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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Can't really commit to a game until i know what's going on w/ my college semester, which begins in the last week of august.

    If signups are still around then (which is a mild possiblity) I'll /in if I can.


    Also why do I still have the host permissions on my account but not Gikkle? >:c


    jk, I like nitpicking on stuff like that
    ^

    What he said.
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    Thread:S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II

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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    GGs, that was a painful one.
    as much as i concur

    it wouldn't have been as much if we had a less sleepy town on some of the days
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    Thread:S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II

    Thread Author:MartinGG99

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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    That game was fun folks

    GG and wp to scum
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    ►►Re: Extreme Policing by Staff of Legitimate Play◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    Renegade is like the DNC-worshipping plebbitor on /r/politics screaming about the incoming fascist takeover of America
    For the sake of peaceful discussion can we all agree not to throw direct insults at eachother?

    I know I am not a staff, however it makes everything a lot easier to speak about if neither side gets riled up.
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    ►►Re: Extreme Policing by Staff of Legitimate Play◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    This is a very good point and is what should be discussed here, rather than "BUT FM!!". Generally speaking (and not related to any specific case), I feel like poor play that ends up costing games in the Arcade probably shouldn't be punished, especially considering how unfortunately common they are lol.
    Agreed.


    EDIT: The only stipulation to that would be if a case is severe and blatant enough (like calling out your teammates D1) that there should be a punishment.
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    ►►Re: Extreme Policing by Staff of Legitimate Play◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    It's not fun to be lynched by your scummate who didn't tell you that it was going to happen ahead of time. I hope you play because you have fun.
    It may not be fun, however, if you're experienced enough to figure out "hey, this guy is trying to make a play to win us the game" most of the time happy about it or not you'll go along.

    Or at least I would (I've been on the dealing and receiving end of bussing both planned and unplanned before). In the end it can leave a bad taste in your mouth as well as make you angry maybe if you end up losing because it somehow didn't work, but reportable and punishable? At least imo there are a multitude of other things (for example failing as gov by only lynching town accidentally or not) that could be considered throwing/griefing to a more severe extent.

    Quote Originally Posted by rumox
    In FM which is more relax on yolo bussing this type of play is done by people who have built up personal relationships for months, if not years.
    The concept is the same, the stipulation of "it's okay because you know them" shouldn't really by a factor here. I am all for bussing in both FM and mod, adds more dynamic gameplay for players in potentially tough positions. Just my thoughts.

    in the end this boils down to a person unhappy because a risky play did not work.
  7. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Find me an avatar

    Thread Author:Marshmallow Marshall

    Post Author:Varcron

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    ►►Re: Find me an avatar◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    You win, take my money
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    duh... oli was librarian? XD

    GG folks. And by the way, Norwee, you were absolutely right. But you're such a beautiful wallpaper, I couldn't resist

    Thanks for being such an amazing bus partner Renegade
    GG

    That was a pretty good bus on Ren btw.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Norwee View Post
    Yeah Frinckles feels like a bad vote. Not too opposed to an Stealth wagon now.

    12/15
    As much as Stealth is appearing as scummy I don't think he's the correct lynch D1.

    As much as I townread Frinckles I really dislike his flipping to Stealth as soon as he was voted by him, it just seems like a reactionary vote rather than one with thought behind it. I think that the outlying trains are mostly towny (the ones with one vote on them).

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite
    I could see myself voting for anyone else except Mizery & Frinckles today, I no longer have town feelings toward anyone outside these two.
    This makes me think you're pocketting Mizery (a common townread) and Frinckles as well. The train on stealth although well founded I think is has bad intentions written all over it.

    If Stealth ends up flipping town then I think everyone needs to have a good long look at Loldebite especially
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Oliver/Ren/SB/Martin

    Lag always says I have good D1 reads and there's been plenty to sift through. Two scum in the pool above.**

    As an aside, I like these Mafia rules. But this lobby is full of players who can write walls of bullshit in their sleep, so that's where I'm gonna vote.

    -vote Martingg99




    @EveryoneNotOzy If I die, pillowpush Loldebite D2 and then CFD to Ozy when he doesn't expect it. I am completely serious. ( Í¡° ͜ʖ Í¡°)

    **I'm invoking my Wildcard read on MM because I cannot read him ever. But I agree with Norwee that he's scummy, except that would make him Town in this case cuz' meta.
    I can mostly agree with this, although it appears that Ren is playing his usual towny game based on what I remember previously, being very short and concise in his posts without adding much else to them. In a normal game I think we'd see his usual posting habits as town as well (he's been labelled as wolfy for reads like what he has given this game in the past). IMO Pool is between Oliver/Martin/SB for me and even then I am leaning towards Martin currently, he just doesn't seem like the usual rock solid town Martin and his posts are very, very loose without much content.

    The only thing that gives me pause and kind of confuses me is Loldebite's fixation with Oliver. They've been fixated on him all day like he owes lunch money to them kind of like an exec from the mod.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
    Ehh, I guess the reason some people don't detail their reads is because they see it as "fluff", and this specific post really doesn't strike me as a scumpaint attempt... I guess you're fine enough on this point. That being said, what do you think of Renegade, again?
    Answered in the statement above, but he seems townier than some of you give him credit for in my eyes.

    With that being said I'm going to
    -vote MartinGG99
    , best lynch in my eyes for today. I highly suspect I'm dead N1 just because of lack of pressure against me during the day as well, so it likely won't solve much.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizery View Post
    Oh yeah the colors from varcron's post make it a nightmare to read for me and so if it seems like im not comprehending something someone says who either quotes varcron's posts or responds with the different colors that's why. Headaches.
    I'm sorry for the headache ._. just makes it easier for me to respond to specific stuff rather than quoting everything, I'll start doing that to make your life a bit easier as well.

    I'll respond to more stuff tomorrow, but just for now I do really like your post with the reads etc that you have. For those of you panicked about post counts I still have 10 to use if I'm not mistaken, plenty for the panicked end of day.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I really should change my avatar. Perhaps. Maybe. Someday.


    I think Ozy knows me well enough to know I don't actually think he's equivalent to Ceko in any way lol, it was merely to provide an example to strenghten my point. As for Norwee, what exactly do you not like? He seems lighthearted/carefree enough to me, although that may just be his game personality and not a towntell.



    Propose post rationing measures, propose to vote those wasting posts on pure troll, w/e. Solutions exist, and if Renegade were so keen to prevent the setup's specificities from being detrimental to us, he could easily have said something. Saying a plain nothing about it is just pointing at an obvious issue, bringing nothing new to the table, and it feels like he wants us to think he's thinking about the game without actually doing more.
    I certainly see how he could give a beginning of a read on either of us. I did it with Ozy, after all. Plus, this was just an example of something that would have made sense from him in a town mentality, not an absolute requirement.
    This is merely the development of my point. Formulating complete thoughts when you voice scumreads isn't just "not fluff", it's the right thing to do lol. If anything, it feels like you are the one trying to paint me as a scumpainter for voicing a read on Renegade, or even that you're chainsaw defending him. I'm not sure what your point is; you mean that we are supposed to avoid detailing our reads?

    And in general, calling my posts shitposts in disguise/fluff/etc. seems pretty dishonest, considering they're the ones that generated the most meaningful discussion (if you count Ozy's, which sparked mine, into the streak). What do you think of Renegade himself?
    Your first post primarily was the cause of discussion (of which I already said that was okay, it was a genuine post and genuine vote). It was the later posts that I referred to as fluffy.

    But what post rationing measures are there to point out? I don't really see what he could have said seeing as we have people with sub 5 posts still in this game (myself included). I do see what you mean about making us think of the game more without posting suggestions, however if he is scum that really benefits us more than him as we would have figured out a plan for the town. I'd suggest one myself, however I think the posting habits of basically everyone here currently are to what we should expect in a game such as this.

    Okay, I concede that it could give the beginnings of a read, you made a really good point here.

    For some people it makes more sense to write more lyrical and large posts for their reads, in my eyes though that has a habit of just cluttering things most of the time. Seeing it now what you said worked and caused meaningful interaction with me primarily, but in general the longer (may I say "*fluffier*") posts tend to re iterate previous points without really adding much to it.

    Also I'm not chainsaw defending Ren as much as conversing with you currently and debating on points of your argument.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Norwee View Post
    From MU championship season 8?
    WOW, did not expect to meet you here.

    Bonus townread for nostalgia.


    Also, @Varcron
    Pretty sure that just means "villager"
    Oh, okay, thank you lol. Apparently my brain was functioning at like 2% last night when I made that post (stills stand by everything in there though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norwee
    ll right there's a lot of my chest for this one.


    First of all... Why so little posts so far? I get there's a post limit. But even i, whom has become known as one of the "post wasters" up to now. Still only used 7 posts with this one. So i got more than half left. And the deadline from now on is 1 day and 3 hours. So i am being surprisingly prudent with the posts i've got available in my budget. Should be room for another day of responding.


    Where are the VC's? Guess i gotta make it myself huh.

    [2] Renegade: Marshmallow Marshall, Norwee
    [1] Marshmallow Marshall: OzyWho
    [1] OzyWho: MartinGG99
    [1] Loldebite: Mizery

    [6] Not Voting: oliverz144, Renegade, Varcron, Stealthbomber16, Frinckles, Loldebite


    Now for the posts from each player so far. And who hasn't posted yet.

    Norwee [7]
    OzyWho [6]
    Marshmallow Marshall [4]
    Frinckles [4]
    Mizery [3]
    Loldebite [2]
    Varcron [2]
    Renegade [1]
    Stealthbomber16 [1]
    MartinGG99 [1]
    oliverz144 [0]

    Uh oh, shame on Oliverz144. Everyone else. Good job! But remember the 200 word minimum requirement fellas.


    And now for me to randomly look at each of the posters and just vote for the one that vaguely feels the most scummish.

    Hmmmmm Ehhhh... It's.... you!
    -vote Renegade
    I see where you're coming from judging people on their prudent lack of posts; however, me being like you and usually posting hundreds of tiny posts throughout a game, I'm working really hard to just post one thing with all of my thoughts until other people respond. I'm sure a few of the other usual small posters feel the same way about that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16[QUOTE
    My main concern is that we're going to be risking compressing an entire day into 3 hours before EoD and the wagons are going to be absolutely atrocious
    Definitely could happen which is a bit worrying, but I feel as though with how we have about a day left that shouldn't be a problem considering the post counts currently. Plus it seems like most people have reads on quite a few people, it's just a matter of sharing them at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite
    Idk how I feel about this one. The tipoff to norway makes me feel much better about it, tho. Can't help but feel like varcron is reproaching MM about making a big deal out of fluff, but MM making a deal out of fluff kinda feels like fluff to me, so it feels kinda incoherent to me, idk. I guess it's really not fluff to them.
    That's the point, I disliked how especially his third post made a wall out of the issue he stated in his 1st and 2nd, it was unnecessary and basically threw a post away.

    Honestly though from when I last posted to now there hasn't really been much to respond to.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizery View Post
    MM you should know that comparing Ozy's opener to Ceko saying "see? scum have been out there before!" isn't a fair comparison to make how you're making it. Like yeah, wolves can be shitpost-y it'd be stupid to say they couldn't, but bad form Marshall, Bad form.

    Don't ask me for reasoning, you'll only be wasting both of our posts:

    MM V
    Varcron V


    Not liking Norwee so far but the one game I have played with them the only reason I townread them was because they were mech locked town iirc so there's not much there (I'm Illwei, before you ask.)

    Reserving reads on Martin and Ren for later.

    -vote loldebite
    Okay so I'm not going to respond to most of these other posts that others have commented on just because they've been covered, and I actually have a question about this post.

    What does this mean? Maybe it's because It's pretty late where I am currently but I cannot for the life of me figure that out. Town/Scumread? I honestly have no idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norwee
    Also if he thinks similarly to me then maybe MM isn't a big bad wolf after all, we'll see.
    I don't like the entire "If he's thinking on the same wavelength as me, he must be town!" vibe primarily because of FM experiences in the past where I've had that feeling only to get bamboozled by a scum that thinks the same way as me for some reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
    However, Renny Gator has replied with "I don't know how anyone could take ozy's posts seriously lmao" and all, and a "concern" about the post restrictions being anti-town (which is honestly just stating the obvious), and this, without adding anything more, proposing a solution to anything, or voicing suspicions towards anyone. Like, if he thinks me getting into Ozy's posts is silly and weird, why not question me, or vote me? Conversely, if he thinks I'm right about Ozy's posts, why not attack Ozy? And why just end up posting a "oh noes there is a post limit", which is really just... meh?

    -vote Renegade
    What's he going to do, ask the host for a post limit change? Get outa here with that fluff.
    It was the first post of the day, I don't really see how he could voice his suspicions based on one singular interaction between you and Ozy.
    This is all extraneous fluff, why would you say this other than to scumpaint?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
    Last time we had a game with silly mechanics (everyone had a day gun and could shoot whenever they wanted to), a scum shot another player on their first post on D1 (which was at the very beginning). There was trolling involved in this action, but still - it's far from impossible, it happens, and the extreme WIFOM of "b-but scum would never!" is unhealthy to maintain in some circumstances, such as this one. Being anti-town is, as the words say, anti-town, which means anti-town behavior should not be left alone. Knowing Ozy, I already suspected he was just trying to bait reactions, hence me asking him to draw his conclusions. Considering we don't have many posts, I'd rather limit the shitposting disease as much as possible instead of seeing people having 5 posts left to address actually meaningful stuff xD.
    Again, this is the third post you've wasted on the same point (the above quotes are from the same post).

    Post #1 was a genuine vote to get a reaction

    Post #2 was a shitpost in disguise

    Post #3 was some decent info encompassed in alot of extraneous information that you already stated before, basically only making a wall text to look cool at that point.

    I'm not going to drop a vote right now, as I'd like to see how play develops; however, as much as I really liked MM's attitude in his first post, his next two I have not liked for the reasons stated above. Other reads coming near you.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Few things I'd like to say:

    Honestly I don't know how anyone could take Oxy's first few posts seriously. At least seriously enough to vote Oxy... lmaooooo.

    Second of all, I'm really concerned that the post restrictions do not favor the town, especially early on.
    For sure the post restrictions do not favor town in the early game especially with how we need to converse in order to read each other.

    In terms of opening posts though Ozy wasting three posts isn't really that bad, as you can always make up for it later on with wall texts etc. Not really that worried about it rn is basically what I mean, although it'll be interesting to see how the MM/Ren/Ozy interaction progresses as the day continues.
  16. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

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    ►►Re: starcraft 2 mafia◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I need a tip
    -vote OzyWho


    There's your tip
  17. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:3rd day no kill - guide for town

    Thread Author:Karma

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    ►►Re: 3rd day no kill - guide for town◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsarthus View Post
    I must say this was a professional necro

    This thread was from 2013
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library (11P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Norwee View Post
    Well let's see how it goes. I'm open to new experiences.

    Why we gotta wait 48 hours tho. (((
    Blame @Lag

    cuz why not
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    Thread:Hello everyone

    Thread Author:Norwee

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    ►►Re: Hello everyone◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    PPs should either be squares, like Norwee's or Exeter's, or follow the golden ratio, like mine or Lag's.
    It's confirmed

    MM is a ppist
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library (11P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    /in

    -vote Varcron


    /out
    Get back in or riot
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library (11P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    /sign
    Ruh roe
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library (11P)◄◄

    /sign

    I agree with Ren too.
  23. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

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    ►►Re: starcraft 2 mafia◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Spoiler : HMMMM :





    Spoiler : Who do you think I am?? :
    my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
  24. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Proposed Chaos Mode Addition

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    What I don't really understand is if people are actively enjoying the save why it becomes such a large problem...

    In the past we've had some pretty trollish (like 3 NK saves) or dumb shit like that being hosted and there was never really a problem, people just kind of laughed it off. What's the big problem now?
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    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

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    ►►Re: starcraft 2 mafia◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    why are people replying to this
    cause i can
  26. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Proposed Chaos Mode Addition

    Thread Author:lawson

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson View Post
    I mean let's be real, Elector is CRAZY strong. But how much stronger is it than Bonker? Bonker is also up there in the realm of insanely OP Neutral Evils.

    I designed this save not only to include Elector, but to basically be Elector's wet fucking dream. And it still comes out balanced. HOW? Because I make sure that most towns have abilities they can use at night. Voting is typically the way town wins the game, but versus something that takes your votes, you need another way.

    Vigi chance is insanely high. Vigi > Elector.

    EDIT: Another thing to look at if adding this save is to be taken seriously is the Order of Operations for Elector's ability at night. It comes first, like DEAD first. Elector goes thru bus, Elector goes thru SR! If you did want to move forward with adding my save to Chaos Mode perhaps it should be sent down the list a little bit so Bus can save Mayor, etc.

    EDIT2: Frinckles has a command?
    I can safely say that after playing during the beta and getting 1 chance to play as elector: once mayor reveals it's game over for town if they're in the game. Once they reveal you can yeet their 3-4 votes for yourself, which gives you 5 votes to use to bully town.

    Although I do agree vigi hard counters elector.
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    ►►Re: starcraft 2 mafia◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    play
    u play
  29. Forum:Research and Development

    Thread:Prosecutor & Attorney

    Thread Author:WrathCyber

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    [New Role] ►►Re: Prosecutor & Attorney◄◄

    I like Lag's suggestion so long as both votes are completely separate and are not linked to eachother (or if you can make it seem like someone else is voting for that person, that would be a good way to confuse people).

    There's a very,very fine balance in roles that influence voting power though, of which we discovered in Elector when it was originally put into mafia 2.0 before people removed for being overpowered (although yeeting 4 votes from the mayor was fun lol). I think OP's original suggestion is too self confirmable, so that balance needs to be maintained with something like Lag suggested in the post above.
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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    What is the mod being g referred to?
    The mod as in Starcraft 2's Mafia.
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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus
    Also it’s way more new player friendly to have 24/7 scum chat. I feel like playing your first game ever and roleing scum with no ability to get advice is a fast ticket to somebody never signing again
    That depends I think

    If you have a player who has played the mod before for example (but never FM) they'll understand being thrown in as fresh meat. Plus you can get the scoop and explained everything during the night phase for advice. You just need to get through the first day.
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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    Makes gameplay for both town and scum I think way more interesting, as you can perform really off the wall ideas unlike with night only chat where things can shift during the day and you're back to being headless chickens.
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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    One change that we've been discussing making moving forwards is switching to using 24/7 wolf chats as the default on the site as opposed to the night-only chats from the past.

    Anyone who has heard me talk about the topic knows I greatly prefer 24/7 wolf chat over night-only chat, but before I make my case I want to open the floor to the community to discuss the two options first.
    I agree in the preference of 24/7 wolf chat


    Why? Most setups that have it are more challenging for the wolf, plus I rather being able to do rather interesting strategies during the day, talking it over before executing most times.
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    ►►Re: MU's Mafia Championship, Season 9 - Nominations (vote here!)◄◄

    -vote LagAttack


    take my money.
  35. Forum:Research and Development

    Thread:Jester can kill abstainers

    Thread Author:NzForever

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    [Role Change] ►►Re: Jester can kill abstainers◄◄

    If gov is revealed it's basically an instant gov death just to troll the town, better leave it to RNG as it is a benign role and not an evil role.

    Abstainers being affected could be interesting though and make jester a bit harder to win as.
  36. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Clever Plays?

    Thread Author:Glowbug

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    ►►Re: Clever Plays?◄◄

    The 3rd triad thought you made a good play too by shooting him just cause it worked very well until the end.
  37. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Clever Plays?

    Thread Author:Glowbug

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    Okay I scanned through parts of the replay, specifically the part where you kind of made the dumb and shot your triad buddy

    you and the DH didn't notice it, completely unintentional. I did however notice that you were trying to talk to someone after a lynch that you thought you jailed, I'm assuming that's out of being new (I wasn't able to see points in the replay for some dumb reason)

    DH Blundered with his doc claim, that is 100% on him. Dick move at the end blaming you (seeing as I presume you either haven't played for awhile or are really new) when you did end up making a very good play and fooled the town for a few days, only blunder on your part imo was at the end where you shot and the doc unfortunately healed. You could have played it off maybe by not admitting to be triad, but either way you were in a very rough spot near the end.

    Shit happens, very smart play by you mostly with the error at the end imo. The triad you threw under the bus was basically afk anyways from what I watched.
  38. Forum:Research and Development

    Thread:Poisoner 3 day delay

    Thread Author:Renegade

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremiahSablan View Post
    I mean poisons pierce through almost every protection ever, and unlike arso where he can be RBed from igniting his victims Poisoners poisons can automatically kill their victims. Plus with the kill being delayed you’re most likely never going to be detected by a LO, Detect, Agent/Van. Pretty sure poisoner was really just meant to be a silent but deadly killer… (Plus it wouldn’t really be that fair and fun if one NK could pierce through all protections, can’t easily be detected, and night immune, but the others couldn’t.)
    I'd like to agree except the problem is in it's current form poisoner only really benefits the main evil faction

    SK is much more effective by a long shot, the only NK that could be argued to be weaker could be MM but even then with NI and a bit of luck you can get a spicy spree off. NI or at least a one-two shot night immunity would be ideal for poisoner
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    ►►Re: Official Thank You Thread For Mafia 2.0◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Exeter350 View Post
    And thanks Frinckles for your hard work!
    Amen
  40. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Clever Plays?

    Thread Author:Glowbug

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    What you described if you lost could be considered as unintentional gamethrowing, but in my opinion that would be mostly the DH's problem and not yours (seeing as he encouraged it and you just didn't pay attention).

    For the future I would say that you should be more attentive to who you jail; however, mistakes happen and this likely won't come to anything seeing as you appear to be genuinely concerned and apologetic for what happened.

    Would it be possible for you to post the replay? If not no worries, it'd just show how dumb the DH likely was.
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    ►►Re: Petition : Restore Option for Executioner Night Immunity◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Exeter
    As Rufus says, players can still claim Survivor
    I agree, they could claim survivor.

    But as you know gov typically lynches surv claims unless there is a miracle. How often do you see gov lynch an exec claim that has already won?

    It gives evils more of a shot at claiming a role and be believed than claiming doc, oracle, BG, sheriff (the list goes on)
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    ►►Re: Petition : Restore Option for Executioner Night Immunity◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MrMostache View Post
    A lot of failors and gglantes are too much of cheapskates to use their shots on neutrals. You can still troll as NK the whole game and they won't exe/shoot you.
    That's a community meta problem yet

    People try to be too perfect with their shots, if you got a neutral you shoot the neutral especially if it's an exec or someone claiming to be one


    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack
    Night Immunity. But only available if Survive to end is also on.
    Agreed, this makes the most sense. If that seems to hard what you could do is survive until X day (day 2, 3, 4, 5 as an option) not sure how that would work though.
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    ►►Re: Petition : Restore Option for Executioner Night Immunity◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Varcron View Post
    You didn't read when Ren's point was

    As an NK you can no longer fake claim exec (get shot by vigi) then feign that you are exec and that it confirms you. I used that strategy in 1.0 as well and it works fairly well. Without it it basically removes an element of GF/Arso/SK/MM's gameplay as well as Execs own gameplay.

    I think if survive until the end were implemented and exec were given night immunity it would balance out the role, as it would potentially force town to lynch them.
    What* not when
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    ►►Re: Petition : Restore Option for Executioner Night Immunity◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    Executioner is by far the easiest role to win as. It arguably should have “needs to survive til end on” along with this change to make it have a normal win rate. I get people like being the invulnerable gets to pick who wins person but it’s objectively dumb lol
    You didn't read when Ren's point was

    As an NK you can no longer fake claim exec (get shot by vigi) then feign that you are exec and that it confirms you. I used that strategy in 1.0 as well and it works fairly well. Without it it basically removes an element of GF/Arso/SK/MM's gameplay as well as Execs own gameplay.

    I think if survive until the end were implemented and exec were given night immunity it would balance out the role, as it would potentially force town to lynch them.
  45. Forum:News

    Thread:Promotions

    Thread Author:DJarJar

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    Oh, I forgot to say, Congrats!

    You guys both deserve it.
  46. Forum:News

    Thread:Promotions

    Thread Author:DJarJar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Oh jeez which will abuse me first, Frinkle or Lag? Hmmm
    Both at the same time
  47. Forum:Research and Development

    Thread:Remove JUDGE night chat?

    Thread Author:Arrow

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    [Role Change] ►►Re: Remove JUDGE night chat?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MrMostache View Post
    Judge can also communicate with evils during a court, such as saying "Kill evens", which is pretty much the only useful thing judge can say.

    There is no point in judge speaking at night, because most of the time they would want to stay hidden until they can ambush marshall/mayor.

    In other words, Judge doesn't need the ability to speak at night, so I agree with this change.
    It removes the variety of how you can play as judge though. Where you once had more than one option of gameplay (like witch can pick multiple different things to do to win with evils) you are now restricted to one way.
  48. Forum:Research and Development

    Thread:Remove JUDGE night chat?

    Thread Author:Arrow

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    [Role Change] ►►Re: Remove JUDGE night chat?◄◄

    I actually disagree, this will make govs even less prone to revealing with even a slight chance of judge in the game.

    Not only that, but night chat while not necessary does make things more fun.

    Plus if you are crier and there is no judge you become extremely powerful since evils think there is an extra evil when there actually isn't one. A suggestion could be make it so judge has a charge on how many nights they can talk? That'd probably make the most sense.
  49. Forum:Mafia Bug Archive

    Thread:Double Flower convert to Enforcer

    Thread Author:lawson

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    ►►Re: Double Flower convert to Enforcer◄◄

    I like where you're going with this

    Please make this a thing for future saves if it gets implemented, that would be fascinating to watch.
  50. ►►Re: Remove -prefer -blacklist, mafia2 vest hogging up all the "fun" roles◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RufusPL View Post
    Visiting colored names n1 is just asking for getting MM/Forger/Vanguard/Lookout/Doctor/Bodyguard on the same target. It's not worth the risk.
    Eh I visit them N1 anyways, it's pretty rare that you get called out or pranked by a doc/BG; at least in my experience.

    MM though is a different kettle of fish
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