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    ►►Re: spend 2 days making a report and he gets watch list◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterNinja View Post
    they can come on forums and apologise and get unbanned
    Yeah, let's make sure we keep the people that are remorseful from playing because they made one mistake. That's a good policy!! (/sarcasm)

    All I see is a bunch of exaggerated posts from MasterNinja about all the work that they do to snag big bad cheaters, and the arcade staff doing next to nothing. The arcade staff does excellent work toeing a line between keeping the game from being absolutely abhorrent to play, and not getting banned by Blizzard.

    All it takes is a few reports to go to Blizzard, and Blizzard could take down the map and then everyone loses.

    What you should do:
    Come back with specific people that should be permabanned, replays or ignored threads, and take them to answer hall to get an answer on why these people should or should not be perma banned.

    What you should not do:
    Keep posting that staff doesn't do enough by using overblown and false statistics as evidence.
  2. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Condorcet Voting [EXPLAINED!]

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    ►►Re: Condorcet Voting [EXPLAINED!]◄◄

    https://www.netflix.com/watch/81240934

    if anyone needs an explanation on ranked choice voting and has netflix, hasan minaj does a much better job than me to talk about the negative effects of majority and plurality voting.
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    Sticky: ►►Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    I envy you in that you haven't read the entire thread, of which about half was devoted to countering the argument that the Confederacy was bad because it was a racist state founded on slavery with the argument of "well the Union did bad things too", in absolute earnest.
    I can just fall back to "climate change is not a reason against right wing nazi-ism.

    I also might bow out of this thread. I don't want to have to keep typing nazi.
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    Sticky: ►►Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism◄◄

    Silly example, but illustrates the point:

    Imagine me Voss, as a right wing politician. I go and do some cool speech that gets televised and that gets people to vote for me. Next this self proclaimed nazi, called Noss, does this crazy evil stunt, and gets in front of a camera and says "Woo nazi-ism! Woo Voss! Voss 2020". If I don't denounce this person, I'm implicitly allowing support of this group to be part of the non nazis that support me. Ergo, Nazis are now part of my right wing coalition.

    A moral Voss politician should denounce this, to put some distance. Then, when some reporter asks why Voss is or isn't a nazi due to his supporter's affiliation, Voss can say "nono, I don't stand for that and I denounced it back on March 3, 2016". or something.

    A more concrete example would be that Unite the Right Rally. If you're going to a rally, and there are people waving nazi flags, you should leave, and denounce that rally.

    What the left does or doesn't do badly has nothing to do with this percept that the right has. I'll say it again. It's fallacious reasoning.
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    Sticky: ►►Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    You cant criticize people who have nothing to do with Nazism if the mainstream left is very radicalized.
    Yes I can. Why wouldn't I be able to?

    So, I haven't seen reasonings support of the fact that right wingers have nothing to do with Nazi-ism. In this thread, I have seen evidence of the contrary.

    That aside, this thread is about right wing conservatism, not why right wing tactics are ok given that we "allow" left wing folks to get away with bad things. It's hard to talk about one without talking about the other, sure. But you can't justify bad things because the other side is doing bad things. Which you are clearly doing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    My point is that radicalization, while it exists on both sides, is worse on the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Anyways this is a bit of a rant but my question is:
    What do you feel about the idea that right-wing liberalism has nothing to do with conservatism?
    A second question is, why is the media trying to paint right wingers as immoral nazis?
    so the answer to "why is the media painting right wingers as nazis" is "radicalizations are on both sides and the left is worse"? That's not an answer, thats fallacious distracting.

    It seems like your responses are more suited to a separate thread where you post the statement: "Left wing radicalizations are worse than right radicalizations for reasons x, y, z". One of those reasons being climate change or something. Another reason could be that rioting is better than nazi-ism.

    That is not what you asked, and you did nothing to disprove my answer, nor agreed with it. I think my reasoning is spot on.
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    ►►Re: spend 2 days making a report and he gets watch list◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterNinja View Post
    and at that rate people should even just get paid for working and reporting ppl
    once our volunteer arcade staff starts to get paid, i'll personally petition for reporters to be paid as well.
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    ►►Re: spend 2 days making a report and he gets watch list◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterNinja View Post
    also another problem with this game cause everyone is too soft and you don't allow admins to ban rule breakers in game
    we allow and encourage admins to ban rule breakers in all games, when appropriate.
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    Sticky: ►►Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Have you ever heard of lynching?
    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Honestly, it also looks like you have no idea what your own points are. Look at how like 5 pages back you pointed out that the Jim Crow laws were actually evidence that the Confederacy was racist, now suddenly you're using it against the north?
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    You asked this:



    The response you got to your question is this:



    This has nothing to do with radicals on the left. You were given an answer, you can address the point or you can try to distract by pointing out flaws on the left.

    But pointing out flaws on the left doesn't change the fact that nazis and right wingers are conflated because they are "cousins", as you put it.
    Just to reiterate, (though it's unneeded, since Banana already did a good job here) :


    Mag, you "countered?" my post about my take on why nazi-ism is being associated to conservatism by talking about climate change. what??

    I would not expect these types of logic jumps on mafia site. If these logic jumps have been prevalent throughout this thread, props to the people diligently responding to theses posts.
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    ►►Re: spend 2 days making a report and he gets watch list◄◄

    Would having some public stats that show the number of non repeat users after a watch list help Ninja?

    Also, would you mind sharing the stats on games that are ruined by people that you report versus the games that go fine?

    It would help put some things into perspective.
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    ►►Re: spend 2 days making a report and he gets watch list◄◄

    What would you change here? I can't tell if you're saying that we should perma ban everyone with a report against them, or to dismantle the report system and disband our volunteer arcade staff because reporting is "useless". Neither of which seem like good solutions.
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    Poll: ►►Re: have you ever seen a chicken in real life◄◄

    i had one for lunch the other day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Because they don't do NEARLY enough to distance themselves from it.
    Err, going to be a bit more clear here.

    Because American conservatives don't do nearly enough to distance themselves from Nazis that go to and support right-wing rallies.
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    Sticky: ►►Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Anyways this is a bit of a rant but my question is:
    What do you feel about the idea that right-wing liberalism has nothing to do with conservatism?
    A second question is, why is the media trying to paint right wingers as immoral nazis?
    Because they don't do NEARLY enough to distance themselves from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Have you ever heard of lynching?
    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Honestly, it also looks like you have no idea what your own points are. Look at how like 5 pages back you pointed out that the Jim Crow laws were actually evidence that the Confederacy was racist, now suddenly you're using it against the north?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Those werent institutionalized. I can point you to pogroms in Russia against the Jews; doesnt mean that the Russian Empire was fascist. Fascism did not even exist back then. Lynching is an indicator of cultural attitudes, though even the the term lynching brings to mind images of vigilanteism. Those were by no means advocated by the state.
    This looks like a contradiction to me. I haven't read the majority of posts in this thread, but I don't need to to point that out. Looks like oops also already did.

    Also, who cares if they're institutional or not, the point still stands.
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    Poll: ►►Re: Bodyguard dies if protecting against a neutral killer◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    Bodyguard low skill cap.
    Doctor high skill cap.

    Average acrade mentality favours low skill cap.

    this needs to be emphasized.
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    Thread:Give me my colors.

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    ►►Re: Give me my colors.◄◄

    I must have missed you when I was messing with the colors.
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    Thread:SC2Mafia Tells A Story

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    ►►Re: SC2Mafia Tells A Story◄◄

    NECRO REEEEE
  19. Forum:Narrator Discussion

    Thread:Prioritization - Help Wanted

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    ►►Re: Prioritization - Help Wanted◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    What is the purpose of your trello? Is it to help guide you personally or is it for community out reach?

    If it's for community out reach it's very over bearing and should be simplified a lot more. I'd recommend going with 'Working on' 'Planned' 'Completed' categories and then compress a lot of what you have listed into sub categories.
    That's true, it is very overbearing. Part of the reason why I'm even showing the board is to show that I'm a little overwhelmed myself.

    But also to see if anyone's willing to help wrangle this. It was cool to see naz, secondpassing, and SJ show some interest.
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    Thread:6/19 Suggestions / Bugs / Comm Recap

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    ►►Re: 6/19 Suggestions / Bugs / Comm Recap◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Thank you very much.



    I accessed it through a computer (not sure how the discord version works) I would like to see UI hints(?). I mean, I want narrator to have little text boxes or speech bubbles that guide me through setting up my first game, hopefully it would match the steps to do so. Something like
    1. Is this your first time playing mafia? y/n
    2. Pick a setup to run
    3. Invite your friends here!
    4. When they join they will show up in the waiting lobby.
    5. Pick a pre balanced setup or adjust the roles.
    6. Roles will show on the right.
    7. Need to find players for a game? Join our discord!


    The above would be sufficient for me, but I imagine others might want a video. I think a simple screen record and a short voiceover would be sufficient for now. I also don't think a lot of people want to sit though a long tutorial, so I suggest speaking quickly.

    My first instinct after looking through all the elements on the narrator site is to hit start just to see what a day would look like, but it won't let me start without three people. I think it would be kinda cool to have an in-game recording so someone could simulate playing a match. If you wanted to appeal to people who never played mafia, I think this would be the way to go. I'm not suggesting that mafia on narrator be available to be played with bots that chat though. If simulating a game on narrator is difficult or too hard, another video of a recorded game could suffice.

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    Speech bubbles > video tutorial with voiceover > simulated game
    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    I think the easiest way to get people to have a vested interest is to run a forum mafia game but on narrator.
    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    lol you're about to trigger voss
    like, this isn't something that i could intuitively come up with by myself, because I'm so intertwined in the project. Another perspective is exactly what narrator mafia needs.
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    Thread:6/19 Suggestions / Bugs / Comm Recap

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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Thank you very much.



    I accessed it through a computer (not sure how the discord version works) I would like to see UI hints(?). I mean, I want narrator to have little text boxes or speech bubbles that guide me through setting up my first game, hopefully it would match the steps to do so. Something like
    1. Is this your first time playing mafia? y/n
    2. Pick a setup to run
    3. Invite your friends here!
    4. When they join they will show up in the waiting lobby.
    5. Pick a pre balanced setup or adjust the roles.
    6. Roles will show on the right.
    7. Need to find players for a game? Join our discord!


    The above would be sufficient for me, but I imagine others might want a video. I think a simple screen record and a short voiceover would be sufficient for now. I also don't think a lot of people want to sit though a long tutorial, so I suggest speaking quickly.

    My first instinct after looking through all the elements on the narrator site is to hit start just to see what a day would look like, but it won't let me start without three people. I think it would be kinda cool to have an in-game recording so someone could simulate playing a match. If you wanted to appeal to people who never played mafia, I think this would be the way to go. I'm not suggesting that mafia on narrator be available to be played with bots that chat though. If simulating a game on narrator is difficult or too hard, another video of a recorded game could suffice.

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    Speech bubbles > video tutorial with voiceover > simulated game
    Now, this, I can work with. Personally, I hate hearing the sound of my own voice, and am not too keen on the video tutorial solution. I think speech bubbles + simulated game like Renegade suggested would be optimal here.

    I'm going to copy/paste this and throw it onto the board. Thank you secondpassing!

    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    I think the easiest way to get people to have a vested interest is to run a forum mafia game but on narrator.
    My call to have a host run an alpha game using narrator, but have the game chat be on the forums is still available!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    lol you're about to trigger voss
    instead of letting myself get triggered, you let me know when there's an API on the forums for me to integrate with. =D. =D. =D

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Ohh! I love the idea of a tutorial. Like two quick games, one where you are town and one scum with simulated chatting between "bots" and suggestions (maybe forced) on what to do.

    Like a bubble that would pop up:

    Player 1 seems scummy based on this obvious thing they said here - vote them by clicking this.
    this is brilliant! i could combine secondpassing's setup instructions with this, and have a 'tutorial button' somewhere in the home screen
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    Thread:Prioritization - Help Wanted

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    ►►Re: Prioritization - Help Wanted◄◄

    "We all know Nexus first is the best build"
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    Thread:Prioritization - Help Wanted

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    So second passing and naz have each made solid attempts to organize the board and got different results. Which is expected. road map planning is difficult and subjective.

    @SuperJack if you want to be the dom to my sub, i mean, to tell me what to do, both positions are open.
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    Thread:6/19 Suggestions / Bugs / Comm Recap

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    Actually you should just demand that voss uses https mwahahahaha!
    can you fix it for me please

    https://trello.com/c/XelLmKbL/97-add-ssl
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    Thread:6/19 Suggestions / Bugs / Comm Recap

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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Didn't want to make a new thread and I didn't know where to post this question:

    Shouldn't you make like a tutorial or something? If I wanted to test run a game myself I have nowhere to go, and no idea how to start it up.
    Also I think the narrator link on top of the sc2mafia page might be broken.
    I totally agree that some sort of tutorial is necessary!!!! I think this is big fish to fry though and it totally deserves it's own thread for the following questions:

    What sort of tutorial are you looking for? Here are a few that come to mind
    - Video tutorial, like on youtube.
    - Allow start with just yourself, filling in the game with bots
    - Build in the proper UI hints that would properly guide new players on the UI and mafia.
    - Write up a word doc for Q&A

    Who is my target audience?
    - Members of sc2mafia, who have arcade mafia experience
    - People who've played mafia before, IRL
    - People who have never played mafia before
    - People who want to host their own games, without me, Voss, being present.

    I could go ahead and do all the solutions above, but that'd take forever and probably have at least some wasted effort. So, in order for me to build a good tutorial, I need to know who I'm creating the tutorial for. On top of that, I'd need volunteers to have a vested interest in helping me make sure that tutorial is solid. Otherwise it's wasted effort, right?

    I'd love to explore this in this thread or another one! I think another one could be more informative to other forum members though.
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    Thread:Prioritization - Help Wanted

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    Quote Originally Posted by naz View Post
    ok, so do u want each category prioritized or like a separate Do This Next
    I think both would be appropriate here!
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    ►►Prioritization - Help Wanted◄◄

    Hey,

    I'm looking for some help in prioritization, if anyone wants to help with this. As a developer, it's harder for me to separate myself away and properly prioritize the next thing. Or for someone to take community input and figure out prioritization. Those might be the same thing. /Shrug

    Anyway, most of the things on the roadmap are here:
    https://trello.com/b/t80MK1R6/narrator-requests-bugs


    -Voss
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    Thread:Black Lives Matter

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    ►►Re: Black Lives Matter◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SCP View Post
    Black lives DON'T matter.

    The more rioting they do, the more they convince many others of that same self-evident fact.

    Grow up you leftist snowflakes.
    there were a ton of non black rioters though. given this fact, would you say any lives matter then?
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    Thread:6/19 Suggestions / Bugs / Comm Recap

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Remind me to RECORD my gameplay. Also tell me how to record it.
    Upon a little investigation, games are still being recorded, so that's good. I'll look into the beguiler bug(?) after game recaps are displaying again.
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    I'm going to mark the bug about beguiler/coward as ignored for now. I don't have the means to really investigate it, because my feature for viewing recaps of your previous games is broken. Sorry SJ. If the game we played correctly saved, I can look into it then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Hmm I'm not sure I suggested removing the long death stories - I actually like them!
    heh, i thought i read someone suggesting that the death stories were too long and unclear. i thought that was you.

    so i'm starting to realize flavor is good, but flavor is also confusing.

    it's easy enough to add a game setting to say what kind of death story to output.

    i can take your name out of the suggestion.
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    ►►6/19 Suggestions / Bugs / Comm Recap◄◄



    Bugs
    • Disfranchise wasn’t able to be submitted as a command. - Voss
    • Editing messages in discord lobby should be allowed.
      • We should not be getting “You cant edit your messages!!!” in during game setup.
    • Messages happening between discord and the UI should be synced - Voss
      • Lobby messages sent in the UI should show up in discord
      • Discord messages shown in the UI should show in the UI
      • same goes for game messages
    • Last wills don’t work properly - GreenEggsnSpam, Epixplayer, Unknown
      • It’s been a while since this worked, and I need to add tests for this
    • Remove long death stories. - Renegade
      • Maybe make it a mode
      • There’s support for using your own custom death stories. I think the integration isn’t seamless, and it needs work. For now, using the extremely clear, but boring death descriptions is best
    • Discord timer not working - TimeTrx
      • It just shows 0:00. It should be editing every 5 seconds
    • Discord minutes/seconds label isn’t showing the correct value. - TimeTrx
      • The game said 540 minutes. It should be 540 seconds, or better yet, 9 minutes left of day.
    • Observer mode would be nice - Apocist
      • This used to work, but I broke something. I haven’t had to use this feature in my IRL games, because everyone was there and partiicpating
    • Long day chat load - Jay
      • I can’t really reproduce this, but if other people would chime in on this, it might help allow me to start debugging this
    • Can’t vote - Apocist
      • Something’s messed up with your chat. We should touch base sometime so I can debug why it’s happening.
    • “You don’t have this permission” spam when typing in dead chat. - Afausnett, Loldebrite
      • I’ve had this reported before, but it’s never happened to me. It might be because I’m the host, and need to let someone else be the host so I can start seeing this.
      • Definitely believe and see that it’s happening. It’s just tough to fix if I don’t get the bug.
      • At least people are still able to talk in dead chat though.
    • Cultists can’t see new partners - SuperJack
      • This was working at one point. I can go through the process of seeing how a cultist gets recruited, and what they see and make sure what I coded before is still there. If it’s not, I know what the asks are and can make this better.
    • Nav items aren’t sticked on mobile - Magoroth
      • Mag had to open up a day chat, and scroll allllll the way to the top to see the button for Actions, so that he could vote
      • This might be a css issue. I can double check this
      • Mag also said he might have just been dumb.



    Enhancements
    • Put previous actions in your “Clues” - Naz
      • People, including myself, kept forgetting who they targeted night to night.
      • Clues should tell you who you did your action on, and then results after
    • PM/Mention spam when playing in the UI - Renegade, Loldebrite
      • If you’re using the webUI, the bot should be able to detect this, and not keep spamming you with invites to join the night server chat
      • It should also not keep pinging you that day/night has started in discord, if you’re playing on the UI.
    • Vote Recap - Oops
      • This is my least proud part in all of the UI code. It’s pretty bad, ugly, and non intuitive. This should be more integrated with votes, and the whole design really needs to be rethought.
      • My idea is to have an expand/collapse around where you submit votes, so you can see who else is voting them.
      • A long term idea is to have this graphical interface showing who voted who, and when. A sort of graphical history.
    • Timer effects - Timetrx
      • As day approaches 0, the timer should start to flash, and get angry
      • Other possible ideas is to add sound effects and/or a progress bar. There’s a lot of empty space at the top not being utilized. But I also like TimeTrx’s simple UI for chat/time. maybe the progress bar is overkill.
    • !setup should show the current setup - Naz
      • I saw naz trying to get the setup list from discord while the game was in progress. It was telling her that it would output available setups post game.
      • There should be a difference between !setup and !setups. Ban !setups and show the current !setup. It should still be pmed though
    • Night/Day Chat organization strategy needs work - TimeTrx
      • This needs some thought, but I think a drop down to see the current day/night might work here.
    • Dropdown for drugs is shitty - oops
      • Perfectly agree on this one. All of the dropdowns in any actions are shitty.
      • One of my higher priority things is to rewrite the code around action submission. It’s a terrible garbage. When I get to that, I’ll be able to use the nice react components that will clean the fuck up out of the drop downs. If you go to view the setup drop down list from the home page, that’s a much nicer looking dropdown that can be used here.
    • Dead player’s colors should be their faction color, not the live/starting colors - Voss
      • We change people’s names from Voss to Voss (Bus Driver), but the color changes the same.
      • It was, and should be the old name.
    • People voting modkilled players couldn't change their votes afterward - Naz



    Major enhancements
    • Separate setup page from game lobby page- Timetrx
      • There’s no need to go full on game creation in lobbies. Your setup should already be created by the time you want to host your game. this is a relic of sc2mafia’s system in which you can’t easily create your own saves. the narrator supports multiple custom saves. Now there just needs to be a setup workshop for this sort of thing


    Feature Requests
    • Pin messages into “Clues” - Nighter
      • It would be great to be able to keep track of people’s claims and feedback and have that all in one place.
      • It would be triple-y cool if the bot did that for you
      • To be able to detect “I’m cop” or “I was bussed” automatically, would be fantabulous. Pipe dream at this point though
    • Pming - loldebite
      • It’s something I want to do to maintain parity with sc2mafia’s arcade version, but it’s also a tool that town doesn’t need to win the game.
      • don’t know if I can justify prioritizing this feature.
    • Graphical setup expanded view - Magoroth
      • It’d be cool to have some tree view of setups. Something really interactive and flashy.
      • Needs a real designer for this to ever be a reality, but I love the idea. Goes kind of with Timetrx’s idea
    • Post game chat - Naz
    • Rate Limiting. too much chaos - Animal Midwife
      • Agreed. Too much spam makes it hard to follow.
      • Another idea Ive been toying with a lot is giving less rate limitation to people that are more highly voted.
      • If you’re suspicious, you can talk more, because you need to defend yourself.
      • If you’re less suspicous, people don’t really need to hear from you.
      • Could also let the ‘towniest’ person speak too, aka people that have the fewest/ no votes on them.

  33. Forum:Narrator Discussion

    Thread:Game 6/19 Interest Poll

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    ►►Re: Game 6/19 Interest Poll◄◄

    it had some very rough edges, but it went great. I'm a do a bit of a bug recap later.
  34. Forum:Narrator Discussion

    Thread:Game 6/19 Interest Poll

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    ►►Re: Game 6/19 Interest Poll◄◄

    I haven't had a list this large since 2016. Hype!!

    Let's meet in the #bots channel in sc2mafia discord
  35. Forum:Narrator Discussion

    Thread:Game 6/19 Interest Poll

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    ►►Re: Game 6/20 Interest Poll◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    Hey Voss, is it saturday or friday? 6/20 is saturday but your post says friday lol. Either way I'm tentatively in, just shoot me a reminder on discord. I've been having lots of stuff going on with my new house and random appointments here and there.
    thank you for pointing out my brain fart.
  36. Forum:Narrator Discussion

    Thread:Game 6/19 Interest Poll

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    Thread:Game 6/19 Interest Poll

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    ►►Re: Game 6/20 Interest Poll◄◄

    @Brendan
    @SuperJack
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    ►►Game 6/19 Interest Poll◄◄

    Hey all,

    Looking to see if there's interest in me hosting an sc2mafia type game on Friday 4pm PST. The issues that were plaguing 2 weeks ago are now very fixed.

    If I get at least 3 signs, I'll recruit in the discord channel.

    -Voss


    1. Voss
    2. Ganelon (if awake)
    3. Renegade
    4. Naz
    5. theoneceko (if not tired)
    6. SuperJack
    7. Brendan
    8. Oops
    9. Ash
    10. Unknown
    ...
  39. Forum:Narrator Updates

    Thread:Changelog 6/13/2020

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    ►►Re: Changelog 6/13/2020◄◄

    LF React engineers.
  40. Forum:Narrator Updates

    Thread:Changelog 6/13/2020

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    ►►Re: Changelog 6/13/2020◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    When does it come to android *poke*
    It's designed better for mobile that for desktop browser to be honest.

    When I convert the entire ui app to react, it should not be too bad to turn it into a mobile app in a fell swoop.
  41. Forum:Narrator Updates

    Thread:Changelog 6/13/2020

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    ►►Re: Changelog◄◄

    8 months worth of work. I'm still keeping this thing alive!
  42. Forum:Narrator Updates

    Thread:Changelog 6/13/2020

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    ►►Changelog 6/13/2020◄◄


    The
    Multi Vote
    Update


    Narrator Features
    • Added a new multivote system. You can vote for as many people as you want. The person with the most votes at EoD dies.
    • Added the concept of adding 'roles' to 'factions', allowing the same role to be added to different factions. Mafia Stripper vs Town Stripper. These are called faction roles
    • Added control for have the day length decrease as the game progresses. For example on day 1 it can be 15 minutes, day 2, 13, day 3, 11 minutes. Also has a floor
    • "Parity Check" ability: Detect someone on Night 1. On Night 2 learn whether the first person's alignment is the same as the second person's alignment.
    • Allow games to start if there are less players than roles in a game. Some roles just won't be assigned.
    • Added "Back to Back" modifier, enabling or disabling someone from trying to target the same person night after night.
    • Added modifier for allowing/disallowing whether an action can be used based off living team members. For example, a cult could start to kill if they get enough team members, but not before.
    • Added attribute on a random in a roles list to be exposed or not
    • Added attribute on a random in a roles list to have to be spawned or not. This is useful in games where there are less players than roles.
    • Added concept of "min/max player count" for whether a role is part of a roles list. This adds dynamic roles list based on setup, and stores this information in the database, rather than having multiple copies of the same setup that have different roles list based on player count.


    Narrator Fixes
    • Stop ghosts from winning if they're alive at the end of game.
    • Fixed bug in condorcet calculations
    • Spell publicly correctly.
    • Faction Kill can be a role ability now.
    • Punch can be used on day 2
    • Cleaned up self-target text
    • Hides poisoner/doctor interaction text if poisoner not in the game


    Setup Management Enhancements
    • Added concept of "Featured" setups. All the setups on the host page were hard coded, but they're mostly migrated out and stored in the database now.
    • Added concept of an uneditable setup. A setup becomes uneditable if it a game is hosted off of it, or becomes featured.
    • Added concept of "setup" modifiers vs "game" modifiers. Stuff like "doctor gets feedback" is a setup modifier, while "day length" is a game modifier.
    • Most abilities can be added and shared among factions and manipulated through the API
    • Factions can be created/deleted through the API
    • Roles can be created/deleted through the API
    • Factions can have their roles be deleted or added from them through the API.
    • Factions can have their enemies be updated through the API
    • Sheriff checks can have their detectable teams updated through the API.
    • Setups now have names, slogans, and descriptions, associated to them.
    • Roles can be deleted from "Random Roles"(aka town random or hidden mafia)
    • Players can receive a different role card than they actually are, and this is editable through the API. (There's a bug with this though and needs to be investigated)
    • Roles can have modifiers added to them through the API.
    • Role abilities can have modifiers added to them through the API.
    • Featured setups cannot be deleted, only archived.
    • Whether a role spawns based on player size is configurable through the API.
    • Whether the players know what role a setup hidden spawned (like town random) is configurable through the API
    • Setups can now be archived through the API
    • Setups that don't belong to a user can now be cloned so the user can own and edit these setups.


    Visual Enhancements
    • Added colored icons to players
    • Adjusting game phase lengths will be by minutes, not by seconds. Plans to make that a dropdown for seconds/minutes/hours/days.
    • Roles can be added to factions.
    • The vote system can now be changed.
    • Cult invitation feedback will now show a picture.
    • Player count limits now depend on added roles, not a setting.
    • Adding setup hidden will propagate to the windows of other players.
    • Changed home page links to point to Narrator Discord, and Sc2mafia home page.
    • UI will show whether a player is active or not.
    • Hide disabled discord settings if game is discord game


    Visual Fixes
    • Framing submits correct team
    • Show allies in your role card.
    • Music plays on lobby join.
    • Show all available actions on game start.
    • Show end night button on night start.
    • Fixed display issues with setup drop downs.
    • The "plus sign" for adding roles bled through the faction editor.
    • Allow adding non single hiddens to the roles list (aka a Town Random, not a Citizen)
    • Show player count on mobile.
    • Show only one of faction or role when viewing game info on mobile.
    • Decrease call count to the back end for game state. (SPEEEEED)
    • User list and roles list updates when new player joins lobby
    • Clicking on user list shows kick/ping/repick popup window.


    Lobby Enhancements
    • Redid repick & moderator system.
    • Game won't delete from database if changing to a user setup.


    Sc2Mafia Integration Fixes + Features
    • Point to updated rules


    Discord Fixes + Features
    • "!skip" should skip the day.
    • "!living" should show living people.
    • Featured setups should show in order.
    • Default night length will be 1 minute long
    • "!link" is an alias for "!invite" now.


    Database Fixes
    • Separated player ids from submitted commands. Next step would be to split the command as well.
    • Added validation constraints
    • Optimized setup reading and writing to and from the database.
    • Added logging for long queries.


    Tech upgrades
    • Broke Back end and Front end repos into two repos!!!!!
    • Started converting the front end to using React and Redux!!!!!
    • Refactored more action requests to the Narrator server. Switching from using websockets to http.
    • Learned about 'rem' and how that should be the standard for text size usage.
    • Rewrote bird vote to use React.
    • Rewrote thread scrape to cache pages.

  43. Forum:Narrator Updates

    Thread:Changelog 9/9/2019

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    ►►Re: Changelog 9/9/2019◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    it looks like it's time to give it a test?
    I'm going to attempt to drum up interest again on this front. I felt a lack of interest from the community at the time, but given last week's turnout, I could see how there might be interest in this again.
  44. Forum:Site Discussion

    Thread:Retirement

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    ►►Retirement◄◄

    Hey everyone,

    I'm stepping down as an admin of sc2mafia. I'm not quitting the site, I just am unable to fulfill what I believe to be the responsibilities of the red role given the limited amount of time that exists in life. It was a great honor and pleasure to serve.

    Another admin will announce a replacement if and when the appropriate time comes to pass.

    Cheers,
    Voss
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    ►►New record for longest game on Narrator!!!!◄◄

    TWELVE thousand days, yo.

    A goon, a mayor and a citizen open a game, and decide to do nothing for 12,000 days. This caused a lot of memory to build up and slow the narrator down in general.

    I will be implementing a max day cap in the narrator until I can structure the game to handle 12,000 days.

    That is all.
  46. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:FUCK Java Swing

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    ►►Re: FUCK Java Swing◄◄

    poor mag. his brain cells are evaporating.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD◄◄

    For Aamirus
    This person is a leader in our community and such an offense was unexpected, as well as disappointing to see. This is however a first offense. Aamirus will be disqualifed from the ladder as well as not receive any ladder points for this game.

    For BananaCucho
    They will not be receiving ladder points for this game, nor be able to participate in the following game, Standoff.

    For everyone
    It's time consuming, as well as difficult to moderate this sort of thing, and it's not something I relish or enjoy doing. It however, must be done as to affirm the belief that you can find quality forum games here on sc2mafia.com.

    If we see anyone that participated in this game do this type of ragequit/angleshooting again, harsher punishments than ladder point withholding and single game bans will be given. You've seen it happen here. You've been warned. Don't do it.

    My note:
    If you ever find yourself being frustrated with a game, remember that policy votes are something you can utilize. You aren't going to win every game. Make your 5 good posts, set your vote, and come back when the start of the next day starts. Give your mind a break from whatever is the cause of the frustration. And then in the post game say "I told you so!".

    Here are the quoted apology posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Here's my apology:

    I shouldn't have done the whole "do x or I replace out" thing. I allowed my frustration to take things too far. I am sorry for that.

    I'll accept any punishment that the FM staff deems appropriate.
    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    Sorry for being toxic. I explained in the dead chat if anybody is curious, but not trying to start more drama here so I’ll just leave it at sorry.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD◄◄

    I am analyzing the game's events to deal with rule-breaking. Please address any concerns privately, but rest assured, I will be transparent in the decisions involving the rule breaking.

    I just don't have time in the next 4 or so hours to read the game and come to a proper conclusion.

    For quick access, you may reach me on discord.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    \Personally I don't like the fetish people get over how many posts they make. It makes them toxic and sets a bad example for a meta. I don't believe it's enjoyable having to scourer through thousands of posts for one day. It's becomes overwhelming and deterring. And I find myself either having to choose between participating or catching up.
    You're not the first person to mention that in the last year or so of games.
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