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[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;855514]I think you're heavily distorting the original meaning of the word. Complimenting people on bad plays is does not infer that they are failing something to make them change their playstyle; it's the exact opposite.
Also, serious personal attacks "to vent" are just bad, really. If you need to vent, you should be doing it by going off for a little bit, not by hurling insults at others. It's bad both for the fun and for your own credibility in the game.



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There's a section with examples starting at "in personality disorders" and ending with "in popular culture", tho most of them being in "in romantic relationships" in the wikipedia article you linked in your opening post. What I described fits the wikipedia description.

Complimenting bad plays is done with the intent of manipulating victims to continue doing bad plays, and maybe start going for even worse plays. That is gaslighting, as it's manipulation that changes a victim's beliefs to obviously bad ones which they wouldn't be able to hold up without the gaslighter's help.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

I think you're heavily distorting the original meaning of the word. Complimenting people on bad plays is does not infer that they are failing something to make them change their playstyle; it's the exact opposite.
Also, serious personal attacks "to vent" are just bad, really. If you need to vent, you should be doing it by going off for a little bit, not by hurling insults at others. It's bad both for the fun and for your own credibility in the game.

There's a section with examples starting at "in personality disorders" and ending with "in popular culture", tho most of them being in "in romantic relationships" in the wikipedia article you linked in your opening post. What I described fits the wikipedia description.

Complimenting bad plays is done with the intent of manipulating victims to continue doing bad plays, and maybe start going for even worse plays. That is gaslighting, as it's manipulation that changes a victim's beliefs to obviously bad ones which they wouldn't be able to hold up without the gaslighter's help.

I think a common and obvious form of gaslighting is powerwolfing. As scum take on a role of a lecturer, maybe even have your teammate join you, and continuously compliment others whenever their decisions are bad for themselves. Encourage the town to play poorly, tell them to look at the scum's towny balls and have them interpret the differences to actual town in reverse. There are certain players who fall for that, and others who don't.

I think a common and obvious form of gaslighting is powerwolfing. As scum take on a role of a lecturer, maybe even have your teammate join you, and continuously compliment others whenever their decisions are bad for themselves. Encourage the town to play poorly, tell them to look at the scum's towny balls and have them interpret the differences to actual town in reverse. There are certain players who fall for that, and others who don't.

[QUOTE=Ganelon;855472]I myself am not completely sure where to draw the line between calling someone's logic bad and calling someone bad - when does criticising someone's logic become an ad hominem? I suspect its possible for seemingly 'valid' arguments to also be ad hominems.[/QUOTE]Gaslighting and whether someone is attacking a person instead of a play or not aren't directly related. I'd say most of the time attacks on players are unplanned or just there to vent even.

Gaslighting often comes with attacks on plays, or specific actions, and with a suggestion of the gaslighted player being capable of doing better, sometimes directly with meta arguments, or other times not as obviously. But even compliments can be gaslighting if the intent is to matipulate the victim's playstyle into something the gaslighter doesn't actually believe himself to be right.

Originally Posted by Ganelon

I myself am not completely sure where to draw the line between calling someone's logic bad and calling someone bad - when does criticising someone's logic become an ad hominem? I suspect its possible for seemingly 'valid' arguments to also be ad hominems.

Gaslighting and whether someone is attacking a person instead of a play or not aren't directly related. I'd say most of the time attacks on players are unplanned or just there to vent even.

Gaslighting often comes with attacks on plays, or specific actions, and with a suggestion of the gaslighted player being capable of doing better, sometimes directly with meta arguments, or other times not as obviously. But even compliments can be gaslighting if the intent is to matipulate the victim's playstyle into something the gaslighter doesn't actually believe himself to be right.

This could be a good thread to point fingers at everyone including the person above me, but I think gaslighting is a good tool that generally makes people look influential in games.

This could be a good thread to point fingers at everyone including the person above me, but I think gaslighting is a good tool that generally makes people look influential in games.