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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Do you think what Helz did is inherently scummy, though? There are many weird town plays that could be pulled from that (and I won't say what they are to avoid giving a how-to manual to scum). While there's nothing making me say that Helz is definetly town, there also is nothing making me say he's definetly scum, or even suspect him, so I'd call him a town lean for now.
    I'm trying to look into his stunt to the best of my abilities, and all I can come up with is it being NAI.
    There was one strange thing from Helz all this fiasco. It's that - it's a little hard for me to believe that Helz didn't read the setup. Especially not reading the one thing he is was acting of doing - is a little hard to believe. I mean obviously, Richard was going along with it, but it wasn't obvious to Helz by the virtue of Helz not reading what he "acted" to do. And because of that spent several posts afterwards to taint Richard? Would scum act like they didn't read the setup to taint a player for several posts? Would a town act like they didn't read the setup to probe for reactions? Neither makes sense to me tbh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    What request? I must have missed it.
    Here

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Afaik there's no confirmation it actually happened, so I assume it didn't? Anyway, what made you change your mind and "whatever" out of your vote? I don't understand your thought process.
    My original vote on Helz was a meme, made funnier by my earlier claims of being god . This was just unvoting a RVS vote basically, though him being "God" at that point might have something to do with it.
    I think what you're not seeing is that, when I replied to the post where I voted Helz, I didn't read the posts that came before that - where that kill was "confirmed" by Richard's unvoting. Here I have.



    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Wisp's comment about why you thought Helz was a wolf was absolutely appropriate, though. I've yet to read Wisp's reply to my posts addressing him, but taken strictly in a vacuum, this interaction puts Wisp as townier than you.
    That's fair. He's a dickhat nonetheless and is the reason I now know this site has a block list.
    Wish I had learned it sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid Richard Dawkins View Post
    Bahkieh has made content. It may not be content up to your standards, but it's content nonetheless.
    Now in retrospect - I think we can see how this might of been not the most suited setup for this unique game length.
    When you know that your time is limited - you naturally want to push others for more content.
    Now if you add it being caused by one's own misplay - just think of what it does to the subconscious mind. I think it's quite natural to subconsciously want to blame others for a lack of content whenever anything even slightly not serious or gamesolvy appears.
    The man himself used his early posts to chit chat. Now he can't the sight of even a slightly not "I want to lynch this guy" vote, even though given the day length we should be barely out of RVS.
    I think only a rare few players wouldn't become a pain in the ass being in God's shoes in a situation like this.
    I sincerely believe that this is a far from optimal setup for the day lengths, and would result in toxicity in many playthroughs. And that's not including the theme of the setup. xD

    I swear @Marshmallow Marshall is secretly a troll and made this setup predicting all of this. xD
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    "let's sheep"
    "bad reaction" (even though the most normal one)
    "assume you acted all game!" (only reason given is in order to sheep)

    I mean wtf?
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    [QUOTE=Hybrid Richard Dawkins;915222]Baaaaaa. Let's sheep confirmed townie and suck up to them now
    -vote Leto II
    but yeh now Leto takes the highroad and is acting that they where so certain that Grey was town. Good job, want to stress it out more? Geez Leto reactions not good.
    [/QUOTE @Hybrid Richard Dawkins Could you elaborate please?
    What specifically is about my reaction "not good"?
    I'm having trouble seeing a world where being upset, that my top town read got killed in the worst play possible, could be seen as a "bad reaction". What makes it "bad"?



    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid Richard Dawkins View Post
    You fail to understand that in so, I include all your previous opinions on Grey as acting. And why would we speed up day 1 when today is the only day that Wiisp is able to contribute in before they die.
    I missed that word the previous time I read this.
    May I ask why you chose to randomly decide that I was "acting" the entire game? Like do you have any reason for it? At all? It seems rather random and unnecessary unexplained / unelaborated.

    By your own words, you're sheeping the confirmed town. Deciding I was acting all game, without any other reason than to sheep. Deciding that my reactions were bad, for no other reason than to sheep.

    Do I make assumptions here, in the above paragraph? By assuming your given reason is your sole reason? I don't see why you wouldn't give any other reasonings yourself as either alignment tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid Richard Dawkins View Post
    I mean it as a compliment when I say that you could almost define a philosopher as someone who won't take common sense for an answer.
    I appreciate your kind words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiisp View Post
    and that's a good thing? lmao
    Are you even looking at what I'm replying to?
    Have I ever said anything about it being good or bad?

    You're making assumptions about my feelings, you don't attempt to read be but instead nag about semantics, you're putting words in my mouth.

    Like, dude. I thought you were smart. But I think you couldn't even try to be more biased. To be less rational. To do not rationalizing for your confirmation bias.

    Could a discussion with you even be any less open? Or Is this a norm for you?

    Dude, gtfo of my face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiisp View Post
    you literally voted yzb just now, and you called everyone tranquil except you did hedge a bit on MM, thats the only difference
    Hey, Wiisp. You make me not feel tranquil. You don't give me a tranquil feeling.
    I just called you not tranquil, apparently.

    Best case scenario, you're not even trying to understand what I'm saying, but instead nag about semantics. The best case scenario is where you don't even try to read people anymore... Great...
    You so cool man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid Richard Dawkins View Post
    You fail to understand that in so, I include all your previous opinions on Grey as acting. And why would we speed up day 1 when today is the only day that Wiisp is able to contribute in before they die.

    If you are not kidding then state your reasonings, with backup like past similar events and reasonins. Because accusations of gamethrowing have no place in public during a game, and if you are using the idea of gamethrowing to further your alignments goal then that is a horrid way of playing and against the spirit of the game.
    My previous opinions? I literally town read him even in the post where I voted him, as explained later in the game. How can you say you take my previous opinions into consideration when you apparently don't even know them? Are you for real?

    And, while it's true that the optimal course of action is to prolong day1 for as long as possible. Are you seriously wanting to sacrifice the joy and atmosphere of a game for the sake of optimal play? Who would have thought that the roleplaying guy wouldn't care about joy...
    You're telling Y after doing X. What is the name for it? Cognitive dissonance? Or perhaps deception / scum painting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiisp View Post
    MM is anything but tranquil*
    I didn't call them tranquil. Read again.
    I already voted yzb.

    I don't care about the kill on Gray? Yeah.. ok. You got me. How folly of me to think that you wouldn't presume my true feelings, seeing through my deception.
    I don't even know what this is called what you're doing. Bad rationalizing into believing and thinking what you want to, I guess?


    My man. I hope you don't mind if I don't interact with you for my duration in this game? Which is something I hope I can manage for my own sake and for the games atmosphere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid Richard Dawkins View Post
    Baaaaaa. Let's sheep confirmed townie and suck up to them now
    -vote Leto II
    but yeh now Leto takes the highroad and is acting that they where so certain that Grey was town. Good job, want to stress it out more? Geez Leto reactions not good.
    I'm not acting anything you fool, don't make shit up dickhead.

    Apparently you missed my read on gray/mm/martin/yzb which was before this day kill.

    Either way, it is my wish to end this day sooner than later - prolonging it only brings suffering.

    -unvote

    Ftr, I have a suspicion that the triggered wiisp is secretly legit trying his best to game throw. No, I'm not kidding.
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    This game turned out much worse than expected
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    Wiisp, you can't be serious that Gray is dead?
    That's the dumbest thing of dumbest things, the worst of the worst that you (if true) could have done.
    There's literally no play that's worse than that.

    Gray was the towniesr town to ever have towned.

    If this was the mod, I'd report you for game throwing - that's how bad it is.

    And after you do the worst thing possible, you have the audacity to call other players bad? You seem like the rational type, I'm sure you'll realize the hypocrisy and stupidity in it eventually...

    Was it because there were >>3<< votes on you? Dude...
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    [QUOTE=Wiisp;915159]
    Quote Originally Posted by Leto II View Post
    what meme?
    Lord have mercy on this poor bastard.

    Why are you gae?
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    Wiisp I think you upset about the day kill that happened
    -vote wiisp
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    [QUOTE=Wiisp;915154]Why add gay to that comment? [/QUOTE @Wiisp
    Off topic but serious question.
    You being an avid FM player and your question that I quoted presumably being sincere - are FM players around the world really so out of touch with memes?
    How can you not know that expression...

    FM good place for memes imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiisp View Post
    Why add gay to that comment? And how does that make them a wolf? Also can people stop stating they are replacing in thread, holy shit lol.
    You and yzb keep exaggerating on the meanings of random votes. ;)
    Are you yzb's mate?


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    https://youtu.be/5GCCyxvRjDY
    0:30-0:36 my reaction to the day kill.
    Had to check the setup page to see no trickery with suicide's possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto II View Post
    Btw, why did you lie about using day kill?
    Aivion was online, made a post, but no flip happened.

    Fake and gay
    -vote helz
    Ohh lol that actually happened.

    Daaamn son. And I thought I got hero complex sometimes
    It'd be funnier if Helz missed ngl. Helz the Hero or Helz the Failure, we shall see.
    Bad play even if hit tbh, because could spend weeks on flushing out info from the slot. That's unusually impulsive...

    No host message though. Fake and gay?
    Ehh whatever.
    -unvote
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    I thought it'd be funnier tbh. A fun word chose to autocorrect itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto II View Post
    Ehh, I suppose it isn't that hard. One scum we already know - yzb. That slot just creeps me out.
    I say that without having read 50% of the thread.
    While at it, I can add that Gray-whatshisface and mm and martin give me a tranquil feeling. I confirm them to be town. MM less for being a filthy bastard by ignoring my request.
    But If Gray-whatshisface was any greener, he could live amongst the Namekians, Yoda would get a little free erection first time in centuries, and House Harkonnen would mistake him for one of their lamps.
    In a world where Martin flips red I would be surprised indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    A big chunk of it was 2 players saying very little with lots of posts.
    Ehh. I am confident in it. I have a pretty solid tell on one of the heads there and running game theory I came up with this being optimal play. Crucify me post game if I am wrong. I want to really push myself and see if I can nail 2 scum D1. Its something I have never done before and would be a nice feather in my hat : )
    Ehh, I suppose it isn't that hard. One scum we already know - yzb. That slot just creeps me out.
    I say that without having read 50% of the thread.

    On a personal note, my ability to procrastinate is out of this world.
    Hoping I'll bring myself to catch up today.

    Btw, why did you lie about using day kill?
    Aivion was online, made a post, but no flip happened.

    Fake and gay
    -vote helz
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    @AIVION
    I wish to make a small request.
    Could you post a list of the accounts that are playing? (or edit the one in #1)
    I believe there are 2 Hydras in this game and I know SJ is one of the heads for one of them, do we know the others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    or maybe its Wiisp for letting us know he will be inactive and the reason for said inactivity lol. scum have done this literally every single game I was in recently
    I can't get myself to even start catching up knowing that there's an endless amount of time.
    Do me a favor and don't count the days of my inactivity.

    Tbh, 100-150 posts in this game feel like 500-600 in other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Not a big fan of the mag train. Smells opportunistic. Especially cuz both of the votes seem to be for things that were anti-town rather than actually scummy. Hell, the supposed anti-town posts weren't even anti-town, and voting mag for being anti-town is not gonna stop him from being anti-town lmao.
    Confirm or deny that you were caught up when you made this comment please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    This deserves to go in my signature.
    You have no signature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    My reply is mechanical? You don't say! That's the point...

    Also, if it was unclear, I'm saying that God should claim before using his kill if he wants to be confirmed by the kill, not in general. The path God chooses depends on the circumstances (for example, if we'd be at MYLO if God smites a townie, it would be a sin not to claim before killing to prevent a CC war that could cost us the game).

    Please elaborate on how you read my post instead of saying "the idea sounds suspicious" or "the post feels mechanical" (especially since the post is literally about mechanics in a setup I made........)
    My man, have I irritated you?

    In almost all scenarios Satan would wait out their "guess the role" ability just for God, that's where your suggestion becomes unsettling.
    When I said "mechanical", I meant - you weren't sincere, clearly only joking around given the ":P" in the end. That ":P" is really out of place there if you were anything else but joking around. A filler question.


    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    What makes this scummy instead of "mistaky"? I'm assuming you think it's scummy since you placed your vote there, and yet I see you talking to him clearly acting like you know he's town...
    If you want to know my read or thoughts on him - just ask. I find him very towny.
    For why I called the act "scummy" and placed a vote - it's in order to discourage similar acts in the future. Made null and void as of right now...

    I look at what you saw in my post, and I don't see a "What did he try to accomplish here?" question popping up in your head. I only see either "what is his read on him?". I don't like it, for at best it's NAI when I had hoped to see something that makes you towny instead.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    I love you.
    I don't.
    I rather players with the decency to extend the common courtesy to the other players of interacting with them like with human beings.
    I will try my best to respect him. No promises.


    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    It will all depend on if they lurk and do nothing or if they actually step in at some point. For now, they're null.

    I should probably stop posting now
    Officer of a confectionery, may I ask a favor of you?
    You have given the impression of willing to go the route of replying to every sentence in the game. (Which is more disruptive than helpful as a town while good flooding tactic as a scum, but the act itself is NAI excluding meta) May I ask that you don't leave out #8 and give your opinions regarding that?

    I sincerely hope you won't keep going the route of replying to every sentence and asking about every little thing. Nearly everyone has expressed a diswant for that sort of thing so at least I'm not the only one.

    test test test
    Size 1 is bigger than regular text?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    An autocrat is you, Mr. God-Emperor :P
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/autocrat

    Grey is wrong, though: we don't have last wills. Plus, God's kill is theoretically instantanous, which means there is no need to say who you're targeting to avoid playing with the Vigilante: it's literally a smite out of nowhere. Claiming God before using the kill could be a good idea if you want to be confirmed by the kill, though.

    By the way, Grey Swan, dir, why are you elaborating a mechanical way to play the game without reading the setup? :P
    Thank you for the link!

    Your reply about Grey feels mechanical, and the "claim before kill" idea sounds suspicious.
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    I assume at least some here have played many games with completely new FM players present.

    Any opinions on @Bahkieh entrance post?
    I think I have seen similar but can't remember their alignments in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    @yzb25 Could you explain this? Because from my perspective it looks like you literally just scum slipped in the classic sense of the word, lol. Were you taking it to mean they were scum and could make that analysis regardless of if you were town or not?



    I’m sorry, I know I said I would not be posting again for a while, but if this is an actual slip I cannot let anyone else point this out first lmao. No way I’d forgive myself for ignoring this, and letting someone else take credit for it, lol.
    I have good news and bad news. And they're both the same!
    You don't need to feel the Hero Syndrome for the possibility of yzb red flip. It's all mine thanks to my 2nd post in the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    Are you asking what God should do to get the real God to slip? :P
    You're such a troll lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    I think God should keep their nightkill to deter potential God fakeclaims (and obviously stay hidden).
    Also, if God reveals, they should 100% reveal who they are going to use their kill on so the person they vig has time to prepare a decent last will and a roleclaim, so we at least have something from them if they're town (and if they're scum I suppose it could be read into, too). Plus if God reveals, kills someone and causes a hammer, that would be some kinda bullshit lol. Obviously the last one isn't gonna happen unless God is extremely inattentive, but better safe than sorry, lol.

    A God who thinks they have scum pinged down can also nightcheck someone and if they're scum shoot them. That's also one way of playing that role ^^
    Those were some good points, thank you. Also, I didn't even know we have Last Wills here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    YESSSS



    Correct! That's the point of the game. Agreed with your reasoning.

    God should definetly not smite instantly, and instead should wait until He has a reasonable amount of info against someone. As for his check-or-heal, checking is indeed pretty good, but you never know when a heal may be handy. The setup is designed with quite a lot of kills, after all, so the heal possibility is here to balance it out. I'd let it up to God's judgment and let it WIFOM so that scum don't have info on what God plans to do.

    -vote Leto II
    Because in this dire hour, we ought to fight for democracy and reject autocrats...
    You tell me what an autocrat is without me having to google it, or I OMGUS you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayswandir View Post
    Tbh Wiisp saying this could be AI ^^ Wiisp could be a downright asshole to his scumreads lmao, it was so hilarious. Wiisp could potentially be trying to be ‘nicer’ bc shitting on ppl as scum is kinda meh, and it doesn’t paint as much of a target on him if he plays nice.

    FWIW, I totally won’t mind if you start calling ppl idiots for misreading :P I find that shit hilarious, especially since the way you did it wasn’t really that toxic.
    If you're town, I beg of you to not reveal your "weapons" early. Wait it out.

    Imagine this hypothetical scenario: you told me first hour into the game that I usually do x as scum. Great! Now I do y. When instead you could have just waited for me to continue and then made your case a couple hundred posts later.

    Please don't reveal to the scum how they have to play in order for you to town read them.

    I'm not a fan of chitchatting like apparently some others are.
    But what you did here I find inherently anti-town.

    -vote Grayswandir


    This post might be hypocritical of me. But I find it important for every towny to be aware of this sort of thing especially given the game length.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiisp View Post
    As an avid player of long day phases
    1. pace yourself
    2. Don't slank
    3. Vote early and/or a lot, being stingy with your vote means we see less pressure and the game is slower.
    4. If we ever no yeet I will end you all
    Your input is appriciated.
    -vote yzb25
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Hi. I thought this would be like, anxiety-inducing af but now I'm in it I realize this is super chill if you have literally weeks to mull over reads and can just go awol for days and take a break lol. I'm reading thru the setup rn.

    Gonna be interesting to see how pressure works psychologically over such extreme time periods. Idk if some forms of pressure will even exist in the same way. I think we should be open to early hammers. Not suggesting we play this like a 48h game, I get ppl wanna chill. But if there's at least a decent threat of getting lynched after a week there'll be much more potential for AI tells.

    I'm reading thru the setup rn. I don't get why god would ever not use the check over the heal. Using the heal instead seems insanely risky and fps-ish. w.r.t. Leto's question, I think the kill should probably be saved for later on to be used in a POE-ish sort of way. It shouldn't just be thrown away on day 1. And if there's a god CC war later then the kill can resolve it for us if god still has it. I think the same is true of the check.
    Interesting post.

    I think that this setup could be anxiety-inducing only for the Scum. Therefore someone talking about their own experience regarding anxiety is what I find interesting in it's own.

    What exactly have we got here? (I will put some words on yzb25's mouth to make my point across)

    • The 1st paragraph expresses relief regarding the lack of anxiety.
    • The 2nd paragraph expresses irritation regarding the lack of pressure that the Scums could feel.

    I want everyone to take a moment and contemplate on the train of thought that went behind of making that post, it might be important.

    What are your soul reads on yzb25's frame of mind for when he made that post? Please take your time. Share your opinions.

    @yzb25 I think your thoughts regarding the proper use of God's powers are spot on.

    @Grayswandir Don't ignore questions. And I hope you will keep the fluffing to a minimum this game. 3 weeks per day makes it easy to flood the thread and make it unproductive. I'm sure you know that.
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    I am God-Emperor Leto II,

    Follow my rule and humanity will be led down The Golden Path. We shall exterminate the unholy and put an end to this Eternal Conflict!


    I believe that you all have been deceived.
    @Paul is not Paul the Apostle from Old Terra. He is, in fact, Paul Atreides. Muad'Dib, The Preacher, The Dune Messiah. His Jihad cost the lives of over 60 billion people and now he deceives you into thinking that he is someone that he is not!
    We must keep an eye on Paul.

    But for now, I have a question for all of you. When do you think is a proper time for a God such as myself to Smite down the unholy? I want clear and honest answers only.
  34. Forum:Signups

    Thread:S-FM Eternal Conflict (off-queue game) Take 2

    Thread Author:AIVION

    Post Author:Leto II

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    ►►Re: S-FM Eternal Conflict (off-queue game) Take 2◄◄

    God-Emperor Leto Atreides II reporting for duty.
    @Paul
    Father, how do you wish me to address you? Dune Messiah? Muad'Dib?
    The religion of Muad'Dib is a fake!
    60 billion people died in your Jihad, while you did not have the courage that I had.
    I endured ~3500 years of torment, all for the good of humanity. I was alone. I will forever be remembered as a Tyrant. I am more Worm than Human.

    Paul, Father. I have come to stop you.
    I foresee every one of your moves before you even think of them. Your powers are nothing compared to mine, for you didn't have the courage to go through this metamorphosis nor to endure thousands years of torment.
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