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    Thread:S-FM 344 (Ladder): President

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    Also please do not post in here. I'm getting someone who can lock this thread soon.
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    Thread:S-FM 344 (Ladder): President

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    ►►S-FM 344 (Ladder): President◄◄

    S-FM President
    The last ladder game of Season 7!

    THIS IS AN ANONYMOUS GAME, YOU MUST PM ME EITHER THROUGH DISCORD OR ON THIS SITE IN ORDER TO SIGN OR TO BE A RESERVE

    Setup Link

    Players: 5/13
    Reserves: 0/1

    SoD/EoD will occur at 3pm EST

    Spoiler : Stuff not clearly noted or not said in setup :

    Based on the last run of the game (in particular the host's notes), all yeets and elections will occur at EoD. There is no hammer at any point.

    THERE ARE NO HOST-POSTED VOTE-COUNTS FOR ELECTIONS

    The elected President has 3 vote-power, and then has 2 vote-power once the game reaches 7 or less players. They cannot use their night abilities.

    Roles are hand-picked by me, except for the Turncoat
    (look towards bottom of post to see details)

    All actions are completely optional, including the mafia factional kill.

    Mafia factional kill works in the form of exchanging a mafia's night action/ability to do the killing for a night.

    In case you missed it, this game has last wills & death notes
    (for those who are unfamiliar: those are messages that are left upon either dying or killing someone)

    The following changes have been made, with approval from a site staff member:

    There is one more Town player than what the linked setup has.

    The Bruiser/Assassin day-kills are processed at EoD, instead of middle of the day (flip would've happened at EoD regardless)

    Because I personally am against disguiser-like roles (since they can have a high skill floor which is potentially unfair); site staff have agreed to leave the inclusion of the Turncoat role to the decision of the players. When you PM me to /sign or /reserve, you may vote to have the role included or not. The results of this vote, and discussion of it, are forbidden as discussing it could imply that you're in the game (and discussing the vote in-game could lead to game-balance issues).

    Minor edit: I also am ignoring rules #5 and #6 of the linked setup since they have no actual bearing on the game, and in any cases those rules would, it is already covered by other rules


    Spoiler : in addition to setup rules :

    Discord will be expected of mafia players. If you would like to preserve your anonymity there, get a discord alt account. Discord is not expected from anyone else, though there will be a discord server for dead players with optional spoilers.

    No compensation for rule-breaking will ever be given out, unless the rule break was very extreme. If it occurred early and was serious enough, a game re-rand may be conducted instead. That said, anyone who does break the rules knows that they are potentially harming the game forever and it is suggested that site moderation take this into account.

    Try not to use this color, it helps my post stand-out.
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    Thread:Discuss

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    Clearly Lag has taken the prime real-estate option of a win-win-win scenario

    there's no way to post without any sort of discussion; its just a matter of being on-topic or not

    and if you go somewhere else in this site to do something then you're just following Lag's orders anyways

    so truly the only way to avoid the far reaches of Lag's corrupt villainous dictatorship is to leave the site and never return

    a punishment in of itself, some would say, and one that thy glorious leader did not have to do themself
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    I have no regrets for how I played.

    Except maybe getting rid of @OzyWho

    GG to wolves
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    -vote Renegade

    @Marshmallow Marshall
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    Smh clearly Frinckles is scum for closing the thread

    -vote Frinckles


    I'll be voting Renegade in a few hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    And, finally, this seems like an overblown response to a hypothetical wolf partner:



    I generally don't case my mischops when quoting a wolf partner, and this was said during the skip phase.
    To elaborate a bit more on this:

    MM didn't ask for stuff about me lol
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    I think its Ren + Lol, even though there's somewhat of argument (though not to the same degree imo) that it's Ren + MM.
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    "VCA makes X look bad"

    *quietly ignores the n1 kill making Y looking worse and never mentioning it*



    In fact just ctrl+f "lol" in Renegade and tbh I dislike his handling of Loldebite

    Earlier he hardly ever states a read on him and yet asks for votes to be off him, especially since it was L-1.

    Then actually concurs with me that its strange and suspicious the wagon disappeared quickly on Lol.

    Then wonders about Lol pocketing him but never really fleshes that out.....which is also interesting because thats almost as if there was never a town-read there to begin with. If you already town-read someone, you don't really think about pocketing. Probably even more so when you already got two suspects.

    This exists:

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I'm entirely convinced that Frinckles and Martin are the scum pair. I am also suspicious of how the Loldebite train formed and fizzled just as quickly.

    And, finally, this seems like an overblown response to a hypothetical wolf partner:

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    That should be 200 words. At least.

    Now that this most important matter is settled, I'd still like @Renegade to elaborate on @Frinckles ' meta and on the read he derives from it, and while we're at it, to hear Frinckles' thoughts on Renegade. I believe this is a TvS pairing, with either Renegade scumpainting Frinckles or Frinckles fooling me and Renegade somehow being actually town calling me out on it. I strongly lean towards the former.
    I'm entirely convinced that Frinckles and Martin are the scum pair. I am also suspicious of how the Loldebite train formed and fizzled just as quickly.

    In retrospect voting Ozy was a mistake on my part. But he was acting extremely strange and his vote on me was extremely forced and nitpicky.

    Frinckles & Martin were on BOTH trains.

    Frinckles acts aloof when he is scum based on several games I've played with him. He is much more analytical and to the point when he is town, much more willing to solve the game. His day 1 ALONE is enough to convince me is he scum.

    Frinckles claims his meta is pointless, of course that is what he wants us to think.

    It is extremely obvious to me Martin and Frinckles are scum, at the very least ONE of them, and will do everything I can do convince the rest of you of this if it isn't already obvious to you already.

    As for seeing the Norwee flip, I don't think it is that surprising. I'm not sure anyone ever voted them all game so they had some level of implicit universal town reading.

    That is all for now. Obviously I am in favor of skipping.
    I generally don't case my mischops when quoting a wolf partner, and this was said during the skip phase.
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    Err I guess thats actually today IRL....its 1:16 am for me.
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    I approve of Frinckles' wall and conclusions.

    I figured I would say what I said earlier in case Frinckles was debating on whether or not it was a TvT, by presuming Renegade to be somehow town.

    As for whether its MM or Loldebite to be paired with them, I'm uncertain. However, I do think I'm leaning less on it being MM on the basis that:

    1) If Renegage is scum, then the reason he gave for Norwee being killed is almost certainly the reason Norwee was killed. So the whole "it could've been done for MM's sake" is less relevant.
    2) Arguably, as shown by Frinckles, Loldebite could also have been spinning the wheels.
    3) Varcron

    Anyways, I'll probably dive more into that more tomorrow IRL. I would rather figure out what the post-Ren suspect is with Frinkles still around (if he has anything to say) rather than just waiting for the F3.

    A response from MM about all of this (just in general; whatever thoughts that do occur to him) would be great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    It's also strange that

    If we presume there's a wolf in Renegade + Frinckles

    That not one of them nor MM (who's being non-committal and practically an unknown factor on the issue) has died.

    Either that means Renegade + Frinckles are both town, or MM + one of Renegade/Frinckles are the two wolfs
    Actually that just means MM is scum in either case fmpov lol.
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    It's also strange that

    If we presume there's a wolf in Renegade + Frinckles

    That not one of them nor MM (who's being non-committal and practically an unknown factor on the issue) has died.

    Either that means Renegade + Frinckles are both town, or MM + one of Renegade/Frinckles are the two wolfs
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    I'm gonna be real

    I kinda just feel like sheeping Frinckles for two reasons

    1] If there's anyone I would want to lose to here, it would be him.
    2] There isn't much of a gap between MM/Renegade/Loldebite to me imo.

    Though.....loldebite's claim about renegade is interesting. Not quite sure I've seen someone claim that on another slot in a f5 before.




    After looking through things a bit, and presuming Renegade to be town, I wonder if MM specifically is scum. The last two kills were on people who were on his wagon before MYLO, and he's been sitting on the sidelines saying this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Now that this most important matter is settled, I'd still like @Renegade to elaborate on @Frinckles ' meta and on the read he derives from it, and while we're at it, to hear Frinckles' thoughts on Renegade. I believe this is a TvS pairing, with either Renegade scumpainting Frinckles or Frinckles fooling me and Renegade somehow being actually town calling me out on it. I strongly lean towards the former.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Idk. We should have lynched Renegade or Frinckles yesterday, but there was zero interest for it.
    Which feels pingy in that he's a wolf that wants this "TvS" to exist and is fairly confident that the game will end by resolving this "TvS". In particular the blue-color feels like trying to stir up some trouble while not being part of it on either side. Seems unusually non-committal.....especially given the whole reads list on d1 having renegade as scum.
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    @Loldebite

    If you're town then you 100% better reach that 200 word requirement in the 3 hours or our skip will cause us to lose (since a town modkill would be the equivalent of a misyeet, and we're in MYLO right now)
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    actually

    I have no clue if deathworlds would count words during this

    but I would hate to see if that were the case and it got skip hammered

    -vote deathworlds
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    Actually @Frinckles doesn't have enough words either, surprisingly enough.

    Or at least that's what Word says.
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    @Mizery

    Don't forget word-count.
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    Since word-count requirements are still a thing, I thought I would share this parody I made for a community I once visited. For them, every game had a Google Form for confession of ongoing game thoughts while they are playing it, from which the hosts and others can see post-game as well as any casual reactions by the hosts. One day I thought I could write a ridiculous WIFOM-inspired scene based on the form's question, and so it was written:

    Spoiler : :

    "What would you like to say?"

    Well its so simple. Are you the sort of host to expect players will confess, or to expect they will not? Now, a clever host would expect a player to confess, because they would know that only a great fool would speak freely. I'm not a great fool, so I clearly can not choose to confess. But you would've counted on it, and so clearly I should choose to confess here.

    "You've made your decision then?"

    Not remotely! Because confession forms are created by interested people, as everyone knows. And interested people are suspicious. And suspicious people are used to not being trusted, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly can not choose to confess here.

    "Truly you have a dizzying intellect"

    Wait till I get going! Where was I?

    "Confession Forms."

    Yes --- confession forms. You must've known I wouldn't have trusted you, so clearly I can choose to confess here.

    "You're just stalling now."

    You'd like to think that, wouldn't you! You've hosted an awesome game, which means you're exceptionally appealing. So, you could have expected players to confess, trusting on your popularity to cause people to use this form. So I can clearly not choose to confess here. But, this is also a re-run, which means you have hosted recently. And in hosting recently, you gathered lots of confessions and therefore expected people to distrust you and not confess here, so I can clearly choose to confess here.

    "You're trying to trick me into giving away something -- it won't work"

    It has worked! You've given everything away! I know what the correct choice is!

    "Then make your choice"

    I will! And I choose [gasp] what in the world is that fine print!?!?

    "Where? I don't see it."

    Oh, well, I could've sworn I saw something. No matter. *giggle*

    "What's so funny?"

    I'll tell you in a minute. But first, I must choose, and you must wait.

    "You choose wrong"

    You only think I choose wrong, that's what's so funny! I wrote this up and never sent it! Haha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "never write a post with scum-slip". But only slightly less well-known is this! Never go in against a off-site player when CONFESSION is on the line! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA---oh wait


    -vote skip




    Oh and when we arrive at the next day phase, don't vote unless you're certain your vote isn't going to change. One misplaced vote is GG due to wolf hammers.
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    Three posts left after this one.
    @Marshmallow Marshall

    w.r.t. your reads list

    Why is Mizery so low if two people sheeped their vote at EoD1?

    Or have you re-evaluated by now? If so, tell me about it.
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    -vote Ozywho


    Either this guys looking for some town points or he's going out of his way to butt heads with mine for poor reasons.
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    Tempted to vote ozy because he decided to defend someone other than him, and it was more in the manner of "this guy isn't as bad as you think it is" rather than "this guy is town because X".
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post

    Point #4 being irrelevant is agreed upon.
    Point #3 being irrelevant comes from #4 being irrelvant.
    Point #2, no comment, I'm not a mindreader.
    Point #1, loldebite's responses indicate clear focus on self preservation.
    I didn't read any of the post before this quote because of the problematic formatting which made it difficult to read.

    Point #1 is the same as I view it.

    Point #3 is relevant because loldebite decided that something he was going to be suspected for (reminder: point #1 and the hypothetical that this guy is town) was something he didn't need to defend himself from nor talk about at all. I cannot fathom feeling threatened by something and then staying mute about it as town. That's practically not even a defense at all. Like, if we put this move to an extreme, it would be like expecting his lack of a defense on it (and that Varcron was simply a WIFOM kill) to be the sole thing that convinces some amount of people to not vote him.

    Also, lol:

    ...no comment, I'm not a mindreader.
    You say that, but I'm fairly sure that's what you try to do when speculating wolf play as you (presumably) don't know they're wolves.
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    I got 7 posts left after this.

    Also worth noting: That loldebite wagon disappeared preety quickly.

    And if you don't think this is relevant: This is my very fancy way of making fun of the people who thought the sudden Stealth wagon was suspicious and AI for me
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    Frinckle's tone I read as genuine.

    Also interesting to note three people suspect a MM/Martin team based on reads: Miz, Lol, and Ozy if I got that right. Think if there's wolf in there its probably Lol and others are just town.

    oh ozy look another post where martin doesn't interact with MM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norwee View Post
    Also. Martin pre-flipping: "If Lol is scum then Norwee town" is fuckin scummy.

    3/15
    Would the context of a red-check make that any different?

    Because that's what it almost felt like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    About 1) : I figured I should say something about this because it feels like that's what sparked Varcron's suspicions about myself. Guess why I didn't make the first post ? I had nothing to say and would rather spend my precious posts reacting to other people's, because it was quite obvious that I'd be under the most cautious scrutiny.

    Wtf do you want me to say about 3) ? I obviously don't agree with the reasoning according to which I'm the most wolfy of the SB trimvirat [Mizery, Frinckles, Loldebite], for obvious reasons (I know that I'm town).

    4) ... What ? Obviously it's a WIFOM kill, either I did it and killed the whoever accused me, or someone else did to make it look like the former. Is that not what is meant by "WIFOM kill" ? That's what I was referring to.
    What exactly do you consider "wolfy to begin with"
    Why is that important? Towns can have huge misplays or just be dumb. You don't have to explain why those suspicions are. No one here is going to be thinking "Ah yes since Varcron was suspicious of Loldebite, it's a red-check for Loldebite".

    You don't bring it up at all. Like, seriously? Your best answer to something you think you'll be highly suspected for (despite it being wholeheartedly wrong in your view) is to just stay quiet about it?

    As for the last part, fine. I guess people can call it a WIFOM kill and mean that, but personally I think WIFOM is a very broad term and can happen in various ways and so specification beyond the words of "WIFOM" is generally useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Martin, why is "If loldebite had been the first to post on d2, it would've been a one-liner." a thing while Norwee's nothing-post deserves no comment?
    If we're both town I'm quite concerned for all future games where we're both town, considering the differences in viewpoints we seem to continually have.

    The difference is that Loldebite wouldn't have said anything about the kill were it not for Norwee's post.....which he quoted three times to say three separate things.

    I take it that you don't think this is even a difference at all?
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    Also

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I was examining the vote count and noticed you were on Martin, so I went to check what your reason for voting him was. It apparently is that Ozy is... LHF? Do you stand by your read that basically states Martin tried to lynch LHF town Ozy? If so, where do you see this? Because... I don't. And Martin was Stealth's counterwagon.

    Also, thoughts on the Stealth lynch? You've been pretty empty content-wise.
    just read his extremely short iso lol

    he has one more comment w.r.t me I think
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post

    3) Despite having some level of self-consciousness (as shown in point #2),
    Ebwop
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    Reading loldebite's D2 entrance here it almost feels too simple in how wolfy it is, given Varcron was NK'ed.

    1) If loldebite had been the first to post on d2, it would've been a one-liner.

    2) Uses dead town's wording in regards to self. And even then, you rarely would ever do this if that person was still alive.

    3) Despite having some level of self-consciousness (as shown in point #1), they completely missed Varcron saying they should be looked at if sb16 flipped town and did not mention it at all. In fact, they responded to the very Varcron post which said that on d1.

    4) "it was a WIFOM kill" argument on slot that would highly suspect him in this situation

    ....but I dislike TWTBAW arguments given there's something wolfy to begin with and so that'll be an issue later on unless its resolved in some somehow-towny way.

    -vote loldebite


    Also I think if loldebite is wolf then Norwee is probably spewed town. I feel like if that post was intentionally bad (and done intentionally bad as wolf), then if they were quoting a wolf partner they would've been voted by said wolf partner already. Aside from Norwee, I can't think of anything that would help tell who would be bussing Loldebite.
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    Oli -- getting modkilled prob lol
    Mizery
    Frinckles
    Ozy
    Norwee
    MM
    Varcron
    loldebite
    Sb16
    Renegade


    something like that

    In general I'm more certain about my top reads than I am about my bottom reads, except maybe Frinkles because I feel like I can never be certain about him just because of how he typically has played as town (and that I'm frequently paranoid of capable players)

    -vote stealthbomber16


    Would've liked to interact with Sb16 more but self-pres calls.


    Also, re: Mizery

    Skip works as self-pres so if Renegade was going to do that then at that moment it could mean a town not being ML'ed. With so few posts I didn't have much other choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Btw, in my language, there's 2 apologies:
    "I'm sorry"
    "please forgive me"
    Is it different in English language?
    (I think I just don't see the difference between "I'm sorry" and "I apologize"?)

    I myself see "please forgive me" as fake - because it feels like it's about what they want.
    While others (majority I think) see "I'm sorry" as fake/easy/lesser.
    Go figure.
    Seems like you understand the difference.

    "I'm sorry" --- "I feel bad about having wronged you." Also sometimes used to express feeling bad over something terrible happening to someone else even if the person saying "I'm sorry" is not responsible at all

    "Please forgive me" --- "Please don't be upset over it." This is an alternative meaning to it, but it also generally comes with the context that "I would feel bad or terrible if you're upset at me"

    Also I've almost never heard "Please forgive me" outside of like dramatic movies so it's interesting to hear that here lol.

    Also
    Apologize === Sorry
    Pretty much, except "Apologize" is probably a more "professional" way of saying it where "Sorry" is more casual
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    Thread:apologizing is overrated

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    Based on your definition of an apology, I agree to some extent. Though tbh I have seen apologies from strangers/acquaintances very rarely except in PR statements and customer service so I can't be as certain lol.

    What I suspect makes or breaks it is if the person who perceives having been wronged is willing to listen a bit. At which point the person who has allegedly wronged can make an apology that doesn't sound similar to others. If an apology doesn't sound like other apologies, or contextually it would be unique, then it'll sound authentic. Examples showing this:

    1) When a person apologizes unnecessarily. I have two IRL friends who do this often but because its often unnecessary I find it to be genuine and authentic.
    2) Apologizing and, when doing so, resolving to rectify the issue while drawing upon personal qualities / stories. In other words -- don't generalize the apology so much that it has no specific relevance to your personality or personhood.

    It's likely not limited to those examples, but generally they're the most common ime.

    Personally, regardless of whether I am right or wrong on this, I think people in general IRL can be pretty bad in communication skills and so that'll just mess things up anyways.
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    @OzyWho

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Context is important? Such as - before the Mizery's posts in question - my latest post had only me and MM having posted so far? Please tell me more about how I should have commented on Renegades or Varcrons or Mizerys future post, and how Mizery should have called me out for not doing so. This is insincere or, yet again, one or both of us is missing something here.



    I should have "pried more for what you were talking about"?
    Ok, what were you talking about in your 2 posts..
    1)"to be serious or not to be serious" + shitpost fluff.
    2) "I'm undecided about Ozy. What makes him LHF?"

    Idk what you expect me to "pried more for" wrt `1)`, but I did comment on `2)` - did I not?



    You know MM's game history, and if you didn't - I told you.
    You saw how negative MM was looking there.
    If you couldn't put 2+2 together, I did it for you. Why would you take it as a joke, like, ever? What about it is a joke? Someone having emotions and being negative from randing wolf over and over and over?
    I even gave you MM's meta tell that blink and mag used. Again, is that a joke or something? Why wouldn't you take it serious?




    Idk, I don't connect with this Martin at all.
    -vote MartinGG9

    1 post left I believe
    Paragraph 1: See, this is where you make the assumption on what Mizery said about Norwee. All Mizery said was "comments on people who aren't MM?". With that statement, there is no differentiation there between your post on MM and Norwee's post on MM. When you say:

    Please tell me more about how I should have commented on Renegades or Varcrons or Mizerys future post, and how Mizery should have called me out for not doing so.
    I think you are saying that the vote was justified on Norwee because Norwee didn't talk about any of the other posts then? Well, it COULD be that Mizery was referring to that fact as the reason for voting Norwee. It may just even be the exact reason, and that you are correct. But Mizery ever specify that? Nope. Not at all. I'm willing to bet MM wanted to know what Mizery's reasons were to see if they were good or justified (such as possibly what you said), specifically, or if they were just bad.

    If you just look at Mizery's post, assume intended context, then you're just going to be giving free explanations to wolves without ever questioning them in the future. The best liar out there is always a person's own mind.

    Paragraph 2: You're taking this to a specific level when I meant things broadly. Interactions are interactions. I'm sure you could've thought of something, given your first three posts which worked much better than you expected, as you said.

    Paragraph 3: I didn't think anyone would meta-the-freak-out of a single post. People normally aren't town-told or wolf-told in a single post and for good reason: It's easy to WIFOM over.
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    Conserving my remaining two posts (not including this one) for later if there are questions. Because of that, its prob better to do this instead of sitting on Renegade:

    -vote skip


    I'm moving this if I need to self-pres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Marino, I expected more. I guess it is self pres to tie us as trains for now, then again I am always shouting that self pres is NAI.

    But of all the people so far in this game, I am the best target because I am ... voting you? Please tell me there is more to your vote.
    There isn't much more to it, its what I have right now with the posts that are available to me.

    I didn't really put my usual amount of focus/effort into this game until now because of the trainwreck that was the game that I hosted, which kinda demotivated me for FM in general, but also this was a low-post game and I don't generally have interest in those. But I feel more interested again and so here I am.

    Preferably I would not like to die, as then I would have no say on what happens later with the town's discussions.
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    *she not he, sorry mizery
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Mizery said "comments on people who aren't MM?" - where Norwee's post was about only MM (and my copypasta). No comments about Varcron, no comments about Mizery, no comments about Renegade in that post.
    There is 0 room for confusion here. I disagree with your idea.
    Maybe MM wanted to make sure? That's possible. But there is no "what exactly" to be confused about.

    You had 2 posts, with no content in them whatsoever. Maybe the least out of everyone except the 0 poster.
    I'm unsure of what you were expecting me to talk to you about tbh.

    Ngl, I don't understand what you're saying here. In my "LAMIST" post - I was transparent about my own actions while commenting on what makes MM wolfy there. You have no comments about my MM case there?
    I don't particularly care for continuing this discussion any more, per my previous post, but in order of the sentences above:

    1. MM was asking to a level of specification. If Mizery was truly voting people *just* for talking about MM he should've voted you as well lol. Context is important, and Mizery didn't mention what that important context was which made Norwee's comments bad.

    2. You could've just pried more for what I was talking about. Or something. Just anything for a reaction that even may be the slightest helpful. Instead you didn't interact at all.

    3. I thought that was an early game joke case, which later turned serious, so I didn't have any comments on your MM case then.
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    Ozy's response is good enough.

    I still think he didn't follow-through but reading his other posts I felt he was town simply because they felt less fabricated or agenda-y. Ex: #51 and #56.

    I also thought his "ozy is X skill" reasoning was towny, I just wanted to confront him with those details I mentioned.
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    @oliverz144

    make 200 words in the next 4-5 hours or you gonna feel the library's ultimate wrath
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    However, a skip vote may be good for everyone in general given the nature of this game so I am ironically agreeing with Renegade in that regard. Besides, if the wolves do decide to night-kill, we can discuss that as well. Either they take out someone who's had their fair share of attention or d1 interactions, and so we can discuss that if desired, or they take out some seemingly irrelevant slot (to avoid night-kill-analysis) that could be a potential mislynch later down the road.
    come to think of it I don't think there's any consensus town slot off the top of my head

    Except maybe Mizery
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    -vote Renegade


    Pending Ozy's response to me, I'd rather vote the guy has a more wolfy reason of voting me.

    However, a skip vote may be good for everyone in general given the nature of this game so I am ironically agreeing with Renegade in that regard. Besides, if the wolves do decide to night-kill, we can discuss that as well. Either they take out someone who's had their fair share of attention or d1 interactions, and so we can discuss that if desired, or they take out some seemingly irrelevant slot (to avoid night-kill-analysis) that could be a potential mislynch later down the road.
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    Okay I have adjusted thoughts on Ozy, but I still would like to see his response to my post if possible. If I just stated them now then it would just ruin the point of my previous post.
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    oh there's a second page
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    @OzyWho

    If you happen to be awake before EoD, I would appreciate any sort of response to this post.

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I can't see MM's mentality in context of his game history as anything but wolfy. Bruh is just oozing with negativity.
    His thoughts on Ren felt possible, but even that felt tonally more shade throwy than solvy. (#19)
    And that appeal of comparing my play to a different player in a different game where they shot someone SoD1? Honestly, FM should have it's own special set of that type of fallacies. Same goes for Martin's "he was good a different game, that means nobody should be eligable to feel like they're low hanging fruit this game". [The latter is irrelevant for my thoughts in this game]

    [quote snipped]

    I love SB16's opening post tbh. His thoughts on loldebite mirror mine, and he put my attention to Mizery's early post where they voted Norwee. I see I originally misread Mizery's post and I like it, same as SB16. Also, Mizery's progression for switching away from Norwee for the reason that she stated - it's just so towny to me tbh. (MM's "As for Norwee, what exactly do you not like?" suggests to me he didn't try to look into it himself. I mean, it's literally 1 sentence to look up where she voted Norwee, which was also her only other post at the time)
    I can see SB16 liking MM's vote on me, if it takes nothing else into account. Which it doesn't, and idk why?

    No thought's on Ren and Martin atm though. But by pre-flipping MM as a Wolf, I feel that Renegade's #11 makes him less likely to be W/W with MM than Martin's #39.

    [quote snipped]

    My vote on MM is locked.
    I've about half my posts left.
    If anyone, who's not MM, has any specific questions (not generalized questions) - feel free to ask, but do do mention me though.

    @deathworlds
    If, MM and Martin are W/W, then Ozy is God
    If, only MM, then Ozy is average.
    If, MM is town, then Ozy is just bad.
    Calling it now.
    Regarding the orange part: It isn't a logical fallacy, its just fact because people typically don't want to chop the more capable players of a game. Some exceptions exist though, see Frinkles vote on me for example where I think he's basically fear-voting me.

    Regarding the light-pink part: Or maybe you didn't look into Mizery's vote enough to realize Norwee's post (which Mizery voted for) has a fair amount of text in it and so MM was asking for more specification on reasoning for the vote beyond just broadly "comments on MM".

    1. Regarding the red part: No thoughts on me and yet you decided to NOT interact with my vote on you or even interact with Ren at all? (And you saw it some time ago, my vote was p#21 and you posted at p#37)

    You had like 8-12 hours (8 if counting my post after your p#37) to figure out anything more from my slot or what you could do to interact. But you just sat here and did nothing, and didn't generate any interaction with me.

    What happened to this belief earlier in the day phase? To me, you were demonstrating a willingness to make things just *happen* through interaction and discussion but here you've ignored me in that regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    So, what happened here is I got the game rolling. (see we got something to talk about already and not just say hi to each other?)

    Honestly, it worked out much better than I hoped for.
    MM has this "I hate everything" mentality going on. For context: this'd be at least his 3rd wolf game in a row, if not more, and beyond that he has famously been wolf like more than half of the games on SC2Mafia. (see my last hosted game, where he got to be town after another long spree of wolfing - he was dancing on clouds as happy as he was!)
    blink and mag - the two players who are best at reading MM - have claimed they catch him wolfing when they see him not enjoying the game. I remember them teasing him that he can't fake that

    This MM? With this "I hate stuff" attitude? In the context of his game history and his game meta?
    I like it â•°(*´ï¸¶`*)╯
    This post pinged me as feeling very "Look-At-Me-I'm-So-Town" and given that you have not followed-through with it gives me the impression you are a wolf. This was the whole point of my choice to vote you even while I was undecided, because I needed more from you to see if I was right or wrong on that feeling.

    On a separate note: How come "If, MM is town, then Ozy is just bad." is regardless of whether I would be scum or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Take this as a compliment, but I'm expecting more from you - Oxy is extremely low hanging fruit. And what you wrote after just strikes me as trying so hard to play it safe while appearing to make a statement..

    -vote MartinGG99
    .
    I mean, you're not wrong.

    I'm mildly undecided about ozy, leaning a bit suspicious of him, but I felt a vote on Ozy would be a good place to start since I particularly liked Mizery's comments about it and MM shifted his vote onto you.

    What makes him LHF though? Yes, I know MM voted Ozy and Ozy vote MM, but they both seemed more in vein of early-game pushes for information rather than actually any case so I didn't really count it as aggression.

    Aside from that, I don't see anything "low-hanging" about Ozy. In fact, that one ?krc game by Lag had my whole D1 tusseling with the guy and he didn't get much in terms of votes.
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    to be or to not be.....serious

    that is the question

    -vote OzyWho


    regardless of my yet-be-serious or actually-serious status I would like to note that I want to town-read Mizery and not look back ever and this isn't being exaggerated in any shape or form just because of some word-count restriction that you all may or may not be thinking of right now because I would like to emphasize that isn't, okay? And if that got too confusing to read I just italicized my point for thy dear readers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    But if you riot and Lag's out, you can't harm them. You need to be more... proactive. GO GET 'EM
    Is Lag really out though if they were never in to begin with?

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Signups are open. Please state intention to join or say "/sign" in order to be on the list of participants
    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    /in

    -vote Varcron


    /out
    What is Lag now? What is Lag? [insert joke disclaimer]
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    I generally don't play low-post games but if my sign puts possibly improving the site on the table then hey forget what I said

    /sign
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