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  1. Forum:Mafia 2.0 Public Test

    Thread:General Beta Feedback

    Thread Author:lawson

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson View Post
    Thanks for keeping this thread going. I think, honestly, we need to focus on adding to the current Mafia 1.0 versus creating a whole new meta with Mafia 2.0. That means we need to take things slow, perhaps introduce things slow. I can't get anyone to join my 2.0 lobbies anymore, they prefer 1.0 overwhelmingly.

    For me, with this beta, the focus has always been not on novelty, but in something that can last. This is why I was one of the first to create my own 2.0 save and tinker with balance on my own terms. At it's current state, 2.0 is a novelty that people enjoy a lot while it is new, but they want to return to a baseline. This is the baseline I have been trying to create with the 2.0 meta.

    That being said, I think the only role that is truly worthy of being added to Maf 1.0 at this state is Poisoner. It's basically the role that Arsonist should have been. If given a NI option checkbox, it would fit in nicely with other NK in the current Mafia 1.0 meta. We may need to look at this not as one big patch, but as a series of patches, where roles are introduced slowly. I think the reality is you guys are going to have to accept that a lot of your ideas will need to be heavily reworked to be something that people will play again, again and again.

    I think you should start by adding Poisoner, and seeing how that turns out. There are a lot of good ideas you guys have, but you have to understand the reality of this. 95% of your ideas won't be worthy of becoming a permanent addition to 1.0. Frinckles tells me "Once I drop this patch you'll never see me again." This attitude is fucking garbage. I'm gonna keep playing this game for maybe another decade if it's still popular in 2030. Listen to me, because I'm never going to leave. I want to see this thing survive. Don't drop a patch and leave just to fulfill some stupid ego creative bullshit you have. I plan to play forever. So I really hope you take me seriously.

    That being said, there are two metas you can play with. The "Goofy Meta" and the "Actual Meta". The "Actual Meta" is 933/8331, baseline Mafia play, which MUST remain consistent (or improved) if the game is to survive. The "Goofy Meta", is a lot of the shit you guys introduce in 2.0, like Chaos Mode. If you want to add all the things you have created in 2.0 to "Chaos Mode" in 1.0, then that sounds swell. 2.0 has been a novelty to the community, so with confining most of the 2.0 additions to "Chaos Mode", you could realistically add all of these new roles to 1.0 without upsetting the Actual Meta. My concern is obviously the Actual Meta, and the only role worthy of adding to that would be Poisoner.

    A criticism I have of some of your roles and why they are incompatible with Mafia can sometimes be reduced to simply the name of the role being out of theme. Mafia's "theme" has always been The Godfather, crime noir, criminals vs police. Some of these roles seem to stray from that, a lot of the new 2.0 roles sound like they belong in World of Warcraft and not Mafia. Enchantress, Armorsmith, Oracle, bruh this is a modern crime game.

    But yeah, for real, just add Poisoner, give him a NI checkbox, and take it from there. Don't look at this like one big patch, look at it like a series of patches. We are ADDING to 1.0, versus creating something new.
    Well, the issue you seem to have with the new roles are roleplay flavour? (If you look at forum Mafia you will find most games don't actually have Mafia flavour also lol)
    If that's really an issue, name changes can always occur. Armoursmith>Tailor or Oracle>Snitch.
    This isn't a modern crime game. It's a text based game upon deception and Mafia is just a roleplay flavour put onto it.

    The chaos modes you talked about, are just that. Modes, not going to be part of the main game, more like a fun side option people can play now and again.

    Mafia 2.0 only exists is because Frinckles has to translate and understanding the patch work coding that D.R. created. And they didn't want to put the updates into Mafia 1.0 because it risked breaking the game. The end goal is just to replace Mafia 1.0 with 2.0 once it's been polished.
  2. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Punishing Racism in Mafia

    Thread Author:Drizzt

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Punishing Racism in Mafia◄◄

    Shut up you cockwombles.
  3. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Punishing Racism in Mafia

    Thread Author:Drizzt

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Punishing Racism in Mafia◄◄

    I think the forums need a discussion mod again. So this repeated garbage arguments that yield nothing but butt hurts can just get locked and thrown away.
  4. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Punishing Racism in Mafia

    Thread Author:Drizzt

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    ►►Re: Punishing Racism in Mafia◄◄

    Basically racism is wrong. Not totally illegal in some countries. America has free speech. Being racist and breaking rules deserves harsher slaps. Put all this through a Brock filter and this is the topic?
    Then comes everyone who needs to get involved because racism is a hot topic. Then those people that pick and twist at all the words and make everything seem worse.
    Then comes the repeated posts everyone always makes eventually and we start going into other hot topics that have been debated a billion times in these forums.

    This accurate?

    If so please go away.
  5. Forum:Mafia 2.0 Public Test

    Thread:General Beta Feedback

    Thread Author:lawson

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: General Beta Feedback◄◄

    Randomise all night actions during party phase.
  6. Forum:Mafia 2.0 Public Test

    Thread:General Beta Feedback

    Thread Author:lawson

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: General Beta Feedback◄◄

    A 1 lynch immunity.
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    ►►Re: Sensitization vs Desensitization◄◄

    You just want to see Helz type. This is why you create such interesting topics to bait him in.
    And each time you do, it amplifies how awesome his replays are... It's as if I just becomes more sensitive to it.
  8. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:?KRC Welcome to the Loony Toon World

    Thread Author:Mike

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    ►►Re: ?KRC Welcome to the Loony Toon World◄◄

    FM-Yosemite Sam is just silly. Trying to confuse people to believe this isn't their main account.
  9. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:?KRC Welcome to the Loony Toon World

    Thread Author:Mike

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: ?KRC Welcome to the Loony Toon World◄◄

    It was a ton of fun. I was hiding my identity until I had used my night ability.
    I saved it for n2 to optimise hitting scum as there would be more reads and information by then.
    It's a shame it was quick topic, much more difficult to have a conversation.
    Managed to get a hard town read on Willie early on.
    Town got super unlucky n1. Gotta say a 8v3v1v1 was difficult for town along with the people who created the most scummy roles where also scum lol.
    I noticed a few role creators used their art to give away they make the role (thot and Kira lol)
    Sylvester was perhaps the only scum I haven't pinned down by EoD3.
    Lola played a great townfolk also, along with the other frog.
    Can't say much about D1 though. I was ill and resting so didn't partake too much.
    Was a fun game! :P
  10. Forum:Circlejerk

    Thread:I did a sex

    Thread Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: I did a sex◄◄

    Oh wait, there is non dragon ball avatar....
  11. Forum:Circlejerk

    Thread:I did a sex

    Thread Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: I did a sex◄◄

    Yey my thread is loved by bots.
  12. ►►Re: Didn't think I was ever gonna post something like this, but AAmirus said to so here we are.◄◄

    This is awesome well done ZZorange <3 Sorry about all the annoyance from me <3
  13. Forum:Mafia 2.0 Public Test

    Thread:General Beta Feedback

    Thread Author:lawson

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson View Post
    I'm pretty sure I said I understood the reasoning for the nerf. I know what you guys are getting at. Just, for something that you don't really have to do, why take away something that gives me pleasure?

    So you guys are gonna take away one of my best roles, fine. Fair point. But I also think your change is weak sauce. Literally read what I wrote. You took away a UNIQUE ability and replaced it with something MANY roles have (a vest). Your new Spy is literally just an Anti-Disguiser. It's trash now. Damn near useless and DEFINITELY WAY MORE BORING. A fucking VEST?! How fun.

    Forum lurkers should listen to people who actually play the game. We're the ones who are gonna be keeping it alive for you to log on every 6 months and play a few rounds.
    Understood. Will be something to take a re-look after the bug stompng is done.
  14. Forum:Mafia 2.0 Public Test

    Thread:General Beta Feedback

    Thread Author:lawson

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: General Beta Feedback◄◄

    Point 5
    The problem wasn't that spys abilty to read mafia chat wasn't a valid way to find mafia.
    The biggest problem was it completly disabled the mafias ability and the whole meta of mafia using night chat to work together. Even if spy wasnt in the game, people just refused to even chat in it, and got used to not chatting.
    So the change was made, with in mind to re-buff the Mafia night chat and hopefully restore using it to further their goals without fear of speaking.
    Mafia is a disscussion based game, and now discussion ability has been restored to the mafia.

    Reguarding its ability, it has still kepted the tracking of mafia kills and visits. So its not just a night immunity left on it.
    But in reguards to the PM ability, that has been discussed (Also back in the early days, Spy could read all PM's as a natural ability) and for now there are no plans to make changes to the PM abilities or meta.

    Point 3
    Sounds more like a bug. isnt to hard to fix.
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    [User Interface] ►►Re: SuperJacks List of Uglies make em Prettys◄◄

    Rolecards
    -Re-Organize order? (Possible for gap to split up neutrals? Catgorize into invests/ n stuff.)
    -Citizen "Wins Ties with Mafia/Town > "Win ties againt mafia/town"?
    -Sheriff poisoner option format error
    -Oracle "You are roleblock Immune" > "You cannot be role-blocked."
    -Enchantress - Is repeled target Informed?
    -Armoursmith - Crimes need fixing
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    [User Interface] ►►SuperJacks List of Uglies make em Prettys◄◄

    Loading Screen
    -Fix outdated links
    -Not all fits on screen? (Double Check - Done, 3rd link cut off)
    -Patchnotes worthless (Since so many patches happened recently)

    Help

    Rules - All up to date?

    Commands - Double check function, Replace some with screen buttons?

    Credits - Mayor update required - (Super-Outdated)

    Unlocks - Delete for now, information can just be placed on site/wiki?

    Achivements - Fine some way to present them better?

    PlayerStats - Reassess with future changes

    Ranked Stats - Remove
  18. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat

    Thread Author:Deantwo

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Deantwo View Post
    My wiki moderator duties for Shores of Hazeron has slowed down a lot, so I haven't really been editing wikis at all for a few months now. I have no real desire to start doing so again right now. ^^;

    Even more so as I haven't played SC2Mafia in ages.
    You can try out mafia 2.0 :P Would love feedback from an older timer
  19. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat

    Thread Author:Deantwo

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Deantwo View Post
    I don't have a VR headset. I just use the flat desktop version of VRChat on Steam with mouse and keyboard.



    I remember there being some rule against advising around here, so I wasn't sure if I should link to stuff right away. ^^;

    The two VRChat worlds I have tried are:




    Murder 4 is pretty fun yeah, I play that with friends a lot.
    >-> Wikichamp return? To help with Wiki for all the roles and new stuff being added to SC2Mafia Mod? >->
  20. Forum:Closed Signups (S-FM)

    Thread:S-FM 331: ?KRC

    Thread Author:Mike

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: ?KRC◄◄

    lol i missed out i forgot to pm. fu mike

    /observe
  21. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat

    Thread Author:Deantwo

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    ►►Re: Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat◄◄

    Also alike a ton of public VR voice chat places, I suspect there will be high level of trolling and discrimination, am o wrong.?
  22. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat

    Thread Author:Deantwo

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    ►►Re: Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat◄◄

    Lol also provide some god.damn links to the stuff you found
  23. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat

    Thread Author:Deantwo

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat◄◄

    Also feel free to return, Wiki is functioning and open to more editing. (Thank aaamiris lol)

    And with Mafia 2.0 the wiki is gonna need major updates.
  24. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat

    Thread Author:Deantwo

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Marfia and Werewolf in VRChat◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Deantwo View Post
    I started playing VRChat a few weeks ago to hang out with some friends and play game. Even though I don't own a VR headset, the desktop version is working fine for me.

    When I first started exploring on there I looked for Marfia and Werewolf games, but they weren't all that popular. But last week I found out that there is a recreation of Town of Salem on there which is actually pretty popular and there are games going on almost all day.

    Note that none of the Marfia or Werewolf games I have seen on VRChat are automatic, they all require someone to be host and do everything manually. This means there are bad hosts and mistakes being made every so often, but it can be pretty fun.

    Anyone else tried playing any Marfia or Werewolf games on VRChat?
    Also, hi all, long time little see.
    Lol look who it is. Hello.

    There is a VR werewolf game named The Werewolf Within, (also a movie is being made based on it lol)

    I've never tried it though. I figured it would be fun but I don't have the right freetime without kids ATM to try it

    I suspect maybe that VR chat game might have a communityin it?

    VR would be awesome, HTC have some nice VR tech like a mouth sensor that helps copy your mouth movements, and soon I think maybe eye tracking tech will be added to some future VR headsets.


    What VR you got?
  25. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:CPI

    Thread Author:Helz

    Post Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: CPI◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I am starting to feel slightly less ignorant on this subject although its dragging me down a rabbit hole
    Lol you live in rabbit holes.
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    ►►Re: Make SuperJack A Sig Competition◄◄

    Can you stop your cat fight plz. Helz is just jealous I didn't pick their sig.
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    ►►Re: Make SuperJack A Sig Competition◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Yes
    You look like my mother.
  28. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Mafia Caravan

    Thread Author:Marshmallow Marshall

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    ►►Re: Mafia Caravan◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    @SuperJack it's summer
    Ok. Well Mafia 2.0, Star Citizen attempts and a few FM games on MU have me pre- occupied. We will see how Mafia 2.0 goes first.
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    ►►Re: Make SuperJack A Sig Competition◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by HentaiManOfPeace View Post
    Nice, can I get $5 now? I'm a single father who lost my job because of that pandemic and that $5 can go a long way for us right now.
    Yup gimme ur paypal info n i will
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    ►►Re: Make SuperJack A Sig Competition◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by HentaiManOfPeace View Post
    Done, bro.
    done, bro.
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    ►►Re: Make SuperJack A Sig Competition◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Aha! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

    Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

    HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!
    BLOODY PEASENT
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    ►►Re: Make SuperJack A Sig Competition◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Bro pizza has not gone up that much in six years.
    I said i'd pay for delivery not the pizza you twat
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    ►►Re: Make SuperJack A Sig Competition◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by HentaiManOfPeace View Post
    gotchu fam

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    I'll add it to my sig if you get an avater.
  34. Forum:Closed Signups (S-FM)

    Thread:S-FM 331: ?KRC

    Thread Author:Mike

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    ►►Re: ?KRC◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    To make this Fun I personally Will Give the MVP $25 Amazon gift card how about that?
    /Sign
  35. Forum:Circlejerk

    Thread:Drugs are bad for you!

    Thread Author:Arsonist

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    ►►Re: Drugs are bad for you!◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I almost believe that this isn't a bot..
    Its the Dragonball Avatars where they go wrong
  36. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Optimal Strategy

    Thread Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: Optimal Strategy◄◄

    Still waiting for solution.
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    ►►Re: All Stars (Old School) Not for the Weak◄◄

    Yuesford has done really well! Super impressed. I was cheering them on!
  38. Forum:Mafia 2.0 Public Test

    Thread:Add more smith-type roles

    Thread Author:Oberon

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    [Miscellaneous Feedback] ►►Re: Add more smith-type roles◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    Did pringles remove it?
    Replaced it with Time Bomber
  39. Forum:Mafia 2.0 Public Test

    Thread:Add more smith-type roles

    Thread Author:Oberon

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    [Miscellaneous Feedback] ►►Re: Add more smith-type roles◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    It does exist

    I played a game a few days ago where someone flipped as Fruit Vendor.

    Not that it does anything except behave like stump for now, the role still does exist.
    Not anym,ore tho
  40. Forum:Mafia 2.0 Public Test

    Thread:Add more smith-type roles

    Thread Author:Oberon

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    [Miscellaneous Feedback] ►►Re: Add more smith-type roles◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    That already exists and is called Fruit Vendor
    It does not exist. Check out Mafia 2.0
  41. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Understanding Sc2 Mafia 101

    Thread Author:VolKov

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    ►►Re: Understanding Sc2 Mafia 101◄◄

    It's always because boobz
  42. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Our hero, our orange, our zz

    Thread Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Our hero, our orange, our zz◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I think, in order to be treated well from your fellow FM folks, a good start would be to reach post count minimums a single game day without relying on spamming game unrelated stuff.
    And trying not to think everyone is out to get you.

    Seriously ZZOrange consider the narrator offer ^^
  43. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Understanding Sc2 Mafia 101

    Thread Author:VolKov

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    ►►Re: Understanding Sc2 Mafia 101◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by HentaiManOfPeace View Post
    Get this troll outta here. What can I expect from someone who worships the ground ZZOrange steps on more than a rich simp for a gaming Asian e-girl wearing a low cut shirt.
    O-o Are you terrible at reading in-between the lines?
  44. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Our hero, our orange, our zz

    Thread Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Our hero, our orange, our zz◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I thought ZZorange was being passively ostracized from the community?
    I don't know. Personally I just hope that ZZOrange develops themselves more. Perhaps if they show they can be fun to play with in Narrator, that it can have a chain effect and help people review their negative opinion on them.
  45. Forum:Mafia 2.0 Public Test

    Thread:Add more smith-type roles

    Thread Author:Oberon

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    [Miscellaneous Feedback] ►►Re: Add more smith-type roles◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    Potentially

    You'd have to limit the charges to at most 2 with that, but it could work

    Or if possible code in a one shot immunity so if they get double attacked in one night they would still die (1-1 vest to attack ratio)



    Would they know who does or does not have items? If not how would they go about using their abilities?
    Last bit was a joke...

    I personally see people quit protective roles as equally as each other, I think people are just as likely to quit bg as they are to quit doc.
    It's not because they are underpowered. It's because the way they impact the game doesn't tend to set them as the protagonist or hero.

    To be fare, the Armoursmith has the quirk of basically handing out gifts and that aspect might be enjoyable for some players.
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    ►►Re: Low effort play test games in #narrator-mafia-bot◄◄

    Bingle-bongle, dingle-dangle, yickety-do yickitey-dah, ping-pong, lippy-tappy, too-tah.
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    ►►Re: Low effort play test games in #narrator-mafia-bot◄◄

    I gave effort? It didn't say that in my rolecard. Perhaps you need to give more rolecard details via pm on discord
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    ►►Re: Opinions on the Bill Cosby case?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    But on the other side, better to release ones needs for drama on people you don't know over those who are closer to you.
    Im good
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    ►►Re: Opinions on the Bill Cosby case?◄◄

    I think it's near impossible to have an accurate opinion. So just ignore w/e
  50. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Our hero, our orange, our zz

    Thread Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Our hero, our orange, our zz◄◄

    Want to play some Narrator later ZZOrange?
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