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    It's not about post count, it's about content (as evidenced by Quizup, who had the most posts, but still wasn't very useful to town). Titus had more posts than I did, but she also basically gave herself away as being mafia in the first 2 days.

    I didn't post as often as I might have liked due to the limitations of having a full time job, but I made my posts count.

    I don't expect players to play "at my skill level". I expect them to play the game they sign up for. Which means actually paying attention to it and investing some time/energy into it. If they can't do that, they should either not sign up, or in the case of an emergency/unforeseen circumstance, ask to be replaced. I said it in the FM 20 epilogue, and I'll say it again here: posting in day chat is the point of the game. At the most fundamental level, mafia is a game about talking with other people. You must either lie to them without getting caught, or figure out which people are lying. Everything else (roles, actions, night chats, mechanics, etc.) is just a means to that end. So if you're not posting in day chat, you're not playing the game, regardless of whether or not you're posting in a night chat.
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    and by "it" I mean this travesty of an ending to an FM.
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    Town did do poorly in this game. I never said they didn't. But they at least had some good players that participated and tried to figure things out (Tapatalk, Clash of Clans, Snapchat, Flappy Bird). Those players were just killed quickly and the rest of the town was about as terrible as your mafia.

    My point wasn't that town deserved to win this game; they didn't. But neither did you.

    Your mafia and the orange mafia from fm 20 are about equally bad. Both had one player that did ok (Damus and titus, respectively) and 3 other players who did fuck all.

    I'm not "grilling" anyone. I'm just calling out the two idiots/gamethrowers that caused it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piano Tiles View Post
    is it unfair that we also had to get a replacement? What about FM20 where scums had an ENTIRE AFK scum but not modkilled due to them using him? you were bg there and you gave complaints. How come you didnt shit on them like you are doing here?
    I did shit on them. I also criticized the host for not modkilling the player who hadn't posted in like 5 days. They were horrible as well. It still doesn't mean this mafia was any less awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piano Tiles View Post
    A lot of your complaining is very highly biassed. What about the old yayap fm where you were mafia and lost that? is that your falt also or everyone elses?

    We deserved to lose on some level because my faction was mostly terrible. The only players who did anything useful were me and Clementine. However the town was also filled with lurkers who got themselves modkilled, so it was about even. I wasn't really upset by that loss.

    Just b/c someone else did something wrong, doesnt mean you are right.

    Town cant win, so they can make someone else lose
    neutral didnt know better due to drug hidden (and dont say he should of known)
    ^"I am saying something that is easily refuted, so don't refute it" No. He should've known. He had all the information. He's an idiot.

    You could of taken us out and then go killing all by yourself but instead you decided to leave it to us to try and do your dirty work (kills).
    Not if I wanted to win. Killing you too fast would leave me extra vulnerable to things like roleblocks, since they would block 2 kills instead of one. Plus, I wouldn't have been able to maintain enough happiness to carry on for very long.

    Did we lurk? yes but thats not really an exuse to say "we are the worst or its all our falt" or anyone elses for that matter.
    Actually, yes it is. But even if it wasn't, you also did a lot of stupid things, like witching/drugging the researcher, changing his win condition from being on your side to on my side. You literally gave one of your allies to one of your enemies.
    I was able to convince him to lynch you. Even if i didnt he didnt care. Look at the stuff we invested into our night chats. Yes some of it is filler stuff but we worked in calaborations.
    Haven't had a chance to read through it yet, but I am very skeptical.

    Unless if you have a unanoums agreemnt on anything you have been comlainging about or suggesting, its all opinionated.
    I read through the dead chat briefly. It was pretty much unanimous that I was the only player in this game deserving of a win. And they had access to your night chat and still didn't think you deserved it. Even your mafia said I should win over you. So it basically was/is "unanoums".

    Quote Originally Posted by Piano Tiles View Post
    What about fm 18(?) where you got culted and "technacly" lost?
    I've never been culted in an FM.

    what about cops and robbers M-FM where you got lynched?
    Well there we no anon accounts, Damus got to choose his target (and chose me), and then for some reason the town decided to give an executioner a free win. But I accept partial responsibility for that as I for some reason couldn't convince anyone not to lynch me.
    What about any fm (any size) you have been in? what makes tose any diffrent from this?
    Well in the most recent FM, I was in a weird place mentally that made it probably the worst game I've ever played as far as my performance was concerned (the game itself was great), so I probably deserved to lose based on my merit alone, but the rest of the town did decently enough to pull out the win anyway.

    What about any other fm where scums lurked to victory? Porios game scums basicly did just that while town imploded. Whats their excuse?
    It wasn't the most active game for any of us, but saying we lurked to victory is still incorrect. Especially since one of our members had a death in their family and decided to keep playing anyway. Plus, the town in that game did pretty poorly.
    Not that any of that is relevant to this game at all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2048 View Post
    Lol, wtf?

    Why are you getting so upset? Talk about butt sore
    If you don't understand why a person would be upset that after investing a lot of time into a game, doing everything right, meticulously planning everything, and setting themselves up to win only to have victory taken from them at the last second due to the stupidity of two other people, and instead given to the faction that put in the least effort, who are also strong contenders for the worst faction ever in the history of this site, then I can't help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2048 View Post
    Considering you had to better odds, it was best to go against you then. You were 1 v 1 v 2(but maybe didn't know it), but 1 still won.
    No. Get this through your thick, empty skull: You had 0% chance of winning unless me and the mafia both did something really really fucking stupid. Since I am not a dumbfuck, that was not going to happen. So you had a 0% chance of victory. Your only job was to choose who won. The serial killer who basically is the only reason mafia didn't fucking annihilate town even though they lurked all fucking game, or the mafia who lurked all fucking game. You chose the mafia.

    Now please stop talking. Your incompetence is starting to piss me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2048 View Post
    That would have only happened if Piano targeted you and failed.... Only if he was really stupid he would have targeted you. His best bet was to kill the Researcher in the end in case I was the SK
    No, you were obviously town. Attacking you would have been foolish. His best and only chance of victory was not killing and hoping you sided with him. In every other scenario, I would win.
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    And for the record, Piano was obviously lying about negative happiness. I was about to explain this, but you had already voted. Though it should've been obvious anyway.

    And to be honest you should have known that town was a lost cause anyway. because what would have happened that night is I would've killed Fruit ninja, then you would've had to decide the winner between me and mafia.

    Instead you made the decision a day early and gave the win to the lurkiest fucking mafia ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2048 View Post
    That was my best option. However, Mafia and SK knew who each other were by that point. So that chance of survived ended right there.
    Everyone knew who everyone was. There were only 4 players left, it was pretty obvious. What you should have hoped for, is that I wouldn't realize that killing mafia allowed researcher to betray me and win with you.

    Not that I wouldn't know who it was. Especially since you claimed town at the beginning of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2048 View Post
    Apo didn't trust Piano, but there wasn't many options.
    Your best option was to no-lynch and hope that me and the mafia killed each other at night.

    You even said it yourself at the beginning of the day, then you voted for a lynch anyway. It makes no fucking sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Words with Friends View Post
    Kik, he absolutely did not, especially if his interpretation of the witch role mirrored mine. Yeah, he had a rough start but he had an excellent end game. Sometimes lurking was the best strategy. I didn't "take over" the town like I normally do because the town was doing such an excellent job for scum anyway there was no need. If FN lurked too hard and town had doubts, he was dead. There was a fine line and FN walked it relatively well.

    Your game was easier Kik in one way because you were effectively immune to the mafia kill. FN lacked that immunity. Even when outed, there was always a chance FN could side with the town or DD.

    I still don't think FN played better than you (the start was bad) but he still did a decent job.
    He didn't know he was witched thanks to the feedback block, so his interpretation of the way the witch worked is irrelevant. What he did know is that he chose to visit 3 people and someone blocked his feedback, meaning a 4th person must have visited him, thereby changing his win condition. I actually disagree with the hosts' decision to consider his win condition as feedback and not tell him that it changed, but this shouldn't have affected the game because he should have figured it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by United Nations View Post
    Fun Fact: on the day where town rush lynched Fall Down at the last minute, QuizUp had you jailed and ready to execute.
    Heh. I wasn't even on that train...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Words with Friends View Post
    Kik, you're forgetting the common sense definition of the word "force". Forcing someone to do something naturally includes preventing them from doing what you don't want to do. It's not much "force" on a Sheriff if a witch doesn't stop the Sheriff from checking his original target. To say that a party with multiple targets still visits some of them is arbitrary and makes no sense with a role that forces others to do what it wants.
    I get what you're saying, but tbh this is a pretty standard iteration of the witch. In most (if not all) FMs I've played in which a witch was possible, the witch could only alter the first target of its victim.

    The hosts probably should have specified this to be safe, but I think most people assumed it would work as the hosts intended it to work. Next time if something isn't specified, instead of assuming you know how it works, just ask. I ask seemingly obvious/stupid questions to hosts about my role all the time because if something is not stated explicitly I'd rather ask a seemingly dumb question and be 100% sure of how my role operates than make an assumption and get burned for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Words with Friends View Post
    Oh I forgot, Honorable Mention to Fruit Ninja. Yeah you didn't know your wincon changed but you did an excellent job of playing to your wincon as you believed it to be. It was insanely difficult to live to the last day when outed as "not town".
    He had all the information to know his win condition. He should have known what it was. Furthermore, I can't say I agree that he "did an excellent job" since he acted so scummy that he had to claim on day 2, then proceeded to lurk while everyone ignored him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Words with Friends View Post
    Kik, killing me early on really nerfed scum in production. I was supposedly the face and production planner. Our production went a little haywire allowing town to pick up wonders and what not after I died.
    Fun fact: I almost killed Quizup instead of you that night because I thought Quizup was mafia too. But in the end I figured I could get him lynched, so I decided to kill you instead.
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    Eh, I don't think the setup implies that the witch prevents the target from visiting anyone.

    Witch Role card:
    At night, you may visit a player and force them to visit another player. There will be feedback for the witched. 3 usages.
    Force them to visit another player only implies that you get to make them visit one person, not that you also can prevent them from visiting other people.
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    Thanks for hosting PoD and Orpz. 'twas a good game.

    Here are some of my thoughts on the game:

    I have learned from this game that I dislike the concept of a role with a dynamic win condition. I think a big part of mafia is assessing how other players will act, and in order to really do that you must know every role's win condition. The challenge then becomes figuring out which players have which roles. Having a role with an unknown win condition makes it so that even when you know the player has that role, they are still impossible to predict, which means you can't reliably plan your actions around them.

    I did, however, enjoy the mechanic wherein a citizen lynch gave the sk a double kill. And no, it's not just because I was the sk . I think it was cool that the game had a mechanic which actively discouraged lynching citizens, because I've played many games in which citizens felt they had to claim power roles in order to not get mislynched because claiming citizen led to an "oh well, we won't lose much if we're wrong" kind of mentality that pushed people to lynch them anyway. So this mechanic actually made the lynch of a power role preferable in some cases, which was cool.

    As to the happiness/production mechanic, it was an interesting one, but I'm not sure how much it added to the game. Even though I killed every night and performed 3 additional kills, I still would have ended the game with positive happiness if I lived another night. So any other role should have easily maintained positive happiness. I think it ended up being a gate on production spending rather than a gate on night actions. Then again, some of the production stuff was pretty powerful, so maybe that was the intention all along.

    I also thought my +3 happiness perk was bit weak compared to the others (namely TPRs and Warmongers). All the other ones were useful regardless of the game state, but mine only was useful if the researcher was alive. And even then it proved useless because the researcher was publicly known on day 2. It might have been a bit better if I would also have learned his win condition/get updates on it if it changes, but it wouldn't have mattered much in this game, since every time I was about to get 3 happiness, I got a double kill and had to spend it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piano Tiles View Post
    I kept my promise to not kill 2048 and I also let the neutral decide the outcome...

    He decided this game by dying...
    Yeah 2048 was stupid to trust you. It was an obvious lie. I had more than -3 happiness and I killed every single night, not to mention the double kills. And 2048 should've known that even if you were telling the truth, there's no way he would win. I consider that borderline gamethrowing.

    And the researcher actually was on my side, and the hosts made it obvious to him that this was the case, but he still voted against me...

    So I basically lost because of a double gamethrow. Fantastic.
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    I see no reason why your word on that would be any more trustworthy than anything else you say. But even if it was, like I said, it's pretty obvious who the neutral would side with between scum and town.

    Quote Originally Posted by Piano Tiles View Post
    Otherwise we just have an endgame where you will lose.
    We shall see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kik View Post
    You cannot cause me to lose. If town ( 2048 ) were to go along with that plan and lynch me, he would not be able to trust that you would not simply kill tonight and ensure your win, so I doubt he would go for that plan. And even if he did trust you, Fruit Ninja (assuming his win condition has not yet changed) could win with either of you, and I'm willing to bet he would side with mafia over town. I'm just guessing now, but I'm fairly sure that 2048 would agree with this assessment (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, 2048 ).
    Damn smilies... Fixed.
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    You cannot cause me to lose. If town (204 were to go along with that plan and lynch me, he would not be able to trust that you would not simply kill tonight and ensure your win, so I doubt he would go for that plan. And even if he did trust you, Fruit Ninja (assuming his win condition has not yet changed) could win with either of you, and I'm willing to bet he would side with mafia over town. I'm just guessing now, but I'm fairly sure that 2048 would agree with this assessment (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, 204.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2048 View Post
    So then are you SK?
    I am Indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2048 View Post
    So you don't claim SK, but Mafia instead?
    Looks that way.
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    It doesn't look like a lynch is happening, so can we just skip day instead of waiting another 9 hours? I'll wait if I must, but it seems like a waste of time.
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    Since any lynch guarantees a town loss, I am perfectly fine with skipping the day and letting things play out as they will.

    -vote skip
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    Sorry I've been inactive today. Work takes up a lot of my time, and when I finished working yesterday all I wanted to do was sleep. Hopefully this weekend I'll be more active assuming I survive that long.

    Also just to provide some food for thought here: I see one of the main reasons people are voting instagram is that he is more likely to be sk than angry birds because angry birds is thought to most likely be mafia. But has anyone considered the possibility that maybe it was wrong to assume that Angry birds is mafia and that maybe he's actually the sk? I haven't seen the buddying between him and other players that people keep claiming to have seen. And no one has provided evidence iirc, so I feel like it's just one of those things that someone made up and then it just caught on somehow.

    That being said, the votes are currently tied and if someone doesn't switch there will be a no lynch which is basically a guaranteed loss for us. And I probably won't get to post again before day ends because of work, a short lunch break, and getting off at the same time day ends. So I'm going to put my vote on instagram so that at least there is a chance of a lynch today, which means a chance (albeit small) of victory. I really hope you're right about this one, CtR.

    -vote instagram


    Lynch scum. Godspeed, guys and gal.
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    Oh, and nothing happened to me last night.
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    Wow. Quizup was actually town?! What the fuck?!

    For a town, he used some really scummy tactics in his posts. Yeesh.

    At least the DD did us a solid and killed another mafia.
    Scum kills:
    Town: 0
    DD: 2

    DD = Town MVP

    In an attempt to unseat the DD from his Town MVP throne let's do this:
    -vote Angry Birds


    Been saying he's scum for a while now. Pls lynch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush Saga View Post
    how much time is left?
    4 hours.
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    I'm about to head to work, and given this town's propensity for early hammers, I may not be around again before day's end unless I get some time during lunch. So just in case, I'm switching my vote to Temple Run.

    -vote Temple Run


    I've decided that since town didn't really discuss WC, Temple Run getting the extra vote is more likely a sign of scum than town. Plus, looking back at his posts, they've mostly been worthless, so I doubt someone who has been useless to town during the day has secretly spent their production at night to try and benefit town. It doesn't add up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Instagram View Post
    Day 2 Lynch on Vine: What needs to be understood about this lynch is what information the warmongers likely had. I would like to direct attention to this post by Tapatalk to start of the meta behind this lynch.



    In this post one can conclude a doctor soft claim from Tapatalk as an explanation for his death, by the fact that both Warmongers and Doomsday attacked Tapatalk it seems to have been somewhat obvious amongst scum roles. Add this to the fact the Warmonger know that Vine is not a Warmonger. Warmongers have a very good reason to have Vine lynched. It does present a risk of killing the Doomsday too early, but the odds are clearly in their favor.

    Based on this meta, I concluded that Warmongers are likely to be on this lynch. It also presents plausibility for the Doomsday to be on the lynch, in that case making Angry Birds the Doomsday, however this is inconclusive because there are 4 Warmongers for the Doomsday to worry about.

    Vine (10 [L-0]): Words with Friends, Cut the Rope, Kik, Quizup, Fruit Ninja, Temple Run, Angry Birds?, Candy Crush Saga (Mayor)

    Note: The reason for Quizup and Cut the Rope as marked as town is explained in the next section.

    Day 3 Lynch on Fall Down: What needs to be understood about this lynch is the gambit immediately preceding it. Prior to this lynch we were scattered. I presented a gambit that unified the town on Cut the Rope, but retracted my claim leaving us wondering where to turn. This created a very rapid train on Fall Down on completely unfounded logic. (Yes, after reviewing the theory I had based my vote on I found it to be impossible as Tailor isn't even the role list....) Because of this I find it highly unlikely for Warmongers to be sitting on this train. HOWEVER, there came a time when the train slowed down and the Warmongers may have desired to push the lynch. My conclusion is that the earlier in the train the less likely to be Warmonger.

    Two votes I'd like to mention specifically on this link are



    Claimed sheep, he is voting at the end after everyone has voted. He indicates no belief in the logic thereby covering himself in the case of a mis-lynch. This could be because he is a peaceseeker that really wants a lynch to go through or a warmonger that would like to protect himself.





    Same argument applies as with 2048. In this case the evidence is stronger however because it is the hammer, and also because of his participation in the mis-lynch on Vine.

    With that said my final conclusion is that everyone on this train is Peaceseeker with the exception of 2048 and Temple Run.

    Fall Down (8 [L-0]): Quizup, Clash of Clans, Instagram, Flappy Bird, Cut the Rope, 4pics1word, 2048?, Temple Run

    In conclusion we determine a scum team of Temple Run, Words with Friends, Kik, with either 2048, or Angry Birds for the final warmonger.

    We also conclude that Quizup, Clash of Clans, Instagram, Flappy Bird, Cut the Rope, and 4pics1word are likely peaceseeker.
    None of this makes any sense. It's all based on the premise that Tapatalk's post was interpreted as a doc softclaim, which I highly doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cut the Rope View Post
    Kik looks like we are synergizing! Exactly! That's my thoughts from the start of the day. Temple Run is the right lynch.

    Do you have any questions towards that end? Any clarification at all that this lynch is the right thing to do?
    I just can't decide if he's town trying to correct for our inactive mayor, or mafia pushing for earlier control of the lynch.

    Though I don't think I agree with your bit about lynching a peaceful today...I'm not entirely convinced (read: not at all convinced) that we should trust the sk to win the game for us. I mean, he does want to kill mafia at some point, sure, but he probably wants us dead first... And even if he does kill mafia, he'll just get 2 kpn and we won't be much better off than we are now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    Then convince me not to kill you.
    Since I don't believe you and thus don't really care what you think about me, no.

    Looking at Temple Run I think his extra vote is a key part of the issue.

    If he's scum, I doubt he's the sk because the sk would probably have no desire to bring itself attention like that, and the extra vote wouldn't do much for an sk, since it would only give the sk an edge really late in the game by which point, if the sk is still alive, it has probably already won the game.

    It definitely makes sense for mafia though. They have the resources to push for an international building since they can just pool all their production every night. And their main strength in the late game (aside from their night kill) is their voting block, so it makes sense for them to want another vote.

    So if Temple Run is scum he's probably mafia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cut the Rope View Post
    I don't honestly believe you are town with this amount of derp but the only way town will win the game is if you are town and you jail and execute tonight correctly is what I think.
    No, jailing takes the place of lynching. So if a correct jail could win us the game, so could a correct lynch. Which is why I'd prefer to get a good lynch today, because not only do I not trust that Quizup is town to begin with, but if he is, he'll probably just execute me, which is effectively the same as a mislynch.

    That being said, our votes are pretty fragmented right now. We need to decide on a lynch train and push it through. By the looks of things, the current candidates are: BloonsTD, Temple Run, and Angry Birds. Of those, my preference is Angry Birds, but I am going to look over Temple Run and see how I feel about him. I was already leaning scum on him, but I need a bit more before I vote him. Or if someone wants to try to convince me that either angry Birds is town, or that Temple Run is scummier than Angry Birds, I'd be open to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kik View Post
    I am just simply of repeating myself.
    *I am simply tired of repeating myself.

    And apparently also tired because I did not notice this typo until now. Oh well. Conversation is just going in circles right now anyway. I'm off for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cut the Rope View Post
    Kik - Link me please sorry I missed it. And since we have our two lynches you can hold off on the claim since I'm pretty sure scum is the only one asking
    Just this once.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kik View Post
    Morning lady and gents. Once again, nothing of interest happened to me last night.
    Highlighted in green for your convenience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    A one shot ability that can only be used on a Day with a no lynch. How often do those happen, Kik?

    I love how you don't even remember why you are going after angry birds. Is the game not worth even minimal effort at this point?

    Oh, and you haven't claimed. You should do that now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    ...

    The fact that my role can be easily confirmed means it is essentially confirmed. The testability of it makes scum unlikely to claim it, because a fakeclaim when the real role is in the game results in their death. Ergo, I am the jailor, and you are being stupid.

    Your attacks against Temple Run are bad. I will not support them, especially not when we have obv scum.

    Kik: And yet you still aren't saying why you're suspicious. Keep derping, please.
    Except that since there is a scum version of the role it actually isn't confirmable at all. So scum version can claim it just as easily as town version. And the only way for us to tell the difference is if a sheriff checks the claimer.

    You contradicted yourself, btw. If your role is "easily confirmable" that would mean there would be more than one opportunity to confirm yourself which invalidates your whole "scum would use the execution as soon as they get the chance" bullshit.

    I never said I was suspicious. But I assume you meant Angry Birds, in which case- I am just simply of repeating myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    A one shot ability that can only be used on a Day with a no lynch. How often do those happen, Kik?

    I love how you don't even remember why you are going after angry birds. Is the game not worth even minimal effort at this point?

    Oh, and you haven't claimed. You should do that now.
    Doesn't matter how often they happen. Scum isn't going to use it on night one if they're smart.

    I didn't say I didn't remember why I FoS him. I said I didn't remember who made the big case on him. But there you go again trying to twist my words.

    And as I still think the claim plan is just as stupid and futile as it was on day 1 when Vine suggested it, I will not be participating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cut the Rope View Post
    Now if you're town why the FUCK are you not listening to Flappy Birds, Clash of Clans, myself (the conf townie) Instagram (who is somewhere on planet earth and better fucking log in) and voting with a Fruit Ninja that has conspired to fuck everyone over? I'm willing to win this game my trusting my fellow townies. How about you Quizup?

    Kik - Claim and day four feedback.
    I already claimed my day four feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    No. Right now we need doomsday and the warmongers to go after each other. Try to take them both down, and we lose.

    Kik: Why do you think Angry Birds is scum?

    You do realize I'm confirmed town, correct? A scum version of my role would have a killed a townie on Night 1. I didn't, and all it takes is a nolynch to prove my role.
    Reasons I've stated before as well as those stated by others. I forget who made the main case on him (I want to say Cut the Rope, but I'm not sure).

    You're not confirmed. Scum wouldn't use a 1-shot ability on night 1. Good try though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    I'm not lynching Temple Run, Rope. He might be doomsday, but he's not a warmonger.
    This is an incredibly scummy sentiment, given that the doomsday killer is our highest priority lynch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    Yeah, they're all town. The answer to your question is obvious: none of the scum team were online.

    Why are you voting for angry birds again?
    Because I think he's scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    Rope: Bad. Anyone who spent 4 or more on EC night 1 has 8 production per night now.

    I'm starting the massclaim. Hi, I'm the jailor. I jailed no one on Night 1, because I was an idiot and didn't read my role properly. I have no had an opportunity since.

    Everyone should claim in their next post, with all relevant info.
    Not buying the claim. It's too easy for scum, especially since there's a scum equivalent of the role.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    We. Can't. Do. That.

    Half the players aren't even likely to show up toDay and you want to orchestrate a complicated massclaim?
    You're the one who started the mass claim... see above quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    Scum on scum violence?

    Kik: You know, I actually think everyone on the Fall Down lynch was, and that's why you're bringing it up.

    Everyone else: Thoughts on a massclaim?
    Everyone on the Fall Down lynch was... scum? not possible? Town? Possible, but highly unlikely.

    The scum want town dead. Why would they miss an opportunity to add votes to ensure a mislynch? Especially with the train switching so many times that close to day's end. They must have wanted to seize the mislynch opportunity and ensure an extra town death.

    But you trying to bury this will be noted.

    As to the massclaim: bad plan. Scum will just claim citizen and we'll be painting targets on the backs of our remaining PRs.
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    Morning lady and gents. Once again, nothing of interest happened to me last night.

    Shame about Clash and Flappy. I doubt anyone has changed their minds on Quizup over night, so instead of wasting time on that today, I'll just put my vote on Angry Birds for now since he's my second biggest scum read.

    -vote Angry Birds


    I'm seeing a couple of votes on Bloons, but no case against him. I currently don't see him as scum, but if someone wants to make a case, I might be persuaded to vote him if the logic is sound.

    Also- could we PLEASE for the love of tits stop hammering early? Yesterday's hammer was better than day 2's (only an hour early compared to three) but I needed that extra hour since the hammer came down right as I got off work, meaning I had no chance to post before the lynch.

    These are the people that voted for the Fall Down lynch:
    Quizup, Clash of Clans, Instagram, Flappy Bird, Cut the Rope, 4pics1word, 2048, Temple Run

    I'm betting some of those people are scum. I'm sure you can all guess one of the voters I think is scum... Even aside from Quizup though, I think 4pics1word and temple run are prime suspects. I still lean town on 2048, but I'm keeping an eye on him too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    Not even Temple Run.

    Oh hi Kik. Thanks for the bus, it's very helpful.
    I find it humorous that you're smug even though you have no cause to be. Whatever. I'll just let you continue to dig your own grave. *grabs popcorn*

    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    Bzzt.

    You've doubtcasted, but you've asked for explanations on approximately zero (0) reads.
    I don't want your bullshit explanations. They won't achieve anything.
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    My reads, in gradient form:
    Kik
    Candy Crush Saga

    Flappy Bird
    Clash of Clans

    Instagram
    Cut The Rope

    2048
    Bloons TD

    Fruit Ninja
    Temple Run
    Fall Down
    4pics1word
    Piano Tiles
    Angry Birds
    QuizUp

    If anyone wants me to explain these a bit more, I can. But I think most of them are probably self explanatory.
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    Anyway, since no one besides CtR seems to agree with my Quizup read, and Quizup is just discrediting/strawman-ing/twisting my words (which for some reason everyone else seems to be fine with overlooking in order to call him town), I'm going to drop it for now because it's going nowhere.

    In the meantime:
    -vote Angry Birds
    . He's got 6 posts, all of which are pretty worthless, and he hasn't been replaced, which is a bit odd. He's my second highest scumspect right now after Quizup.

    And of course, I'm also down to lynch Fruit Ninja if we decide that Quizup and/or Angry Birds aren't the way to go, but if we can keep him alive then someone gets a lure tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clash of Clans View Post
    *slight suspicion you're actually drunk*

    If Quizup or Cut the Rope are aligned scum, I'll publicly confess my mafia skill is complete shit
    I'll remember this when you see that I'm right about Quizup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizup View Post
    ...
    It's a joke. (But seriously, none of those people are scum (unless Cut the Rope is Doomsday, which, eh).) Reasons?

    Oh and Kik dear, all of my reads are easily justified. If you think they're bullshit, why not call me out? (Hint: It's because you know they're not bullshit.)
    I could've sworn I just did that... Let me double check... Oh, good. Yes. Yes I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2048 View Post
    I've never done one myself before, but I understand the basic concept. What do -you- use to create them?
    I won't divulge my own methods simply because that exposes them and potentially makes my codes easier to crack. However, you can use basically any method you like to devise them so long as 1. it's difficult to crack (ie. can't be done by a program/AI/humans/etc.) 2. you can explain it. ie. saying your code is XWEFNNNMT and then the next day saying the solution is "cheese" doesn't really work if you can't explain it, because otherwise any idiot disguiser could just "solve" a code however they want without getting caught, which defeats the point of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clash of Clans View Post
    Except his/her reads matched mine eerily closely
    You had posted your reads on d2, had you not? That makes it even easier for him- He could've just copied yours, moved my name to the scum side, and posted it. I don't see why this makes him any more likely to be town than any other player.
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