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it's incredibly frustrating to get non answers every single time I address staff with very specific questions

it's incredibly frustrating to get non answers every single time I address staff with very specific questions

[QUOTE=Voss;906805]What about petitioning the next host of the next game played to not allow players with colored names?[/QUOTE]

Why are you sidestepping my questions?

Originally Posted by Voss

What about petitioning the next host of the next game played to not allow players with colored names?

Why are you sidestepping my questions?

[QUOTE=FrostByte;906796]The discussion wasn't as relevant as the fact that someone got lynched over it, so it must hold some weight. If you disagree with that premise then address that, don't sidestep it.
The solution is irrelevant to that point. The point is that it absolutely affects games. We can get to the solution after we've established that the games are being affected.

Do you think red names affect how people perceive the player with the red name?[/QUOTE]

^^^^ this

Originally Posted by FrostByte

The discussion wasn't as relevant as the fact that someone got lynched over it, so it must hold some weight. If you disagree with that premise then address that, don't sidestep it.
The solution is irrelevant to that point. The point is that it absolutely affects games. We can get to the solution after we've established that the games are being affected.

Do you think red names affect how people perceive the player with the red name?

^^^^ this

[QUOTE=Voss;906793]Once again, I wasn't part of the discussion where there was some ruling made about avatar so idk what you want from me with that tag.

If the ask is to turn off colored ranks if you're in any FM game, then someone like MM might as well just be put into some shadow staff because they're in every game.[/QUOTE]

The discussion wasn't as relevant as the fact that someone got lynched over it, so it must hold some weight. If you disagree with that premise then address that, don't sidestep it.
The solution is irrelevant to that point. The point is that it absolutely affects games. We can get to the solution after we've established that the games are being affected.

Do you think red names affect how people perceive the player with the red name?

Originally Posted by Voss

Once again, I wasn't part of the discussion where there was some ruling made about avatar so idk what you want from me with that tag.

If the ask is to turn off colored ranks if you're in any FM game, then someone like MM might as well just be put into some shadow staff because they're in every game.

The discussion wasn't as relevant as the fact that someone got lynched over it, so it must hold some weight. If you disagree with that premise then address that, don't sidestep it.
The solution is irrelevant to that point. The point is that it absolutely affects games. We can get to the solution after we've established that the games are being affected.

Do you think red names affect how people perceive the player with the red name?

[QUOTE=Bruno;906769]you didnt address any concerns about how people subconsciously react to scumpainting and challenging admin or other staff usergroups.

again:[COLOR=#ff0000] if avatars can have a subconscious effect on how players will treat, perceive, or read a player, then how could you possibly argue having a colored name, like red, doesnt have a similar result?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I'm gonna make it real big because people keep missing this, which is the entire point of the fucking thread:
[SIZE=6][COLOR=#ff0000]if avatars can have a subconscious effect on how players will treat, perceive, or read a player, then how could you possibly argue having a colored name, like red, doesnt have a similar result? [MENTION=6527]Voss[/MENTION] [MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION] [MENTION=29012]Auwt[/MENTION] [MENTION=45595]Oberon[/MENTION] [MENTION=8570]yzb25[/MENTION] [MENTION=29585]aamirus[/MENTION] [MENTION=11836]Kenny[/MENTION] [MENTION=6868]rumox[/MENTION][/COLOR][/SIZE]
[QUOTE=Bruno;906777]"ive never played an anon game, so here's my totally invalid and unrelated opinion"

evidence a: if mm had been on a smurf account, then whatever perceived 'beef' existed between mm and mesk wouldn't have had any weight in the ruling that mesk "maliciously" forgot to vest mm. seems obvious enough[/QUOTE]
That whole situation would've played out differently. It still hasn't been addressed. That whole thread was colored names blindly sticking up for each other with very little logic being applied to the situation.

Originally Posted by Bruno

you didnt address any concerns about how people subconsciously react to scumpainting and challenging admin or other staff usergroups.

again: if avatars can have a subconscious effect on how players will treat, perceive, or read a player, then how could you possibly argue having a colored name, like red, doesnt have a similar result?

I'm gonna make it real big because people keep missing this, which is the entire point of the fucking thread:
if avatars can have a subconscious effect on how players will treat, perceive, or read a player, then how could you possibly argue having a colored name, like red, doesnt have a similar result? @Voss @Marshmallow Marshall @Auwt @Oberon @yzb25 @aamirus @Kenny @rumox

Originally Posted by Bruno

"ive never played an anon game, so here's my totally invalid and unrelated opinion"

evidence a: if mm had been on a smurf account, then whatever perceived 'beef' existed between mm and mesk wouldn't have had any weight in the ruling that mesk "maliciously" forgot to vest mm. seems obvious enough

That whole situation would've played out differently. It still hasn't been addressed. That whole thread was colored names blindly sticking up for each other with very little logic being applied to the situation.

[QUOTE=Kenny;906775]That's because you're french. Americans evidently start to panic when they see the police behind them.[/QUOTE]

Because our police kidnap and murder us regularly. Y'all get to step out when you get pulled over because police treat you like humans. We have to stay put, literally don't move, put our hands on our steering wheel, and meekly ask permission to grab necessary documents out of our glovebox otherwise we run the risk of getting shot. Literal gun to your head you'd feel the same way.

Originally Posted by Kenny

That's because you're french. Americans evidently start to panic when they see the police behind them.

Because our police kidnap and murder us regularly. Y'all get to step out when you get pulled over because police treat you like humans. We have to stay put, literally don't move, put our hands on our steering wheel, and meekly ask permission to grab necessary documents out of our glovebox otherwise we run the risk of getting shot. Literal gun to your head you'd feel the same way.

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;906666]id be open to anonymous games being the standard for FM[/QUOTE]

Back in the day that was the major player facing difference between full FMs and S-FMs. Full FMs with anonymous accounts were fucking dope.

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

id be open to anonymous games being the standard for FM

Back in the day that was the major player facing difference between full FMs and S-FMs. Full FMs with anonymous accounts were fucking dope.

[QUOTE=FrostByte;906573]Mushroom Kingdom 2. I made a post about it in adminhall and got a bunch of non-answers and walking around the subject without actually addressing it. I was gonna be a cunt to people who didn't deserve it so I left it be at that point.

[COLOR=#008000]If he's done it before he was staff it would have just been steering the daychat as a player does normally. It would even have been fine if he'd told Bruno to knock it off with the bullshit without emoting about his hat but there's no way he didn't at least affect some type of perception in game because of his staff status.[/COLOR]

That whole game we had a talk about avatars and a ton of people agreed that changing just your avatar alters perception, I got Ceko lunched partially because of him changing his avatar. I absofuckinglutely guarantee playing with the red name alters perception, too.

[COLOR=#ff0000]Whether it's advantageous or not is debatable but playing with staff colors is altering perception in a way which is unavailable to most people and it's inherently unbalanced. Continuing to do so after they've been made aware of it is choosing to swing admin dick around in games knowing that it affects the outcome.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Just gonna quote my post from before. [MENTION=6527]Voss[/MENTION] what is your opinion on the red words?

Originally Posted by FrostByte

Mushroom Kingdom 2. I made a post about it in adminhall and got a bunch of non-answers and walking around the subject without actually addressing it. I was gonna be a cunt to people who didn't deserve it so I left it be at that point.

If he's done it before he was staff it would have just been steering the daychat as a player does normally. It would even have been fine if he'd told Bruno to knock it off with the bullshit without emoting about his hat but there's no way he didn't at least affect some type of perception in game because of his staff status.

That whole game we had a talk about avatars and a ton of people agreed that changing just your avatar alters perception, I got Ceko lunched partially because of him changing his avatar. I absofuckinglutely guarantee playing with the red name alters perception, too.

Whether it's advantageous or not is debatable but playing with staff colors is altering perception in a way which is unavailable to most people and it's inherently unbalanced. Continuing to do so after they've been made aware of it is choosing to swing admin dick around in games knowing that it affects the outcome.

Just gonna quote my post from before. @Voss what is your opinion on the red words?