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[QUOTE=Magoroth;841954]I don’t fully agree with your third paragraph; if you become confirmed town, unless the game is such that you will be outed mechanically at some point, then you’ve essentially achieved your win on already, so long as you manage to convince everyone else of your towniness, or if you manage to blend in really well. Now, whether that is an unsportsmanlike play or not is an entirely different question.[/QUOTE]Sure ofc that can work out, but the thing about this kinda situation is that ultimately from the passive player's pov the game becomes a coinflip. The players deciding who is going to win there are the ones who actively influence the votes. It's then up to them to let one survive for this passive "towniness" (which btw influencial players can redefine) or to decide to drop that read.

Letting someone else decide on the outcome of one's game, in my opinion, just isn't skill. Even if they do fail the coinflip and you do end up winning, imo the ones who decided that are definitely the better players than the one who let himself get into that dependent position. It's also just cowardly. If you're sure of your standing ingame, you can use it, actively.

And to drop my 2 cents on the postcount discussion: I've read your post around 3 hours ago. I generally try to make some time pass before responding in-game, too. I don't actually sit there and think all that time, but immediately responding while not being convinced about one answer, and then maybe posting 5 different things as a result of that, would just result in me discrediting myself. Often posting my immediate thought would also just be counter-productive for what I'm trying to achieve, as any alignment.

By that I do not mean there is no value in mindstream posts, I do see how an open thought-process helps for some things. But nearly noone does think in exactly the same way as another, and frankly I don't believe people actually want to put themselves through all that. It's better to just give it some time and then post once the mind is settled, if necessary with a shortened summary of the thoughts behind the result.

Originally Posted by Magoroth

I don’t fully agree with your third paragraph; if you become confirmed town, unless the game is such that you will be outed mechanically at some point, then you’ve essentially achieved your win on already, so long as you manage to convince everyone else of your towniness, or if you manage to blend in really well. Now, whether that is an unsportsmanlike play or not is an entirely different question.

Sure ofc that can work out, but the thing about this kinda situation is that ultimately from the passive player's pov the game becomes a coinflip. The players deciding who is going to win there are the ones who actively influence the votes. It's then up to them to let one survive for this passive "towniness" (which btw influencial players can redefine) or to decide to drop that read.

Letting someone else decide on the outcome of one's game, in my opinion, just isn't skill. Even if they do fail the coinflip and you do end up winning, imo the ones who decided that are definitely the better players than the one who let himself get into that dependent position. It's also just cowardly. If you're sure of your standing ingame, you can use it, actively.

And to drop my 2 cents on the postcount discussion: I've read your post around 3 hours ago. I generally try to make some time pass before responding in-game, too. I don't actually sit there and think all that time, but immediately responding while not being convinced about one answer, and then maybe posting 5 different things as a result of that, would just result in me discrediting myself. Often posting my immediate thought would also just be counter-productive for what I'm trying to achieve, as any alignment.

By that I do not mean there is no value in mindstream posts, I do see how an open thought-process helps for some things. But nearly noone does think in exactly the same way as another, and frankly I don't believe people actually want to put themselves through all that. It's better to just give it some time and then post once the mind is settled, if necessary with a shortened summary of the thoughts behind the result.

Another thought in that direction is that a player with a high presence and influence can use that to convince others of scumtells being towntells, or vice versa.
Gambits, WIFOM, meta for example are words that can be used for such arguments.

Another thought in that direction is that a player with a high presence and influence can use that to convince others of scumtells being towntells, or vice versa.
Gambits, WIFOM, meta for example are words that can be used for such arguments.

[QUOTE=yzb25;841912]To what extent do you agree with the following POV?:
[I]
"The more a scum talks and the more stances a scum takes, the more likely they are to give away scumtells. The only reason scums do not constantly lurk is for the following reasons:

-They sometimes need to sway the game to prevent their teammates deaths.
-They sometimes need to contribute and/or behave aggressively to earn the town's approval.

Hence, the goal of a scum is to essentially minimize how much they talk and play it safe, with respect to these two caveats and a few other complications. Rocking the boat may make the best scumgames, but it does not make the best scum."[/I]

[B][10 marks][/B][/QUOTE]IMO that's a terrible POV. The goal of every player in every game should always be to control the lynches and the general course of actions others take. To do that you need to be active and manipulative.

When a player gives away a million scumtells, but still survives, gets others lynched and makes the town dance to his fingertips, that is amazing play.

A player who's giving away no scumtells, maybe even becomes confirmed town, but still holds 0 influence and just gets ignored on the other hand is playing terribly.

The towny player is also always gonna lose against the scummy player with the votes in his control.

Originally Posted by yzb25

To what extent do you agree with the following POV?:

"The more a scum talks and the more stances a scum takes, the more likely they are to give away scumtells. The only reason scums do not constantly lurk is for the following reasons:

-They sometimes need to sway the game to prevent their teammates deaths.
-They sometimes need to contribute and/or behave aggressively to earn the town's approval.

Hence, the goal of a scum is to essentially minimize how much they talk and play it safe, with respect to these two caveats and a few other complications. Rocking the boat may make the best scumgames, but it does not make the best scum."

[10 marks]

IMO that's a terrible POV. The goal of every player in every game should always be to control the lynches and the general course of actions others take. To do that you need to be active and manipulative.

When a player gives away a million scumtells, but still survives, gets others lynched and makes the town dance to his fingertips, that is amazing play.

A player who's giving away no scumtells, maybe even becomes confirmed town, but still holds 0 influence and just gets ignored on the other hand is playing terribly.

The towny player is also always gonna lose against the scummy player with the votes in his control.

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[QUOTE=OzyWho;841056]I don't believe it even exists tbh.[/QUOTE]Helz is scammer?

Originally Posted by OzyWho

I don't believe it even exists tbh.

Helz is scammer?