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any chance to start before 2025?

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
BestPlayer : 1-S2-1-324338

[color="#7fbf3f"][b][u]Respective Hotkeys[/b][/u][/color]
BestPlayer : 2

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
BestPlayer roles Consig in slot 8 with name Saviero D'Aquino.

Night 1
Consig#8 Checks #3, shows Judge.

Day 2
[B]Consig#8 claims Invest and #3 is Judge. Judge#3 is lynched.[/B]

Day 3
Marshall#1 reveals[B]
Consig#8 pmmed Marshall#1 "I recommend 14". #14 is Consort.[/B]

Night 3
Consort#14 dies to Vet#12.

Day 4
Marshall calls second group lynch. #4 is lynched first.
Now only 4 people are left, 1 Marshall, 1 Vet who just killed a maf and 2 Mafia.
[B]Consig#8 voted GF#11 with 2 towns when 3 votes are required to lynch.[/B]
GF#11 gets lynched.
Consig#8 gets lynched.
Game ends in Town victory.

[COLOR="#3f7fbf"][B][U]Was the Game Result altered?[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Yes, mafia lost because he lynched GF.

[COLOR="#bf3f7f"][B][U]Additional Notes[/COLOR][/U][/B]
If [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/51656-TerryFox-1-S2-1-11691592?p=1020665#post1020665"]last report[/URL] can still be explained by stupidity, this time it's blatant gamethrow with him trying to get his allies killed EVERY SINGLE DAY.

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SC ID VERIFICATION
BestPlayer : 1-S2-1-324338

Respective Hotkeys
BestPlayer : 2

Summary
BestPlayer roles Consig in slot 8 with name Saviero D'Aquino.

Night 1
Consig#8 Checks #3, shows Judge.

Day 2
Consig#8 claims Invest and #3 is Judge. Judge#3 is lynched.

Day 3
Marshall#1 reveals
Consig#8 pmmed Marshall#1 "I recommend 14". #14 is Consort.

Night 3
Consort#14 dies to Vet#12.

Day 4
Marshall calls second group lynch. #4 is lynched first.
Now only 4 people are left, 1 Marshall, 1 Vet who just killed a maf and 2 Mafia.
Consig#8 voted GF#11 with 2 towns when 3 votes are required to lynch.
GF#11 gets lynched.
Consig#8 gets lynched.
Game ends in Town victory.

Was the Game Result altered?
Yes, mafia lost because he lynched GF.

Additional Notes
If last report can still be explained by stupidity, this time it's blatant gamethrow with him trying to get his allies killed EVERY SINGLE DAY.

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
BestPlayer : 1-S2-1-324338
Jungle Cat : 1-S2-1-10428633

[color="#7fbf3f"][b][u]Respective Hotkeys[/b][/u][/color]
BestPlayer : 1
Jungle Cat : 2

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
BestPlayer roles Mayor in slot 6 with name repick
Jungle Cat roles Witch in slot 15 with name Kitty Softpaws

Night 1
BD#7 busses Mayor#6 and Amne#12, is bussed by BD#13

Day 2
Invest#3 claims BD#7 is liaison
Mayor#6 reveals, trials BD#7
Both BD#7 and BD#13 gave correct lw. BD#7 is confirmed by #12
Mayor#6 claims not bussed. BD#7 is lynched

Day 5
6 people alive. 3 town 1 triad 1NE 1NB
Amne#12 claims NB and calls to -skip
Witch#15 votes up #12
#12 is lynched, town regained majority

Night 5
[COLOR="#3f7fbf"][B][U]Was the Game Result altered?[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Hard to tell for #6
Yes for #15 since town regained majority by eliminating a non-town


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SC ID VERIFICATION
BestPlayer : 1-S2-1-324338
Jungle Cat : 1-S2-1-10428633

Respective Hotkeys
BestPlayer : 1
Jungle Cat : 2

Summary
BestPlayer roles Mayor in slot 6 with name repick
Jungle Cat roles Witch in slot 15 with name Kitty Softpaws

Night 1
BD#7 busses Mayor#6 and Amne#12, is bussed by BD#13

Day 2
Invest#3 claims BD#7 is liaison
Mayor#6 reveals, trials BD#7
Both BD#7 and BD#13 gave correct lw. BD#7 is confirmed by #12
Mayor#6 claims not bussed. BD#7 is lynched

Day 5
6 people alive. 3 town 1 triad 1NE 1NB
Amne#12 claims NB and calls to -skip
Witch#15 votes up #12
#12 is lynched, town regained majority

Night 5
Was the Game Result altered?
Hard to tell for #6
Yes for #15 since town regained majority by eliminating a non-town

[QUOTE=SeanerZ;1020654]are you saying guiltying a sus claim is gamethrowing now?[/QUOTE]

If you couldve read the report, you wouldve seen Arrow say

"Additional Notes:
This doesn't rise to gamethrowing"

Originally Posted by SeanerZ

are you saying guiltying a sus claim is gamethrowing now?

If you couldve read the report, you wouldve seen Arrow say

"Additional Notes:
This doesn't rise to gamethrowing"

Chad TauntShaman vs Virgin Brann

[SPOILER=summary]
Night 2: Become witch
Last night: 1 triad 1 witch 2 town. sent triad into BG[/SPOILER]

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Chad TauntShaman vs Virgin Brann

Spoiler : summary :

Night 2: Become witch
Last night: 1 triad 1 witch 2 town. sent triad into BG

/sign

/sign

[MENTION=4902]Arrow[/MENTION]
Very self explanatory, so I'm not submitting a full report

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Comments:
Doesn't seem like he is willing to follow the rules after the [COLOR="#FF0000"]permaban[/COLOR] he went through. Might as well save everyone the trouble of having to deal with him ever.

@Arrow
Very self explanatory, so I'm not submitting a full report




Comments:
Doesn't seem like he is willing to follow the rules after the permaban he went through. Might as well save everyone the trouble of having to deal with him ever.

[QUOTE=Auwt;996260]Maybe people hate toxicity and so they choose to leave this game?

That being said, to answer your first comment : there aren't many unique players who have been permanently banned for toxicity.
To get a better idea about what's going on, I recommend having a look at this statistical study made by [MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION] : [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48882-A-Statistical-Analysis-of-Racism-Across-10-790-Replays"]A Statistical Analysis of Racism Across 10K+ Replays[/URL]
Although the title only refers to racism, the analysis considers slurs in general.
I recommend everyone to take a look at it whenever you can.
Here is an extract that should either answer your concerns, or raise new ones, depending on how you currently see the situation.[/QUOTE]

Damn if I saw this post in 2021 maybe I can make a master thesis out of it


Also the stats are presented in a misleading way though,
Although The top 1.89% of players based on number of slurs used contribute 89.20% of all slurs used, meaning that the top 1.89% of players, on average, used [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]428.7 [/COLOR][/B]times more slur than the rest, it should be noted that the bottom 98.11% of players by games played played 4.6 games on average.
If we assume that the top 1.89% players (298 people) played 460 games on average, and that the amount of games played has an 1.00 correlation with slurs used, that would make the top 1.89% of players, by slurs used, only using [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]~4.3[/COLOR][/B] times the slur used by the rest of the players on average per game, which isn't a very large number

Originally Posted by Auwt

Maybe people hate toxicity and so they choose to leave this game?

That being said, to answer your first comment : there aren't many unique players who have been permanently banned for toxicity.
To get a better idea about what's going on, I recommend having a look at this statistical study made by @Lumi : A Statistical Analysis of Racism Across 10K+ Replays
Although the title only refers to racism, the analysis considers slurs in general.
I recommend everyone to take a look at it whenever you can.
Here is an extract that should either answer your concerns, or raise new ones, depending on how you currently see the situation.

Damn if I saw this post in 2021 maybe I can make a master thesis out of it


Also the stats are presented in a misleading way though,
Although The top 1.89% of players based on number of slurs used contribute 89.20% of all slurs used, meaning that the top 1.89% of players, on average, used 428.7 times more slur than the rest, it should be noted that the bottom 98.11% of players by games played played 4.6 games on average.
If we assume that the top 1.89% players (298 people) played 460 games on average, and that the amount of games played has an 1.00 correlation with slurs used, that would make the top 1.89% of players, by slurs used, only using ~4.3 times the slur used by the rest of the players on average per game, which isn't a very large number

[QUOTE=DJarJar;996249]i'm impressed by how this game still have players despite half of everyone being so toxic[/QUOTE]

Maybe people love toxicity and so they choose to play this game?

Originally Posted by DJarJar

i'm impressed by how this game still have players despite half of everyone being so toxic

Maybe people love toxicity and so they choose to play this game?

I'm impressed by how this game still have players despite half of everyone got banned for toxicity

I'm impressed by how this game still have players despite half of everyone got banned for toxicity

Well first off the Turing test is no longer [I]THE[/I] metric for determining whether some "AI" with quotations marks are indeed intelligent. This is because most if not all modern LLMs can pass it with no problem while it's widely accepted that these LLMs are far from being intelligent.

Secondly your argument can be made to prove that humans are not intelligent too.
Your ear drum get as input from the outside some mechanical waves; your nerves translates these waves into concentration of neurotransmitters like Glutamic acid. Your brain look up in the brain what you're supposed to do with those concentration numbers, and give back some numbers of Glutamic acid concentration. Your nerves then pass these concentrations to your muscles. Your muscles stimulates based on the concentration of neurotransmitters and create mechanical waves, which is a process an average mortal would call "talking".
In this processes your brain is only dealing with different concentrations of neurotransmitters.
[QUOTE]Assuming [B][U]your brain[/U][/B] don't understand a word of [B][U]english[/U][/B], [B][U]your brain[/U][/B] still pass the Turing test for understanding [B][U]english[/U][/B]; [B][U]your brain[/U][/B] fool the other person outside into thinking they really are speaking with someone who speaks [B][U]english[/U][/B]. All the same, [B][U]your brain[/U][/B] don't understand a single word of [B][U]english[/U][/B].[/QUOTE]
TL;DR:
just because you can chat with others in english doesn't mean you have intelligence

Well first off the Turing test is no longer THE metric for determining whether some "AI" with quotations marks are indeed intelligent. This is because most if not all modern LLMs can pass it with no problem while it's widely accepted that these LLMs are far from being intelligent.

Secondly your argument can be made to prove that humans are not intelligent too.
Your ear drum get as input from the outside some mechanical waves; your nerves translates these waves into concentration of neurotransmitters like Glutamic acid. Your brain look up in the brain what you're supposed to do with those concentration numbers, and give back some numbers of Glutamic acid concentration. Your nerves then pass these concentrations to your muscles. Your muscles stimulates based on the concentration of neurotransmitters and create mechanical waves, which is a process an average mortal would call "talking".
In this processes your brain is only dealing with different concentrations of neurotransmitters.

Assuming your brain don't understand a word of english, your brain still pass the Turing test for understanding english; your brain fool the other person outside into thinking they really are speaking with someone who speaks english. All the same, your brain don't understand a single word of english.

TL;DR:
just because you can chat with others in english doesn't mean you have intelligence

[QUOTE=DJarJar;982673]Sooner or later they get bored of spamming a join lobby button on multiple accounts for hours and things go back to normal[/QUOTE]

You do believe that?

Originally Posted by DJarJar

Sooner or later they get bored of spamming a join lobby button on multiple accounts for hours and things go back to normal

You do believe that?

[QUOTE=Exeter350;973680]I added a new bug and replay as reported by Mr. Mostache.

Marshall can activate group lynch twice within a single day.[/QUOTE]

That's an old bug. judge can court twice and mayor can reveal twice too if i remember correctly

Originally Posted by Exeter350

I added a new bug and replay as reported by Mr. Mostache.

Marshall can activate group lynch twice within a single day.

That's an old bug. judge can court twice and mayor can reveal twice too if i remember correctly

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;919437]some people play too much eu4[/QUOTE]

Nah us EU4 players believe that romanians are closer to hungarians culturally

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

some people play too much eu4

Nah us EU4 players believe that romanians are closer to hungarians culturally

how about we punish every mafia player for wasting time playing mafia and sentence them to 4 weeks of tree planting to save the earth

how about we punish every mafia player for wasting time playing mafia and sentence them to 4 weeks of tree planting to save the earth

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
TheReborn: 1-S2-1-12761784

[color="#7fbf3f"][b][u]Respective Hotkeys[/b][/u][/color]
TheReborn: Crtl+6

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
TheReborn called out mafia numbers day 2


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SC ID VERIFICATION
TheReborn: 1-S2-1-12761784

Respective Hotkeys
TheReborn: Crtl+6

Summary
TheReborn called out mafia numbers day 2

[QUOTE=ozkalukas;972922]its way funnier when my boys are with me with similar ones, thanks mate, time to start dying night 1 like a BOSS[/QUOTE]

what?

Originally Posted by ozkalukas

its way funnier when my boys are with me with similar ones, thanks mate, time to start dying night 1 like a BOSS

what?

So I'm not the only person who finds the smells of perfume is worse than all kinds of other chemicals women throw at themselves...?

So I'm not the only person who finds the smells of perfume is worse than all kinds of other chemicals women throw at themselves...?

[QUOTE=Arrow;972786]What are these bugs?[/QUOTE]

I couldn’t join certain chat channels, it says “you do not have permission to create or join these channels”. I contacted blizzard and they can’t fix it

Originally Posted by Arrow

What are these bugs?

I couldn’t join certain chat channels, it says “you do not have permission to create or join these channels”. I contacted blizzard and they can’t fix it

My old account has some bugs

My old account has some bugs

LOL no he's not a changed man. He kept joining lobbies to grief when he's on the BL, me myself have encountered it at least 20 times.

LOL no he's not a changed man. He kept joining lobbies to grief when he's on the BL, me myself have encountered it at least 20 times.

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
MrFuzzy: 1-S2-1-10195915

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
MrFuzzy roles Armorsmith in slot 6 with name TauntNigger

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SC ID VERIFICATION
MrFuzzy: 1-S2-1-10195915

Summary
MrFuzzy roles Armorsmith in slot 6 with name TauntNigger

[COLOR=#ff3f3f][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
SuperDuper: 1-S2-1-876392

[COLOR=#7fbf3f][B][U]Respective Hotkeys[/U][/B][/COLOR]
SuperDuper: 1-S2-1-876392: 8

[COLOR=#3fbf7f][B][U]Summary[/U][/B][/COLOR]
SuperDuper: 1-S2-1-876392 roles Sheriff in slot 13 with name Zanipolo the Big

Night 1: #13 the Sheriff writes 9 is triad in lw. He [COLOR="#FF0000"]CHOSE TO NOT CHECK ANYONE[/COLOR]. He was also roleblocked by me #10 Escort.

Day 2: #13 accuses #9 of being triad. #9 is lynched, flips Silencer.

Night 2: #13 the Sheriff writes 10 is triad in lw. He [COLOR="#FF0000"]STILL CHOSE TO NOT CHECK ANYONE[/COLOR].

As sheriff, he didn't check people the first 2 nights, but accuses 9 of being triad when he has no evidence. I think this is griefing.
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SC ID VERIFICATION
SuperDuper: 1-S2-1-876392

Respective Hotkeys
SuperDuper: 1-S2-1-876392: 8

Summary
SuperDuper: 1-S2-1-876392 roles Sheriff in slot 13 with name Zanipolo the Big

Night 1: #13 the Sheriff writes 9 is triad in lw. He CHOSE TO NOT CHECK ANYONE. He was also roleblocked by me #10 Escort.

Day 2: #13 accuses #9 of being triad. #9 is lynched, flips Silencer.

Night 2: #13 the Sheriff writes 10 is triad in lw. He STILL CHOSE TO NOT CHECK ANYONE.

As sheriff, he didn't check people the first 2 nights, but accuses 9 of being triad when he has no evidence. I think this is griefing.

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SecretMemes hacking again

SecretMemes hacking again

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
SecretMemes: 1-S2-1-12563558

[color="#7fbf3f"][b][u]Respective Hotkeys[/b][/u][/color]
SecretMemes: ctrl+2

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
SecretMemes roles Sheriff in slot 4 with name God Save the Queen
Is new acoount with 40k points.
Says 5 7 13 in lag chat.

[COLOR="#3f7fbf"][B][U]Was the Game Result altered?[/COLOR][/U][/B]
5 7 13 are Mafia numbers.

[COLOR="#bf3f7f"][B][U]Additional Notes[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Hacking AND Bank Hacking AND Lag Cheating

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SC ID VERIFICATION
SecretMemes: 1-S2-1-12563558

Respective Hotkeys
SecretMemes: ctrl+2

Summary
SecretMemes roles Sheriff in slot 4 with name God Save the Queen
Is new acoount with 40k points.
Says 5 7 13 in lag chat.

Was the Game Result altered?
5 7 13 are Mafia numbers.

Additional Notes
Hacking AND Bank Hacking AND Lag Cheating

[QUOTE=asdf2020;970653]never knew randoming is punished or intuition is.
in that case you have to punish everyone.
but well ...
it's tauntshaman who is targeting me because we are enemies .[/QUOTE]

I didn't even know, before this report, that isOpenMinded, BlackTartary, tartaryflood are all your smurfs

Originally Posted by asdf2020

never knew randoming is punished or intuition is.
in that case you have to punish everyone.
but well ...
it's tauntshaman who is targeting me because we are enemies .

I didn't even know, before this report, that isOpenMinded, BlackTartary, tartaryflood are all your smurfs

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
Rust: 1-S2-1-12554583

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Rust roles Detective in slot 13 with name Tauntshaman.
Is Trump's smurf. Spams the same thing as in the other report

[COLOR="#bf3f7f"][B][U]Additional Notes[/COLOR][/U][/B]
note the similarity in SC ID
[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/50389-Elru-1-S2-1-6779434-Trump-1-S2-1-12554584[/url]

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SC ID VERIFICATION
Rust: 1-S2-1-12554583

Summary
Rust roles Detective in slot 13 with name Tauntshaman.
Is Trump's smurf. Spams the same thing as in the other report

Additional Notes
note the similarity in SC ID
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...-S2-1-12554584

[QUOTE=jmw;970152]can I ask where you got the 80% from[/QUOTE]

That's just the setup, bastard scale of 2/10

Originally Posted by jmw

can I ask where you got the 80% from

That's just the setup, bastard scale of 2/10

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;969932]

The... the what? How is Bakura, of all people in this game, lurking? He may not have posted super content stuff, but basically nobody has (including yourself), so I don't think that's fair...
[/QUOTE]

Their first 10~ posts are unrelated to the game, hence, lurking. Plus people (you?) voted him before they posted and he didn't respond to it at all.

Which would be what I would do if I were scum.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

The... the what? How is Bakura, of all people in this game, lurking? He may not have posted super content stuff, but basically nobody has (including yourself), so I don't think that's fair...

Their first 10~ posts are unrelated to the game, hence, lurking. Plus people (you?) voted him before they posted and he didn't respond to it at all.

Which would be what I would do if I were scum.

[QUOTE=deathworlds;970007]Hmm. I'd like to hear more from
Aporia
oliverz144
Tauntshaman
TheClowns
10000JellyDoughnuts
and
Ashoka Tano.
They all have around 5ish posts.

What stands out to me is tauntshaman's made three posts, and all three of them revolve around "leads"[/QUOTE]

Of course I'd be asking for leads, why, you want us to random vote with 80% chance of getting a Town out?

[IMG]https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-746d37ec5decd5e5ff73cf7a657d0d62-lq[/IMG]

Originally Posted by deathworlds

Hmm. I'd like to hear more from
Aporia
oliverz144
Tauntshaman
TheClowns
10000JellyDoughnuts
and
Ashoka Tano.
They all have around 5ish posts.

What stands out to me is tauntshaman's made three posts, and all three of them revolve around "leads"

Of course I'd be asking for leads, why, you want us to random vote with 80% chance of getting a Town out?

[QUOTE=Bakura1;969990]

[MENTION=30888]Tauntshaman[/MENTION] what are you on about

[/QUOTE]

Like I said, voting lurkers. There's around 4 or 5 people who's inactive when I decided to vote and I chose the most active one among them, which is you.

Originally Posted by Bakura1

@Tauntshaman what are you on about

Like I said, voting lurkers. There's around 4 or 5 people who's inactive when I decided to vote and I chose the most active one among them, which is you.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;969920]current voting preferences:

[B][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]10000JellyDoughnuts[/COLOR] (1 [L-7]):
[/B]jmw
[B][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]TheClowns[/COLOR] (2 [L-6]):
[/B]ewianking, deathworlds
[B][COLOR="#DDA0DD"]Mreevee[/COLOR] (1 [L-7]):
[/B]Drizzt
[B][COLOR="#AFEEEE"]MartinGG99[/COLOR] (1 [L-7]):
[/B]oliverz144
[B][COLOR="#AFEEEE"]Drizzt[/COLOR] (1 [L-7]):
[/B]Mreevee
[B][COLOR="#AFEEEE"]Bakura1[/COLOR] (2 [L-6]):
[/B]Marshmallow Marshall, Tauntshaman
[B][COLOR="#DDA0DD"]Aporia[/COLOR] (2 [L-6]):
[/B]10000JellyDoughnuts, Frinckles
[B][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Marshmallow Marshall[/COLOR] (1 [L-7]):
[/B]MartinGG99


[COLOR="#AFEEEE"][B]This color[/B][/COLOR] = I very much prefer these to not be today's chop, for whatever reason.

[COLOR="#DDA0DD"][B]This color[/B][/COLOR] = I don't feel like this chop is a good idea, but not to a strong extent.

[B][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]This color[/COLOR][/B] = I'm fine with this, with slight preference towards whoever I'm voting within this group.[/QUOTE]

And the reason behind you having a preference between today's tribute, without anyone saying any result from night 0's investigation is...?

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

current voting preferences:

10000JellyDoughnuts (1 [L-7]):
jmw
TheClowns (2 [L-6]):
ewianking, deathworlds
Mreevee (1 [L-7]):
Drizzt
MartinGG99 (1 [L-7]):
oliverz144
Drizzt (1 [L-7]):
Mreevee
Bakura1 (2 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall, Tauntshaman
Aporia (2 [L-6]):
10000JellyDoughnuts, Frinckles
Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-7]):
MartinGG99


This color = I very much prefer these to not be today's chop, for whatever reason.

This color = I don't feel like this chop is a good idea, but not to a strong extent.

This color = I'm fine with this, with slight preference towards whoever I'm voting within this group.

And the reason behind you having a preference between today's tribute, without anyone saying any result from night 0's investigation is...?

been a day and no actual leads so...
I will [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]-vote the lurker[/COLOR][/B]

[vote]Bakura1[/vote] for now

been a day and no actual leads so...
I will -vote the lurker

-vote Bakura1

for now

anyone want to share leads? why did we start voting immediately?

anyone want to share leads? why did we start voting immediately?

can i expect the game to start around 26th and end around 9th?

can i expect the game to start around 26th and end around 9th?

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;969694]Setup is closed. We don’t know the roles.[/QUOTE]

I'm confused. How do you play if the roles are not known? And what's "Set up is closed"?

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Setup is closed. We don’t know the roles.

I'm confused. How do you play if the roles are not known? And what's "Set up is closed"?

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;969691]Welcome! See the [I]Game Details[/I] spoiler in the OP.[/QUOTE]

I'm looking for list of roles and mechanics etc., game details only contains the game setup or did i miss something?

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Welcome! See the Game Details spoiler in the OP.

I'm looking for list of roles and mechanics etc., game details only contains the game setup or did i miss something?

/sign

where's link to setup?

/sign

where's link to setup?

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
Elru: 1-S2-1-6779434
Trump: 1-S2-1-12554584

[color="#7fbf3f"][b][u]Respective Hotkeys[/b][/u][/color]
Elru: ctrl+1
Trump: ctrl+6

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Elru roles Oracle in slot 6 with name Fedele D'Aquino
Trump roles Detective in slot 9 with name Salvatore

Day 1
#6 accuses me #12 the Swinger of being DH, and tried to vote me up

Day 2
#6 accuses me #12 of visiting #1(died to triad)

Both players were also spamming nazism throughout the game.

[COLOR="#bf3f7f"][B][U]Additional Notes[/COLOR][/U][/B]
At this point I think it's safe to say that Trump is a smurf.

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SC ID VERIFICATION
Elru: 1-S2-1-6779434
Trump: 1-S2-1-12554584

Respective Hotkeys
Elru: ctrl+1
Trump: ctrl+6

Summary
Elru roles Oracle in slot 6 with name Fedele D'Aquino
Trump roles Detective in slot 9 with name Salvatore

Day 1
#6 accuses me #12 the Swinger of being DH, and tried to vote me up

Day 2
#6 accuses me #12 of visiting #1(died to triad)

Both players were also spamming nazism throughout the game.

Additional Notes
At this point I think it's safe to say that Trump is a smurf.

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
Zorq: 1-S2-1-8471427
isOpenMinded: 1-S2-1-4475486

[color="#7fbf3f"][b][u]Respective Hotkeys[/b][/u][/color]
Zorq: 4
isOpenMinded: 6

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Zorq roles Doctor in slot 6
isOpenMinded roles SR in slot 1 with name Princess Amber

Day 1: Zorq #6 role-quit

Night 1: #1 SR drifts.

Day 2: No lead. #1 SR accuses #7 Vet of being Bonker. #1 is lynched, flips SR

[COLOR="#3f7fbf"][B][U]Was the Game Result altered?[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Yes town lost majority immediately as 3 votes are lost. On night 2 there's 12 ppl alive, 5 town, 5 evil, 1 Amne and 1 Jester.

[COLOR="#bf3f7f"][B][U]Additional Notes[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Why am I getting a sense of déjà vu?

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SC ID VERIFICATION
Zorq: 1-S2-1-8471427
isOpenMinded: 1-S2-1-4475486

Respective Hotkeys
Zorq: 4
isOpenMinded: 6

Summary
Zorq roles Doctor in slot 6
isOpenMinded roles SR in slot 1 with name Princess Amber

Day 1: Zorq #6 role-quit

Night 1: #1 SR drifts.

Day 2: No lead. #1 SR accuses #7 Vet of being Bonker. #1 is lynched, flips SR

Was the Game Result altered?
Yes town lost majority immediately as 3 votes are lost. On night 2 there's 12 ppl alive, 5 town, 5 evil, 1 Amne and 1 Jester.

Additional Notes
Why am I getting a sense of déjà vu?

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
Zorq: 1-S2-1-8471427
isOpenMinded: 1-S2-1-4475486

[color="#7fbf3f"][b][u]Respective Hotkeys[/b][/u][/color]
Zorq: 2
isOpenMinded: ctrl+3

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Zorq roles Escort in slot 2
isOpenMinded roles LO in slot 4

Day 1: Zorq #2 role-quit

Night 1: #4 LO watches #10 who was not visited by anyone

Day 2: #4 LO accuses #10 of being triad. #10 is lynched, flips surv

Night 2: #4 LO watches #6 who was not visited by anyone

Day 3: #4 tries to make town trial #13. #4 is lynched instead.


[COLOR="#3f7fbf"][B][U]Was the Game Result altered?[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Almost, there's 7 people alive on day 5, only 3 were town.


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SC ID VERIFICATION
Zorq: 1-S2-1-8471427
isOpenMinded: 1-S2-1-4475486

Respective Hotkeys
Zorq: 2
isOpenMinded: ctrl+3

Summary
Zorq roles Escort in slot 2
isOpenMinded roles LO in slot 4

Day 1: Zorq #2 role-quit

Night 1: #4 LO watches #10 who was not visited by anyone

Day 2: #4 LO accuses #10 of being triad. #10 is lynched, flips surv

Night 2: #4 LO watches #6 who was not visited by anyone

Day 3: #4 tries to make town trial #13. #4 is lynched instead.


Was the Game Result altered?
Almost, there's 7 people alive on day 5, only 3 were town.

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
Trump: 1-S2-1-12554584

[color="#7fbf3f"][b][u]Respective Hotkeys[/b][/u][/color]
Trump: ctrl+6

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Trump roles Spy in slot 6 with name Huizong Jiannei

Night 1:
Mafia visits #1 and #7.

Dat 2:
#6 Spy claims Sheriff and accuses #5 of being Mafia.

Day 3:
#6 is trialed, made no defense, and is lynched.

[COLOR="#bf3f7f"][B][U]Additional Notes[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Please do not tell me this is acceptable behavior!

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SC ID VERIFICATION
Trump: 1-S2-1-12554584

Respective Hotkeys
Trump: ctrl+6

Summary
Trump roles Spy in slot 6 with name Huizong Jiannei

Night 1:
Mafia visits #1 and #7.

Dat 2:
#6 Spy claims Sheriff and accuses #5 of being Mafia.

Day 3:
#6 is trialed, made no defense, and is lynched.

Additional Notes
Please do not tell me this is acceptable behavior!

[QUOTE=CaNNoN;968235]That said, it's a game of deception. To allow someone to report someone else for lying opens up an entire can of worms:

1. I'm an liaison, and claim escort. Lag cries "ESCORT ISNT POSSIBLE READ THE ROLE LIST". Now reportable[/QUOTE]
If escort is possible(free slots in roles list that can fit in an escortg) and someone is trying to convince noobs escort is impossible, I'm not against it.
If escort is possible(expected count>0) and someone is trying to convince noobs escort is impossible(expected count=0), then it indeed should be reportable.

[QUOTE=CaNNoN;968235]2. I'm a witch and claim enchantress. Tauntshaman tells people that "ENCHANTRESS CAN'T MAKE YOU VISIT SOMEONE ELSE ONLY THEMSELVES"[/QUOTE]
Which is correct?


[QUOTE=CaNNoN;968235]Asking SR for their car is attempting to prove a nearly unproveable role. There's nothing abusive about it. If someone wants to BS to get them lynched, it's literally the game.[/QUOTE]
And doctor is more unprovable than SR, yet more ppl fake claim doc than SR. Why? Because people like you ask SR for car model, while doctor roles don't have unique UI text.


[QUOTE=CaNNoN;968235]Funny how TauntShaman, who has been SR at least 40-50 times that I've seen, only cries about that now that he got a griefing & reactionary gamethrowing report against him for his actions following this event.

Only when it's convenient for him, huh.[/QUOTE]
lol "only cries about that now". I've always been against asking SR for car model. Just ask [MENTION=46129]ChannelMiner[/MENTION] , I called it cheating when he did like a few months back. Also, how the hell was I griefing & reactionary gamethrowing? By calling you a cheater?

Originally Posted by CaNNoN

That said, it's a game of deception. To allow someone to report someone else for lying opens up an entire can of worms:

1. I'm an liaison, and claim escort. Lag cries "ESCORT ISNT POSSIBLE READ THE ROLE LIST". Now reportable

If escort is possible(free slots in roles list that can fit in an escortg) and someone is trying to convince noobs escort is impossible, I'm not against it.
If escort is possible(expected count>0) and someone is trying to convince noobs escort is impossible(expected count=0), then it indeed should be reportable.

Originally Posted by CaNNoN

2. I'm a witch and claim enchantress. Tauntshaman tells people that "ENCHANTRESS CAN'T MAKE YOU VISIT SOMEONE ELSE ONLY THEMSELVES"

Which is correct?

Originally Posted by CaNNoN

Asking SR for their car is attempting to prove a nearly unproveable role. There's nothing abusive about it. If someone wants to BS to get them lynched, it's literally the game.

And doctor is more unprovable than SR, yet more ppl fake claim doc than SR. Why? Because people like you ask SR for car model, while doctor roles don't have unique UI text.

Originally Posted by CaNNoN

Funny how TauntShaman, who has been SR at least 40-50 times that I've seen, only cries about that now that he got a griefing & reactionary gamethrowing report against him for his actions following this event.

Only when it's convenient for him, huh.

lol "only cries about that now". I've always been against asking SR for car model. Just ask @ChannelMiner , I called it cheating when he did like a few months back. Also, how the hell was I griefing & reactionary gamethrowing? By calling you a cheater?

[QUOTE=Lag;968234]people claim the car model because it's [I]fun[/I] flavor text.

No one tries to ask people what word oracle feedback uses, like is it "divine" or "foretell" or "read the bones" or whatever because who cares? No one tries to ask people what sound their role made at the start of the game because who cares? [/QUOTE]

No idea what you are talking about, Did you read my post thoroughly?
Are you interpreting my post as me being against people claiming their car model to increase the legitimacy of their claims? How many 2.0 games have you played?

People claim the car model not because it's fun, but because they are forced to. If they don't do so, they get lynched for "fake claiming" SR. And that is what I'm against.

Originally Posted by Lag

people claim the car model because it's fun flavor text.

No one tries to ask people what word oracle feedback uses, like is it "divine" or "foretell" or "read the bones" or whatever because who cares? No one tries to ask people what sound their role made at the start of the game because who cares?

No idea what you are talking about, Did you read my post thoroughly?
Are you interpreting my post as me being against people claiming their car model to increase the legitimacy of their claims? How many 2.0 games have you played?

People claim the car model not because it's fun, but because they are forced to. If they don't do so, they get lynched for "fake claiming" SR. And that is what I'm against.

I'm playing Sc2Mafia because I can't ever get ToS to work on my browser LOLOLOL

I'm playing Sc2Mafia because I can't ever get ToS to work on my browser LOLOLOL

[QUOTE=DJarJar;968217]Have you reported anybody for it?[/QUOTE]

C'mon aamirus you know how things are done here, if you spot a crime in a report that's not being reported, you add the crime to the report, you can't just let it slip because nobody is reporting it.

[QUOTE=DJarJar;968217]Generally the person didn’t consider that they were being unfair and immediately stops once they’re told.[/QUOTE]

NO, just come online and play a few games as SR, and try to tell them asking for car model is illegal on trial. Good luck on not getting lynched.

Originally Posted by DJarJar

Have you reported anybody for it?

C'mon aamirus you know how things are done here, if you spot a crime in a report that's not being reported, you add the crime to the report, you can't just let it slip because nobody is reporting it.

Originally Posted by DJarJar

Generally the person didn’t consider that they were being unfair and immediately stops once they’re told.

NO, just come online and play a few games as SR, and try to tell them asking for car model is illegal on trial. Good luck on not getting lynched.

[QUOTE=rumox;968212]It's been a rule since 2013 at the latest that forcing players to quote their role info verbatim is not allowed[/QUOTE]

And this happens almost every game where there's a SR claim in the current meta, why don't I see anyone being punished for it?

Originally Posted by rumox

It's been a rule since 2013 at the latest that forcing players to quote their role info verbatim is not allowed

And this happens almost every game where there's a SR claim in the current meta, why don't I see anyone being punished for it?

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Mafia is a game about deception, of course, but that doesn't mean one should lie about game mechanics and mislead new players to gain an advantage.

Suppose i'm in a game with a only 3 players, me the Mafioso, a Sheriff and a noob who's also town. I managed to get the sheriff on trial, and the sheriff says something like "n1 #5 ns, n2 #6 is Mafia", and then I proceeds to spam "LIES SHERIFF DETECTS CRIMES AND INVESTIGATORS DETECT ALIGNMENT, GUILTY THIS MAFIA SCUM". If the noob town believed me and lynched the sheriff claim, resulting in a mafia win, will I be proud of myself for being good at lying? No, I will be ashamed of myself.

Mafia is a game about deception, of course, but that doesn't mean one should lie about game mechanics and mislead new players to gain an advantage.

Suppose i'm in a game with a only 3 players, me the Mafioso, a Sheriff and a noob who's also town. I managed to get the sheriff on trial, and the sheriff says something like "n1 #5 ns, n2 #6 is Mafia", and then I proceeds to spam "LIES SHERIFF DETECTS CRIMES AND INVESTIGATORS DETECT ALIGNMENT, GUILTY THIS MAFIA SCUM". If the noob town believed me and lynched the sheriff claim, resulting in a mafia win, will I be proud of myself for being good at lying? No, I will be ashamed of myself.

I've always wanted to post this, and with the 2.0 update this problem has been way more severe and is making the game unfair to new players.

People asking Street Racer claims about their car model should be considered cheating. People should not ask Oracles, Doctors and other roles for the message they receive during night sequences either.

Situation 1.
I'm an evil claiming SR, people ask me about the car model and I can't came up with an answer. What will most likely happen is that I will get lynched for being "fake SR".

Situation 2.
I'm a noob SR claiming SR, people ask me about the car model and I can't came up with an answer because I never drifted and didn't know about the car model's name. What will most likely happen is that I will get lynched for being "fake SR".

Situation 3.
I'm an evil claiming SR, people ask me about the car model and I chose a random one from my list of car models that may show up in game. Then there's a good chance I get innoed not because I'm real SR, but because people think I'm real SR.

Do you see the problem? If people are judging SR claims by whether they can give a correct car model name, what will ultimately happen is that experienced players will just collect a list of correct car models and that's about it. No mind games, no strategy, no counting, no psychology. And this puts new players at a disadvantage.

Oracles claims can have this problem too. If I'm a player who never played oracle once and is fake claiming oracle, I'm certainly not going to know the message Oracles receive upon divination. In fact, I was surprised that the verb "divine" is used to describe the action when I play oracle for the first time.

I've always wanted to post this, and with the 2.0 update this problem has been way more severe and is making the game unfair to new players.

People asking Street Racer claims about their car model should be considered cheating. People should not ask Oracles, Doctors and other roles for the message they receive during night sequences either.

Situation 1.
I'm an evil claiming SR, people ask me about the car model and I can't came up with an answer. What will most likely happen is that I will get lynched for being "fake SR".

Situation 2.
I'm a noob SR claiming SR, people ask me about the car model and I can't came up with an answer because I never drifted and didn't know about the car model's name. What will most likely happen is that I will get lynched for being "fake SR".

Situation 3.
I'm an evil claiming SR, people ask me about the car model and I chose a random one from my list of car models that may show up in game. Then there's a good chance I get innoed not because I'm real SR, but because people think I'm real SR.

Do you see the problem? If people are judging SR claims by whether they can give a correct car model name, what will ultimately happen is that experienced players will just collect a list of correct car models and that's about it. No mind games, no strategy, no counting, no psychology. And this puts new players at a disadvantage.

Oracles claims can have this problem too. If I'm a player who never played oracle once and is fake claiming oracle, I'm certainly not going to know the message Oracles receive upon divination. In fact, I was surprised that the verb "divine" is used to describe the action when I play oracle for the first time.

[COLOR="#ff3f3f"][B][U]SC ID VERIFICATION[/U][/B][/COLOR]
afk: 1-S2-1-3151647
CHUNGUS: claims to be pineapple, ban-evasion

[COLOR="#3fbf7f"][B][U]Summary[/COLOR][/U][/B]
afk roles Double Flower in slot 15 with name Shaunyan Long
On day 2 he shoots #5 the Judge for being the first one to talk, instead of waiting for constable/crier/other confirmed town roles.
Triad night chats shows that he's reactionary game-throwing because he doesn't like the save.

[COLOR="#3f7fbf"][B][U]Was the Game Result altered?[/COLOR][/U][/B]
Constable was able to reveal and live due to Judge being dead and Triad having one less double flower shot. On last night there's 4 players alive, three town and one triad.

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SC ID VERIFICATION
afk: 1-S2-1-3151647
CHUNGUS: claims to be pineapple, ban-evasion

Summary
afk roles Double Flower in slot 15 with name Shaunyan Long
On day 2 he shoots #5 the Judge for being the first one to talk, instead of waiting for constable/crier/other confirmed town roles.
Triad night chats shows that he's reactionary game-throwing because he doesn't like the save.

Was the Game Result altered?
Constable was able to reveal and live due to Judge being dead and Triad having one less double flower shot. On last night there's 4 players alive, three town and one triad.