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  1. ►►Re: Why are non-setup-specific 'things' in setups?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    There's no questions about balance when it's pre-approved ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Hence the different options for different setups..
    You don't have access to my inbox :P

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Whether different phase lengths are wanted or not has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion whether they should be in the setup page present. What's the argument there?
    I'm implying that usually, everything should be in the setup so that everything can be checked in one single page. Making it a standard to have setup info all over the place and not all in the setup page is "ugly and wrong" (to use your wording hehe), in addition to being highly impractical.

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Those things in your first paragraph - I'm not seeing the point/argument there either. I never suggested to have every option available in every setup, I suggested to approve what options are available for each setup (and which aren't) beforehand.
    It's pretty rare to have that many valid options.

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    You made it sound like making the decisions in the signups is a bad thing. Why? There's no difficulty from the Host's perspective to choose one of the pre-approved options. There's no inconvenience to the players.
    Not having everything on the same page absolutely is an inconvenience to the players, and even sometimes results in confusion, despite pings being made in the signups thread. It's not forbidden and can absolutely be done, but it's not ideal.

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    In theory, why would you want 5 different setup pages for 1 setup, just to change some optional things?
    Why would you want rules in signup + rules in setup, just so players have to walk back and forth to see what was originally and what was changed? This goes for everything. It's unnecessary mess, it's ugly. One setup has "host reserves x color" another has "host reserves y color", when neither has any point in being there and that's the sort of thing that would be dependant on host rather setup.
    Why wouldn't you have more variety freely available instead of having force it if wanted after, technically, the setups were already approved?

    Freely available variety for the cost of not having optional thing pre-determined. Things that should have no place in setup pages to begin with.

    Anyways. Doesn't matter. But it's ugly and restricting and wrong.
    You can change small things in the signups if you want to, though. You just have to clearly specify it and to get FM staff permission. Even though it's suboptimal, forcing people to make a new setup for relatively minor and simple changes like the ones you're talking about would be dumb lol. What you're suggesting is however to make this happen all the time... which isn't good. Since it doesn't truly make more variety freely available (any positive variety concerned by your suggestion could be created under the current system), there seem to be only drawbacks. Sorry.
  2. ►►Re: Why are non-setup-specific 'things' in setups?◄◄

    Chats, last wills and death notes can absolutely be major balance elements. Maybe not in a PR madness setup, but in a communication-based setup, absolutely. It goes even further than that, considering last wills can make or break a game that is relatively cop-centered.

    As for the rest, my above point applies a bit less, but still apply: some phase lenghts are completely unplayable to some people (which would result in signups not filling), or are completely unfitting for some setups. It'd make pre-approved setups more touchy to use, too. Also, as you pointed out yourself, those decisions can be changed in the signups. What you seem not to have considered is that your suggestion will make it so that we ALWAYS have to make those decisions in the signups... which leads to even more questions about balance, about what people can and can't do, etc.
    Am I missing your point? Because I don't really see the improvement, sorry :P
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