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  1. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Merchant

    Thread Author:Kefka

    Post Author:ariel135

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    ►►Re: Merchant◄◄

    Actually i like this, but change it a bit:

    Make the merchant choose a target, and give a gun to that target, the target doesn't know he received a gun (option on-off?)
    (maybe u can also do it by day, like "Sell #")

    then at night / or following night, the person uses his night abillity normally, but instead of his abillity, it causes him to shoot that person (so for example, it can make a doc shoot his target instead of saving, or witch doc kill a cultist friend instead) - this can do havoc and be rly fun.

    then if ur predefined / chosen target is killed, u win, and u cant give more guns.

    what u say?
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    ►►ML not getting a msg if a cultist is saved by a witch doc◄◄

    well, i was cult, and i got purged by ML, WD saved me.
    ML did get a msg "ur target is a cult". and then he urged to lynch me the next day (i claimed i wasnt attacked).
    and i told him he was probably witched (there was a witch).

    i couldnt defend myself, and i told him the other day to purge me again and see if i'm really cult.
    n2: i wasnt purged, the witch doctor was.
    d3 the cultist which i converted died by lynch (random), so now witch knew for 100% i'm cult, i told the ML to come and smithe me, see if i'm rly cult and prove that i'm not. (i was hoping the witch to control him).
    witch didnt control him (stupid witch), so all cult died, and only gf and witch left against tons of townies.

    anyway, i know there's a problem because purging costs a smithe to the mason leader, but shouldnt something be done if a witch doc saves a cultist?
  4. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:The Marshall

    Thread Author:LeCapEtan

    Post Author:ariel135

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    ►►Re: The Marshall◄◄

    i havent read the replies,
    but marshal is fine, the problem is with the other players who are lynch hungry.

    you can activate ur abillity and thats it, no1 votes.
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    ►►Re: Create a command for choosing which Cultist converts◄◄

    its good that its random, cult can be very smart, so coordinate a "unlikely be killed" cultist to go convert is bad.
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    ►►any1 else has a problem with some dead guys LW?◄◄

    when i try to do -lw #, when a guy clearly left a LW, it doesnt always work (and i get no output).
    happened to any1?
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    ►►Re: can u explain me how framer frames?◄◄

    it was alot of games ago, i dont know where's the replay.

    when it will happen again, i'll post a bug.
  8. ►►MAJOR BUG - citizen card is missing, when there's a citizen in play.◄◄

    which will cause insta kill of the citizen.

    you must fix it.

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    ►►Re: can u explain me how framer frames?◄◄

    i was 100% ML/GF when i was framed, and gf was immune.
    weird.

    random between which roles? (only to invest)
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    ►►can u explain me how framer frames?◄◄

    one game i was the neutral killer, and i was framed.
    invest saw me as "ML/GF/marshal", but gf is immune to detection.

    why didnt he frame me as citi/sinister? how does framer logic works?
  11. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:spy pairing with GF?

    Thread Author:ariel135

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    ►►Re: spy pairing with GF?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by powerofdeath View Post
    Godfather is usually immune to detection, so it will come up as citizen
    There is an option of turning off invulnerable for all of those roles
    i would happily remove gf detection, but its a problem agaisnt the sherif, i dont want the sherrif to detect the GF.
  12. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Warg

    Thread Author:Genesis17E

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    ►►Re: Warg◄◄

    i like it, once u're disguised, u get the role completely, and u continue to play as that guy.

    but 1 thing, if you are "5", and u target 2, it should say that 2 died, and 5 will get the new role, not like disguiser, that 5 will somehow die.
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    ►►Re: Replay - Godfather against the world◄◄

    if troll is not being silent like most of mafias then fine.
    and i didnt win, the guy threw the game for me and left,
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    ►►Replay - Godfather against the world◄◄

    Well, i didnt win this, but for a sad reason
    Care to watch.

    I was GF (DragoonRuler - in game name: Cryer).

    things looked very bad for mafia, kidnapper was shot by vigi early without ever kidnapping, consig was found early by sherif and lynched.
    i decided to fake detective.

    at day 4, i voted with the town against the found consig (after sherif's LW - i knew he would put it, but couldnt risk him to shout who's mafia the other day). and then added who DIDNT vote consig to trial.

    night 4: by consig's check, i wanted to kill 8, which might be a doctor - but i couldnt risk killing a witch doctor so soon. so i changed the target to 2, which i suspected as important role. i was right - Jailor dead.
    day 5: as suspeted, 8 who i wanted to kill is indeed witch doc, good that no kill was wasted.
    night 5: i had to kill the confirmed doctor, couldnt let myself have a night with no kills.

    * note, that the confirmed investigator 5 - was not killed, because i was afraid of doctors healing him, and, i knew he wouldn't check me becuse i gave him 3 people to check.
    day 6: we innoed the arso, but then i noted that i can't have him in play, i might be doused - so the invest found him early, but we didnt listen to him.
    i decided its time to lynch the arso, so thats what happened.

    night 6: it was time to invest to die, couldn't risk a "citizen" investigation yet, or another investigation for a player i wanted to accuse as GF

    day 7: me against 13, who the investigator said "i think its 13".
    so there was still a spot for "town investigate" left, so i faked a perfect detective, said he visited and killed invest.
    13 - was a true lookout, and told that i killed 5.
    wrote my last will fast, the saw that the LW is correct. (i knew 9 was vet from consig clue, and most likely he didnt use his alert). so i added it up at night 5.

    3 town against 1 godfather

    i managed to get the actual lookout to trial, and they did plan to vote him guilty.
    but the retard just left the game, so "just in case" they innoed him and guiltied me...
    no matter.
    (i wanted to kill 13 and fake a veteran, but i couldnt once the lookout discovered me, so i changed my accusation).


    have fun!
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  15. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:spy pairing with GF?

    Thread Author:ariel135

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    ►►Re: spy pairing with GF?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by creedkingsx View Post
    spy reading PM's doesn't exist anymore.
    So there you go, the spy-gf pairing is perfect.

    and if the mafia has consort for example, the gf can say "this and that were targeted" - if he's in a bad situation - perfect.

    and about ML/mason, well, mostly gf has immunity - so it wont show up as ML.
    besides, just look at the role list, and you can see that ML+mason+cult mostly doesnt exist,
    besides - if somehow a "mason" dies or lynched, u found the other mafia by their fake mason/ML claim.

    still a spy/gf pairing would be better than the current very bad not suspicious pairing.
  16. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:spy pairing with GF?

    Thread Author:ariel135

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    ►►Re: spy pairing with GF?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus View Post
    What about moving Godfather over to the jailor/kidnapper?

    Or over to doc/witch/witch doctor?
    jailor/kidnapper is IMPOSSIBLE to fake, and the last one is still not so good.

    it needs to be with a citizen, but it needs something with more meat, i dont feel that "easily lynched jester/survivor" can hold water, especially if the neutral benign is known (for most of those boring setups)

    i usually fake detective, or anything else that might fit, but i still like the spy fake, because GF knows what mafia did.
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    ►►Re: when crier and marshal are coming to all servers?◄◄

    btw the map is updated fun!
  18. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:spy pairing with GF?

    Thread Author:ariel135

    Post Author:ariel135

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    ►►Re: spy pairing with GF?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by kyle1234513 View Post
    and if "can see pm's" is enabled, its RIP godfather
    True, but most setups disable pms anyway.

    the current gf pairing is not good, mostly for the usual boring setups.

    i liked the citi/sinister better
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    Thread:spy pairing with GF?

    Thread Author:ariel135

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    ►►spy pairing with GF?◄◄

    i dont like the gf immunity of amne, surv, citizen,crier.

    most publics lynch citizens claim, and crier, well - u must prove urself at night.

    not mentioning amne and surv, which are bad claims too.

    why not getting back the spy-gf pairing? so a GF can fake spy? its much more useful than the current pairing.
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    ►►Re: when crier and marshal are coming to all servers?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Deantwo View Post
    Got it, thanks
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    ►►Re: when crier and marshal are coming to all servers?◄◄

    but isnt it already ready? why to wait?
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    ►►Re: How prob NOT to play as executioner◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    jailor OP obviously
    jailor played well, we couldnt hear the exe anymore at day with his raging
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    ►►when crier and marshal are coming to all servers?◄◄

    we still dont have that upgrade..
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    ►►How prob NOT to play as executioner◄◄

    Well, i've been in a match with a guy, who yelled at day 2: "I'M SHERIF/INVEST! X IS FRAMER! STUPID TOWN! RAGE RAGE RAGE"
    he was accused as EXE.
    The funny thing is, that he was JAILED AT NIGHT 1!!!
    he was about to be executed, then by the last second he said "im witch", so i guess he thought it was a kidnapper.

    i checked his target the following night, saw that he is indeed a sherif, as he revealed when he was accused.

    he still raged day 3, i was jailed at night 3.
    i told everything to the jailor, that the guy lies.

    he kept spamming the chat that X is mafia, and town is stupid and gonna lose, then the jailor executed him as suggested by me.

    after that, we talked several times, he claimed that he played the executioner "perfectly", and this is how you play it.
    also, he claimed that "smart town" should atleast send him to trial on day 2, (and this is my addition-) so he can reveal his role soon and be a target for the mafia. - and thats exactly what town did, and by that, outed the sheriff.


    we were together several games, and i wrongly told him that he played a game badly as godfather aswell (though i took it back - he still raged), jailor got him n1, no maf kill, also jailed him at n3, then he said that X is mafia, and jailor told town that he was jailed and lied. so he got jailed again - executed.
    he told me that it was perfectly played, because jailor could RB him the entire game,
    i told him - that jailor could STILL do that, but jailor executed him.

    another funny thing, is that they had a kidnapper that game, and i explained him that kidnapper would be able to kidnapp the jailor before the jailor can jail (who jails first wins), but still he told me i dont know how to play.

    and another game, where i saved his ass (as BG), and he failed to finish off the last mafia member.

    anyway, i claim that the "day 2 claim, i'm sherif/invest, X is mafia" is the most noob way of playing as an exe.

    what do u say?

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    ►►Re: no witch doctor card, doctor becomes witch doctor on.◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post


    Ariel we need a replay to know what exactly happened. Regardless of how easy to reproduce it was. Cryptonics question is likely what happened, but we can't know unless you check your replay.

    i'm sorry :/ It's just me being lazy..
    I've attached the replay for the last bug, but now i don't think i'll be able to find this replay.

    Cultist was NOT excluded (a cultist turned a doc into WD).

    you can delete this thread, if i'll encounter this bug again, i'll attach the replay
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    ►►no witch doctor card, doctor becomes witch doctor on.◄◄

    i'm not attaching replay because its easy to reproduce.

    exclude witch doctor (or setup without evil role).
    doc becomes WD = on.

    there can be WD in game, but no card.
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    ►►Re: person that visits beguiler that goes to an alerted veteran?◄◄

    so? visitor dies or not?

    i know that beguiler dies
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    ►►person that visits beguiler that goes to an alerted veteran?◄◄

    what happens to the guy who visits the beguiler? (should redirect actions to vet - and die?)
  29. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Role Suggestion: Eraser

    Thread Author:CardiffKilla

    Post Author:ariel135

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    ►►Re: Role Suggestion: Eraser◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Lazers View Post
    Good idea but I can't see many applications for it, since a lot of roles need their abilities to actually help the town

    I could see it going well with Mayors, Citizens, and Spies but not much else, and being randomly erased in a pubbie would be frustrating as fuck, like you implied in your disadvantages

    Has some neat potential at endgame, though, like erasing a neutral killing in order to guarantee an extra night for the town, or something like that

    S'cool
    i'm not sure, u can erase a sherif to give him 1 more night to put something on his last will.

    You can also switch the days to get it more interesting:

    at day, the eraser will choose who to erase (-erase command), and then the target will be erased even the following night (same as u target a guy who's dead for killers), and he will come back to life the other night.

    that means - he will still be a potential target for the mafia, that will see his role again at night, and only leave more clues in last will
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  31. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:crier spam?

    Thread Author:ariel135

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    ►►Re: crier spam?◄◄

    cool, but times between msgs is not good, because night is short.

    anyway, if it has anti spam like in day, then cool
  32. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:crier spam?

    Thread Author:ariel135

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    ►►crier spam?◄◄

    i just wondered, i havent seen crier in action (the map version is not latest in the server)

    but cant a crier just spam the night, and prevent mafia from talking? (which kinda ruins it)

    If so, maybe limit the crier's messages to like, 10 rows?
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    Thread:Role Suggestion: Eraser

    Thread Author:CardiffKilla

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    ►►Re: Role Suggestion: Eraser◄◄

    no no no! the spy is great, the marshal should be taken out (or the stump card).

    the only question about this role, is, if the target seems to be cleaned, and in graveyard - will after that day it be removed from the graveyard? (as target "comes back to life"?)

    and what will coroner see? (your target still alive?) - if so, it can be cool for disguiser purposes.
  34. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Role Suggestion: Eraser

    Thread Author:CardiffKilla

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    ►►Re: Role Suggestion: Eraser◄◄

    btw if a card is missing, just get rid of the stump, its useless and only mods can turn ppl into it
  35. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Role Suggestion: Eraser

    Thread Author:CardiffKilla

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    ►►Re: Role Suggestion: Eraser◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Genesis17E View Post
    Since the town roles are full, if you don't want to replace this with the marshall, why not make it a mafia role?
    Because marshal is poor, in for example, 4 players situations, he can really lynch 3 players and win, no matter whos' town and who's mafia.

    Marshal can really ruin the late game and really cause the game to suck.
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    ►►Re: Deduct more points if a citizen/doc/sheriff leaves.◄◄

    rolequitting is gamethrowing,
    i lost a game because a citizen was raging about him being citizen, used his bulletproof at night 1 and said "i ahve nothing to do here anymore", and left (i was ML - he was the only citizen there is - cult won eventually because of it).

    also, doc rolequit aswell, which ruined it more.

    i'm sick of it.
    u dont want a doc/citi? get enough points to blacklist.

    i still vote for -100 points for rolequitting.
    or you know what?

    make a person have 3 times to rolequit at day1/2 or even 3, count it associating with his account, and punish when its after 3 quits.

    but make something that will make ppl stay, they dont want the role? don't play mafia.
  37. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:does jailor always consider home?

    Thread Author:ariel135

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    ►►Re: does jailor always consider home?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Phyr View Post
    I just played a game as agent. I noticed that the Godfather didn't say anything in the night chat. So I went to him to see if he got jailed. Interestingly (for me) I noticed that the Godfather visited somebody despite no kill command having been issued. My first though was that he may have been witched. But his target didn't die and the target claimed Jailor having jailed the Godfather. So the Jailor forced him to visit him.

    I'm not 100% sure about the other case. I know that before the new roles were implemented a Jailor would visit his target when executing. I don't know if that was changed. If not, it holds true.
    cool, so its nice tactic for agent to visit GF if jailed, to take out the jailor
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    ►►Re: Witch doctor excluded, when using only "Any random"◄◄

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    Cultist: only 1 night betweren.. is checked
    WD: limited 2 saves, 1 night between...
    Doc becomes WD enables aswell.
  39. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Role Suggestion: Eraser

    Thread Author:CardiffKilla

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    ►►Re: Role Suggestion: Eraser◄◄

    1 night between hide is also good i think
  40. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Role Suggestion: Eraser

    Thread Author:CardiffKilla

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    ►►Re: Role Suggestion: Eraser◄◄

    i like this role amazing.
    yep, i havent played with the marshall, but i heard it's a really bad role.

    remove marshal - add this!
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    ►►Re: Deduct more points if a citizen/doc/sheriff leaves.◄◄

    20 points is not much.
    maybe 50?

    appeal can be good, (cause sometimes u just have to leave).

    that would scare rolequitters
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    ►►Re: Deduct more points if a citizen/doc/sheriff leaves.◄◄

    why is that? if u're not happy with 100 points, just don't rolequit which is more seveare
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    ►►Deduct more points if a citizen/doc/sheriff leaves.◄◄

    Or, deduct more points if someone leaves day1 or day2, (few hundred points?)

    i'm sick of people leaving because they are citizens/doctors...
  44. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:does jailor always consider home?

    Thread Author:ariel135

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    ►►Re: does jailor always consider home?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Phyr View Post
    It's actually the other way round. Jailing forces the jailee to visit the Jailor. Of course he won't be able to make use of his night action.
    The notable exception is an execution. When executing the Jailor will actually visit his target.
    Are u sure?
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    Thread:does jailor always consider home?

    Thread Author:ariel135

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    ►►does jailor always consider home?◄◄

    to a detective for example
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    ►►Witch doctor excluded, when using only "Any random"◄◄

    so, i got a save that has:
    Neutral killing
    Any random
    Any random

    rest are mafia/town.

    Witch doc is not excluded from random, but when i started the game, there was no witch doc card.
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    ►►Re: something weird happened as witch doc◄◄

    thought so, thx.
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    ►►something weird happened as witch doc◄◄

    i was GF,
    there was a BD who switched mafia member with "X",
    i attacked "X", which redirected to the mafia memeber.

    witch doc went on "X", means, it was redirected to mafia member.

    the maf member was healed, and witch doctor was told "ur target was saved".
    but he did not turn into cult.

    thats true? mafia members by witch doc don't turn to cult?
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