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Cry more & then host a save without new roles. DRINK CHEESE JUICE!

Cry more & then host a save without new roles. DRINK CHEESE JUICE!

Thanks for the clarification - killing a neutral as Triad and spamming racist slurs are on the same punishment level in the eyes of the mafia admins.

Thanks for the clarification - killing a neutral as Triad and spamming racist slurs are on the same punishment level in the eyes of the mafia admins.

How is this gamethrowing?

Is it because triad lost due to the unexpected afk heart attack? Both triad members decided to -suicide thinking that one triad would be left and we would still win. There was no time to cancel once the afk heart attack occurred.

Is it because the Lover lost? Triad only has an allegiance to themselves, there is no requirement to help neutrals out along the way. It may be a dick move to suicide there, but it is not playing against win conditions. Is it gamethrowing when Triad decides to shoot a confirmed judge/witch/auditor over a member of the town? Maybe stupid/mean but Triad wins with or without the neutral evils.

Also, you once again missed blatant racism in a report. Invictus called me the n-word 5 times after I suicided and he died. Here you go: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/49955-Invictus-1-S2-1-11575925[/url]

I don't understand how a Triad killing a neutral was punished for gamethrowing and a racist spammer was ignored in this report.

How is this gamethrowing?

Is it because triad lost due to the unexpected afk heart attack? Both triad members decided to -suicide thinking that one triad would be left and we would still win. There was no time to cancel once the afk heart attack occurred.

Is it because the Lover lost? Triad only has an allegiance to themselves, there is no requirement to help neutrals out along the way. It may be a dick move to suicide there, but it is not playing against win conditions. Is it gamethrowing when Triad decides to shoot a confirmed judge/witch/auditor over a member of the town? Maybe stupid/mean but Triad wins with or without the neutral evils.

Also, you once again missed blatant racism in a report. Invictus called me the n-word 5 times after I suicided and he died. Here you go: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...-S2-1-11575925

I don't understand how a Triad killing a neutral was punished for gamethrowing and a racist spammer was ignored in this report.

Account Name: Invictus
Account ID: 1-S2-1-11575925
In-Game Name: Cult Vigilante

Crimes Committed: Racism

Your Account Name: CheeseJuice
Summary:
Invictus called me a racial slur (n word) multiple times at around 20 minutes into the game after he died.

Replay: [ATTACH]28471[/ATTACH]

Account Name: Invictus
Account ID: 1-S2-1-11575925
In-Game Name: Cult Vigilante

Crimes Committed: Racism

Your Account Name: CheeseJuice
Summary:
Invictus called me a racial slur (n word) multiple times at around 20 minutes into the game after he died.

Replay:

[QUOTE=MrMostache;963885]Here are some recent mafia reviews.


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What the hell? If the blame for the current state of this game can be pinned on one person, that person is [B]You[/B]! Keep ignoring blatant racists that spam racial slurs in the first 5 seconds of the replays you review and focus instead on players you have personal vendettas against: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/49359-Selective-Punishment[/url]

The only thing you should be doing in this thread is apologizing for the state you've allowed this game to fall into.

Originally Posted by MrMostache

Here are some recent mafia reviews.

What the hell? If the blame for the current state of this game can be pinned on one person, that person is You! Keep ignoring blatant racists that spam racial slurs in the first 5 seconds of the replays you review and focus instead on players you have personal vendettas against: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...ive-Punishment

The only thing you should be doing in this thread is apologizing for the state you've allowed this game to fall into.

Worst part about this replay was that the jailor didn't even know that SK is supposed to kill the jailor. His own ignorance helped him get the SK... poor SK.

Worst part about this replay was that the jailor didn't even know that SK is supposed to kill the jailor. His own ignorance helped him get the SK... poor SK.

A broken clock is right twice a day... I agree remove this option please.

A broken clock is right twice a day... I agree remove this option please.

Account Name: Toast
Account ID: 1-S2-1-6031826
In-Game Name: im out of patience

Crimes Committed: racism

Your Account Name: CheeseJuice

Summary: genocidal racism within the first 10 seconds of the game

[ATTACH]28201[/ATTACH]

Account Name: Toast
Account ID: 1-S2-1-6031826
In-Game Name: im out of patience

Crimes Committed: racism

Your Account Name: CheeseJuice

Summary: genocidal racism within the first 10 seconds of the game

[QUOTE=Ryttun;948986]Jagd, why are you suddenly so interested in following the rules? You haven't seemed to care about them all this time, at least not in any of the games we played together. [/QUOTE]
Because I just found out I can appeal since I asked in discord yesterday. Better to stop breaking the rules and play on a single account than to continue making smurf accounts, no?

[QUOTE=Ryttun;948986]Just own it, man. This isn't a court of law, it's regular people trying to protect the integrity of a community-driven game. Integrity that you clearly don't care about.[/QUOTE]
I've never said I don't deserve the bans for bank hacking and ban evasion, I'm just trying to appeal on the grounds of ceasing bank hacking and ban evasion.

[QUOTE=Ryttun;948986]edit: also why is anyone pretending that Jagd is being banned for a 2min night save? this is what classic misdirection looks like. You were told you were being permabanned for ban evasion, amongst all the other issues. is your 2min night save annoying? absolutely. bannable? of course not. lets not kid ourselves here. that is not what is going on here and you know it, and it's been spelled out for you already.[/QUOTE]

Because the mod that banned me stated "He is clearly bankhacking, and host a save with 2 minutes long night, prompting people to leave." The reason for the ban is bankhacking [B][U]and [/U][/B]2 minute night save. If 2 minute night save isn't bannable, why even mention it? I'm just trying to clear that up before I appeal.

Originally Posted by Ryttun

Jagd, why are you suddenly so interested in following the rules? You haven't seemed to care about them all this time, at least not in any of the games we played together.

Because I just found out I can appeal since I asked in discord yesterday. Better to stop breaking the rules and play on a single account than to continue making smurf accounts, no?

Originally Posted by Ryttun

Just own it, man. This isn't a court of law, it's regular people trying to protect the integrity of a community-driven game. Integrity that you clearly don't care about.

I've never said I don't deserve the bans for bank hacking and ban evasion, I'm just trying to appeal on the grounds of ceasing bank hacking and ban evasion.

Originally Posted by Ryttun

edit: also why is anyone pretending that Jagd is being banned for a 2min night save? this is what classic misdirection looks like. You were told you were being permabanned for ban evasion, amongst all the other issues. is your 2min night save annoying? absolutely. bannable? of course not. lets not kid ourselves here. that is not what is going on here and you know it, and it's been spelled out for you already.

Because the mod that banned me stated "He is clearly bankhacking, and host a save with 2 minutes long night, prompting people to leave." The reason for the ban is bankhacking and 2 minute night save. If 2 minute night save isn't bannable, why even mention it? I'm just trying to clear that up before I appeal.

[QUOTE=MrMostache;948983]
P.S panther has yet to appeal and wasted his entire thread talking about me. Needless to say, I know where this is going.
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Mr. Mod may I direct your attention to the appeal rules here (you may not have read these since you're just a volunteer):
[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/21625-Section-Rules-and-Appeal-Instructions[/url]

It states that "We need to understand why the Keeper who reviewed your report was mistaken and why you should not be punished per their recommendation. Reviewing a report once again takes additional time and resources so we ask that you take the appeals process seriously..."

I haven't appealed yet because you gave me two bits of (potential? maybe?) misinformation that I need to clear up first:

1. You told me I couldn't appeal
2. You mentioned I was banned partially due to the 2 minute night save

It seems both items are above are not actually true based on conflicting statements from others, and I'm trying to sort that out before I appeal. Or are you suggesting that I flaunt the rules and submit my appeal quickly without fully understanding the ban?

Originally Posted by MrMostache

P.S panther has yet to appeal and wasted his entire thread talking about me. Needless to say, I know where this is going.

Mr. Mod may I direct your attention to the appeal rules here (you may not have read these since you're just a volunteer):
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l-Instructions

It states that "We need to understand why the Keeper who reviewed your report was mistaken and why you should not be punished per their recommendation. Reviewing a report once again takes additional time and resources so we ask that you take the appeals process seriously..."

I haven't appealed yet because you gave me two bits of (potential? maybe?) misinformation that I need to clear up first:

1. You told me I couldn't appeal
2. You mentioned I was banned partially due to the 2 minute night save

It seems both items are above are not actually true based on conflicting statements from others, and I'm trying to sort that out before I appeal. Or are you suggesting that I flaunt the rules and submit my appeal quickly without fully understanding the ban?

That would make sense if the mod in question had no idea who WEWUZKANGZ is, but as [B]you yourself[/B] linked in that thread, the very same mod banned him here:
[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48612-WeWuzKangz-1-S2-1-10371102[/url]

In that thread, the mod admits:
"This is a [B][U]known[/U][/B] guy from some time ago. All his reports were around 2019 and all ended in WLx4".

I can understand that mods won't catch every offense in every replay reported, but the case that Veliaire referenced is a clear case of selective punishment where the defense of "it wasn't blatantly obvious" doesn't apply. The reporter used the exact same name (that was [B][U]known [/U][/B]by the mod) in this forum to report the replay and spammed the N word within the first 10 seconds of the game starting. And we know for a fact that the player was on the mod's radar yet was not punished for ban evasion or racism.

That would make sense if the mod in question had no idea who WEWUZKANGZ is, but as you yourself linked in that thread, the very same mod banned him here:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...-S2-1-10371102

In that thread, the mod admits:
"This is a known guy from some time ago. All his reports were around 2019 and all ended in WLx4".

I can understand that mods won't catch every offense in every replay reported, but the case that Veliaire referenced is a clear case of selective punishment where the defense of "it wasn't blatantly obvious" doesn't apply. The reporter used the exact same name (that was known by the mod) in this forum to report the replay and spammed the N word within the first 10 seconds of the game starting. And we know for a fact that the player was on the mod's radar yet was not punished for ban evasion or racism.