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    good game everyone!
    fun playin with y'all
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    Scumbot do you actually want me to argue here or no?
    Because this seems pretty case closed since you saw baker visit no one & they claimed to have visited you
    Plus this is the second time they are claiming to not have protected who they were expected to protect
    I'll do it if you think there's any legitimate chance it's not baker here though

    -vote Bakermir
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    Well if you disagree you can post about it but I'm going to go with it and expect both you and baker also to go with it

    I'll vote now

    -vote Innovation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    So if I bodyguard you
    Baker bodyguards me
    You flip a coin to determine which of baker/me to track

    DH is forced to holster because there's a 50% chance they lose the game
    Town enters tomorrow with 2 mech townies OR a mech locked wolf
    it won't be necessarily solved 100% of the time but it'll be significantly more winnable
    And if baker or I deviates from this plan, then you just kill us
    Thoughts?
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    So if I bodyguard you
    Baker bodyguards me
    You flip a coin to determine which of baker/me to track

    DH is forced to holster because there's a 50% chance they lose the game
    Town enters tomorrow with 2 mech townies OR a mech locked wolf
    it won't be necessarily solved 100% of the time but it'll be significantly more winnable
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    did you say what you did n1
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    I think that's a little silly in a way. Like yesterday stalling the MM lynch does a whole bunch of nothing and waiting for 3 more hours does ???? maybe in this case it gives awut a chance to get here but your "im going to wait until near deadline to vote" doesn't seem like the most pro-town meta that you are trying to build
    In this case I want to establish a mech plan so we can do the best possible course of action, I'd be willing to vote after we do that

    also generally it's just better for town to have more discussion time so I don't really get how early voting is at all helpful (at least in this kinda setup)
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    it makes plenty of sense for a CA to claim the real role that they stole. If you stole bakes role just avoid lynching/nightkilling him
    Why though? What benefit does CA get from it? The only way it'd be relevant to the game is if the CA died & people believed the claim, but that wouldn't even be helpful to the triad for reasons I just explained.
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    If you detective me for example
    I guard baker or you
    Baker guards you or me

    You'd see me visit someone without them dying, confirming I'm not dragon head

    Doesn't have to be exactly that, I haven't thought that far into it but smth like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    gikkle not voting a guilty is *glare*
    I'm not voting anyone yet?
    I don't typically vote till the last like 2 hours of day
    I'll vote after we establish a mech plan tho bc I think this game is basically mech solvable
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    although if bake is just the CA then that means that he stole WS from Gikkle so how'd he know that Gik was a WS before last night? or what if Gik's is the CA and stole WS from Bake?
    This was part of auwt's argument and I was gonna respond to the whole thing but with your mech I think we just win

    CA doesn't have any incentive to claim the thing they stole
    People's last wills easily indicates the flip was false + their fake flip would be easily disproven by the fact town hasn't lost yet (if anything if it WAS believable bc someone forgot to include their name they risk their triad buddies self outing bc they think they have majority)
    And obviously when they're alive the CA swap can't be observed, so there's no way the CA can actually benefit from it
    So I don't understand where the idea came from that CA has any kind of real incentive to claim the thing they swapped with
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    If town loses it may be my fault but that would mean Gikkle is town and scum are 1 of baker, auwt. I thought I could just get inno voted out without claiming but and not get insta killed but I guess it doesn't matter b/c someone will BG me. I'm detective and Inno visited Pod last night. Which means that he was the hidden triad (moulder). I believer that his "3rd hidden" was hint to his buddy that he was the hidden triad and that Baker hinted at being the CA. Sorry if I screwed up.
    Oh okay so this game is basically just mech solved then
    I think detective + 2 Bodyguard claims just makes it so town always enters the game tomorrow with at least 2 town clears or a fake bodyguard outed?
    Dragon Head would have to holster if we set this up correctly w/ me and baker being forced to go on specific targets

    may we know what you did n1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    gikkle is too smart for his own good i think
    Funny that you say this given the case seems to be based on the idea that Triad me made a series of suboptimal plays

    I won't say any more about it tho because I'm gonna give my proper response later
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    Alright I guess if Auwt is going to be wolfing so hard I need to actually put a little more energy into this

    I'll respond to the posts around 4pm bc I won't have much time on my computer before then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    The fact baker even knew PoD was the bus driver heavily implicates them
    I mean honestly I might be wrong about baker being the killer and not the CA bc it did kind of look like Baker was signalling to somebody that PoD was BD
    Which if corrupt assessor, only way they'd know that is if they tried to corrupt assessor me, ikarus died, and they realized there was a bus drive bc ikarus should have had his stuff flipped
    Er, other way around. Not me - they would have tried to CA ikarus
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    The fact baker even knew PoD was the bus driver heavily implicates them
    I mean honestly I might be wrong about baker being the killer and not the CA bc it did kind of look like Baker was signalling to somebody that PoD was BD
    Which if corrupt assessor, only way they'd know that is if they tried to corrupt assessor me, ikarus died, and they realized there was a bus drive bc ikarus should have had his stuff flipped
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    I still wouldn't be surprised if it was baker/auwt here
    It's just awful convenient that auwt's butler was on pretty much the least useful person it could have been on

    I also don't understand how Inno is a better vote than baker here? Baker tried to save MM & didn't protect who they said they'd protect. How's that ever not a wolf?
    Also wolves deliberately attacking PoD clearly indicates they both believed Baker that PoD was bus driver, and that Baker wouldn't protect them
    So it either means the hidden is confident baker is their buddy, or, more likely, baker is just the hidden & killed PoD
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    I'd prefer people stopped voting prematurely
    We still have ~24 hours left in the day. There's no reason to vote early unless you won't be online near EoD.
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    I still wouldn't be surprised if it was baker/auwt here
    It's just awful convenient that auwt's butler was on pretty much the least useful person it could have been on

    I also don't understand how Inno is a better vote than baker here? Baker tried to save MM & didn't protect who they said they'd protect. How's that ever not a wolf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Innovation View Post
    Not a problem i will do this first.

    I am a locksmith.

    N1- no actions.

    N2- Locked Scumbot
    Reasons:
    1) Scumbot voted for MM. Saw it as a positive
    2) You didn't hammer right away, giving town more time which helps
    3) You called out POD for pushing me so hard

    N3- No Action. One use left.
    there's only been 2 nights
    why no action night 1?
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    Everyone alive should make absolutely sure you have your name in your will. Whoever the CA swapped doesn't seem to be dead yet, so good chance that will become relevant very soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    pff, my claim isn't even gonna sound that believable due to the circumstances surrounding it
    plus I've already revealed enough about my role that you could probably guess it if you tried hard enough
    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Since it's been quite a bit past the 24 hour mark, and everyone has checked in saying they did NOT bus drive me or Ikarus, it's time I came clean.

    My result on Marshmallow Marshall was a lie. It was a reaction fish. I did not see MM visit Ikarus. In fact, if MM is indeed lying about being controlled, then I was the one that was controlled/roleblocked. I won't say whether I'm detective or lookout or some other role, but my action was clearly messed with by something if MM is lying.
    I'll claim now since it's been 24 hours, but I would have really liked Innovation to claim first

    I am the War Surgeon.

    What I meant by the "circumstances surrounding it" was that both nights, my action got redirected onto myself, and obviously we have Baker claiming the exact same role.

    Night 1, I protected Ikarus, who I at numerous points alluded to (on day 2) being someone I considered a prime kill target.
    Given Ikarus still died, this was why I was so confident in saying that if MM was lying about being vigi that was controlled to Ika (which would make sense given I can only protect from 1 attack w/ my doctor ability), I was likely the one that was targeted by the Triad Hidden
    (although obviously even if PoD hadn't bus driven Ikarus I would have died so it didn't end up mattering)
    Night 2, I protected Scumbot. I didn't know for sure if PoD was actually Bus Driver & I figured Baker wouldn't kill PoD even if triad because that would out them, but evidently they still did it. If I had known for sure PoD was bus driver (instead of Baker just claiming that PoD was) I may have still protected him even with baker's claim given the importance of his role.


    Both of my actions funnily - and sadly - enough ended up being redirected back to myself, so my role, like I said, isn't gonna sound incredibly believable because apart from the fact that I can guarantee scumbot gets to tomorrow, my role isn't really "confirmable"


    I think there's technically a mech play we could make if baker was somehow town, but I sincerely doubt that's the case
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    If you were truly in danger of getting hammered you would have already claimed.
    And you know it.

    The ghost is there btw.
    Evidently you're less worried about a hammer than me, given you're the one that placed the vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Innovation View Post
    Literally misinformation. If you read the early post, you will see at least ikarus calling me a hard town read. SL also never said i was triad as well.
    Innovation can you claim your role and actions please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Innovation View Post
    sorry guys, its my first game i didnt know how much of a time commitment it would be. kinda depreso right now, but ill try make a post after catching up over time, just been kinda ykno crying all day
    Take as long as you need. Hope you're doing alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Last day was almost crystal-clear to go for MM, so roleclaim was unnecessary.
    Today, nothing to compare with last day on that matter.

    So yeah, that's definitely way worse.

    When it is mechanically unnecessary, here you are to distract from the MM train who turned out to be DH.
    When it is mechanically a good approach, here you are to delay as much as you can.

    You want my version ?

    You are in such a bad spot that you realized you cannot claim anything, as proven by the list of role I posted earlier.
    Just gonna ignore your posts

    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    otoh, if you were worried about scum hammering you then just claim and maybe Auwt would stop voting you? But you seemed not concerned at all.
    Why are you using this argument against me and not the one placing a bad vote in effective LYLO? Why am I given the burden of trying to stop a scum hammer and you ignore the one that possibly put the game in that position?
    You're acting like I'm responsible for controlling the rash actions of other players.

    If scum wanna hammer, they can hammer, at that point it's out of my hands bc I did say when I was going to claim. I made my case and explained why I don't wanna claim before Innovation, and Auwt chose to believe - or act like he believes - that I don't know how to make a fake claim as scum. It's an annoying situation because I'd much rather have claimed 24 hours ago, and even more I'd much rather have claimed yesterday in the last 4 hours of day 2, but I'm not gonna let myself get pressured into doing something I believe is -EV for the town, even if I may look stupid in the process.

    at this point i'm giving myself a headache because I'd much rather have claimed SoD
    I'm committing to my 24 hours time though so you'll have to wait
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    Just fyi baker pretty sure your logic means nothing bc I'm pretty sure self voting isn't actually allowed (it's not counted by the bot at least)
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    I am gonna claim at around 24 hours but I'm not gonna claim before then unless innovation comes on
    So your vote does nothing except give scum the opportunity to hammer if you're town
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    After all of what happened, Gikkle has now decided to wait for a ghost to claim before he would think of claiming.

    Imagine believing that's worse than what you pulled last EoD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Master staller.

    -vote Gikkle
    Really trying hard to make me think you're scum
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    i mean ok?

    yeah maybe my early reads weren't spot on but what does that have to do with anything?

    I'm just salty and I think SL didn't play very well. I'm doubling down.
    Scarlet played perfectly fine. They were the only one to vote a wolf day 1. They should have self pressed but aside from that they did a great job appearing townie + helping town solve. I was annoyed enough at the last second push on them that got them killed, so don't also spit on their grave please
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    I think you could look at Gikkle's refusal to claim as scummy. He's deff being hardheaded and stubborn but at this point, it's just grating.
    I'm tired of arguing about this lol
    I was willing to claim yesterday
    I explained my reason for not claiming today, and YOU also think Innovation is scummy
    So if we both agree Inno has a very good chance of being scum why should I give Innovation the opportunity to base his claim off of me

    I mean I understand the annoyance but it's not like I'm not gonna claim today like auwt did, I just don't want to claim before innovatiom
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Seriously though, did it not strike anyone that me claiming doc on MM yesterday never comes from a wolf? like what wolf makes that play

    I just played my night actions bad and I take full blame on that.

    also think about the setup balance guys, what is more likely generally speaking? town comp with war surgeon or town comp with butler and citizens?

    maybe butler is town and perhaps a war surgeon+butler comp is possible but then gikkle never claimed their role /gasp
    You were trying to give MM an explanation for lack of DH kill
    Your doctor target doesn't even make sense because you yourself said the bus driver play was to swap me/some inactive, and you SRed MM at SoD2
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    i will be locking my bodyguard on scumbot
    Your track record isn't great with these kind of statements
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    It's especially annoying hearing auwt talking about me not claiming because it's just so hypocritical lol
    I was very opening to claiming yesterday and he's the one that didn't open the door
    The reason I don't want to claim NOW is because at this point it isn't gonna change literally anything about anyones read on me or help town in any way but it IS gonna allow innovation more freedom w/ a fake claim
    And while I'm probably gonna claim anyways because Innovation isn't getting on I don't see how my position regarding that is unreasonable when everyone seems to think Innovation is scum?

    Also to baker -
    Why would we trust you when you deliberately didn't protect who you said you would?
    And you implied a lot mech knowledge with CA & Bus driver yesterday that makes no sense with a war surgeon claim
    Like why should we trust you
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    but im confirmed town unless you think its me +auwt
    I don't think it's you
    I just have a very deep well of paranoia and I like to try and look for cracks in my wordview at every opportunity
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    but if I'm calling him scum does it matter? I mean yeah, his claim doesn't really make sense b/c there was time between his last post and the EOD so he's lying when he saying that he couldn't vote.
    it does matter
    I'm sanity checking myself and also hearing more of your own thought process
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    but now he's claimed
    Yes he has, but my offer from yesterday doesn't really apply to today when the whole reason I did it was to encourage people to claim within the 4 hours left in the day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    I don't remember you pushing innovation but I was pretty focused on MM/Baker yesterday so your read on Innovation probably just didn't leave much of an impression in my mind
    Also I was asking more specifically about the line of logic that I used in the case rather than your overall read on innovation
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    fun fact! I have been pushing inno as scum since the start of d2 and I'm pushing him as the days lynch over baker although I would be willing to vote there I suppose. It's like you and Baker aren't even reading my posts. I mean, Baker is probs just scum that's only somewhat paying attention to the thread but you are constantly missreading/not reading me for ????
    I don't remember you pushing innovation but I was pretty focused on MM/Baker yesterday so your read on Innovation probably just didn't leave much of an impression in my mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    Gikkle holding onto his roleclaim for dear life is starting to get off putting and it's reaching the levels of ridiculous---just saying
    I've explained my reasoning multiple times?
    I was also very willing to claim yesterday but Auwt wasn't so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    @Gikkle

    So let's try to guess then?

    Citizen, you said no, and that roleblock/manipulation can have an impact on you.
    Bus Driver, you cannot be manipulated, and you said in a previous post that your role could be roleblocked/manipulated.
    Locksmith, you cannot be roleblocked, as you are first in Order Of Action.
    Detective, you have nothing, and whether you like it or not, you withdrew.
    Lookout, you have nothing, and whether you like it or not, you withdrew.
    Vigilante, it would be time to wake up.
    Military, it would be time to wake up.
    Butler, please don't reveal a dead is town member
    War Surgeon, yeah yeah yeah a bakermir2.
    Roleblocker, you cannot be roleblocked, and you said your role can be roleblocked/manipulated.

    I can't see a TOWN role that can save you.
    Now, I could eventually have a look at Triad roles once again, but is it that useful?
    I said my role claim wasn't gonna be particularly believable considering the circumstances surrounding it, so going through the possibilities like this isn't gonna be very fruitful if you come at it from that perspective
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    @Innovation
    Waiting for that claim
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    Butler claim is meh and idk if I trust it but it ultimately depends on what innovation claims
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    ima be honest here, I will be very surprised if this is anything but a bakemir/innovation team. There are some things that still make me side-eye Gikkle but I mean, you said you'd body a player and then that player dies and there's like no reaction?

    I also kinda feel like the accusing town of game-throwing if we voted for him is just scummy manipulation.
    Did you read my mini case on innovation in my devils advocate post?
    I went over how Innovation's reason for not voting EoD doesn't really add up, and wondering what you think of that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Watch one of Gikkle or Innovation claim Citizen, I see it comming millions of miles away, maybe even pretending one of the deads had their role flip swapped thanks to Assessor.

    I feel it.
    Idk what innovation is gonna claim but I literally couldn't claim citizen, I very clearly stated that my role is one that would have some idea of it being roleblocked or controlled (based on me saying I think I may have been)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Your push on MM was a pure guess as you stated.
    You wanted to heaten the situation.
    However, later on you decided to withdraw and went much much much cooler on MM situation, before hammering what would have anyway been the go-to lynch.

    And from my perspective, obviously biaised thanks to my role, you are far from being on the same town stage scumbot is.
    This is the last post I'll respond to about this topic since I don't find it important. I'm likely not going to be surviving to a point where this will matter anyways.

    Yes, it was a guess, but like I said, NOT a pure guess, as it was based off NKA (which I guess may have been a bit faulty given me and Ikarus being swapped) & my own sus on MM based on EoD1. But if I'm triad, not only did I pick someone who I had expressed suspicion on the day prior and who many people sussed (meaning I was picking someone who already had a high chance of being triad from my PoV), but I also did not take that opportunity to keep claiming to have tracked MM despite how EASY it would have been to keep that claim. Doubt y'all would be suggesting all this weird paranoid stuff if I had kept that claim up.

    To say I "withdrew" is inaccurate. After he revealed the vigilante I continued going hard against him. I did get paranoid near the end of day because of how you and PoD were being weird about hammering, but I never suggested actually moving the wagon off of MM, nor did I ever say I thought MM had any real chance of being town.

    The only alternative wagon I even threw out there was Baker, and you seem entirely on board with them being a wolf.

    I guess from the PoV of a supposed "butler", sure. But I feel like you guys are giving way too much credence to the idea I'm going for style points or smth here, because the simplest victory for me would have just been powerwolfing day 2 & keeping my eyes out for any townies that I could easily push. Y'all trying to justify your paranoia by suggesting bussing both of my supposed partners is the play I make just gives me a headache lol
    I don't enjoy wolfing this much to selfishly throw my partners - who would not be able to agree to a bus by virtue of there being no triad chat - under the bus instead of just winning ASAP. The only argument I have no qualms with you making is that Triad me didn't have any clue MM or Baker were my buddies, but that's a pretty silly argument considering MM was very scummy EoD1, something I agreed with Scarlet about, and Baker was very wolfy day 2, which is something I brought up and made a case for.

    anyways this argument is unproductive anyways, gonna think about other things
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    it only takes 1 scum to win the game
    That idea assumes I was absolutely confident that Baker was my buddy and that PoD wasn't bus driving himself since Baker sort of outed him EoD yesterday.
    If anyone should be the subject of paranoia between us it'd definitely be you lol. But I have no reason to be paranoid of you rn so I'm not letting myself be.

    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    if you've already revealed enough why is it so important to not full claim?
    Being, idk, 80% confident in my role is far different being 100% confident
    Building a claim around an interpretation of my words is going to be a LOT more risky than building it off of my claim
    plus like I said, you'd have to try pretty hard to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    the flipside of that argument is that you are going to base your claim off of other people's results
    pff, my claim isn't even gonna sound that believable due to the circumstances surrounding it
    plus I've already revealed enough about my role that you could probably guess it if you tried hard enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbot5679 View Post
    its not impossible, no
    What triad would I be if I were triad? I can't be Triad hidden turned Dragon Head because that would mean you think I attack someone I either know is going to be protected, or, if I thought Baker my buddy, put them in an even worse position than they already were.
    Assessor? In what world do I push MM instead of someone I swapped the flip of? Unless you think MM's flip was fake? Because the game's already over if it was.

    From anybody's perspective, I should be MORE clear than you, although I am willing to claim prior to you (but after the other 2) since my role isn't that significant at this stage of the game.
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