December 20th, 2016, 07:36 PM
[IMG]https://gifdanceparty.giphy.com/assets/dancers/smooch.gif[/IMG]
On this note, I'm going to take my leave.
#PTB
On this note, I'm going to take my leave.
#PTB
December 20th, 2016, 07:21 PM
[QUOTE=MattZed;663178]This. There's always room for improvement, and I think Sino realizes where. But in general, if a town is being scumread, it's the fault of the reader. Town should usually strive to make themselves as obvious as they can to their teammates, but I wouldn't look at this as a main focus for how to improve. The best way for someone to townread you is to find a scum and get them lynched after going after them aggressively. If you want to be townread, improve your scumreading skills, and then people will naturally read you as town.[/QUOTE]
Townies need to focus on proper scum-hunting above all else.
If you are scum-hunting well, you will inevitably be town-read.
It does not matter if you are wrong in your pushes because your sincerity should be apparent to the players.
It's the WAY that you push people that matters.
Originally Posted by
MattZed
This. There's always room for improvement, and I think Sino realizes where. But in general, if a town is being scumread, it's the fault of the reader. Town should usually strive to make themselves as obvious as they can to their teammates, but I wouldn't look at this as a main focus for how to improve. The best way for someone to townread you is to find a scum and get them lynched after going after them aggressively. If you want to be townread, improve your scumreading skills, and then people will naturally read you as town.
Townies need to focus on proper scum-hunting above all else.
If you are scum-hunting well, you will inevitably be town-read.
It does not matter if you are wrong in your pushes because your sincerity should be apparent to the players.
It's the WAY that you push people that matters.
December 20th, 2016, 07:06 PM
[QUOTE=Sino;663161]Btw Calix, it's hard to tell, but i really hope you had fun D1, the game was over afterwards anyways.
I liked the trolling part.[/QUOTE]
:D
I really want to know how DWs reacts to all of this, lol.
Originally Posted by
Sino
Btw Calix, it's hard to tell, but i really hope you had fun D1, the game was over afterwards anyways.
I liked the trolling part.
I really want to know how DWs reacts to all of this, lol.
December 20th, 2016, 07:02 PM
[QUOTE=ika;663156]i actualy bmed silverwolf to do a sex scene in thred with me[/QUOTE]
Lovely.
Found new nightmare fodder :)
Originally Posted by
ika
i actualy bmed silverwolf to do a sex scene in thred with me
Lovely.
Found new nightmare fodder
December 20th, 2016, 06:59 PM
[COLOR=#00ff00]Is there a scum chat?[/COLOR]
Is there a scum chat?
December 20th, 2016, 06:56 PM
[QUOTE=DarknessB;663140]I'm going to take a deep breath before I yell. Breath in, breath out:
DUDE, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU WANT PEOPLE TO START VOTING YOU. YOU'RE TOWN. THE IDEA IS TO PROVE TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE TOWN, NOT SHIFT VOTES ON YOURSELF GIVEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE TOWN. PLEASE ABANDON THIS HORRENDOUS STRATEGY WHICH HAS FAILED IN MULTIPLE GAMES NOW. IT'S FINE TO HAVE FUN, BUT WHEN YOU TANK EVERY GAME AS TOWN, IT MAKES THE OTHER TOWNIES NOT HAVE FUN ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ACT SUPER SCUMMY AND END UP FLIPPING TOWN EACH TIME!
SP, please man -- for the love of God. You seem like a nice person -- please just take this criticism to heart and stop doing this. There's almost never any good reason to act scummy to generate votes on yourself as a Town member. Please just do this for me or Calix or Unknown or anyone else who appreciates sensible Town play. No more deliberately scummy shit for discussion purposes. I'm begging you...
UPDATE: You tried something very similar in BFN and it failed miserably there too. There's really no reason ever to make yourself seem scummy, especially when you have issues being mislynched in games to begin with...[/QUOTE]
This wins the thread.
If you're town, you don't want people spending a load of time talking about you. Why would you? You already know your alignment.
Originally Posted by
DarknessB
I'm going to take a deep breath before I yell. Breath in, breath out:
DUDE, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU WANT PEOPLE TO START VOTING YOU. YOU'RE TOWN. THE IDEA IS TO PROVE TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE TOWN, NOT SHIFT VOTES ON YOURSELF GIVEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE TOWN. PLEASE ABANDON THIS HORRENDOUS STRATEGY WHICH HAS FAILED IN MULTIPLE GAMES NOW. IT'S FINE TO HAVE FUN, BUT WHEN YOU TANK EVERY GAME AS TOWN, IT MAKES THE OTHER TOWNIES NOT HAVE FUN ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ACT SUPER SCUMMY AND END UP FLIPPING TOWN EACH TIME!
SP, please man -- for the love of God. You seem like a nice person -- please just take this criticism to heart and stop doing this. There's almost never any good reason to act scummy to generate votes on yourself as a Town member. Please just do this for me or Calix or Unknown or anyone else who appreciates sensible Town play. No more deliberately scummy shit for discussion purposes. I'm begging you...
UPDATE: You tried something very similar in BFN and it failed miserably there too. There's really no reason ever to make yourself seem scummy, especially when you have issues being mislynched in games to begin with...
This wins the thread.
If you're town, you don't want people spending a load of time talking about you. Why would you? You already know your alignment.
December 20th, 2016, 06:54 PM
I don't actually give a shit about the MVP. I had the scum pinned down by Day 2 despite being blackmailed. That's objectively true.
I don't need people defending or throwing shade there, there's nothing to discuss.
I don't actually give a shit about the MVP. I had the scum pinned down by Day 2 despite being blackmailed. That's objectively true.
I don't need people defending or throwing shade there, there's nothing to discuss.
December 20th, 2016, 06:52 PM
[QUOTE=ika;663130]then you should of taken it up to crpt/unknown (who was dead at the time), if everything loosk contradctpry ask an outside source (crypt who is fm admin) for what should be allowed or whats not.
its still the fault of both host and player at that point becasue again, its up to you to ask for more details and if needed, get a 3rd party involved to have it straigented out. and the falut of gyr for not seeing that himself or even asking.
but hey my sig is still a thing: host cant fix the stupid or random that happened[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ika;663131]"im gonna discredit more becasue i cant prove my point and im sour about the game"[/QUOTE]
You need to work on your trolling.
Originally Posted by
ika
then you should of taken it up to crpt/unknown (who was dead at the time), if everything loosk contradctpry ask an outside source (crypt who is fm admin) for what should be allowed or whats not.
its still the fault of both host and player at that point becasue again, its up to you to ask for more details and if needed, get a 3rd party involved to have it straigented out. and the falut of gyr for not seeing that himself or even asking.
but hey my sig is still a thing: host cant fix the stupid or random that happened
Originally Posted by
ika
"im gonna discredit more becasue i cant prove my point and im sour about the game"
You need to work on your trolling.
December 20th, 2016, 06:50 PM
I love ika saying that an uninformed role that can win with town being read as town is the hardest thing to do.
That is hilarious.
I love ika saying that an uninformed role that can win with town being read as town is the hardest thing to do.
That is hilarious.
December 20th, 2016, 06:46 PM
[QUOTE=ika;663115]if i got balckmailed to not use vowels i would laugh and have a ball. iirc @[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=10188"]MattZed[/URL] has done it before.
if you want to dump the PMs you could and we could look at it cus while yes gry had a few mistakes i thnk overall he did the best he could fo knoing xmas is wound the corner
the fact you had no idea what you were doing is falt on you, you should of pmed gry for clarifcation and if it was still odd keep askign untill it was clear cut. again not the hosts fault but a players fault[/QUOTE]
My point is that he contradicted himself on several occasions when I was asking him "yo what's allowed with my BM?" and whatever..so how am I supposed to know what to do when he doesn't explain it properly?
I sent him like, 40 PMs.
The last PM he sent me before the mod-kill was "you can post normally because you're going to die at EOD" - how else do I take that but "hey I can post normally now because I'm dead anyway?"
Originally Posted by
ika
if i got balckmailed to not use vowels i would laugh and have a ball. iirc @
MattZed has done it before.
if you want to dump the PMs you could and we could look at it cus while yes gry had a few mistakes i thnk overall he did the best he could fo knoing xmas is wound the corner
the fact you had no idea what you were doing is falt on you, you should of pmed gry for clarifcation and if it was still odd keep askign untill it was clear cut. again not the hosts fault but a players fault
My point is that he contradicted himself on several occasions when I was asking him "yo what's allowed with my BM?" and whatever..so how am I supposed to know what to do when he doesn't explain it properly?
I sent him like, 40 PMs.
The last PM he sent me before the mod-kill was "you can post normally because you're going to die at EOD" - how else do I take that but "hey I can post normally now because I'm dead anyway?"
December 20th, 2016, 06:44 PM
I was shocked that MZ was town.
After he made that "I trust that you're of the appropriate alignment" comment, I was so sure that he was Neutral doing the same gambit as Hell Frog, lol.
I was shocked that MZ was town.
After he made that "I trust that you're of the appropriate alignment" comment, I was so sure that he was Neutral doing the same gambit as Hell Frog, lol.
December 20th, 2016, 06:41 PM
[QUOTE=Unknown1234;663107][vote]Gyrlander[/vote][/QUOTE]
I can get behind voting the host MVP
[vote]Gyrlander[/vote]
Originally Posted by
Unknown1234
I can get behind voting the host MVP
-vote Gyrlander
December 20th, 2016, 06:39 PM
[QUOTE=ika;663102]if he saids that, then that absicly breaks the whole point of BMer rolecard to begin with and that it bascily encourages people to go "well fuck blackmiler im dead man walking"
im not apologizing to you. i aplogized to gyr for it, you deserved to eat the dead.
if this is his 3rd game (i dont keep track of peoples hosted games), then i would consdier getting a co-host next time
again, if its messy wording. its up to us (the players) and the FM staff to see such things before it gets going. I msot times dont see that stuff untill game time becasue thats when i have an alignemnt and a role behind me and i reanalize it in dpeth after thinking more about it.
seeing what gry said to claix, i would argue thats not letting "players play" thats jsut "ok im gonna favor town now" i think the best application to it would of been to say "yes you broke blackmail but you cna still post till end of day under rescrtion"
going "well screw blackmail you failed it" is giving town so much more power and is unfair to scum. the least impactful thing would of been to say "you cna continue to post till EOD but you must follow the rescrtion still" cus then otherwise bmer is bascily useless in the sense that it only get a kill.[/QUOTE]
From my point of view, the host deliberately went out of his way to fuck me over.
I know you won't care but he gave me a slew of inconsistent rulings, posts, orders, etc. I had no idea what I was doing. It was the worst hosting I have ever dealt with. You would be angry too if you saw the PMs I got from him.
I'm not the one who should be apologising.
Blackmailer is extremely scum-sided. It gave the scum a free KPN - that's extremely powerful in a setup where the scum aren't supposed to have kills. Just nuke it and be done with it. I can't believe people actually think it's a good role. It does nothing for games.
Originally Posted by
ika
if he saids that, then that absicly breaks the whole point of BMer rolecard to begin with and that it bascily encourages people to go "well fuck blackmiler im dead man walking"
im not apologizing to you. i aplogized to gyr for it, you deserved to eat the dead.
if this is his 3rd game (i dont keep track of peoples hosted games), then i would consdier getting a co-host next time
again, if its messy wording. its up to us (the players) and the FM staff to see such things before it gets going. I msot times dont see that stuff untill game time becasue thats when i have an alignemnt and a role behind me and i reanalize it in dpeth after thinking more about it.
seeing what gry said to claix, i would argue thats not letting "players play" thats jsut "ok im gonna favor town now" i think the best application to it would of been to say "yes you broke blackmail but you cna still post till end of day under rescrtion"
going "well screw blackmail you failed it" is giving town so much more power and is unfair to scum. the least impactful thing would of been to say "you cna continue to post till EOD but you must follow the rescrtion still" cus then otherwise bmer is bascily useless in the sense that it only get a kill.
From my point of view, the host deliberately went out of his way to fuck me over.
I know you won't care but he gave me a slew of inconsistent rulings, posts, orders, etc. I had no idea what I was doing. It was the worst hosting I have ever dealt with. You would be angry too if you saw the PMs I got from him.
I'm not the one who should be apologising.
Blackmailer is extremely scum-sided. It gave the scum a free KPN - that's extremely powerful in a setup where the scum aren't supposed to have kills. Just nuke it and be done with it. I can't believe people actually think it's a good role. It does nothing for games.
December 20th, 2016, 06:25 PM
[QUOTE=ika;663093]I took it up to gyr becasue as a host we cant change it. if the rolecard says "if they fail they die" there should be no warning, she should of just died at EOD when she broke it first time with the : (yes that is a punctuation mark). after she broke it with the read lsit and continued i was fine with her dying at EOD. but when she basicly went "fuck it" thats not doing it anymore, thats jsut breaking not only your wincon (eating the modkill), but the spirit of the game (well i broke it so im gonna post normal now)
i already aplogized that i word lawyered it and that it is something i do basicly outside of alignement. I do agree with the ideal of "host needs to apporve" or something (cus frankly i could of chained 20 difrent resctions together with commas and joint words looking at it) but this was gyrs first game so i do give him a lot of creidt
for the first game he did a fair job overall.
blackmailer is one of those roles that jsut needs ot be proprly cared of[/QUOTE]
Gyrlander told me that I was going to die at EOD and [B]specifically [/B]told me that I was allowed to post normally.
I did not break the blackmail with the intent of dying straight away. I posted normally AFTER he said I would die at EOD because I had no incentive to keep posting like a retard.
That's why I'm angry.
Apology for 'word lawyering' accepted.
This is his [B]third [/B]game. He needs to learn a lesson for future games.
Blackmailer is not a role that should exist. SC2 is a site that already has issues with lurkers. Blackmailer does not help with this and I was essentially punished for playing the game.
That is a toxic thing to reinforce on this site.
Originally Posted by
ika
I took it up to gyr becasue as a host we cant change it. if the rolecard says "if they fail they die" there should be no warning, she should of just died at EOD when she broke it first time with the : (yes that is a punctuation mark). after she broke it with the read lsit and continued i was fine with her dying at EOD. but when she basicly went "fuck it" thats not doing it anymore, thats jsut breaking not only your wincon (eating the modkill), but the spirit of the game (well i broke it so im gonna post normal now)
i already aplogized that i word lawyered it and that it is something i do basicly outside of alignement. I do agree with the ideal of "host needs to apporve" or something (cus frankly i could of chained 20 difrent resctions together with commas and joint words looking at it) but this was gyrs first game so i do give him a lot of creidt
for the first game he did a fair job overall.
blackmailer is one of those roles that jsut needs ot be proprly cared of
Gyrlander told me that I was going to die at EOD and specifically told me that I was allowed to post normally.
I did not break the blackmail with the intent of dying straight away. I posted normally AFTER he said I would die at EOD because I had no incentive to keep posting like a retard.
That's why I'm angry.
Apology for 'word lawyering' accepted.
This is his third game. He needs to learn a lesson for future games.
Blackmailer is not a role that should exist. SC2 is a site that already has issues with lurkers. Blackmailer does not help with this and I was essentially punished for playing the game.
That is a toxic thing to reinforce on this site.
December 20th, 2016, 05:30 PM
[QUOTE=ika;663070]ok here let me give my insight on how your modkill was not only blaitnety gamethowring, but also agaisnt the spirit of the game
here the blackmailer rolecard:
the highlighted is what you broke. not only did you decide to break your blackmail and eat a modkill you decided to say "fuck this game"
i took the wording of the rolecard and said this is what it says.
the fault is onus on you due to the fact that you neevr brought it up in review or signups
as for the neutral claim, i was already under supcion and could of been lynched, claiming neutral was my only chance at survival cus if i got lynch it would of outed me right away. the other idea was to get the neutral to cc me or think i was empress doing so
so kindly fuck off if you have ocncers about this you can take it to mods[/QUOTE]
It says in the exact same rolecard that I die "automatically at the end of the day"
You were not under any suspicion. yzb asked for the Neut to claim. You immediately claimed in response. Fake-claiming Neutral guarantees that the real Neutral hits you. This conveniently helps your partner win.
I'm calling bullshit. The fact that you two are being so aggressive about a perfectly justified suspicion only strengthens my case against you two.
Originally Posted by
ika
ok here let me give my insight on how your modkill was not only blaitnety gamethowring, but also agaisnt the spirit of the game
here the blackmailer rolecard:
the highlighted is what you broke. not only did you decide to break your blackmail and eat a modkill you decided to say "fuck this game"
i took the wording of the rolecard and said this is what it says.
the fault is onus on you due to the fact that you neevr brought it up in review or signups
as for the neutral claim, i was already under supcion and could of been lynched, claiming neutral was my only chance at survival cus if i got lynch it would of outed me right away. the other idea was to get the neutral to cc me or think i was empress doing so
so kindly fuck off if you have ocncers about this you can take it to mods
It says in the exact same rolecard that I die "automatically at the end of the day"
You were not under any suspicion. yzb asked for the Neut to claim. You immediately claimed in response. Fake-claiming Neutral guarantees that the real Neutral hits you. This conveniently helps your partner win.
I'm calling bullshit. The fact that you two are being so aggressive about a perfectly justified suspicion only strengthens my case against you two.
December 20th, 2016, 05:25 PM
[QUOTE=SilverWolf;663063]Fuck you. ika and I worked our damn ass off this game NOT to OGC. Seriously Calix, I worked my ass off this game and I will not have my win tarnished like this.[/QUOTE]
Explanation or GTFO. Lynch-proof claiming a role to avoid being lynched makes NO sense and is extremely suspicious.
Swearing at me isn't going to make that go away, sorry to say.
Originally Posted by
SilverWolf
Fuck you. ika and I worked our damn ass off this game NOT to OGC. Seriously Calix, I worked my ass off this game and I will not have my win tarnished like this.
Explanation or GTFO. Lynch-proof claiming a role to avoid being lynched makes NO sense and is extremely suspicious.
Swearing at me isn't going to make that go away, sorry to say.
December 20th, 2016, 05:23 PM
[QUOTE=Sino;663062]I have to agree with sp here, the lack of a scum night kill makes this setup town sided imo, even if ika didn't fake claim assassin, once the assassin's objective was to kill scum, town was in a pretty good spot.[/QUOTE]
If you're suggesting to lower the number of TPRs, give the scum a night kill and heavily modify the Neutral's win condition then I think that's a good idea. You would have to neuter the scum roles accordingly, of course.
Blackmailer should just be taken out and you'd want to remove the night-immune/ lynch-immune business going on to something else.
Originally Posted by
Sino
I have to agree with sp here, the lack of a scum night kill makes this setup town sided imo, even if ika didn't fake claim assassin, once the assassin's objective was to kill scum, town was in a pretty good spot.
If you're suggesting to lower the number of TPRs, give the scum a night kill and heavily modify the Neutral's win condition then I think that's a good idea. You would have to neuter the scum roles accordingly, of course.
Blackmailer should just be taken out and you'd want to remove the night-immune/ lynch-immune business going on to something else.
December 20th, 2016, 05:16 PM
[QUOTE=Mesk514;663054]when Calix answers your questions better than the host.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gyrlander;663053]Don't say that I changed the BM rule. It wasn't clear qnd could have been understood in two ways[/QUOTE]
[MENTION=11750]Gyrlander[/MENTION] perhaps try addressing the criticisms leveled against you yourself instead of using me as a spokesperson.
Originally Posted by
Mesk514
when Calix answers your questions better than the host.
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
Don't say that I changed the BM rule. It wasn't clear qnd could have been understood in two ways
@Gyrlander
perhaps try addressing the criticisms leveled against you yourself instead of using me as a spokesperson.
December 20th, 2016, 05:16 PM
[QUOTE=secondpassing;663051]We had four power roles though. We had so many opportunities to catch scum just with night actions.
Also they lacked a night kill. I'm thinking it was town sided.[/QUOTE]
TPRs had no impact over the result. The Detective did not post checks, the Escort roleblocked nobody, the Doctor was mod-confirmed as a role due to the host fucking up.
The only impact it had was 'confirming' Sino as town due to the way he claimed, otherwise I disagree with your conclusion.
However I agree that four TPRs is excessive in general and can be cut down to 2-3 (to counter scum PRs).
Originally Posted by
secondpassing
We had four power roles though. We had so many opportunities to catch scum just with night actions.
Also they lacked a night kill. I'm thinking it was town sided.
TPRs had no impact over the result. The Detective did not post checks, the Escort roleblocked nobody, the Doctor was mod-confirmed as a role due to the host fucking up.
The only impact it had was 'confirming' Sino as town due to the way he claimed, otherwise I disagree with your conclusion.
However I agree that four TPRs is excessive in general and can be cut down to 2-3 (to counter scum PRs).
December 20th, 2016, 05:11 PM
As for the scum play, the fact that they still lost despite the host giving the scum team multiple advantages says it all.
As for the scum play, the fact that they still lost despite the host giving the scum team multiple advantages says it all.
December 20th, 2016, 05:08 PM
[QUOTE=Gyrlander;663035]Tomorrow. If I don't die tonight ZZZZ[/QUOTE]
Here, I shall help you out.
I have many criticisms about this game. I don't think I'll even be able to cover all of my complaints. However, I shall try to note some initial issues here.
[COLOR=#ffffff]1. Gyrlander messing up the night actions.[/COLOR]
- His slip with Unknown is the least egregious thing that he did, although it's indicative of the host not fully knowing the ins-and-outs of his own setup (the fact that I was healing Unknown should not have been something that he took into account). However this is a genuine host error and not something that affected the game in and of itself.
- SuperJack/ MattZed. I feel that if you did not kill MattZed officially BEFORE a lynch then the killed player should not have died. This blunder essentially led to the death of two townies (MattZed and secondpassing) - [B]this is a devastating outcome in a game with 8 town players.[/B] The scum should not have such a blatant advantage with unnecessary town deaths.
- My modkill. This was HORRENDOUSLY executed. The rolecard clearly states that I "automatically die at EOD" and I should not have been killed instantly as a result of that. What's awful about this is the fact that Gyrlander admitted to me that he had changed this rule because of the scum PMing him. This is CLEARLY something that the host should not be doing - hosts should review the setup and clarify things accordingly, not cave in to demands from biased parties. Given that my reads were reasonably accurate, Gyrlander should have noticed the obvious bias that the scum had in making that request.
[COLOR=#ffffff]2. Scum should not have been trying to exploit the host.[/COLOR]
- This violates the spirits of the rules. Unknown did not try manipulating the host by surviving. I did not try to exploit the host with my blackmail restrictions. The scum tried to game the host to gain an advantage. This is deplorable behaviour and 100% deserves to be called out [MENTION=6424]ika[/MENTION]
[COLOR=#ffffff]3. I would like to express concerns over ika/ SW potentially OGCing.[/COLOR]
- I fail to understand the play being made with ika fake-claiming Neutral (something which would make him unlynchable) as...the Lynchproof role. Conveniently, the same role that SW had to kill to win the game. I want an explanation for this because I don't see how this helps the scum team at all.
In conclusion, the scum team were exploitative and [MENTION=11750]Gyrlander[/MENTION] was the fourth mafia this game.
Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
Tomorrow. If I don't die tonight ZZZZ
Here, I shall help you out.
I have many criticisms about this game. I don't think I'll even be able to cover all of my complaints. However, I shall try to note some initial issues here.
1. Gyrlander messing up the night actions.
- His slip with Unknown is the least egregious thing that he did, although it's indicative of the host not fully knowing the ins-and-outs of his own setup (the fact that I was healing Unknown should not have been something that he took into account). However this is a genuine host error and not something that affected the game in and of itself.
- SuperJack/ MattZed. I feel that if you did not kill MattZed officially BEFORE a lynch then the killed player should not have died. This blunder essentially led to the death of two townies (MattZed and secondpassing) - this is a devastating outcome in a game with 8 town players. The scum should not have such a blatant advantage with unnecessary town deaths.
- My modkill. This was HORRENDOUSLY executed. The rolecard clearly states that I "automatically die at EOD" and I should not have been killed instantly as a result of that. What's awful about this is the fact that Gyrlander admitted to me that he had changed this rule because of the scum PMing him. This is CLEARLY something that the host should not be doing - hosts should review the setup and clarify things accordingly, not cave in to demands from biased parties. Given that my reads were reasonably accurate, Gyrlander should have noticed the obvious bias that the scum had in making that request.
2. Scum should not have been trying to exploit the host.
- This violates the spirits of the rules. Unknown did not try manipulating the host by surviving. I did not try to exploit the host with my blackmail restrictions. The scum tried to game the host to gain an advantage. This is deplorable behaviour and 100% deserves to be called out
@ika
3. I would like to express concerns over ika/ SW potentially OGCing.
- I fail to understand the play being made with ika fake-claiming Neutral (something which would make him unlynchable) as...the Lynchproof role. Conveniently, the same role that SW had to kill to win the game. I want an explanation for this because I don't see how this helps the scum team at all.
In conclusion, the scum team were exploitative and
@Gyrlander
was the fourth mafia this game.
December 20th, 2016, 04:55 PM
Gyrlander, when can we expect to see that host analysis? :)
Gyrlander, when can we expect to see that host analysis?
December 19th, 2016, 06:35 AM
[QUOTE=Sino;662793]Given their interaction I have a hard time seeing them both as scum (ika and sp), my guess would be sp town and ika scum, what do you think about it ?[/QUOTE]
Would need to reread it, but yeah, it's unlikely that scum would completely ignore the tempting DW ML to rag on at their scum buddy.
It also meshes with my reads because I think the more questionable reads are...SP and ika...so it would check out that the townie is among those two.
I will see how it was done, however, before making a definitive conclusion. Scum love their lame bussing attempts on here, after all.
Originally Posted by
Sino
Given their interaction I have a hard time seeing them both as scum (ika and sp), my guess would be sp town and ika scum, what do you think about it ?
Would need to reread it, but yeah, it's unlikely that scum would completely ignore the tempting DW ML to rag on at their scum buddy.
It also meshes with my reads because I think the more questionable reads are...SP and ika...so it would check out that the townie is among those two.
I will see how it was done, however, before making a definitive conclusion. Scum love their lame bussing attempts on here, after all.
December 19th, 2016, 06:33 AM
Also I forgot to mention this earlier but MZ's case on SJ is very sheep-worthy.
He just forgot to account for scum bussing.
SJ's troll-train happened way too fast for scum to NOT be among the voters.
That would be SW, RLVG, ika and myself.
VCA bitches :)
Also I forgot to mention this earlier but MZ's case on SJ is very sheep-worthy.
He just forgot to account for scum bussing.
SJ's troll-train happened way too fast for scum to NOT be among the voters.
That would be SW, RLVG, ika and myself.
VCA bitches
December 19th, 2016, 06:26 AM
[QUOTE=Sino;662791]Alright, in case we hit the Emperor, do i risk stalling the game out by jailing him or do i just let the Assassin kill him ?[/QUOTE]
I think letting the Neutral fulfil their win condition is the best move.
I actually have some tinfoil theories about who could be who tbh lol.
I'm still pretty sure yzb is Guard just because the obvious Assassin hasn't died yet and yzb hasn't turned up :)
Emperor most likely SP or ika imo.
You have any objections to my reads btw? Don't want to die and then have the town be idiots and ML my town circle, lol.
Originally Posted by
Sino
Alright, in case we hit the Emperor, do i risk stalling the game out by jailing him or do i just let the Assassin kill him ?
I think letting the Neutral fulfil their win condition is the best move.
I actually have some tinfoil theories about who could be who tbh lol.
I'm still pretty sure yzb is Guard just because the obvious Assassin hasn't died yet and yzb hasn't turned up
Emperor most likely SP or ika imo.
You have any objections to my reads btw? Don't want to die and then have the town be idiots and ML my town circle, lol.
December 19th, 2016, 06:06 AM
brb doing the laundry
brb doing the laundry
December 19th, 2016, 05:58 AM
[QUOTE=Sino;662787]You also said SJ is the one who plays his scum game the best compared to the others, we shouldn't underestimate him, could you give us more details about that ?
What makes you think SJ is a good scum here ?[/QUOTE]
As I noted earlier, SJ's main contribution at EOD1 was to stir up paranoia about jailing because of the Blackmailer. The way he does this is also extremely scummy - he shifts the blame onto the other (active!) players because "they didn't discuss BMer when discussing the setup"
This is a weak excuse if I ever heard one because the setup spec was ABOUT THE NEUTRAL TOWN-SIDING. Why the fuck would anyone want to discuss the BMer at that time or give the scum team ideas?
In any case, SJ's BM!Paranoia posts led to DWs being MLed. Note that SJ was against you jailing because "nobody suspects Sino" and "scum will lie to you in jail"
He's very subtle at sowing doubt among the town and making them distrust each other. In this case, he knew that DW vs you wasn't SvT, thus he had incentive to do that.
This is the only thing I'm using against SJ, by the way, because I consider it damning enough by itself. I don't think town ever does that and then react to this being brought up like SJ has.
It's probably the only good play that scum has made so far. I'll look forward to seeing what other tricks SJ has up his sleeve for me.
Originally Posted by
Sino
You also said SJ is the one who plays his scum game the best compared to the others, we shouldn't underestimate him, could you give us more details about that ?
What makes you think SJ is a good scum here ?
As I noted earlier, SJ's main contribution at EOD1 was to stir up paranoia about jailing because of the Blackmailer. The way he does this is also extremely scummy - he shifts the blame onto the other (active!) players because "they didn't discuss BMer when discussing the setup"
This is a weak excuse if I ever heard one because the setup spec was ABOUT THE NEUTRAL TOWN-SIDING. Why the fuck would anyone want to discuss the BMer at that time or give the scum team ideas?
In any case, SJ's BM!Paranoia posts led to DWs being MLed. Note that SJ was against you jailing because "nobody suspects Sino" and "scum will lie to you in jail"
He's very subtle at sowing doubt among the town and making them distrust each other. In this case, he knew that DW vs you wasn't SvT, thus he had incentive to do that.
This is the only thing I'm using against SJ, by the way, because I consider it damning enough by itself. I don't think town ever does that and then react to this being brought up like SJ has.
It's probably the only good play that scum has made so far. I'll look forward to seeing what other tricks SJ has up his sleeve for me.
December 19th, 2016, 05:53 AM
Here are most of my posts. They're not word-for-word because I am lazy.
[QUOTE=Calix;662572][B]Points Against SP[/B]
Very bad posts
Lynch for this alone
Bickers with ika over discussing the other events such as NoL vs DW/ Mesk, etc.
This is very scummy because it's unlikely that scum were up for the lynch.
Means he had no reason to get involved in the chat.
Very apathetic towards the lynch. Classic scum tell.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calix;662595]I don't like this response.
[COLOR=#ff0000]SJ puts responsibility on other people.
He has not followed up on those "suspicions" of his.[/COLOR]
I would still consider voting him.
:noose:
Maybe reviewing the SJ train
This may be very helpful
And to look back and reread the game especially when DW was town and Sino likely town. Was wrong on 2 reads and SP was third.
SP is always scummy and current scum-reads could be wrong.
SJ maybe scum.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calix;662611]SP, your reads are dumb
SJ isn't solid town. He makes posts that LOOK good but they're scummy when Calix analyses them and looks beneath the surface.
Calix is never scum, idiot. Why would scum act like Calix at EOD1? I'm very town because of my posting style which is a very town personality trait (I wanted to say attribute -_-)
SP is very bad at the game and he gets worse with every game.
MZ needs to be killed by the guard because he is playing like shit. Kill him.
Not lynching SW because she is not mafia.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calix;662633][SIZE=5][COLOR=#ffff00][B]READS[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][COLOR=#00ff00][FONT=&]
Sino[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]Confirmed town. Scum never claims Jailor like that. Gyrlander is an idiot with how he balanced the roles.
[COLOR=#00ff00][FONT=&]Mesk514[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]Very town. Has a very townie tone and scum do not claim like Mesk.
(not using the truth tell before anyone tries to throw shade here)
Mesk never claimed first thing when scum in any of her scum games.
Calix was scum with Mesk in BFN and thinks Mesk is playing very differently.
[COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=&]SuperJack[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]Made a great scum play at EOD which has a weak town explanation. Don't underestimate him.
[COLOR=#00ffff][FONT=&]MattZed[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]Neutral. Why has the Guard not killed him yet? Christ.
[COLOR=#00ff00][FONT=&]RLVG[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]The way that he responded to the shitty town-reads on him is EXTREMELY town. Scum don't react like that.
[COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=&]yzb25[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]Thread-policing and writes nothing in his long posts. Also a lurker.
[COLOR=#00ff00][FONT=&]SilverWolf[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]Insane mind-melds.
[COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]ika
[/FONT][/COLOR]Still need to reread him but I don't like SP attacking him at EOD.
Not reading Calix's posts means he is possible scum who knows that Calix is dangerous and wants an excuse to shut Calix up and make her less motivated to post.
[COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=&]secondpassing[/FONT][/COLOR]
Scum or bad.
[COLOR=#FFFFFF]RLVG please work with Calix and Sino and MESK and SW for a town block and vote together[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calix;662643]:)
Check yzb's posts please.
Lowest poster and he says nothing.
Very safe reads because he had one scum-read who people scum-read anyway.
Tells people what to do but does none of those things himself. Inconsistency between what he says and does.
Lacks drive and initiative.
Not obvious town like yzb usually is.
Confirmed scum by meta and that massive inconsistency between words and actions.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calix;662646]Town perspective for SJ's post is weaker than scum perspective
Town perspective doesn't explain why you were only being productive (sarcasm) at EOD when there was a ML on the table.
Scum perspective more logical and consistent with SJ play.
Nice discredit though.
Give reads.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calix;662655]VCA is shit because the scum are lurking
Scum have little sway over the game thread.
I conclude this because of how the game is progressing - THERE IS A DISTINCT LACK OF SCUM MANIPULATION WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THE SCUM ARE INACTIVE.
Only manipulation is with SJ's good scumplay with blackmailer paranoia.
Scum are very lurky.
Don't kill active players because there are less scum among them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calix;662670][COLOR=#ffff00][B]YZB25[/B][/COLOR]
What Calix wants to expand on is how worthless yzb is being.
Every game when he's town, he's extremely obvious to me.
Yzb isn't behaving like obvious town, therefore likely scum by default.
Plus his fluffy wall-posts where he says nothing new or original.
Repeats what townies have said before him.
There's a lack of logical arguments like yzb often does as town.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calix;662674]Calix will make this ika's problem because RLVG's response to shitty town-reads was way townier than yours.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calix;662676]Nice dodging of the point with my post and discrediting SP at once, lol.
ika isn't reacting properly to the stupid town-reads so he is scummy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Calix;662689]I'm not claiming feedback.
This isn't OW where I'm Tracer because I learned my lesson from mislynching the Doctor.
If MZ is town then MZ's play is stupid and reactive.
MZ picks on easy targets like Mesk and Blackmailed!Calix.
Lots of talk about the neutral.[/QUOTE]
Here are most of my posts. They're not word-for-word because I am lazy.
Originally Posted by
Calix
Points Against SP
Very bad posts
Lynch for this alone
Bickers with ika over discussing the other events such as NoL vs DW/ Mesk, etc.
This is very scummy because it's unlikely that scum were up for the lynch.
Means he had no reason to get involved in the chat.
Very apathetic towards the lynch. Classic scum tell.
Originally Posted by
Calix
I don't like this response.
SJ puts responsibility on other people.
He has not followed up on those "suspicions" of his.
I would still consider voting him.
Maybe reviewing the SJ train
This may be very helpful
And to look back and reread the game especially when DW was town and Sino likely town. Was wrong on 2 reads and SP was third.
SP is always scummy and current scum-reads could be wrong.
SJ maybe scum.
Originally Posted by
Calix
SP, your reads are dumb
SJ isn't solid town. He makes posts that LOOK good but they're scummy when Calix analyses them and looks beneath the surface.
Calix is never scum, idiot. Why would scum act like Calix at EOD1? I'm very town because of my posting style which is a very town personality trait (I wanted to say attribute
)
SP is very bad at the game and he gets worse with every game.
MZ needs to be killed by the guard because he is playing like shit. Kill him.
Not lynching SW because she is not mafia.
Originally Posted by
Calix
READS
Sino
Confirmed town. Scum never claims Jailor like that. Gyrlander is an idiot with how he balanced the roles.
Mesk514
Very town. Has a very townie tone and scum do not claim like Mesk.
(not using the truth tell before anyone tries to throw shade here)
Mesk never claimed first thing when scum in any of her scum games.
Calix was scum with Mesk in BFN and thinks Mesk is playing very differently.
SuperJack
Made a great scum play at EOD which has a weak town explanation. Don't underestimate him.
MattZed
Neutral. Why has the Guard not killed him yet? Christ.
RLVG
The way that he responded to the shitty town-reads on him is EXTREMELY town. Scum don't react like that.
yzb25
Thread-policing and writes nothing in his long posts. Also a lurker.
SilverWolf
Insane mind-melds.
ika
Still need to reread him but I don't like SP attacking him at EOD.
Not reading Calix's posts means he is possible scum who knows that Calix is dangerous and wants an excuse to shut Calix up and make her less motivated to post.
secondpassing
Scum or bad.
RLVG please work with Calix and Sino and MESK and SW for a town block and vote together
Originally Posted by
Calix
Check yzb's posts please.
Lowest poster and he says nothing.
Very safe reads because he had one scum-read who people scum-read anyway.
Tells people what to do but does none of those things himself. Inconsistency between what he says and does.
Lacks drive and initiative.
Not obvious town like yzb usually is.
Confirmed scum by meta and that massive inconsistency between words and actions.
Originally Posted by
Calix
Town perspective for SJ's post is weaker than scum perspective
Town perspective doesn't explain why you were only being productive (sarcasm) at EOD when there was a ML on the table.
Scum perspective more logical and consistent with SJ play.
Nice discredit though.
Give reads.
Originally Posted by
Calix
VCA is shit because the scum are lurking
Scum have little sway over the game thread.
I conclude this because of how the game is progressing - THERE IS A DISTINCT LACK OF SCUM MANIPULATION WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THE SCUM ARE INACTIVE.
Only manipulation is with SJ's good scumplay with blackmailer paranoia.
Scum are very lurky.
Don't kill active players because there are less scum among them.
Originally Posted by
Calix
YZB25
What Calix wants to expand on is how worthless yzb is being.
Every game when he's town, he's extremely obvious to me.
Yzb isn't behaving like obvious town, therefore likely scum by default.
Plus his fluffy wall-posts where he says nothing new or original.
Repeats what townies have said before him.
There's a lack of logical arguments like yzb often does as town.
Originally Posted by
Calix
Calix will make this ika's problem because RLVG's response to shitty town-reads was way townier than yours.
Originally Posted by
Calix
Nice dodging of the point with my post and discrediting SP at once, lol.
ika isn't reacting properly to the stupid town-reads so he is scummy.
Originally Posted by
Calix
I'm not claiming feedback.
This isn't OW where I'm Tracer because I learned my lesson from mislynching the Doctor.
If MZ is town then MZ's play is stupid and reactive.
MZ picks on easy targets like Mesk and Blackmailed!Calix.
Lots of talk about the neutral.
December 19th, 2016, 05:22 AM
My restriction was that I can't use vowels and punctuation. I'm not going to sweat it because that's insanely hard to do. I wasn't allowed to use substitutes for vowels so I couldn't dump my posts into a machine and post a bunch. Had to do it all manually.
No idea why Gyrlander didn't think of adding a "subject to host's discretion" disclaimer with a Blackmailer. If he doesn't stop the scum doing that N2 then I'm calling bullshit because it essentially means that you cannot post at all.
It gives the scum a way to make the game a lurk-fest. It's sad because ALL my scum-reads are lurkers and instead of trying to play properly, they just try to lurk it out. I'm disappointed.
[COLOR=#ff0000]SJ [/COLOR]has only started posting more once people rightly suspect him for his EOD1. [COLOR=#ff0000]SP [/COLOR]was lurking it up for most of D1 and most of his posts then were absolute drivel. I'm considering [COLOR=#ff0000]ika [/COLOR]as one because he is actively lurking. His posts do nothing. He's almost as bad as [COLOR=#ff0000]yzb [/COLOR]who has done less than MESK.
If there is more than one town among SJ/ SP/ ika/ YZB then town deserves to lose because I want every single one of them dead. [COLOR=#00ffff]MZ[/COLOR], please kill among this group tonight instead of killing my strongest town-read this time -_-
We should lynch SJ, kill ika, lynch yzb, kill SP imo. I'll expand on this in a bit but I think this is a good idea.
[MENTION=10188]MattZed[/MENTION] could do with helping us given that you're the most obvious Neutral I've ever seen, love ;) You try to appease everyone, you make long-winded posts appealing to the Neutral, you try not to rock the boat and you scum-read Unknown.
(he also made this one post which reminded me so much of Hell Frog's admission that he was neutral to me in FB's game. I thought he was signalling to me that he was Neutral and that he town-read me enough to reveal like that. I was getting angry at him near EOD1 because for the fact that he's the guy with the gun, he was acting weirdly scummy and cautious and it made me wonder if I was being played. He's being less weird for now but that's still in the back of my head. I'm pretty sure the only reason that the scum haven't killed NeutZed yet is because yzb is the Guard who has yet to turn up, kek)
Given that the scum's first response to me playing a game is to try to shut me up/ kill me N1, I don't think I'll be playing here again. I take a break, come back and the same shit happens. It's not worth my time to play a game where I will always die early as town.
[HR][/HR]
I'll still be posting and whatever since I'm in the game until EOD2 so if you have any doubts as to why there isn't three scummers among the group mentioned [yzb, SJ, ika, SP] then please ask because I'm lynching in that group today and I 100% want everyone to sheep my reads when I die.
RLVG is town. Mesk is town. Sino is town. SW is town. Again, if anyone doubts these reads, ASK BEFORE I DIE SO THAT YOU DON'T ACT LIKE A MORON AND MISLYNCH THEM AFTER I DIE, THANKS.
Seriously, don't lynch among this group and town wins by POE.
My restriction was that I can't use vowels and punctuation. I'm not going to sweat it because that's insanely hard to do. I wasn't allowed to use substitutes for vowels so I couldn't dump my posts into a machine and post a bunch. Had to do it all manually.
No idea why Gyrlander didn't think of adding a "subject to host's discretion" disclaimer with a Blackmailer. If he doesn't stop the scum doing that N2 then I'm calling bullshit because it essentially means that you cannot post at all.
It gives the scum a way to make the game a lurk-fest. It's sad because ALL my scum-reads are lurkers and instead of trying to play properly, they just try to lurk it out. I'm disappointed.
SJ has only started posting more once people rightly suspect him for his EOD1. SP was lurking it up for most of D1 and most of his posts then were absolute drivel. I'm considering ika as one because he is actively lurking. His posts do nothing. He's almost as bad as yzb who has done less than MESK.
If there is more than one town among SJ/ SP/ ika/ YZB then town deserves to lose because I want every single one of them dead. MZ, please kill among this group tonight instead of killing my strongest town-read this time
We should lynch SJ, kill ika, lynch yzb, kill SP imo. I'll expand on this in a bit but I think this is a good idea.
@MattZed
could do with helping us given that you're the most obvious Neutral I've ever seen, love ;) You try to appease everyone, you make long-winded posts appealing to the Neutral, you try not to rock the boat and you scum-read Unknown.
(he also made this one post which reminded me so much of Hell Frog's admission that he was neutral to me in FB's game. I thought he was signalling to me that he was Neutral and that he town-read me enough to reveal like that. I was getting angry at him near EOD1 because for the fact that he's the guy with the gun, he was acting weirdly scummy and cautious and it made me wonder if I was being played. He's being less weird for now but that's still in the back of my head. I'm pretty sure the only reason that the scum haven't killed NeutZed yet is because yzb is the Guard who has yet to turn up, kek)
Given that the scum's first response to me playing a game is to try to shut me up/ kill me N1, I don't think I'll be playing here again. I take a break, come back and the same shit happens. It's not worth my time to play a game where I will always die early as town.
I'll still be posting and whatever since I'm in the game until EOD2 so if you have any doubts as to why there isn't three scummers among the group mentioned [yzb, SJ, ika, SP] then please ask because I'm lynching in that group today and I 100% want everyone to sheep my reads when I die.
RLVG is town. Mesk is town. Sino is town. SW is town. Again, if anyone doubts these reads, ASK BEFORE I DIE SO THAT YOU DON'T ACT LIKE A MORON AND MISLYNCH THEM AFTER I DIE, THANKS.
Seriously, don't lynch among this group and town wins by POE.
December 19th, 2016, 05:17 AM
aeiou!"£$%^&*()_=+;:@'~#,.<>/?
aeiou!"£$%^&*()_=+;:@'~#,.<>/?
December 18th, 2016, 09:32 PM
[QUOTE=MattZed;662717]@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=27116"]Calix[/URL], on a scale from 1-10, how much of your townread on Mesk is trusting her trust tell?[/QUOTE]
3
twn tll crppy wy 2 ply
tn nd wy MSK tlks v twny
dffrnt frm BFN ply
bt tr prtly BC th wy MSK clmd
flt twn t CLX
Originally Posted by
MattZed
@
Calix, on a scale from 1-10, how much of your townread on Mesk is trusting her trust tell?
3
twn tll crppy wy 2 ply
tn nd wy MSK tlks v twny
dffrnt frm BFN ply
bt tr prtly BC th wy MSK clmd
flt twn t CLX
December 18th, 2016, 09:27 PM
[QUOTE=MattZed;662710]Not fully able to translate. Would appreciate hints at my guesses in [brackets].
We ask for claims before lynching for a reason, and "there's a jailor" was not a good enough reason to continue to lynch a TPR claim, especially when we had a jailor to confirm. But we can discuss this after the game if you're town.[/QUOTE]
Y
wrs lk bd r shtty
Y
TPRs r vrrtd nd VT gms r th bst bt cn dscss ltr
CLX twn
MZ bd t rdng CLX lk CLX bd t rdng MZ
Originally Posted by
MattZed
Not fully able to translate. Would appreciate hints at my guesses in [brackets].
We ask for claims before lynching for a reason, and "there's a jailor" was not a good enough reason to continue to lynch a TPR claim, especially when we had a jailor to confirm. But we can discuss this after the game if you're town.
Y
wrs lk bd r shtty
Y
TPRs r vrrtd nd VT gms r th bst bt cn dscss ltr
CLX twn
MZ bd t rdng CLX lk CLX bd t rdng MZ
December 18th, 2016, 09:11 PM
[QUOTE=MattZed;662702]I will forgive you for now, especially on the assumption that you are in fact BM'd. (if someone else is BM'd, they should vote Calix, btw) If you're town, PLEASE learn your lesson and don't try to guess role lists when lynching players. I can kinda get the 3 DD thing, but Escort and Jailer aren't even the same role, nor would Jailer activate most nights. It was well within reason, especially since we're against 3 scum and a killing neut.
[vote]SuperJack[/vote]
There was a very strategic sabotage of DW here. I've been misrepped a million times (looking at you, @[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=14298"]SilverWolf[/URL]) as to why I scumread SJ before; IT WAS NOT BECAUSE HE LEFT, HOLY SHIT. But after yesterday, yes, he needs to do some talking.[/QUOTE]
CLX wntd DW LYNCHD lk BC wntd GYR lynchd
Prv shtty TPR ply shll b LYNCHD
FCK plyng wrs s TPR
DW vry scmmy nd dsrvd LYNCH
Clm nt rlvnt
[B]MZ pnt n SJ frst gd MZ pnt[/B]
Originally Posted by
MattZed
I will forgive you for now, especially on the assumption that you are in fact BM'd. (if someone else is BM'd, they should vote Calix, btw) If you're town, PLEASE learn your lesson and don't try to guess role lists when lynching players. I can kinda get the 3 DD thing, but Escort and Jailer aren't even the same role, nor would Jailer activate most nights. It was well within reason, especially since we're against 3 scum and a killing neut.
-vote SuperJack
There was a very strategic sabotage of DW here. I've been misrepped a million times (looking at you, @
SilverWolf) as to why I scumread SJ before; IT WAS NOT BECAUSE HE LEFT, HOLY SHIT. But after yesterday, yes, he needs to do some talking.
CLX wntd DW LYNCHD lk BC wntd GYR lynchd
Prv shtty TPR ply shll b LYNCHD
FCK plyng wrs s TPR
DW vry scmmy nd dsrvd LYNCH
Clm nt rlvnt
MZ pnt n SJ frst gd MZ pnt
December 18th, 2016, 09:01 PM
[QUOTE=MattZed;662697]Meta point: I've only seen "you can't use vowels" used once, and that was RLVG using it on me in S-FM Watermeloann, although ika was also a player in that game.[/QUOTE]
SJ plyd WM
Originally Posted by
MattZed
Meta point: I've only seen "you can't use vowels" used once, and that was RLVG using it on me in S-FM Watermeloann, although ika was also a player in that game.
SJ plyd WM
December 18th, 2016, 08:59 PM
[QUOTE=MattZed;662695]ika, you really need an attitude check. You joined on a train to lynch a claimed TPR with 10 minutes to EoD while we had a claimed jailor. You are not in the position to start accusing me of things.
If you're scum, it's cute, but if you're town, you really need to calm down.[/QUOTE]
Cn y nvt CLX nd LYNCH scm pls
LYNCH SJ N YZB
MZ cn vt [COLOR=#ffffff]kkk [/COLOR]w rsns
CLX nt scm jst md mstk wth DW
CLX cn rdm hrslf tdy
CLX nt Trcr :(
Originally Posted by
MattZed
ika, you really need an attitude check. You joined on a train to lynch a claimed TPR with 10 minutes to EoD while we had a claimed jailor. You are not in the position to start accusing me of things.
If you're scum, it's cute, but if you're town, you really need to calm down.
Cn y nvt CLX nd LYNCH scm pls
LYNCH SJ N YZB
MZ cn vt kkk w rsns
CLX nt scm jst md mstk wth DW
CLX cn rdm hrslf tdy
CLX nt Trcr
December 18th, 2016, 08:53 PM
[QUOTE=MattZed;662691]If you're the guard you can try to kill me. ;) I dare you.
Can someone translate what Calix means by "GRD"?[/QUOTE]
chck MZ pst
scm rl
wntd MZ klld b scm [COLOR=#ff0000]GRD [/COLOR]BC bd [COLOR=#00ffff]ntrl [/COLOR]ply md CLX wndr f [COLOR=#00ffff]MZ [/COLOR]scm sdng
CLX wnts MZ t d twn thngs BC h s lckng
Originally Posted by
MattZed
If you're the guard you can try to kill me. ;) I dare you.
Can someone translate what Calix means by "GRD"?
chck MZ pst
scm rl
wntd MZ klld b scm GRD BC bd ntrl ply md CLX wndr f MZ scm sdng
CLX wnts MZ t d twn thngs BC h s lckng
December 18th, 2016, 08:46 PM
[QUOTE=MattZed;662688]You're... not claiming feedback as the reason? I'm fine to move on to others of the fail train if you're actually just bad at reading my alignment.[/QUOTE]
nt clmng fbck
nt VRWTCH w [COLOR=#00ff00]Trcr [/COLOR]vs [COLOR=#00ff00]Rdhg [/COLOR]BC CLX lrnd lssn frm Dc ML
f MZ twn thn MZ ply s stpd nd rctv
MZ pcks n smpl trgts lk [COLOR=#00ff00]msk [/COLOR]nd [COLOR=#00ff00]CLX[/COLOR]
lts f tlk bt th [COLOR=#00ffff]ntrl [/COLOR]
Originally Posted by
MattZed
You're... not claiming feedback as the reason? I'm fine to move on to others of the fail train if you're actually just bad at reading my alignment.
nt clmng fbck
nt VRWTCH w Trcr vs Rdhg BC CLX lrnd lssn frm Dc ML
f MZ twn thn MZ ply s stpd nd rctv
MZ pcks n smpl trgts lk msk nd CLX
lts f tlk bt th ntrl
December 18th, 2016, 08:39 PM
[QUOTE=MattZed;662685]I did not visit Unknown last night. Unless I'm misreading what she's saying, Calix is pulling some shit out of her ass. Since her alleged blackmail is a typing disorder, she can't have been ordered to fake that feedback. Town Calix doing FPS? Yeah, since when? She's outright lying, and she needs to die for it.
I am calling bullshit. Calix has been subtly driving this town into the ground went for the kill the moment we got a TPR claim last night.
It stops now.
[vote]Calix[/vote][/QUOTE]
nvm MZ v stpd nd cnt slp
CLX [B]clmng [/B]MZ ntrl
MZ ntrl r rd [B]nt [/B]fdbck
[B]nt clmng TPR vst n MZ
wld clm TPR bt CLX nt dng tht
stp bng dmb[/B]
Originally Posted by
MattZed
I did not visit Unknown last night. Unless I'm misreading what she's saying, Calix is pulling some shit out of her ass. Since her alleged blackmail is a typing disorder, she can't have been ordered to fake that feedback. Town Calix doing FPS? Yeah, since when? She's outright lying, and she needs to die for it.
I am calling bullshit. Calix has been subtly driving this town into the ground went for the kill the moment we got a TPR claim last night.
It stops now.
-vote Calix
nvm MZ v stpd nd cnt slp
CLX clmng MZ ntrl
MZ ntrl r rd nt fdbck
nt clmng TPR vst n MZ
wld clm TPR bt CLX nt dng tht
stp bng dmb
December 18th, 2016, 08:12 PM
[QUOTE=ika;662677]so sorry i am not kissing your ass or appeasing you[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ika;662678]or to better put. i dont get what you are asking at all to beginw with but if your refering to RLVGs reads lsit its something that he does all the time. when it comes to RLVG hes a diffrent player in itself[/QUOTE]
Tht wsnt wht CLX ws syng nd ts vry clr wht CLX ws gttng crss
dvrtng pnts n [COLOR=#ffffff]kkk [/COLOR]cld b scmmy
GN
zzz
Originally Posted by
ika
so sorry i am not kissing your ass or appeasing you
Originally Posted by
ika
or to better put. i dont get what you are asking at all to beginw with but if your refering to RLVGs reads lsit its something that he does all the time. when it comes to RLVG hes a diffrent player in itself
Tht wsnt wht CLX ws syng nd ts vry clr wht CLX ws gttng crss
dvrtng pnts n kkk cld b scmmy
GN
zzz
December 18th, 2016, 07:58 PM
[QUOTE=ika;662675]good luck making it my problem that second can not read my posts[/QUOTE]
sck ddgng f th pnt wthn th CLX pst nd dscrdtng SP
[COLOR=#ffffff]kkk [/COLOR]nt rctng t th stpd twn rds bt [COLOR=#ffffff]kkk [/COLOR]scmmy
Originally Posted by
ika
good luck making it my problem that second can not read my posts
sck ddgng f th pnt wthn th CLX pst nd dscrdtng SP
kkk nt rctng t th stpd twn rds bt kkk scmmy
December 18th, 2016, 07:46 PM
[QUOTE=ika;662673]people have been town reading me based on the fact im not lurking?
not my problem[/QUOTE]
CLX wll mk ths [COLOR=#ffffff]kkks [/COLOR]prblm BC [COLOR=#00ff00]RLVGs [/COLOR]rspns wth crppy twn rds ws [COLOR=#00ff00]twnr [/COLOR]thn yrs
Originally Posted by
ika
people have been town reading me based on the fact im not lurking?
not my problem
CLX wll mk ths kkks prblm BC RLVGs rspns wth crppy twn rds ws twnr thn yrs
December 18th, 2016, 07:15 PM
[COLOR=#ffff00][B]YZB25[/B][/COLOR]
Wht CLX wnts t xpnd n s hw wrthlss YZB25 s ctng
[COLOR=#00ff00]vry gm whn YZB twn YZB vry clr nd bvs twn[/COLOR]
YZB nt bhvng lk clr twn thrfr [B]lkly scm by dflt[/B]
Pls hs wllpsts f flff whr YZB sys [B]nthng [/B]nw r crtv
Rpts wht twns hv sd bfr hm
H ds nt crt lgcl rgmnts lk twn YZB
[B]Wld kll YZB nd SJ rght nw[/B]
YZB25
Wht CLX wnts t xpnd n s hw wrthlss YZB25 s ctng
vry gm whn YZB twn YZB vry clr nd bvs twn
YZB nt bhvng lk clr twn thrfr lkly scm by dflt
Pls hs wllpsts f flff whr YZB sys nthng nw r crtv
Rpts wht twns hv sd bfr hm
H ds nt crt lgcl rgmnts lk twn YZB
Wld kll YZB nd SJ rght nw
December 18th, 2016, 07:04 PM
[QUOTE=secondpassing;662665]That's why you can ask her to do things? You can suggest them? They don't have to be commands.
Aside from deathworlds (who is dead) and me (whose head you want on a platter) where are your other scum reads.
Why do you scum read SuperJack?
What do you have to say towards the meta used to town read you— namely, that you lurk as scum + you are not lurking right now?
Your posts are harder to read than Calix's without vowels.[/QUOTE]
sng mtr rds n [COLOR=#ffffff]kkk [/COLOR]s v bd [B]BC hs mtr s clrly chngd[/B]
kkk nt dprssd r pthtc nymr
lv lst cmmnt BC v fnny :>
Originally Posted by
secondpassing
That's why you can ask her to do things? You can suggest them? They don't have to be commands.
Aside from deathworlds (who is dead) and me (whose head you want on a platter) where are your other scum reads.
Why do you scum read SuperJack?
What do you have to say towards the meta used to town read you— namely, that you lurk as scum + you are not lurking right now?
Your posts are harder to read than Calix's without vowels.
sng mtr rds n kkk s v bd BC hs mtr s clrly chngd
kkk nt dprssd r pthtc nymr
lv lst cmmnt BC v fnny
December 18th, 2016, 06:39 PM
[QUOTE=secondpassing;662648]Basically the same reason I am scum reading ika.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=secondpassing;662653]TH;DR Give your reads please.[/QUOTE]
SP cn lv rn BC [COLOR=#ffff00]hlpfl[/COLOR]
hwvr SPs [COLOR=#ffffff]kkk [/COLOR]pnts t fnsh f dy [B]v bd[/B]
[B]pls mk bttr pnts gsnt [COLOR=#ffffff]kkk[/COLOR][/B]
Originally Posted by
secondpassing
Basically the same reason I am scum reading ika.
Originally Posted by
secondpassing
TH;DR Give your reads please.
SP cn lv rn BC hlpfl
hwvr SPs kkk pnts t fnsh f dy v bd
pls mk bttr pnts gsnt kkk
December 18th, 2016, 06:34 PM
[QUOTE=ika;662647]told you VCA is shit[/QUOTE]
sht BC scm lrk :laugh:
[B]scm hv lttl swy n th GM THRD[/B]
cncldng tht BC hw gm prgrssng dsnt shw scm mnpltshn
nt tll SJ fnshd dy w grt scmply w BMr
scm v lrky
kll lrkrs
dnt kll ppl prtcptng n th GM THRD BC lss scm t kll
Originally Posted by
ika
told you VCA is shit
sht BC scm lrk
scm hv lttl swy n th GM THRD
cncldng tht BC hw gm prgrssng dsnt shw scm mnpltshn
nt tll SJ fnshd dy w grt scmply w BMr
scm v lrky
kll lrkrs
dnt kll ppl prtcptng n th GM THRD BC lss scm t kll
December 18th, 2016, 06:28 PM
[QUOTE=SuperJack;662641]Lol really, you think I'm scum because what I've done is apparently good scum play?
Good Scum Play = Being seen as town
Is it really inconceivable that I am really town and just playing normally.
Your going to end up at PTB conspiracy levels soon.[/QUOTE]
twn prspctv wkr thn scm prspctv
twn prspctv dsnt xpln y nly bng prdctv [B]prdctv bng srcsm btw [/B]nr fnshng f dy whn ML n tbl
scm prspctv mr snsbl nd cnsstnt w SJ ply
sck dscrdt thgh
plz gv rds lk CLX
Originally Posted by
SuperJack
Lol really, you think I'm scum because what I've done is apparently good scum play?
Good Scum Play = Being seen as town
Is it really inconceivable that I am really town and just playing normally.
Your going to end up at PTB conspiracy levels soon.
twn prspctv wkr thn scm prspctv
twn prspctv dsnt xpln y nly bng prdctv prdctv bng srcsm btw nr fnshng f dy whn ML n tbl
scm prspctv mr snsbl nd cnsstnt w SJ ply
sck dscrdt thgh
plz gv rds lk CLX
December 18th, 2016, 06:23 PM
[QUOTE=Sino;662639]Ok, i get the most of it, i'm willing to work with you, Mesk and SW as it stands right now, let's just not rush the votes, shall we ?[/QUOTE]
:)
chck yzb psts
lwst pstr
nd sys nthng
v sf rds BC hs 1 scmrd DWs wh ppl scmrd nywy
tlls ppl wht t sy bt ds nthng hmslf
lcks drv nd blty t d wht h tlls thrs t d
[B]nt bv twn lk yzb slly wld b
bsclly cnfrmd scm by prvs gms[/B]
Originally Posted by
Sino
Ok, i get the most of it, i'm willing to work with you, Mesk and SW as it stands right now, let's just not rush the votes, shall we ?
chck yzb psts
lwst pstr
nd sys nthng
v sf rds BC hs 1 scmrd DWs wh ppl scmrd nywy
tlls ppl wht t sy bt ds nthng hmslf
lcks drv nd blty t d wht h tlls thrs t d
nt bv twn lk yzb slly wld b
bsclly cnfrmd scm by prvs gms
December 18th, 2016, 06:14 PM
TLDR
LYNCH SJ
LYNCH SP
LYNCH YZB
KLL MZ GRD
CHCK KK
TLDR
LYNCH SJ
LYNCH SP
LYNCH YZB
KLL MZ GRD
CHCK KK
December 18th, 2016, 06:12 PM
-_-
GD
GD
December 18th, 2016, 06:11 PM
[SIZE=5][COLOR=#ffff00][B]RDS PLS RD THM V HLPFL [/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][COLOR=#00ff00][FONT=&]
Sn[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]V twn scm nvr clm jlr cnfrmd twn
Gyr v stpd w TPR rl lst
[COLOR=#00ff00][FONT=&]Msk514[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]V twn hs twn tn nd scm dnt clm lk Msk
Msk nvr clmd rl frst thng whl scm n ny f hr gms
CLX ws scm w MSK w BFN BFN BFN BFN Blck Flg Nghtlss nd thnks MSK v dffrnt
DNT LYNCH
[COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=&]SuperJack[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]Scm bc wy tht DW LYNCH hppnd v gd scm ply dnt ndrstmt hm
lrkr
LYNCH
[COLOR=#00ffff][FONT=&]MattZed[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]V ntrl
GRD KLL
Y HS GRD NT KLLD MZ YT
CHRST
[COLOR=#00ff00][FONT=&]RLVG[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]Twn bc wy rspndd t shtty twnrds v v v v twny scm dnt rct t twnrds
DNT LYNCH
[COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=&]yzb25[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]thrd plcng nd wrts nthng wth psts
lrkr
LYNCH
[COLOR=#00ff00][FONT=&]SilverWolf[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]
[/FONT][/COLOR]Lts f mndmldng
DNT LYNCH
[COLOR=#FFFFFF][FONT=&]ika
[/FONT][/COLOR]stll nd t rrd bt SP ttckng hm v bd
[B]nt rdng CLX psts mns pssbl scm knwng CLX dngrs t scm nd wnts t sht CLX nd stp CLX pstng[/B]
[COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=&]secondpassing[/FONT][/COLOR]
Scm r bd
LYNCH
[COLOR=#FFFFFF]RLVG pls wrk w CLX nd Sn nd MSK nd SW twn blck nd vt tgthr[/COLOR]
RDS PLS RD THM V HLPFL
Sn
V twn scm nvr clm jlr cnfrmd twn
Gyr v stpd w TPR rl lst
Msk514
V twn hs twn tn nd scm dnt clm lk Msk
Msk nvr clmd rl frst thng whl scm n ny f hr gms
CLX ws scm w MSK w BFN BFN BFN BFN Blck Flg Nghtlss nd thnks MSK v dffrnt
DNT LYNCH
SuperJack
Scm bc wy tht DW LYNCH hppnd v gd scm ply dnt ndrstmt hm
lrkr
LYNCH
MattZed
V ntrl
GRD KLL
Y HS GRD NT KLLD MZ YT
CHRST
RLVG
Twn bc wy rspndd t shtty twnrds v v v v twny scm dnt rct t twnrds
DNT LYNCH
yzb25
thrd plcng nd wrts nthng wth psts
lrkr
LYNCH
SilverWolf
Lts f mndmldng
DNT LYNCH
ika
stll nd t rrd bt SP ttckng hm v bd
nt rdng CLX psts mns pssbl scm knwng CLX dngrs t scm nd wnts t sht CLX nd stp CLX pstng
secondpassing
Scm r bd
LYNCH
RLVG pls wrk w CLX nd Sn nd MSK nd SW twn blck nd vt tgthr