[QUOTE=Oberon;925354]Yes, but freedom of speech does not apply to a private game.
(it's debatable if it applies to a public forum.)[/QUOTE]
When I brought up freeze peach, I meant that the [SIZE=5]underlying principle/argument[/SIZE] is the same, not that it should be applied in exactly the same way.
Originally Posted by Oberon
Yes, but freedom of speech does not apply to a private game.
(it's debatable if it applies to a public forum.)
When I brought up freeze peach, I meant that the underlying principle/argument is the same, not that it should be applied in exactly the same way.
[QUOTE=Oberon;925233]I don't think I can make my point more succinctly than this, and if I did, I would just be repeating myself. My argument has nothing to do with free speech. As you both made arguments against a point I didn't make, I'm going to leave it at that.[/QUOTE]
It is the same underlying principle. That being:
stupid excuses for bullshit.
You shouldn't be offended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apparently taking issue with this behavior is a "mental problem", actually it is the reverse.
Originally Posted by Oberon
I don't think I can make my point more succinctly than this, and if I did, I would just be repeating myself. My argument has nothing to do with free speech. As you both made arguments against a point I didn't make, I'm going to leave it at that.
It is the same underlying principle. That being:
stupid excuses for bullshit.
You shouldn't be offended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apparently taking issue with this behavior is a "mental problem", actually it is the reverse.
[QUOTE=Oberon;925202]I can't believe you're still going off about that. :shrug:[/QUOTE]
People shouldn't forget that a staff member (SCvMurderer) created a clan to explicitly grief the game and shielded his flunkies from repercussions under the guise of "Oh I'll talk to him!" while griefing themselves.
Originally Posted by Oberon
I can't believe you're still going off about that. :shrug:
People shouldn't forget that a staff member (SCvMurderer) created a clan to explicitly grief the game and shielded his flunkies from repercussions under the guise of "Oh I'll talk to him!" while griefing themselves.
[QUOTE=LagAttack;925199]I quickly wrote some python code to parse the 373 games I have played in since returning to SC2Mafia.
For simplicity I just calculated usages of the n-word - since almost every player that thinks racism is fun uses that slur often
For each player I played with I calculated:
[LIST]
[*] The number of games I've played with them
[*] The number of games in which they used the slur
[*] The total number of times they used the slur
[/LIST]
And for each game I counted the number of times the slur was used in the game.
Here are the results:
[SIZE=3][B]Game Statistics[/B][/SIZE]
[LIST]
[*] 62.2% (232/373) games do not have the slur in them at all
[*] 90.8% (339/373) games have the slur used 4 or less times in total among all players over the course of the game
[*] Only 4.3% (16/373) games have the slur used more than 10 times in total
[/LIST]
[SIZE=3][B]Player Statistics[/B][/SIZE]
[LIST]
[*] 89.4% (693/775) of the players I've played with have literally NEVER used the word
[*] 96.0% (744/775) of the players have used the word only 4 times or less over ALL games I've played with them
[*] That bottom of the barrel 4.0% contributes 93.9% (1491/1588 ) of the usages of the word
[*] When you filter out players whom I've played less than 5 games with, there are only 14 players who have used the word more than 10 times
[*] These 14 "regulars" contribute 67.6% (1074/1588 ) of the usages usages of the word
[/LIST]
Now this was just looking at a single (albeit by far the most common) slur - but all manners of slurs likely follow a very similar distribution.
[B][SIZE=4]SC2 Mafia's racism problems are NOT due to a [I]widespread[/I] problem with the "culture" of the game. The problems are NOT due to new players or infrequent players that use the game as a playground to grief. The problems are created and perpetuated by a very small but [I]very[/I] vocal group of regular players that push the idea that using slurs and casual racism is okay. It's not.[/SIZE][/B]
I've seen these people claim that "everyone" uses slurs or racism in mafia - so fighting the problem isn't possible. That's simply not true. The group that contribute the large majority of the problem isn't even large enough to fill a full 15 player lobby.[/QUOTE]
Impressive. The results run counter to my experience though, I'd be interested in running the script on my replays, I've got quite a few.
Originally Posted by LagAttack
I quickly wrote some python code to parse the 373 games I have played in since returning to SC2Mafia.
For simplicity I just calculated usages of the n-word - since almost every player that thinks racism is fun uses that slur often
For each player I played with I calculated:
The number of games I've played with them
The number of games in which they used the slur
The total number of times they used the slur
And for each game I counted the number of times the slur was used in the game.
Here are the results: Game Statistics
62.2% (232/373) games do not have the slur in them at all
90.8% (339/373) games have the slur used 4 or less times in total among all players over the course of the game
Only 4.3% (16/373) games have the slur used more than 10 times in total
Player Statistics
89.4% (693/775) of the players I've played with have literally NEVER used the word
96.0% (744/775) of the players have used the word only 4 times or less over ALL games I've played with them
That bottom of the barrel 4.0% contributes 93.9% (1491/1588 ) of the usages of the word
When you filter out players whom I've played less than 5 games with, there are only 14 players who have used the word more than 10 times
These 14 "regulars" contribute 67.6% (1074/1588 ) of the usages usages of the word
Now this was just looking at a single (albeit by far the most common) slur - but all manners of slurs likely follow a very similar distribution.
SC2 Mafia's racism problems are NOT due to a widespread problem with the "culture" of the game. The problems are NOT due to new players or infrequent players that use the game as a playground to grief. The problems are created and perpetuated by a very small but very vocal group of regular players that push the idea that using slurs and casual racism is okay. It's not.
I've seen these people claim that "everyone" uses slurs or racism in mafia - so fighting the problem isn't possible. That's simply not true. The group that contribute the large majority of the problem isn't even large enough to fill a full 15 player lobby.
Impressive. The results run counter to my experience though, I'd be interested in running the script on my replays, I've got quite a few.
[QUOTE=Oberon;925218]I can't even begin to understand why what someone names themself in the game is an issue. I said this before with regards to the pedophilia spam, and I'll say it again. It seems to me people just created a mental problem for themselves wherein they see "spams racist stuff/says the n-word" -> encourages/(commits! even) racism/pedophilia. Throwing racist/pedophilia jokes/quips/ect does not mean you are committing either of those things... you are not raping children by naming yourself "I RAPE KIDS" or whatever.[/QUOTE]
It is degeneracy at its most disgusting and I don't want to play a game with griefers who spam that shit.
Yeah yeah libertarian freeze peach yada yada nobody cares. People need to learn how to function in society, in the real world, and grow up from this shit.
Originally Posted by Oberon
I can't even begin to understand why what someone names themself in the game is an issue. I said this before with regards to the pedophilia spam, and I'll say it again. It seems to me people just created a mental problem for themselves wherein they see "spams racist stuff/says the n-word" -> encourages/(commits! even) racism/pedophilia. Throwing racist/pedophilia jokes/quips/ect does not mean you are committing either of those things... you are not raping children by naming yourself "I RAPE KIDS" or whatever.
It is degeneracy at its most disgusting and I don't want to play a game with griefers who spam that shit.
Yeah yeah libertarian freeze peach yada yada nobody cares. People need to learn how to function in society, in the real world, and grow up from this shit.
[QUOTE=aamirus;925152]over 3 years ago (feb 2018 ) in the report in-question, you added 2 additional replays that were over 2 months old. However, the reason these replays were not considered is that during the 2 months since those games occurred, the player had already been punished for the same behavior and appealed saying they would not do it again.[/QUOTE]
My point exactly.
Originally Posted by aamirus
over 3 years ago (feb 2018 ) in the report in-question, you added 2 additional replays that were over 2 months old. However, the reason these replays were not considered is that during the 2 months since those games occurred, the player had already been punished for the same behavior and appealed saying they would not do it again.
[QUOTE=aamirus;925149]Excessive spam has always been reportable under griefing. The only real change recently is adding names like "I RAPE YOUR 6 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER" and "ALL NIGGERS MUST DIE" to name abuse.[/QUOTE]
Except when it was from the CHOOOO clan. "This report is 3 weeks old, too old -> ignored"
Originally Posted by aamirus
Excessive spam has always been reportable under griefing. The only real change recently is adding names like "I RAPE YOUR 6 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER" and "ALL NIGGERS MUST DIE" to name abuse.
Except when it was from the CHOOOO clan. "This report is 3 weeks old, too old -> ignored"
[QUOTE=OzyWho;925127]tbh I would want to experience a meta where people can't be anonymous. sounds fun. [MENTION=34329]Frinckles[/MENTION] any way to perhaps make that an available option for hosts in their setups?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you are joking or not but it already is a setting, most people hate it.
The reason I hate it is all the goofy italian names end up being too similar. If they were more diversified or themed that would be fun. Think LOTR character names or something. Or pokimon.
Originally Posted by OzyWho
tbh I would want to experience a meta where people can't be anonymous. sounds fun.
@Frinckles
any way to perhaps make that an available option for hosts in their setups?
I'm not sure if you are joking or not but it already is a setting, most people hate it.
The reason I hate it is all the goofy italian names end up being too similar. If they were more diversified or themed that would be fun. Think LOTR character names or something. Or pokimon.
[QUOTE=theoneceko;925110]gEnEraL BeLLiGeReNce because I attacked people from Skwirl who have been extremely shitty to me.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Yeah skwirl is another griefer clan formed around the same time as so called "CHOOOO" who floods games with their clann members and then coordinates.
Goofy
Originally Posted by theoneceko
gEnEraL BeLLiGeReNce because I attacked people from Skwirl who have been extremely shitty to me.
Wow. Yeah skwirl is another griefer clan formed around the same time as so called "CHOOOO" who floods games with their clann members and then coordinates.
[QUOTE=theoneceko;925101]I honestly don’t care anymore and am just following the general trend the U.S. is going in. This site is becoming another Pokemon Showdown, I know because I just received my first infraction and am about to get banned.
I don’t give a shit, mods just do your fucking thing pls
I don’t know why it’s so hard for ppl to accept that others have different values. Fuck this thread and the shitstorm it will cause. Fuck Marshmallow Marsh for negative-repping me because “I’m anti-politics yet am aggressive on that very matter.”[/QUOTE]
Infraction for what??
Originally Posted by theoneceko
I honestly don’t care anymore and am just following the general trend the U.S. is going in. This site is becoming another Pokemon Showdown, I know because I just received my first infraction and am about to get banned.
I don’t give a shit, mods just do your fucking thing pls
I don’t know why it’s so hard for ppl to accept that others have different values. Fuck this thread and the shitstorm it will cause. Fuck Marshmallow Marsh for negative-repping me because “I’m anti-politics yet am aggressive on that very matter.”
Originally Posted by Oberon
Yes, but freedom of speech does not apply to a private game.
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