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  1. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    frostbyte and i are on the same page. its not about staff colors. it's about administrators actively moderating in game they're active in
    I don't think you're on the same page, but whatever.

    If the problem is admins actively moderating games, I think fm staff is going to put out some formal announcement if they haven't already that that behavior is to be discontinued. And the hiring of deathworlds AND putting up the "help wanted" post is supposed to alleviate this. This was already mentioned.
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Thread Author:Bruno

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    although, it probably WOULD be in the next host's best interest to not let staff play considering if you make a night action mistake involving a member of staff, the precedent is a life banishment from ever hosting again.
    I assume you're talking about Mesk here but I don't see how it directly applies to staff's colors in game, so this is irrelevant. It really seems like you have a problem with MM specifically and FrostByte's problem is actually about staff colors in games.
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Thread Author:Bruno

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    also @Voss considering how shady you're being about this topic, im totally not apologetic anymore for griefing ur minecraft house 7 yrs ago
    I've never played minecraft lololol
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Thread Author:Bruno

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    The discussion wasn't as relevant as the fact that someone got lynched over it, so it must hold some weight. If you disagree with that premise then address that, don't sidestep it.
    The solution is irrelevant to that point. The point is that it absolutely affects games. We can get to the solution after we've established that the games are being affected.

    Do you think red names affect how people perceive the player with the red name?
    I could say that I think red names with "Admin" under them MIGHT affect new people in their first couple of games. But I also don't expect new people to be doing anything that might attract a moderation standpoint.
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Thread Author:Bruno

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    What about petitioning the next host of the next game played to not allow players with colored names?
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Thread Author:Bruno

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    Once again, I wasn't part of the discussion where there was some ruling made about avatar so idk what you want from me with that tag.

    If the ask is to turn off colored ranks if you're in any FM game, then someone like MM might as well just be put into some shadow staff because they're in every game.
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    Because our police kidnap and murder us regularly. Y'all get to step out when you get pulled over because police treat you like humans. We have to stay put, literally don't move, put our hands on our steering wheel, and meekly ask permission to grab necessary documents out of our glovebox otherwise we run the risk of getting shot. Literal gun to your head you'd feel the same way.
    Apparently not in france
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

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    fyi, i wasn't part of the discussion where people changing avatars resulting in meta reads
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

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    what about greens or purples?
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    Just gonna quote my post from before. @Voss what is your opinion on the red words?
    I think you saying that it's unbalanced implies that there's advantage to playing with staff colors. So whether or not it's unbalanced is also up for debate. If there is an advantage, I think it is or can be made minuscule and is treated by the newer member playing with the colored staff member more often.
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    On a more technical note, I believe it's a lot of overhead to build and maintain this infrastructure to support this. Staff members will have to keep recycling their smurf account anytime there's a suspicion that their real persona has been found out. So that's pressure on the fm staff to keep doing this, or on the staff member themselves. I'd guess that this would stop some staff members from even bothering to play, would it not?[/COLOR][/B]
    To give a silly example. Say MM hosted some sfm game and got DR to play. Do you think DR would be less likely to play if they had to get on a smurf account? Do you think that game would fill up faster knowing DR would play? Silly example, but that can be extrapolated to most of the people that play on this site, no? I know a lot of the oldies will play when other oldies play, but couldn't give a fuck when a new player signs. (No offense, but I think this is true).
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    Thread:staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Thread Author:Bruno

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    I think the the argument on moderation is more nuanced that, aamirus, but I agree with all the other points you've made and well put.

    On a more technical note, I believe it's a lot of overhead to build and maintain this infrastructure to support this. Staff members will have to keep recycling their smurf account anytime there's a suspicion that their real persona has been found out. So that's pressure on the fm staff to keep doing this, or on the staff member themselves. I'd guess that this would stop some staff members from even bothering to play, would it not?

    If it were technically easy to generate anonymous accounts and switch back and forth between them, (like it is on MU???), I'd love for all anonymous games. Just not worth the overhead.

    Personally, (and I've said this before) I think the healthier strategy is for the veteran non staff to lead by example and give the ranked folk a good fight. So if you, Bruno, are playing with aamirus and some new member, you don't let aamirus walk over the new member. However, there's an underlying nuance here I think that begs the following question before we get to solutioning.

    What is the root problem? Is it that there are staff that abuse their ranks to their advantage in forum mafia on purpose? Or that staff get some inherent advantage just by having a color and/or rank?
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