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BTW if you want more players the best way is more personal connections & quality of the ux and less game set up.

There's a reason MU is doing so well, and there's a reason certain players do better in filling games. I came here for Lag and joined games because of Lag.

BTW if you want more players the best way is more personal connections & quality of the ux and less game set up.

There's a reason MU is doing so well, and there's a reason certain players do better in filling games. I came here for Lag and joined games because of Lag.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;967086]The [I]-Mafia-[/I] game inside SC2. The predecessor to games like ToS and ToL.

Yah idk why people call it mod tbh. In SC2 they're called arcade maps, in SC1 they're called UMS maps, in WC3 they're called custom maps. I guess "mod" refers to everything user made in every game ever?[/QUOTE]

Tbh I didn't know any of this history so all very interesting ty

Originally Posted by OzyWho

The -Mafia- game inside SC2. The predecessor to games like ToS and ToL.

Yah idk why people call it mod tbh. In SC2 they're called arcade maps, in SC1 they're called UMS maps, in WC3 they're called custom maps. I guess "mod" refers to everything user made in every game ever?

Tbh I didn't know any of this history so all very interesting ty

As someone who plays mostly on other sites, and is used to the 24/7 scum I'd say the benefits of 24/7 are:
- it's [B]much[/B] more fun to be scum. You build stronger relationships, you banter more, and, you get to laugh at village more
- it is much easier as scum. Because of both the stronger relationships and constant communication it's just easier to coordinate...which is the advantage of scum
- it makes being scum for the first few times easier. You can get coached live and get live feedback

Given you can rebalanced to favour town I think it is better to have 24/7 chat purely to help ppl learn to scum...and enjoy being scum more

As someone who plays mostly on other sites, and is used to the 24/7 scum I'd say the benefits of 24/7 are:
- it's much more fun to be scum. You build stronger relationships, you banter more, and, you get to laugh at village more
- it is much easier as scum. Because of both the stronger relationships and constant communication it's just easier to coordinate...which is the advantage of scum
- it makes being scum for the first few times easier. You can get coached live and get live feedback

Given you can rebalanced to favour town I think it is better to have 24/7 chat purely to help ppl learn to scum...and enjoy being scum more

What is the mod being g referred to?

What is the mod being g referred to?

Lol what a game

Lol what a game

So where I am is I'm still on Cecko as being a good yeet. His defences and moves scream TMI/defence etc. There's no logic or consistency behind his moves. He doesn't seem to be struggling behind a fog of war

I think I still like MM because he is seemingly fighting the juggernaut. This is good.

Martin's shot is worse than mine because its based on [I]personal meta [/I]he doesn't think he can persuade people about. Thats not good imo. What were you worried about?

So where I am is I'm still on Cecko as being a good yeet. His defences and moves scream TMI/defence etc. There's no logic or consistency behind his moves. He doesn't seem to be struggling behind a fog of war

I think I still like MM because he is seemingly fighting the juggernaut. This is good.

Martin's shot is worse than mine because its based on personal meta he doesn't think he can persuade people about. Thats not good imo. What were you worried about?

[QUOTE=DoctorZeus;966402]Seems there is some communication- the [B][I]wolves[/I][/B] only wins when:
- [I][B]wolves[/B][/I] can overpower town with votes
- town has no more kp

So if town KP (shots) can't recover the balance I'm assuming game is over[/QUOTE]

Sorry ebwop

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus

Seems there is some communication- the wolves only wins when:
- wolves can overpower town with votes
- town has no more kp

So if town KP (shots) can't recover the balance I'm assuming game is over

Sorry ebwop

Seems there is some communication- the town only wins when:
- mafia can overpower town with votes
- town has no more kp

So if town KP (shots) can't recover the balance I'm assuming game is over

Seems there is some communication- the town only wins when:
- mafia can overpower town with votes
- town has no more kp

So if town KP (shots) can't recover the balance I'm assuming game is over

[QUOTE=theoneceko;966355]ah, i was gonna vote mm but the mafia can hammer him

UwU[/QUOTE]


Wouldn't that be really obvious though?

Originally Posted by theoneceko

ah, i was gonna vote mm but the mafia can hammer him

UwU

Wouldn't that be really obvious though?

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;966349]did somebody order....WORD SOUP?


mm town because many tiny reasons

but a recent reason I found is like if MM were mafia then he would be thinking oberon is obv-towning and would be trying to look like his thoughts are more strongly aligned with oberon

he used "+1" a few times or so and I do feel like "+1" in terms of tone is more supportive in the sense that it supports an idea regardless of considering who said it


DrZ town because I sympathize with his pissed off tone in shooting oberon

I also have a few theories as to why he acted that way (and therefore it would be something he can't easily emulate as wolf) but I think its best if I don't mention them yet. @[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=46062"]DoctorZeus[/URL] assuming the game hasn't gone to hell yet why did you shoot Oberon, gimme all your reasons

Channel Miner is town just because of his 2nd post and that he's new to FM, also doesn't seem to have a sense of urgency in being here despite having only two posts (a new wolf would be more sensitive to that I think)[/QUOTE]

Hey [MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION] it was a mix of:
1) Being infuriated with him because he was exceptionally rude
2) I thought he was a wolf

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

did somebody order....WORD SOUP?


mm town because many tiny reasons

but a recent reason I found is like if MM were mafia then he would be thinking oberon is obv-towning and would be trying to look like his thoughts are more strongly aligned with oberon

he used "+1" a few times or so and I do feel like "+1" in terms of tone is more supportive in the sense that it supports an idea regardless of considering who said it


DrZ town because I sympathize with his pissed off tone in shooting oberon

I also have a few theories as to why he acted that way (and therefore it would be something he can't easily emulate as wolf) but I think its best if I don't mention them yet. @DoctorZeus assuming the game hasn't gone to hell yet why did you shoot Oberon, gimme all your reasons

Channel Miner is town just because of his 2nd post and that he's new to FM, also doesn't seem to have a sense of urgency in being here despite having only two posts (a new wolf would be more sensitive to that I think)

Hey @MartinGG99 it was a mix of:
1) Being infuriated with him because he was exceptionally rude
2) I thought he was a wolf

Well fuck you then

[B][COLOR=#00FFFF]-daykill @[/COLOR][/B][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/member.php/45595-Oberon"][COLOR=#F8F8F8]Oberon[/COLOR][/URL]

@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=15807"]Stealthbomber16[/URL]

Well fuck you then

-daykill @Oberon

@Stealthbomber16

[QUOTE=Oberon;966324]FOR THE LOVE OF GOD please do not lynch/daykill anyone for 48 hours. I'm planning on reading this entire game in my spyglass mode to detect bullshit
if anyone hammers or day kills before then, I will fucking kill you[/QUOTE]

Followed by this:

[QUOTE=Oberon;966325]ALSO we should seriously consider punishing Martin by day killing him today[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Oberon

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD please do not lynch/daykill anyone for 48 hours. I'm planning on reading this entire game in my spyglass mode to detect bullshit
if anyone hammers or day kills before then, I will fucking kill you

Followed by this:

Originally Posted by Oberon

ALSO we should seriously consider punishing Martin by day killing him today

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;966328][vote]MartinGG99[/vote]

No. You're more rational than that. You were the one talking about certainty and all earlier. You don't shoot people "for the lols" as town. Ceko? Maaaaybe, even though it sucks. You? Absolutely not. You know what I think? You were afraid I would shoot you (or that you would get quickly lynched) because I said I was beginning to reconsider Ceko, and you didn't want your team to lose a shot.

Hell, we even DISCUSSED the fact we shouldn't shoot people. If Ceko's behavior was highly questionable, yours is just unforgivable lol.

Again, since it needs to be said:
[CENTER][SIZE=7][class=effect]DO NOT SHOOT PEOPLE IF YOU ARE TOWN, USE LYNCH INSTEAD, IT'S MORE INFORMATIVE AND ALLOWS YOU TO SHOOT LATEGAME IF NEEDED[/class][/SIZE][/CENTER]
[/QUOTE]

How did you do this

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

-vote MartinGG99

No. You're more rational than that. You were the one talking about certainty and all earlier. You don't shoot people "for the lols" as town. Ceko? Maaaaybe, even though it sucks. You? Absolutely not. You know what I think? You were afraid I would shoot you (or that you would get quickly lynched) because I said I was beginning to reconsider Ceko, and you didn't want your team to lose a shot.

Hell, we even DISCUSSED the fact we shouldn't shoot people. If Ceko's behavior was highly questionable, yours is just unforgivable lol.

Again, since it needs to be said:

DO NOT SHOOT PEOPLE IF YOU ARE TOWN, USE LYNCH INSTEAD, IT'S MORE INFORMATIVE AND ALLOWS YOU TO SHOOT LATEGAME IF NEEDED

How did you do this

I have a theory- but- ppl really really shouldn't jump in to support Martin in explaining himself

I have a theory- but- ppl really really shouldn't jump in to support Martin in explaining himself

Brad was [B]not [/B]wolfy.

Martin why did you shoot him?

Why are ppl shooting ppl they aren't even wolf reading

Brad was not wolfy.

Martin why did you shoot him?

Why are ppl shooting ppl they aren't even wolf reading

These communists are all cowards

These communists are all cowards

[QUOTE=BradLand;966247]You know, I was reading page 3 and I was like "Oh...DoctorZeus is in this game...neat-o."

And then I come back here and you're posting and talking to me specifically.

What a coincidence!

Also why is your picture a plate of food you instagram thot?[/QUOTE]

I was playing my first game here whilst out for dinner and cba'd resizing....so now I'm roast beef.

And I love it

Originally Posted by BradLand

You know, I was reading page 3 and I was like "Oh...DoctorZeus is in this game...neat-o."

And then I come back here and you're posting and talking to me specifically.

What a coincidence!

Also why is your picture a plate of food you instagram thot?

I was playing my first game here whilst out for dinner and cba'd resizing....so now I'm roast beef.

And I love it

Martin is over explaining

But in a natural way

He clearly wants us to believe what he's saying and keep us up

Idgi tbh

Martin is over explaining

But in a natural way

He clearly wants us to believe what he's saying and keep us up

Idgi tbh

[QUOTE=BradLand;966241]I feel like Martin is hosting a kids show with the way he's explaining the terminology and acronyms.[/QUOTE]

OK I might go back n read him

Also- sup tiger grr

Originally Posted by BradLand

I feel like Martin is hosting a kids show with the way he's explaining the terminology and acronyms.

OK I might go back n read him

Also- sup tiger grr

Oberon has sussed everyone

Except cecko. Who he's defended whilst voting

This is scum all the way through.

Oberon has sussed everyone

Except cecko. Who he's defended whilst voting

This is scum all the way through.

[QUOTE=Oberon;966175]Also since you guys like game theory so much, Ceko has acted so anti-town that if we make it to LyLo and he is still alive and we are not sure who to lynch, there's a high likelihood he will be Mafia.[/QUOTE]

Lol you are so mafia

Originally Posted by Oberon

Also since you guys like game theory so much, Ceko has acted so anti-town that if we make it to LyLo and he is still alive and we are not sure who to lynch, there's a high likelihood he will be Mafia.

Lol you are so mafia

[QUOTE=oliverz144;966147]white knighting[/QUOTE]

Cuz it doesn't feel like actually defending Oberon.

Hes attacking me + my case

I find "wk" to he when they argue someone's v not attack the w case

Originally Posted by oliverz144

white knighting

Cuz it doesn't feel like actually defending Oberon.

Hes attacking me + my case

I find "wk" to he when they argue someone's v not attack the w case

[QUOTE=theoneceko;966143]elaborate

Why?[/QUOTE]

Two ppl asked me the same question before you and I answered

Originally Posted by theoneceko

elaborate

Why?

Two ppl asked me the same question before you and I answered

I'm also being trolled by cecko now so I'm just kinda convinced

I'm also being trolled by cecko now so I'm just kinda convinced

[QUOTE=oliverz144;966137]after kek flips s
how do we know it masnt wk?[/QUOTE]

What's wk?

Originally Posted by oliverz144

after kek flips s
how do we know it masnt wk?

What's wk?

@mm - it's not super serious but Oberon been wolfy imo and laboured their vote on cecko

Then cecko made that weird "your case is bad" post

So...both indepxenteyl wolfy and seem quite paired

@mm - it's not super serious but Oberon been wolfy imo and laboured their vote on cecko

Then cecko made that weird "your case is bad" post

So...both indepxenteyl wolfy and seem quite paired

[QUOTE=oliverz144;966126]elaborate[/QUOTE]

Cecko put an Attack on me to defend Oberon in a really sideye way

Oberon had the weird wifom long post on cekco

Originally Posted by oliverz144

elaborate

Cecko put an Attack on me to defend Oberon in a really sideye way

Oberon had the weird wifom long post on cekco

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;966128]ok then...
theres a plane
planes have copilots
you acted like someone had called you a trash bag or something
martin pretended it was an imaginary copilot
we laughed
the end

:calix:

pls no XD

Yesn't. I will let Oberon defend himself on this point, but I don't think he's necessarily completely wrong.


It's not pregame and it's not meta lol, it's very recent.

Anyway, what do you think we should do with Ceko?[/QUOTE]

Kill ceko.

Wolf siding, not towny posting, killing villagers.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

ok then...
theres a plane
planes have copilots
you acted like someone had called you a trash bag or something
martin pretended it was an imaginary copilot
we laughed
the end



pls no XD

Yesn't. I will let Oberon defend himself on this point, but I don't think he's necessarily completely wrong.


It's not pregame and it's not meta lol, it's very recent.

Anyway, what do you think we should do with Ceko?

Kill ceko.

Wolf siding, not towny posting, killing villagers.

[QUOTE=Oberon;966121]Nope. Getting a read on people wins games. Mechanically trying to figure out the optimal play á la game theory [B]loses[/B] games.[/QUOTE]

OK my read on you is you are chucking out reads that aren't logical/real based on my experience.

Your longest read was wifomy and seemed to serve no purpose- we obv need to kill cecko and it just seems really....pointless?

The guy shot one of the strongest villagers I know. Without asking questions. The chance of shooting mafia at random is low.

Hes probably not town and DEFINITELY not town siding

Originally Posted by Oberon

Nope. Getting a read on people wins games. Mechanically trying to figure out the optimal play á la game theory loses games.

OK my read on you is you are chucking out reads that aren't logical/real based on my experience.

Your longest read was wifomy and seemed to serve no purpose- we obv need to kill cecko and it just seems really....pointless?

The guy shot one of the strongest villagers I know. Without asking questions. The chance of shooting mafia at random is low.

Hes probably not town and DEFINITELY not town siding

[QUOTE=Oberon;966116]I want to day kill MM, he is starting at us from the bushes with his French eyes. Creepy[/QUOTE]

What is this reas? Do you mean it or is it a joke?

Originally Posted by Oberon

I want to day kill MM, he is starting at us from the bushes with his French eyes. Creepy

What is this reas? Do you mean it or is it a joke?

Cecko-oberon w-w

Cecko-oberon w-w

[QUOTE=Oberon;966115]Wrong. I am Town and [B]never[/B]​ do that so that point is garbage.[/QUOTE]

Well you should

It wins games

Originally Posted by Oberon

Wrong. I am Town and never​ do that so that point is garbage.

Well you should

It wins games

theoneceko cool! Good point!

theoneceko cool! Good point!

God this I'd frustrating

Oberon I'll respond when I can actually see what you've said

God this I'd frustrating

Oberon I'll respond when I can actually see what you've said

Also- MM, it's not angle shooting to use things that happened pre game.

Meta is pre game, how someone played in a past game is pre game, stuff ppl say pre game about non mafia things is fine too

Also- MM, it's not angle shooting to use things that happened pre game.

Meta is pre game, how someone played in a past game is pre game, stuff ppl say pre game about non mafia things is fine too

I cant quite but Oberon that case on Martin is whack.

Town [B]always[/B] does & should go in to analysis of what the optimal play is

It's the point of mech

I dont even know what Martins point is, I just know your line is whack

I cant quite but Oberon that case on Martin is whack.

Town always does & should go in to analysis of what the optimal play is

It's the point of mech

I dont even know what Martins point is, I just know your line is whack

Yh cool Martin, just leave me like that

Yh cool Martin, just leave me like that

My mobile cuts off the bottom of posts

Pain

My mobile cuts off the bottom of posts

Pain

Sup ppl I know

We always kill gecko todya

[VOTE]theoneceko[/VOTE]

Sup ppl I know

We always kill gecko todya

-vote theoneceko

Hullo

Hullo

[VOTE]lag[/VOTE]

Lags the most impressive villager I've played with in a long time and is a v good wolf too

-vote lag

Lags the most impressive villager I've played with in a long time and is a v good wolf too

Oops yes Martin is right.

Oops yes Martin is right.

On balance and mechs!

Game was clearly very balanced- look at the ending. Throughout the game it never felt like one side was running away with it, and each time someone was caught it was for proper game play reasons, nothing noddy. Potentially there were too many cop mechanics, but, meh, it didn't seem that much of a problem once you realise Purple's was fake.

On mechs-
- I really didn't like max posting dynamics. It led to spam & toxicity and I ended up skimming over a lot of the thread when it was going on
- The shopper role was *chefs kiss*. I'd play a game designed around that & other economics stuff. I can only believe wolves were able to strategise around it a bit better but I think that's unavoidable. Really fund dynamic
- I wasn't a huge fan of renaming triad to mafia and having no mafia team. It felt like it encouraged WIFOM'y reasoning & felt a bit off to me given "everyone expects there to be a mafia faction." When we started flipping triads the fair assumption is there is another mafia team....especially with the fact the triads had that move to find mafia. Personally- it felt like a macguffin to me. I didn't feel rewarded when we worked out it was just mafia.

On flavour- great right ups garden gnome! I'd really really love if there was a way for everyone's role submissions to be flavour specific- something we could all try next time!!!

On balance and mechs!

Game was clearly very balanced- look at the ending. Throughout the game it never felt like one side was running away with it, and each time someone was caught it was for proper game play reasons, nothing noddy. Potentially there were too many cop mechanics, but, meh, it didn't seem that much of a problem once you realise Purple's was fake.

On mechs-
- I really didn't like max posting dynamics. It led to spam & toxicity and I ended up skimming over a lot of the thread when it was going on
- The shopper role was *chefs kiss*. I'd play a game designed around that & other economics stuff. I can only believe wolves were able to strategise around it a bit better but I think that's unavoidable. Really fund dynamic
- I wasn't a huge fan of renaming triad to mafia and having no mafia team. It felt like it encouraged WIFOM'y reasoning & felt a bit off to me given "everyone expects there to be a mafia faction." When we started flipping triads the fair assumption is there is another mafia team....especially with the fact the triads had that move to find mafia. Personally- it felt like a macguffin to me. I didn't feel rewarded when we worked out it was just mafia.

On flavour- great right ups garden gnome! I'd really really love if there was a way for everyone's role submissions to be flavour specific- something we could all try next time!!!

GG I was father & sun

My guesses were:
Phraze = earless Artiste
Grant or hollowkatt = cbi agent

That game was really fun at the start when I was puzzling, but, I think I played my role card wrong- should have holstered it for longer till we reached closer to end game & it was more mechanically useful.

I also never should have gone back on my read on you Guillo! I was convinced you were town, then, realised we HAD to kill Myopia, I knew they'd be healed. Still don't get why OhNo claimed that the mafia didn't have a healing potion.

Earless getting mischopped was so sad :(

gg mafia you did good.

I vote [VOTE]FM-ITs Something[/VOTE] for MVP because catching Kitty early was super important to town win- and- it was such a big call to make as death was the prize for getting it wrong.

Purple-Stealth bomber seconds (P.S. Sorry Stealth for not leaving a last will...)

GG I was father & sun

My guesses were:
Phraze = earless Artiste
Grant or hollowkatt = cbi agent

That game was really fun at the start when I was puzzling, but, I think I played my role card wrong- should have holstered it for longer till we reached closer to end game & it was more mechanically useful.

I also never should have gone back on my read on you Guillo! I was convinced you were town, then, realised we HAD to kill Myopia, I knew they'd be healed. Still don't get why OhNo claimed that the mafia didn't have a healing potion.

Earless getting mischopped was so sad

gg mafia you did good.

I vote

-vote FM-ITs Something

for MVP because catching Kitty early was super important to town win- and- it was such a big call to make as death was the prize for getting it wrong.

Purple-Stealth bomber seconds (P.S. Sorry Stealth for not leaving a last will...)

[QUOTE=Gikkle;956279]Bluekang is less vindictive than I remember him but idk if that means anything[/QUOTE]

lol I bet eating a ban is part of this.

I don't get the bluekang vindictive meta though. I've always found him thoroughly pleasant

Originally Posted by Gikkle

Bluekang is less vindictive than I remember him but idk if that means anything

lol I bet eating a ban is part of this.

I don't get the bluekang vindictive meta though. I've always found him thoroughly pleasant

bump for first page.

[B]Hollowkatt is null, i don't think his indignation [/B] [MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION] you didn't finish your answer

bump for first page.

Hollowkatt is null, i don't think his indignation @Loldebite you didn't finish your answer

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;956260]Point 1: I know about Deck Mafia Discord. Yeah, TMI, maybe I should not have read the rules eh?[/QUOTE]

Cults are in discord as a role

Jesters are cards playable in game

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Point 1: I know about Deck Mafia Discord. Yeah, TMI, maybe I should not have read the rules eh?

Cults are in discord as a role

Jesters are cards playable in game

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;956258]If you want to see a real tunnel, check DoctorZeus.[/QUOTE]

Its true!

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

If you want to see a real tunnel, check DoctorZeus.

Its true!

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;956226]Ooof.

Rip vBulletin skins.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. I hate dark mode smh

Ah well

Anyway thats a fun interlude.

VOTE PQRN GUY

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Ooof.

Rip vBulletin skins.

Indeed. I hate dark mode smh

Ah well

Anyway thats a fun interlude.

VOTE PQRN GUY

Ok turns out it was the skin I was using

Ok turns out it was the skin I was using