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    I mean @ and quote function the same, both give the user a notification. I thought that would be obvious with what I mean by don't @ me. If I know how to turn them off for a thread I would but I don't.
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    What did I say about removing the build up and looking at only the result man. Seriously you @ me after I asked not to just to spit in what I have said time and time again. Maybe you should read the text that came before that passage. Oh wait you can't because you don't believe in context.

    Seriously don't @ me I don't want to take part anymore.
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    I read something describing that not too long ago lol



    Mmm yes being pro abolishment cause it doesn't affect you... until your factories come to a screaming halt because the plantations stop producing the goods they require. Tariffs the federal government put in place to ensure domestic markets rather than reliance on the international market. Just because they didn't have slavery like the South doesn't mean they wouldn't have been affected by abolishing slavery, they had skin in the game too. For visual sake the British textile industry was ~60% reliant on the Souths cotton alone. Imagine how reliant the North was on it and other slave produced goods because of tariffs encouraging domestic trade. But yeah, another rabbit hole - just peaking down this one.

    Pls don't @ me anymore I want off this wild ride
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    No Ganelon my point of discussion with you and Helz are different, you aren't the same person. My point with you and always has been is how you keep pushing away the slavery aspect of the civil war. You have done it since the beginning of the thread and you are still doing it.

    >Abolishment was an undeniable Northern policy
    >War is started over this policy

    "Northerners didn't give a shit about slavery they just wanted to protect the union."

    If you think the Northerners didn't give a shit about slavery what was the point of even taking the stance? You keep on trying to separate the slavery when you fucking can't, then you go off on a tangent. You can't chop away the driving factor of something and just look at the result. This is what I have been saying on the topic since I started commenting on it. I give up chasing you down all these rabbit holes you go down to dodge this.
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    From the link in previous posts

    Contemporary historians overwhelmingly agree that secession was motivated by slavery. There were numerous causes for secession, but preservation and expansion of slavery was easily the most important of them. The confusion may come from blending the causes of secession with the causes of the war, which were separate but related issues. (Lincoln entered a military conflict not to free the slaves but to put down a rebellion or, as he put it, to preserve the Union.)
    Even historians of that era overwhelmingly disagree with the rhetoric put out here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    Also saying Abraham Lincoln was racist has no weight. It was mid 1800's. Every man and his dog was probably racist.
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    Was waiting for when the appeasement from the north to keep the union together was going to be mentioned lol.
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    The Union was by no means morally superior. If you read the actual appeasements they tried to make you will see how cooked everyone in the USA was. Some of it can be argued as time wasting but the Corwin Amendment... lol
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    Sounds fairly standard as far as war time doctrines go but the actual implementation of it leaves a lot to be desired. The south did not recover for a very long time.
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    Sherman by no means is innocent, he pretty clearly sets himself up to be absolved of any possible perceived immorality while at the same time reaping the rewards if such immorality isn't perceived.
    Quick look over shows I am well aware of the immoralities of the North. But again, I am not here to argue the immoralities of the North when there are people in this thread trying to prop up the "state rights" argument over slavery.
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    This entire discussion is 50x longer than it needs to be because it literally ran off into dozens of whataboutisms.
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    Never said the North wasn't evil in fact I have made several posts indicating the opposite. If you choose to interpret that I have the stance that the North is morally superior and can't be evil after I have said numerous times they weren't then that's on you, not me. I'm not here to argue every half degree, intricate variable of the civil war. I have said my purpose time and time again, you cannot separate the abolishment sentiment that predominantly came from Northern states from why the South seceded. I think I have said this at least 5 times now. Literally go read the thread again if you think I am propping the North up on some false moral platform.

    You and Ganelon can run off on tangents all you want but I will keep bringing up the point that Ganelon tries to stray from.
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    We going round again?
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    And I'd fall back on my original point, the causation cannot be put aside for the justification. Full circle yay.
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    North wanted to end slavery, South didn't. South was clearly on the verge of seceding so the North compromised to allow slavery in existing Southern slave states. The South saw the writing on the wall that even if this happened, slavery wasn't destined to stay so they seceded anyway to ensure it's survival on their terms. The Union declared war because they seceded. This is as layman as I think I can make it while not subscribing to a biased narrative. I really do not know why you keep trying to push this other narrative.
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    Congratulations you have just gone full circle.
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    Climate change is often the loudest voice heard on the destruction of the great barrier reef, but do you know what is just as damaging? Starfish juiced up on agriculture sector run offs.

    In 2000, an outbreak contributed to a loss of 66% of live coral cover on sampled reefs in a study by the CRC Reefs Research Centre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    Lincoln used the emancipation proclamation as a tool for sure to win the war, what better way to disrupt the economy of the south than to say lol you're free. He was willing to keep slavery if it meant that the Union stayed together as did other Northerners. I think people are getting hung up on the wrong figureheads tho. Abolitionism was a key driving part of Northern policy. Why do you think the South took a moral stance on the issue? When everything else is exhausted your morals is really all you have left. They saw the writing on the wall, the North (for the most part) did not want slavery.
    Touching in this for clarity, I believe Lincoln was motivated by abolishment sentiments but also heavily valued the Union being held together even if it meant forgoing abolishment aspirations.
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    Uhh if you want to challenge or understand someone's opinion you literally have to argue. Do you want to hold hands and dance around a fire singing kumbaya until we eventually understand each other? I get that you want to be "open minded" but that is a pretty naÔve view on how people with opposing ideas talk to each other.

    In logic and philosophy an argument is a series of statements intended to determine the degree of truth of another statement, the conclusion.
    This thread has been for the most pretty fucking tame. If you don't believe me just log onto Facebook for a reminder lol.
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    Lincoln used the emancipation proclamation as a tool for sure to win the war, what better way to disrupt the economy of the south than to say lol you're free. He was willing to keep slavery if it meant that the Union stayed together as did other Northerners. I think people are getting hung up on the wrong figureheads tho. Abolitionism was a key driving part of Northern policy. Why do you think the South took a moral stance on the issue? When everything else is exhausted your morals is really all you have left. They saw the writing on the wall, the North (for the most part) did not want slavery.
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    18 fully clothed cowboys in the showers at ram ranch
    Limp flaccid relaxed sexual organs wanting to be left alone
    18 fully clothed cowboys wanting to read a good book
    Cowboys in the showers of ram ranch

    Standing around not wanting to engage in homosexuality
    Ram ranch really rocks
    Wholesome, good-looking cowboys, their sense of dignity throbbing hard
    18 more wild cowboys out in the yard
    Big bulging backpacks ever so full of camping equipment
    Complimentary shampoo in the showers of ram ranch
    Big, hard math problems like a breed of ram wanting to think about algebra

    Big, hard throbbing comic books being read real deep
    Cowboys even dreaming about batman in their sleep
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    Cowboys love big hard throbbing comic books
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    Warm towels in the showers at Ram Ranch
    On their knees wanting to suck cowboy comic books
    Ram Ranch really rocks

    Hot, hard buff cowboys their cosplay lookin' good
    18 more wild cosplayers out in the yard
    Big, bulging costumes very fantastic
    Pokťmon Go in the showers at Ram Ranch
    Big, hard, throbbing Call of Duty ramming terrorist butt
    Like a breed of Navy Seals wanting to fight
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    Sherman by no means is innocent, he pretty clearly sets himself up to be absolved of any possible perceived immorality while at the same time reaping the rewards if such immorality isn't perceived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    The doctrine was in effect - take from the land enough supplies to sustain the army but do not assault the citizens or enter their homes, unless partisans (like the french resistance in ww2) present themselves then basically torch the whole place. I don't think the intention was to decimate the Souths economy as hard as they did, rather to try and bring an end to the war asap. Sounds fairly standard as far as war time doctrines go but the actual implementation of it leaves a lot to be desired. The south did not recover for a very long time.
    ... IV. The army will forage liberally on the country during the march. To this end, each brigade commander will organize a good and sufficient foraging party, under the command of one or more discreet officers, who will gather, near the route traveled, corn or forage of any kind, meat of any kind, vegetables, corn-meal, or whatever is needed by the command, aiming at all times to keep in the wagons at least ten day's provisions for the command and three days' forage. Soldiers must not enter the dwellings of the inhabitants, or commit any trespass, but during a halt or a camp they may be permitted to gather turnips, apples, and other vegetables, and to drive in stock of their camp. To regular foraging parties must be instructed the gathering of provisions and forage at any distance from the road traveled.

    V. To army corps commanders alone is entrusted the power to destroy mills, houses, cotton-gins, &c., and for them this general principle is laid down: In districts and neighborhoods where the army is unmolested no destruction of such property should be permitted; but should guerrillas or bushwhackers molest our march, or should the inhabitants burn bridges, obstruct roads, or otherwise manifest local hostility, then army commanders should order and enforce a devastation more or less relentless according to the measure of such hostility.

    VI. As for horses, mules, wagons, &c., belonging to the inhabitants, the cavalry and artillery may appropriate freely and without limit, discriminating, however, between the rich, who are usually hostile, and the poor or industrious, usually neutral or friendly. Foraging parties may also take mules or horses to replace the jaded animals of their trains, or to serve as pack-mules for the regiments or brigades. In all foraging, of whatever kind, the parties engaged will refrain from abusive or threatening language, and may, where the officer in command thinks proper, give written certificates of the facts, but no receipts, and they will endeavor to leave with each family a reasonable portion for their maintenance.

    VII. Negroes who are able-bodied and can be of service to the several columns may be taken along, but each army commander will bear in mind that the question of supplies is a very important one and that his first duty is to see to them who bear arms....

    ó‚ÄČWilliam T. Sherman, Military Division of the Mississippi Special Field Order 120, November 9, 1864.
    Like I said the actual implementation of this doctrine leaves a lot to be desired. The burning of an entire city (I'm assuming it's Atlanta) cannot fairly be attributed solely to Sherman imo. Sure he is the superior, but there is so much more to what happened to Atlanta then simply Sherman burned it. Examples: confederates took up defensive positions in the city, confederates destroyed buildings before fleeing, subordinates under Sherman taking their own initiative, conflicting stories on the destruction regardless of allegiance.
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    So you're saying we should permanently ban you?
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    That's literally who I'm talking about
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    help police
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    I'm angry
    I've had enough of these people
    They're a bunch of Christian-murdering scum that run giant death factories
    Keeping babies alive and selling their body parts
    What more do you need to know about these people?
    I go out and face these scum
    They literally crawl out from under rocks
    They have green-looking skin
    And they run around screaming "We love Satan, we want to eat babies."
    I have them on video

    Hillary is into creepy, weird, sick stuff, man
    She sleeps in the same room with that creepy weirdo woman whose mother wears a hood over her head. (What the hell?)
    That woman, number one, is ugly
    Imagine how bad she smells, man
    I'm told her and Obama just stink
    Obama and Hillary both smell like sulfur

    Literal vampire potbelly goblins
    Are hobbling around coming after us
    My spirit gets close to that evil and I feel it go
    Ahhhh! Ahhhh! Ahhhh!

    We're such self-centered crap
    We don't even notice Hell itself rising up against us
    Millions are pouring in people, of the very worst type
    And I'm so pissed
    We're gonna stab your daughter at the mall
    Ahhhh! Ahhhh! Ahhhh!
    We're going to stab your wife, your son
    Ooooooooooooh!
    We're gonna stab you with a butcher knife
    And then the Police Chief is gonna say
    "We love our Somalis, we love our Muslims
    Oh they're so good, oh they're so sweet."
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    The Internet is not
    The Internet is not a big truck
    The Internet is not
    Something that you just dump something on
    The Internet is not
    The Internet is not a big truck
    The Internet
    It-it-it-it's a series of tubes!
    The Internet is not
    The Internet is not a big truck
    The Internet is not
    Something that you just dump something on
    (It's tubes!)
    The Internet is not
    The Internet is not a big truck
    The Internet

    Streaming stuff
    Onto the Internet
    Why?
    Tubes!
    The Internet is tubes!
    Connections!
    Consumers!
    Massive commercial purposes
    Big truck
    Long distance
    It's tubes - Tangled up tubes!
    (Tubes)
    Enormous series of tubes
    Your own personal Internet
    (Tubes)
    The World Wide Web
    The Internet is tubes
    (Tubes)
    Those tubes can be filled
    And if they're filled
    (Tubes)
    The Internet is gonna be delayed (Delayed)
    A series of tubes

    The Internet is not
    The Internet is not a big truck
    The Internet is not
    Something that you just dump something on
    I wanna make sure people understand my position
    The-uh, this system uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-oh-uh-uh
    These people are asking for regulation, okay?
    I just the other day got Internet
    Sent by my staff at ten o'clock in the morning on Friday
    I got it yesterday!
    So if we wanna talk about the consumers
    Let's talk about you and me
    Yes sir?
    (I'm sorry, I thought you were finished, I'm sorry)
    No, I'm not finished!

    These people are massively invading
    This world of the Internet
    Why?
    Tubes!
    The Internet is tubes!
    Providers!
    Consumers!
    Movies delivered to your house
    Big truck
    Small business
    It's tubes - Tangled up tubes!
    (Tubes)
    Enormous series of tubes
    Your own personal Internet
    (Tubes)
    The World Wide Web
    The Internet is tubes
    (Tubes)
    Those tubes can be filled
    And if they're filled
    (Tubes)
    The Internet is gonna be delayed (Delayed)
    A series of tubes!
    [Outro]
    The Internet is providers
    The Internet is consumers
    (Tubes)
    The Internet is you and me
    The Internet is not a big truck
    (Tubes)
    The people who are streaming through
    A whole book at a time
    (Tubes)
    Maybe there is a place for the Internet
    And again...
    The Internet is a series of tubes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    I wouldn't say its overlooked, more beside the point.
    It would be like adding jet fuel to a bonfire.
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    I wouldn't say its overlooked, more beside the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    That is a valid point. I remember there was one specific union officer who went on a rampage burning as many homes and farms as he could. Some of the unions objectives seemed to be not just to win the war but decimate the souths ability to recover after the war.
    The doctrine was in effect - take from the land enough supplies to sustain the army but do not assault the citizens or enter their homes, unless partisans (like the french resistance in ww2) present themselves then basically torch the whole place. I don't think the intention was to decimate the Souths economy as hard as they did, rather to try and bring an end to the war asap. Sounds fairly standard as far as war time doctrines go but the actual implementation of it leaves a lot to be desired. The south did not recover for a very long time.
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    It's okay Ganelon, we are strangers on the internet after all. Literally messages going through a SeRiEs Of TuBeS. Discussing stuff like this can be mentally straining because it's a challenge of a very personal part of yourself that isn't often challenged.


    The Union was by no means morally superior. If you read the actual appeasements they tried to make you will see how cooked everyone in the USA was. Some of it can be argued as time wasting but the Corwin Amendment... lol
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    Was waiting for when the appeasement from the north to keep the union together was going to be mentioned lol.
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    Also @Helz don't mistake my dislike of the motto for an all out attack on religion. I find it very interesting and do find it useful, but also recognize many of its flaws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I can see why someone would say divorce is immoral. Theres many wrong things about divorce; first the fact that you arrived at the point where divorce is the only way forward shows that something seriously wrong happened somewhere. Either they married the wrong person or something horrible happened after marriage. Itís also not okay to leave your children behind just because you cannot reconcile with the other person.

    Of course, divorce should be legal and Iím not claiming otherwise. But I definitely think that religious people have a point when they say divorce is wrong (it is, and thereís absolutely no question about it). You canít just dismiss it.
    You conflated immorality with wrong. When you say something could be immoral you followed it up by saying how it's wrong therefore affirming the immorality of it, then agreed personally that it's wrong. Yes you did say after this divorce is not immoral, but do you see why I'm pretty skeptical of your response? I still stand by that your post where you said it isn't immoral is disgusting and exactly why I question if you truly do think divorce isn't immoral.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Alcoholics Anonymous has practicing atheists who use the word "God" as their 'higher power' that keeps them sober. It can be simple things like their Kids or their Life/Sanity. From what you are saying it sounds like you are just getting hung up on semantics because you want to push the Atheist faith. How is that any different than pushing a religion? In that regard spirituality goes out the window and its just about 'us vs them' on both sides.
    My point was that I never understood that drive to say "I do not believe in any God and I want to push this belief on those who do." I get that religions are all too often really disgusting things but they provide some basic functions I believe every human should practice. The simple process of challenging your belief structure and reconciling your behavior to your belief structure is just a healthy human practice. If someone does it and ties it into what you see as an imaginary sky man why do you feel the drive to push against that?
    One of the angles I push is that religion is a healthy and beautiful thing but the power structures that manipulate it are really evil. For example I believe the Vatican is easily the most evil organizations that has ever existed in documented history but I think Catholicism brings many people morality, peace, and comfort. I would rather you just ask me about my beliefs than take one word I say and assume my belief structure and therefor agenda in the future.
    I'm not an atheist. Pretty easy to make the mistake of assuming eh. A religious motto within a secular state. I don't see how anyone can come to the conclusion that this isn't going against what a secular state actually means. Blows my mind.
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    Kind of dodging the discussion? What discussion? That people can be moral or immoral with marriage and divorce? No shit, there is no discussion to be had there. People can do fucked up shit we all get that. Ganelon said divorce is immoral. Not only is that an explosive hill to stand on, it's factually wrong even considering the institutes stance on it that he was advocating for. I'm not here to argue how people can be moral or immoral with marriage, I was here to point out saying divorce is immoral is retarded.

    Yzb25, is divorce immoral?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Would you say we should all get divorces then?
    I know what youíll say, that I demonized the victim. Iím not. I think itís deplorable these things happen. That doesnít make divorce GOOD. It makes it the lesser of two evils.
    Divorce is neither moral or immoral.... it's the actions or landscape that determine the morality of it. You are falling back on "so you're saying" points that your idol Peterson was the subject of, not very cash money.

    Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
    My honest opinion is I think you need to reflect more. A lot of what you say is very disconnecting. This is in part of my opinion that you argue in bad faith.

    Last post in this thread, exhausted my will to continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    No, divorce isnít immoral but itís definirely WRONG. You only have one life. How much time are you gonna waste with divorces? Thatís why you look HARD for the right person to make sure that divorce isnít necessary, and work with them through the relationship to make sure that differences are resolved peacefully and productively. You canít possibly have me look at someone who divorced and go, GEE WELL DONE, you did something with your life. Of course abuses happen and people have all the right to get a divorce then, but that doesnít change the fact that they wasted years of their lives with the wrong person. Nobody can give that time back to them; how do you make up for that time? What if you have kids? How are kids going to grow up with only one parent? Thereís literally a million issues with divorce.
    This is absolutely disgusting lol. I'm moving out of this discussion.
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    Lift the veil bruh
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    Divorce is immoral? Are you sure about that? According to the institute you are speaking for divorce is neither moral or immoral, it's the actions or landscape leading up to it that determine what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    its not a moral statement at all, itís not even much of a religious statement
    You are so close to breaking the veil of whatever dogma you hold onto.

    Also, "In God we trust" is a moral statement. The very core of religion is to indoctrinate followers with a specific moral compass. To endorse a blanket statement for all citizens about the TRUTH from a religious perspective is an affront to anyone not religious. It is another way of saying "our morality is the truth". It is propelling a class in front of another. Fuck the motto.
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    Ganelon don't @ me until you respond to my previous post, until you do I don't feel like I can in good faith continue this topic with you.

    I will say I think you need to become familiar with what to be secular really means.
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    Also to not believe in god doesn't defacto mean you are a Nihilist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    In a way they are kind of the same thing. Saying "In God we trust" in no way designates which God.. If anything loose the capital G on God and it makes room for polytheism then the only ones left out are of the atheist variety and why should they care? I never understood why a Nihilist feels the need to push that view against a Fatalist. If nothing matters to that person who gives a shit if someone else talks to an imaginary sky man?
    It is still denoting A God. Your choice of wording implies you are talking from some religious viewpoint (the only ones left out are of the atheist variety and why should they care?) and honestly this just confirms my view. Non-religious people are the minority in the world, and then in the USA it's drastically even more shifted in favor of theists. It makes sense to me that "In God we trust" has been codified in US law as NOT being a religious statement when the people that it is in reference to are overwhelmingly the majority of the populace. The religious population in the USA in 2016 was 79.1%, opposed to 20.9% non religion/no answers.

    If a vote was put to the public where religious beliefs or lack of were attached to an individuals vote about whether "In God we trust" is a religious statement or not, I have a feeling I already will know what the results would look like.
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    Thread:Extreme Racism reportable?

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    If spam is affecting your game feel free to report them for griefing, the topic of the spam is irrelevant. As for racism itself it's been our policy to leave that for Blizzard to take care of so I would recommend you use their report feature.

    I'll touch base with Arrow in regards to this however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I guess. Mississippi is also quite a religious state, I imagine so itís probably motivated by religion. I donít find the phrase particularly religious in and of itself, but I understand where youíre coming from.
    Care to explain... I don't want to pre-emptively say mental gymnastics but I honestly have no idea how you can come to this conclusion without it.
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    Anyway, whether if it's a Christian God or an everyman God is beside the point. Not very secular to reference it in the first place.
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    Majority of the founding fathers were not deists but okay, majority were Christian. The person who designed the coin was a Reverend. The person who authorized the design is arguably Christian. The president that expanded the motto was Christian.

    Are you sure you can confidently claim that they aren't referring to the Christian god?
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    And I would say the same to the coins as well, how very secular /s
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    Well I don't see how you can rationalize that propelling a position of ethical high ground based on religion on a state flag isn't infringing on the basis of what a secular state is.
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