can apologize to deathchat pre-emptively if this is TvT. This would be an impossible position.

    But honestly I don't think it is. You've literally breadcrumbed up to this point by pushing me and Martin in a way. I know I'm Town and I'm thinking there must be a reason I'm alive over someone like Norwee, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    As for seeing the Norwee flip, I don't think it is that surprising. I'm not sure anyone ever voted them all game so they had some level of implicit universal town reading.
    Yeah, I admit I townread Norwee but you just read the room wrong here. Norwee was pushed plenty this game by different people. And on a related note, Varcron and Norwee both pushed MM on days one and two respectively. Whether that makes MM scum #2 here is up in the air, but if you were actually worldbuilding a scumteam, a town!renegade would never ever posit a Frinckles+Martin team over a Frinckles+MM team or even Frinckles+Loldebite

    You're telling me town!renegade read this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall;967899About the lynch: is it wrong if I do not understand how we reached a Stealth lynch [I
    at all[/I]? What was he even voted for? @Frinckles @Loldebite you two sheeped Mizery's unexplained vote on Stealth for very weak / nonexistent reasons (town takeover and basically admittedly sheeping, respectively). What was that?

    -vote loldebite
    because he's less known than Frinckles for doing such things as town... but he well could act like this as scum too lol
    And you never wanted to worldbuild that from your perspective Frinckles+MM might seem reasonable?

    You're telling me town!renegade read this reply from Loldebite to Ozy:

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    I would vote to pressure Frinckles because I really wanna hear from him but I don't wanna leave a hanging vote for so long. Also, Frinckles is not (yet) voting me, whereas Martin & Mizery that were on SB's train too, are. If I stand by my hypothesis then it means that either the other town(ies) of the train all genuinely believe I'm scum, which doesn't seem likely, or the scum in SB's train is either Mizery or Martin.

    MM, what are your thoughts on people beside me ?
    Same about mizery, I'm not sure what to make of your norwee/ren/me list. Lynch pool ? Is it up to date ? Why am I on the list and not Frinckles ?
    Speaking of whom, what do you think of that weird ass train ?

    5/15, hopefully will be able to post more.
    In case I do die, I want frinckles to have my briefs andMM my white flag. Goodbye
    And you never wanted to worldbuild that from your perspective Frinckles+Loldebite might seem reasonable? He's literally hesitating to vote me and it'd mark the second silly/joking interaction we've had all game with next to zero actual content.

    So what I'm seeing is that you just jumped over to Frinckles+Martin while reciting the words 'weird' and 'aloof' repeatedly. You kept the both of us alive and killed outside so that you could pan back and say "hey, look I called it" when it boiled down to a F5. As if all the reasons I posted above weren't enough to constitute a TR on Martin from me, your play kind of seals the deal.
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    Okay, so that kill was completely unsurprising. Time to write a massive post and solve the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    So... you're scummy, but that's your town meta? I wouldn't say it is btw lol. You don't even consider your own play to be towny? In this case, how are you town?

    ...and in the meantime, Renegade is just restating that it's Frinckles' scum meta without giving the evidence I asked for ("several games"...), which is not exactly helpful. I do like his point about the Loldebite wagon that just disappeared into the void, though, but he's not pushing the thought further, despite it deserving further investigation.

    Idk. We should have lynched Renegade or Frinckles yesterday, but there was zero interest for it.

    Also Mizery, "not actually saying things" is straight up false? My thoughts on Renegade/Frinckles are actually more relevant than "I'm alive but my townreads are dead", so according to your own reasoning, you'd be >randwolf yourself...
    Town players don't always exude town characteristics. And If Renegade wants to stick on pushing my lynch that's fine, we will see who flips tomorrow and go from there. Wolves don't need any help picking a target right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    I gotta go to sleep and will post the required words tomorrow.



    This has to be an insult. What did I do ? I'm sorry

    Also this "loldefortnite" feels dejŗvu but it didn't come up in my searches. Strange.
    I just thought it was a funny play on words.
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    Their choice will be more than they bargained for. You dont want me in f5. And you don't want miz there either. Kind of makes me lament over ozy being gone more.

    But I'm not sold on.loldefortnite/Martin and I had a feeling somebody(s) were spinning the wheels.
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    Mafia will kill me or Mizery tonight.
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    Leave it to the French to write a bunch of bureaucratic shit just to lynch the host.

    But also I'm kind of down for that.
    -vote deathworlds


    Anyway. Discussing my meta is pointless, has been pointless and will be pointless literally forever. I haven't even rolled scum in almost 2 years (maybe 2 years already) and my town meta of scummyness is just my playstyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    @Mizery

    Don't forget word-count.
    -vote unvote


    that would be a dumb way to lose
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizery View Post
    i will sue
    I've seen worse happen. :/
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    inb4 Oliver librarian
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    We should probably refrain from even discussing who to lynch in f5. Just iso and think hard I guess.
    -vote skip
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    I'm normally "eh whatever" about mislynching but I kind of dropped the ball not being here for EOD2. Ozy was higher on my list than most people alive, I just wanted to push him a bit.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizery View Post
    Someone has the audacity to kill off my top townreads and not me

    like

    the actual audacity

    one last chance for the librarian to claim. Otherwise we always skip.

    -vote skip
    I already townread you but the Librarian line is pretty good. I'm pretty sure they're just dead and since we are going into lylo tomorrow.

    I have the same sentiment about being left alive though. That's like declaring that they think they can scumpaint me and ultimately they'll have to try.
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    I was gonna unvote ozy but got distracted irl lol my bad
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    A: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : INSENSITIVE, STUPID
    He is too obtuse to take a hint.

    B: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression
    It is also, unfortunately, ill-written, and at times obtuse and often trivial.


    Well sorry the context got lost Ozy, I meant the second meaning. I'd just call you stupid if I thought you were and I don't.

    I meant your line of questioning to MM seemed trivial or frivolous and while you will disagree with that characterization, yeah that's how I was pushing your slot. Scum players can just spin the wheels to keep players on the defensive while feigning solving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Tempted to vote ozy because he decided to defend someone other than him, and it was more in the manner of "this guy isn't as bad as you think it is" rather than "this guy is town because X".
    I shouldn't have to spend a post to explain to Ozy why I was pushing his slot. And instead of just explaining his line of questioning that he asked MM (and why he didn't think it was obtuse/fluff) he wants to pull the AtE card and get aggressive about it, so sure. I'm fine keeping my vote here for now.

    I guess I'll remind everyone of the obvious. There are two scum players here fucking with us and this is a pretty capable lobby so; Make some tough choices.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post

    ===


    I'm not acting obtuse, stupid, retarded, dumb.
    I am obtuse, stupid, retarded, dumb.
    Some of us actually play the game, and it sometimes involves asking questions and stating your confusions.
    Instead of going out of your way to call me obtuse, why not help the game solving process and say what I'm missing?
    I don't mean this is a joke when I now say, I'm not looking forward to playing with you again. Like this is beyond belief. Your first actual real game post was like Day2 adressing people's thoughts on your SB16 vote, yet you go out of your way to call other people who play the game obtuse without even attempting the process in any way - just make a comment to insult.
    Like just let me play the game please? If you don't play why go out of your way to insult others "lol you're retarded here"? Un-fucking-cool mate.

    Ftr, it wasn't a multiquote, it was 1 quote with Quote Breaks.
    It was still multiple quotes.

    What a knee-jerk reaction. Fluff and obtuse are the last words I'd use to insult anyone. Did it not occur to you that I'm trying to solve the game by pushing your slot since nobody has really made an effort to? Yet you want to shut down and say you don't want to play with me over it? Okay no problem for me.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Although it would be hard to do MMvOzy with both voting ren..

    Hmmmmm
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    Hell if I WERE scum I would have claimed Librarian by now lmao. Lazy wolves.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    MM is a weird slot for me. Feels genuine but at the same time some of these things make me wonder how much of it is performative.
    I'm glad there's still time and some posts left for the day tbh.
    If you want to be so obtuse, that can be applied to you as well. That entire mutliquote is fluff at best and spewing MM town at worst.

    So we can do Ozy v MM unless somebody has a better idea.

    -vote ozywho
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    I'm confused at what was so weird about me voting SB16? I gave the four people that I'd be okay with lynching well in advance. If you want to know why I voted SB16 over any of the other three, it has to do with how those three are playing.

    For example, Renegade is doing the thing where he plays coy and carefully and that usually means he's a power role. If I were scum, he'd be bonked already because none of the other players are even really pushing me. Probably because you all have a good feeling I'm just citizen which works fine for me.

    You also know I'm not Librarian because in spite of my last 2 posts, I would have revealed my check by now to force a scum CC. We can probably conclude that Librarian is dead or just not outting for some reason. Anyone paying attention to this game would not have checked Varcron of all people.

    So right now I'm convinced that one of the really active posters is probably scum. I thought less posts would benefit town because there would be less spam but the amount of trivial questions coming from certain players is making me think that misdirection is the play scum wants to make here. There's a difference between prying peoples intentions and wasting time/gently pushing people in other directions.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Norwee View Post
    Nope
    @Frinckles You have no intention of fake claiming? Why would you even say that.
    Obviously town should never fake claim at all. @Mizery i thought it would be an pretty substantial reason cus i seemed to be near the top of your list, but ok. @Marshmallow Marshall Anything to say to me at all? I feel like iíve said a lot about you but you got no response and i donít know what to make of that.
    Kay going to sleep soon so prob my last post for now.

    6/15
    Not true. You can pull the ole' switcheroo on scumteams. I think I did it with someone here before.. Martin or Renegade, I don't remember.

    Actually that game was like 3 of us claiming lmao
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