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[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;975463]It would be a good idea to specify that the Jester's way of killing is by forcing suicide at night[/QUOTE]

why don't we just say its like

the dark chaos gods or something that dunnit

that's a more fun description


[SIZE=1]edit: merely casual commentary as an individual, not related to my recent becoming of a FM mod[/SIZE]

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

It would be a good idea to specify that the Jester's way of killing is by forcing suicide at night

why don't we just say its like

the dark chaos gods or something that dunnit

that's a more fun description


edit: merely casual commentary as an individual, not related to my recent becoming of a FM mod

[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION]

Are you aware that, if willing, you currently are the backup to represent Sc2Mafia at MU champs this year? Read 1st/2nd post of this thread. Typically the backup representative is only expected to replace the main representative for the first round of champ games (which is very unlikely to happen), but organizers may reach out to you if some horrible crisis happens and they're unable to find backups/replacements for other players/representatives in champs (again, first round of champ games only). Though I don't think I've ever seen a case where MU had a bunch of trouble finding a replacement.

@ikarusdk

Are you aware that, if willing, you currently are the backup to represent Sc2Mafia at MU champs this year? Read 1st/2nd post of this thread. Typically the backup representative is only expected to replace the main representative for the first round of champ games (which is very unlikely to happen), but organizers may reach out to you if some horrible crisis happens and they're unable to find backups/replacements for other players/representatives in champs (again, first round of champ games only). Though I don't think I've ever seen a case where MU had a bunch of trouble finding a replacement.

We still need a back-up though.

We still need a back-up though.

I think I would be willing to go this year if you all are looking for a rep or backup rep. In the past I had issues with champs but I think I've resolved them now. Only possible issue I could have really is that champs in its later stages tends to drag into september/october ect and if I make it that far I may not be able to put my full effort in if I wanted to. Worst-case scenario, if I'm much more busy than expected, I would have to sub-out and the champs organizers will find a backup/replacement. Fairly unlikely, but possible.

As for voting for a rep, I think I'm gonna sheep someone else's vote. Or maybe I'll just vote myself, assuming self-votes are okay.

I think I would be willing to go this year if you all are looking for a rep or backup rep. In the past I had issues with champs but I think I've resolved them now. Only possible issue I could have really is that champs in its later stages tends to drag into september/october ect and if I make it that far I may not be able to put my full effort in if I wanted to. Worst-case scenario, if I'm much more busy than expected, I would have to sub-out and the champs organizers will find a backup/replacement. Fairly unlikely, but possible.

As for voting for a rep, I think I'm gonna sheep someone else's vote. Or maybe I'll just vote myself, assuming self-votes are okay.

Considering the positive reception of the game setup and balance, I decided to add my setup notes to the first/End-game posts so that future potential hosts may look back on this game and potentially learn something from it if they so wish. These notes were already in the discord's spoiled chat, but discord servers don't last forever.

Considering the positive reception of the game setup and balance, I decided to add my setup notes to the first/End-game posts so that future potential hosts may look back on this game and potentially learn something from it if they so wish. These notes were already in the discord's spoiled chat, but discord servers don't last forever.

Oh and, deadchat/mafia-chat link

[url]https://discord.gg/SD43QNDwGR[/url]

Oh and, deadchat/mafia-chat link

https://discord.gg/SD43QNDwGR

[CENTER][SIZE=5][COLOR="#FFFF00"]END OF GAME[/COLOR][/SIZE]

The Loyalists have jointly conceded upon the death of Deathworlds, whom was a [COLOR="#FF0000"]Loyalist Investigator[/COLOR].

The other Loyalist was Marshmallow Marshall, who was a [COLOR="#FF0000"]Loyalist Coward[/COLOR].

Good game everyone!
[/CENTER]


[spoiler=Deathworlds Last Will]
[url]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1084595193564627015/1084718611324743780/VID-20230303-WA0000.mp4[/url]
[/spoiler]


[spoiler=SETUP NOTES]
Patriot Snitch
Patriot Chemist
Patriot Bartender
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Loyalist Coward
Loyalist Investigator


Reasons as to why its balanced:

1. Snitch cant confirm themselves without dying. Effectively a low-power role, to help give some power to town.

2. Coward can counter Chemist and to some extent Snitch, but not really bartender. Reason being Bartender's town play, if they are going to make use of their role, is to create fake-claimed situations in order to gauge reads. This happens regardless of whether Coward works and doesn't necessarily hurt town.

3. Chemist can still target/kill the investigator. Also helps to prevent the game from just being over after two mis-eliminations, which I feel is a tad too easy for the loyalists to pull off. Especially on a site that doesn't always do productive d1's. If I made chemist to be doctor, armor smith, or gun smith, or even stagecoach driver instead, that could potentially confirm two people when tipping the game back towards town's favor and can be really damning if played right. With chemist, its a minimum of one patriot confirmed and one loyalist dead and isn't as likely to "confirm" two or more people. Granted, with chemist, it can back-fire. But so long as Chemist lives, the game can't quite end in Loyalist's favor.

4. Loyalist Investigator can help loyalists discern fake-claims and what-not, which could improve their overall strategy and play. To some extent this alone could help them mitigate bartender / snitch 's impacts. Otherwise its low-impact-ish, which is what I think this setup needs to be roughly balanced in light of the town's options.
[2:07 PM]
======================
Setup could be a fair bit swingy though if Chemist dies in some circumstances (edited)
[2:08 PM]
But, I felt like we needed something to prevent or cause a kill in town's favor, and the alternatives could be worse I think for the game's balance.

Edit: I think Coward having 1 less hide may make this more balanced, as Chemist in its current state may have an only one in seventh chance of RNG hitting a loyalist with the Coward hiding, but I can't make such a change without announcing it and, without thinking up other changes, it may risk spewing Coward as Loyalist and/or existing.
[/spoiler]

END OF GAME

The Loyalists have jointly conceded upon the death of Deathworlds, whom was a Loyalist Investigator.

The other Loyalist was Marshmallow Marshall, who was a Loyalist Coward.

Good game everyone!

Spoiler : Deathworlds Last Will :

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...303-WA0000.mp4

Spoiler : SETUP NOTES :

Patriot Snitch
Patriot Chemist
Patriot Bartender
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Loyalist Coward
Loyalist Investigator


Reasons as to why its balanced:

1. Snitch cant confirm themselves without dying. Effectively a low-power role, to help give some power to town.

2. Coward can counter Chemist and to some extent Snitch, but not really bartender. Reason being Bartender's town play, if they are going to make use of their role, is to create fake-claimed situations in order to gauge reads. This happens regardless of whether Coward works and doesn't necessarily hurt town.

3. Chemist can still target/kill the investigator. Also helps to prevent the game from just being over after two mis-eliminations, which I feel is a tad too easy for the loyalists to pull off. Especially on a site that doesn't always do productive d1's. If I made chemist to be doctor, armor smith, or gun smith, or even stagecoach driver instead, that could potentially confirm two people when tipping the game back towards town's favor and can be really damning if played right. With chemist, its a minimum of one patriot confirmed and one loyalist dead and isn't as likely to "confirm" two or more people. Granted, with chemist, it can back-fire. But so long as Chemist lives, the game can't quite end in Loyalist's favor.

4. Loyalist Investigator can help loyalists discern fake-claims and what-not, which could improve their overall strategy and play. To some extent this alone could help them mitigate bartender / snitch 's impacts. Otherwise its low-impact-ish, which is what I think this setup needs to be roughly balanced in light of the town's options.
[2:07 PM]
======================
Setup could be a fair bit swingy though if Chemist dies in some circumstances (edited)
[2:08 PM]
But, I felt like we needed something to prevent or cause a kill in town's favor, and the alternatives could be worse I think for the game's balance.

Edit: I think Coward having 1 less hide may make this more balanced, as Chemist in its current state may have an only one in seventh chance of RNG hitting a loyalist with the Coward hiding, but I can't make such a change without announcing it and, without thinking up other changes, it may risk spewing Coward as Loyalist and/or existing.

[CENTER]
[SIZE=6][COLOR="#FFFF00"]SoD3
[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[/CENTER]


[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] had died! They were:

[spoiler=flip]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Patriot Bartender[/COLOR]
[/spoiler]

Their last will was:

[spoiler=will]
1. I am a town bartender (my role in case of tailor)

2. Gave MM a fake feedback, You used your bulletproof vest, and you were attacked last night!

3. No matter who dies in night 2 between Vittae and i, the wolf pairing would be in an order of likelyhood IMO, (1)deathworlds/Mizery (2)dealthworlds/MM (3)loldebite/MM (4)loldebite/Mizery

I am heavily leaning towards the first option at this point in time, given the effort loldebite and MM each have put in to answer Vittae's questions and I felt they were geunine. Between MM and Mizery, MM feels very town. Lack of deathworlds presence near EoD2 was a bit disappointing. Can't ignore the fact deathworlds have been townreading me all game, could potentially be trying to pocket me. Also Mizery's lack of contribution towards later day doesn't feel good.

All I can say is that I feel those who don't seem to wanna solve this game are more scummy than those who do.

5. Again, there is no pairing between MM/Mizery as w/w
[/spoiler]

Day 3 ends in roughly 48 hours!

[l]3[/l]

[MENTION=9527]deathworlds[/MENTION]
[MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION]
[MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46435]Vittae[/MENTION]

SoD3

@ikarusdk had died! They were:

Spoiler : flip :

Patriot Bartender

Their last will was:

Spoiler : will :

1. I am a town bartender (my role in case of tailor)

2. Gave MM a fake feedback, You used your bulletproof vest, and you were attacked last night!

3. No matter who dies in night 2 between Vittae and i, the wolf pairing would be in an order of likelyhood IMO, (1)deathworlds/Mizery (2)dealthworlds/MM (3)loldebite/MM (4)loldebite/Mizery

I am heavily leaning towards the first option at this point in time, given the effort loldebite and MM each have put in to answer Vittae's questions and I felt they were geunine. Between MM and Mizery, MM feels very town. Lack of deathworlds presence near EoD2 was a bit disappointing. Can't ignore the fact deathworlds have been townreading me all game, could potentially be trying to pocket me. Also Mizery's lack of contribution towards later day doesn't feel good.

All I can say is that I feel those who don't seem to wanna solve this game are more scummy than those who do.

5. Again, there is no pairing between MM/Mizery as w/w

Day 3 ends in roughly 48 hours!

3 votes to hammer.

@deathworlds
@Loldebite
@Marshmallow Marshall
@Mizery
@Vittae

[CENTER][COLOR="#FFFF00"]

[SIZE=6]EoD2[/SIZE][/COLOR][/CENTER]

Day was skipped.

Night 2 ends in about 24 hours. Make sure to submit your action(s) at least an hour before that, or I may not accept the action submission depending on how far I am through the preparation process for day 3. Last wills will be accepted up until the moment I notify you of your death.

EoD2

Day was skipped.

Night 2 ends in about 24 hours. Make sure to submit your action(s) at least an hour before that, or I may not accept the action submission depending on how far I am through the preparation process for day 3. Last wills will be accepted up until the moment I notify you of your death.

[CENTER]
[SIZE=6][COLOR="#FFFF00"]SoD2
[/COLOR][/SIZE]
Since I have something to get to, this day will begin 10 minutes earlier and last 10 minutes longer.
[/CENTER]


[MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION] has died! They were:

[spoiler=flip]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Patriot Chemist[/COLOR]
[/spoiler]

They left no last will. Day 2 ends in 48 hours + 10 minutes!

[l]4[/l]

[MENTION=9527]deathworlds[/MENTION]
[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION]
[MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION]
[MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46435]Vittae[/MENTION]

SoD2

Since I have something to get to, this day will begin 10 minutes earlier and last 10 minutes longer.

@Varcron has died! They were:

Spoiler : flip :

Patriot Chemist

They left no last will. Day 2 ends in 48 hours + 10 minutes!

4 votes to hammer.

@deathworlds
@ikarusdk
@Loldebite
@Marshmallow Marshall
@Mizery
@Vittae

[resetcount][/resetcount]

Posting a vote-count reset before I forget to do so when setting up the new vote-count later.

Posting a vote-count reset before I forget to do so when setting up the new vote-count later.

[CENTER][COLOR="#FFFF00"]

[SIZE=6]EoD1[/SIZE][/COLOR][/CENTER]

powerofdeath (3 [L-2]):
Marshmallow Marshall, deathworlds, ikarusdk
Mizery (1 [L-4]):
Varcron
deathworlds (3 [L-2]):
Vittae, powerofdeath, Loldebite
Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-4]):
Mizery

[MENTION=3897]powerofdeath[/MENTION] dies in the tie!


There were:
[spoiler=filp]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Patriot Citizen[/COLOR]
[/spoiler]

Their last will was:
[spoiler=will]
I townread Mizery
Please vote MM tomorrow.

If any towns voted me, sorry for being rusty.
I am assuming 2 mafia voted me this round.
[/spoiler]


Night 1 ends in about 24 hours. Make sure to submit your action(s) at least an hour before that, or I may not accept the action submission depending on how far I am through the preparation process for day 2.

The first post will be updated soon.

EoD1

powerofdeath (3 [L-2]):
Marshmallow Marshall, deathworlds, ikarusdk
Mizery (1 [L-4]):
Varcron
deathworlds (3 [L-2]):
Vittae, powerofdeath, Loldebite
Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-4]):
Mizery

@powerofdeath dies in the tie!


There were:

Spoiler : filp :

Patriot Citizen

Their last will was:

Spoiler : will :

I townread Mizery
Please vote MM tomorrow.

If any towns voted me, sorry for being rusty.
I am assuming 2 mafia voted me this round.

Night 1 ends in about 24 hours. Make sure to submit your action(s) at least an hour before that, or I may not accept the action submission depending on how far I am through the preparation process for day 2.

The first post will be updated soon.

annnnd times up

processing EoD within next 10 mins

annnnd times up

processing EoD within next 10 mins

ISO links have been added to the first post.

The difference between them and the "ISO Links" button you can find towards the top of the page is that the ones on the first post sort via most recent post while the ones in the button sort by oldest post.

ISO links have been added to the first post.

The difference between them and the "ISO Links" button you can find towards the top of the page is that the ones on the first post sort via most recent post while the ones in the button sort by oldest post.

I can see what edits occur in this thread and whether or not any malicious editing has occurred. Ikar's edit is perfectly fine.

That said, I'd rather not have to provide a police statement every time someone edits, so please avoid editing if you can.

I can see what edits occur in this thread and whether or not any malicious editing has occurred. Ikar's edit is perfectly fine.

That said, I'd rather not have to provide a police statement every time someone edits, so please avoid editing if you can.

[MENTION=9527]deathworlds[/MENTION]
[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION]
[MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION]
[MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION]
[MENTION=3897]powerofdeath[/MENTION]
[MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46435]Vittae[/MENTION]

Day 1 has begun! It ends in 48 hours. A countdown link will be added to the 1st post soon.

[l]5[/l]

As a friendly reminder of the FM rules, five posts are required per day phase. I don't care what's in those posts, just only that you've made at least five. If you can't do that, I may replace you or warn you depending on my judgement.

If there are any questions about anything, it is best to PM me either on-site or through discord. Public questions to me will not be answered unless I am suffering from a sudden and inexplicable need to be stupid.

There may be more rules than what I've mentioned here, but if you're inexperienced, haven't played in past games in mine, or simply because of the fact I haven't clarified or mentioned it, you'll probably be given some level of leniency.

@deathworlds
@ikarusdk
@Loldebite
@Marshmallow Marshall
@Mizery
@powerofdeath
@Varcron
@Vittae

Day 1 has begun! It ends in 48 hours. A countdown link will be added to the 1st post soon.

5 votes to hammer.

As a friendly reminder of the FM rules, five posts are required per day phase. I don't care what's in those posts, just only that you've made at least five. If you can't do that, I may replace you or warn you depending on my judgement.

If there are any questions about anything, it is best to PM me either on-site or through discord. Public questions to me will not be answered unless I am suffering from a sudden and inexplicable need to be stupid.

There may be more rules than what I've mentioned here, but if you're inexperienced, haven't played in past games in mine, or simply because of the fact I haven't clarified or mentioned it, you'll probably be given some level of leniency.

closing thread as I will be sending out role-pm's within the hour

closing thread as I will be sending out role-pm's within the hour

[CENTER][SIZE=5][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/44383-S-FM-Standoff-(8P)"]Setup Link[/URL][/SIZE][/CENTER]

[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=21928&searchthreadid=50820&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1"]Host ISO[/URL][/td]
[td]Player[/td]
[td]Role (time of death)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=9527&searchthreadid=50820&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1"]ISO[/URL][/td]
[td]Deathworlds[/td]
[td][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=36817&searchthreadid=50820&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1"]ISO[/URL][/td]
[td]ikarusdk[/td]
[td][COLOR="#00FF00"]Bartender[/COLOR] (SoD3)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=27307&searchthreadid=50820&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1"]ISO[/URL][/td]
[td]Loldebite[/td]
[td][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=29377&searchthreadid=50820&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1"]ISO[/URL][/td]
[td]Marshmallow Marshall[/td]
[td][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=45970&searchthreadid=50820&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1"]ISO[/URL][/td]
[td]Mizery[/td]
[td][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=3897&searchthreadid=50820&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1"]ISO[/URL][/td]
[td]powerofdeath[/td]
[td][COLOR="#00FF00"]Citizen[/COLOR] (EoD1)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=43484&searchthreadid=50820&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1"]ISO[/URL][/td]
[td]Varcron[/td]
[td][COLOR="#00FF00"]Chemist[/COLOR] (SoD2)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=46435&searchthreadid=50820&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1"]ISO[/URL][/td]
[td]Vittae[/td]
[td][/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
[CENTER]
[B]SoD links / countdowns / important posts[/B]
[URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20230314T19&p0=419&msg=Standoff+EoD1+Countdown&font=serif&csz=1"]EoD1 Countdown[/URL]
[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/50820-S-FM-348-Standoff?p=974388&viewfull=1#post974388"]EoD1[/URL]
[URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20230315T19&p0=419&msg=Standoff+SoD2+Countdown&font=serif&csz=1"]SoD2 Countdown[/URL]
[URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20230317T19&p0=419&msg=Standoff+EoD2+Countdown&font=serif&csz=1"]EoD2 Countdown[/URL]
[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/50820-S-FM-348-Standoff?p=974932&viewfull=1#post974932"]EoD2[/URL]
[URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20230318T19&p0=419&msg=Standoff+SoD3+Countdown&font=serif&csz=1"]SoD3 Countdown[/URL]
[URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20230320T19&p0=419&msg=Standoff+EoD3+Countdown&font=serif&csz=1"]EoD3 Countdown[/URL]
[url=https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/50820-S-FM-348-Standoff?p=975384&viewfull=1#post975384]Game End / Loyalist Concession[/url][/CENTER]

[B][U]Additional notes[/U][/B]:
Majority is enabled per request. 51% of the votes will mean a wagon is hammered and the vote bot will come in and lock the thread. I will likely process the hammer the next time it is 7pm EST, unless I am busy.

Ties are decided by the loyalist/mafia's vote if and only if they did not split their own votes AND the resulting elimination would end the game in their favor. Otherwise RNG.

Votes to skip/sleep work like any other vote. I normally process them in a special way, but because I forgot to clarify that in signups, they will instead be treated as if it was a regular wagon. If there are more votes to skip than any specific wagon, a skip will happen. If there is a tie involving a skip wagon, the tie will be treated as such, so there could be a skip if it is RNG'ed.

Loyalist's chat runs 24/7, this was not specified in the setup nor in its replies so I am assuming this.

[spoiler=role PM format]
you are a ([COLOR="#00FF00"]Patriot[/COLOR]/[COLOR="#FF0000"]Loyalist[/COLOR]) role

eliminate the opposing faction or have nothing preventing that from occurring

game thread: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/50820-S-FM-348-Standoff?p=973771[/url]

(insert loyalist chat link)
[/spoiler]

[spoiler=POST-GAME REVEAL OF SETUP NOTES]
Patriot Snitch
Patriot Chemist
Patriot Bartender
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Loyalist Coward
Loyalist Investigator


Reasons as to why its balanced:

1. Snitch cant confirm themselves without dying. Effectively a low-power role, to help give some power to town.

2. Coward can counter Chemist and to some extent Snitch, but not really bartender. Reason being Bartender's town play, if they are going to make use of their role, is to create fake-claimed situations in order to gauge reads. This happens regardless of whether Coward works and doesn't necessarily hurt town.

3. Chemist can still target/kill the investigator. Also helps to prevent the game from just being over after two mis-eliminations, which I feel is a tad too easy for the loyalists to pull off. Especially on a site that doesn't always do productive d1's. If I made chemist to be doctor, armor smith, or gun smith, or even stagecoach driver instead, that could potentially confirm two people when tipping the game back towards town's favor and can be really damning if played right. With chemist, its a minimum of one patriot confirmed and one loyalist dead and isn't as likely to "confirm" two or more people. Granted, with chemist, it can back-fire. But so long as Chemist lives, the game can't quite end in Loyalist's favor.

4. Loyalist Investigator can help loyalists discern fake-claims and what-not, which could improve their overall strategy and play. To some extent this alone could help them mitigate bartender / snitch 's impacts. Otherwise its low-impact-ish, which is what I think this setup needs to be roughly balanced in light of the town's options.
[2:07 PM]
======================
Setup could be a fair bit swingy though if Chemist dies in some circumstances (edited)
[2:08 PM]
But, I felt like we needed something to prevent or cause a kill in town's favor, and the alternatives could be worse I think for the game's balance.

Edit: I think Coward having 1 less hide may make this more balanced, as Chemist in its current state may have an only one in seventh chance of RNG hitting a loyalist with the Coward hiding, but I can't make such a change without announcing it and, without thinking up other changes, it may risk spewing Coward as Loyalist and/or existing.
[/spoiler]

Setup Link

Host ISO	Player	Role (time of death)
ISO	Deathworlds
ISO	ikarusdk	Bartender (SoD3)
ISO	Loldebite
ISO	Marshmallow Marshall
ISO	Mizery
ISO	powerofdeath	Citizen (EoD1)
ISO	Varcron	Chemist (SoD2)
ISO	Vittae

SoD links / countdowns / important posts
EoD1 Countdown
EoD1
SoD2 Countdown
EoD2 Countdown
EoD2
SoD3 Countdown
EoD3 Countdown
Game End / Loyalist Concession

Additional notes:
Majority is enabled per request. 51% of the votes will mean a wagon is hammered and the vote bot will come in and lock the thread. I will likely process the hammer the next time it is 7pm EST, unless I am busy.

Ties are decided by the loyalist/mafia's vote if and only if they did not split their own votes AND the resulting elimination would end the game in their favor. Otherwise RNG.

Votes to skip/sleep work like any other vote. I normally process them in a special way, but because I forgot to clarify that in signups, they will instead be treated as if it was a regular wagon. If there are more votes to skip than any specific wagon, a skip will happen. If there is a tie involving a skip wagon, the tie will be treated as such, so there could be a skip if it is RNG'ed.

Loyalist's chat runs 24/7, this was not specified in the setup nor in its replies so I am assuming this.

Spoiler : role PM format :

you are a (Patriot/Loyalist) role

eliminate the opposing faction or have nothing preventing that from occurring

game thread: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...ndoff?p=973771

(insert loyalist chat link)

Spoiler : POST-GAME REVEAL OF SETUP NOTES :

Patriot Snitch
Patriot Chemist
Patriot Bartender
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Loyalist Coward
Loyalist Investigator


Reasons as to why its balanced:

1. Snitch cant confirm themselves without dying. Effectively a low-power role, to help give some power to town.

2. Coward can counter Chemist and to some extent Snitch, but not really bartender. Reason being Bartender's town play, if they are going to make use of their role, is to create fake-claimed situations in order to gauge reads. This happens regardless of whether Coward works and doesn't necessarily hurt town.

3. Chemist can still target/kill the investigator. Also helps to prevent the game from just being over after two mis-eliminations, which I feel is a tad too easy for the loyalists to pull off. Especially on a site that doesn't always do productive d1's. If I made chemist to be doctor, armor smith, or gun smith, or even stagecoach driver instead, that could potentially confirm two people when tipping the game back towards town's favor and can be really damning if played right. With chemist, its a minimum of one patriot confirmed and one loyalist dead and isn't as likely to "confirm" two or more people. Granted, with chemist, it can back-fire. But so long as Chemist lives, the game can't quite end in Loyalist's favor.

4. Loyalist Investigator can help loyalists discern fake-claims and what-not, which could improve their overall strategy and play. To some extent this alone could help them mitigate bartender / snitch 's impacts. Otherwise its low-impact-ish, which is what I think this setup needs to be roughly balanced in light of the town's options.
[2:07 PM]
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Setup could be a fair bit swingy though if Chemist dies in some circumstances (edited)
[2:08 PM]
But, I felt like we needed something to prevent or cause a kill in town's favor, and the alternatives could be worse I think for the game's balance.

Edit: I think Coward having 1 less hide may make this more balanced, as Chemist in its current state may have an only one in seventh chance of RNG hitting a loyalist with the Coward hiding, but I can't make such a change without announcing it and, without thinking up other changes, it may risk spewing Coward as Loyalist and/or existing.

Players: [MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION] [MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION] [MENTION=46435]Vittae[/MENTION] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION] [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] [MENTION=3897]powerofdeath[/MENTION] [MENTION=9527]deathworlds[/MENTION] [MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION]

Game has filled! It'll begin on March 12th, Sunday, at 7 PM EST (or, coincidentally, almost exactly 48 hours from the time of this post). Roughly before or at the same time role-cards will be sent out via site PM, along with a link to the game thread.

If for some reason someone opts out of the /sign list before the game-start, we will resume waiting here until the game is filled again. Which, if the game fills for a second attempt at starting, anyone jumping out of the /sign list will automatically be replaced by someone in the backup list.

(mentioning reserves given the above statement) [MENTION=30852]Renegade[/MENTION] [MENTION=45931]Gikkle[/MENTION] [MENTION=46366]Trout[/MENTION]

Players: @Loldebite @Marshmallow Marshall @Vittae @Mizery @ikarusdk @powerofdeath @deathworlds @Varcron

Game has filled! It'll begin on March 12th, Sunday, at 7 PM EST (or, coincidentally, almost exactly 48 hours from the time of this post). Roughly before or at the same time role-cards will be sent out via site PM, along with a link to the game thread.

If for some reason someone opts out of the /sign list before the game-start, we will resume waiting here until the game is filled again. Which, if the game fills for a second attempt at starting, anyone jumping out of the /sign list will automatically be replaced by someone in the backup list.

(mentioning reserves given the above statement) @Renegade @Gikkle @Trout

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;973760]I think I figured out what happened, you probably sent a friend request, I noticed you were from Smant’s server, I go over there and messaged the wrong martin by accident.

Or this is way too much of a coincidence :P[/QUOTE]

That makes a lot more sense. I was like, wait, the person you mistook for me is *also* from the same server?

I just couldn't realize an explanation connecting all the "also in X server" coincidences.

Tbf, I should've realize I could've messaged you once Discord told me we were in the same server assuming you had settings allowing it.

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

I think I figured out what happened, you probably sent a friend request, I noticed you were from Smant’s server, I go over there and messaged the wrong martin by accident.

Or this is way too much of a coincidence :P

That makes a lot more sense. I was like, wait, the person you mistook for me is *also* from the same server?

I just couldn't realize an explanation connecting all the "also in X server" coincidences.

Tbf, I should've realize I could've messaged you once Discord told me we were in the same server assuming you had settings allowing it.

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;973756]BRUH THAT WAS YOU???

I asked why you sent me a friend request and you were like "No I didnt" and i shrugged it off

[url]https://gyazo.com/a5c4a22f172e9688d67a1ac5feafe1ee[/url][/QUOTE]

No, that definitely wasn't me lol. I tend to keep my avatar from a specific picture at all times unless a website doesn't allow me to pick one out of a particular selection.

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

BRUH THAT WAS YOU???

I asked why you sent me a friend request and you were like "No I didnt" and i shrugged it off

https://gyazo.com/a5c4a22f172e9688d67a1ac5feafe1ee

No, that definitely wasn't me lol. I tend to keep my avatar from a specific picture at all times unless a website doesn't allow me to pick one out of a particular selection.

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;973752]are you ika?

also /sign[/QUOTE]

Welcome back!

Friendly note here that if its been too long since you last played, private/factional chats these days often involve discord. I've sent you a friend request based on a discord tag you posted earlier on this site, so that you may reach me more easily if desired. Regardless though, you can always contact me through site PM or through the general FM discord I linked to in the signups post. Discord generally has a quicker response time-frame.

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

are you ika?

also /sign

Welcome back!

Friendly note here that if its been too long since you last played, private/factional chats these days often involve discord. I've sent you a friend request based on a discord tag you posted earlier on this site, so that you may reach me more easily if desired. Regardless though, you can always contact me through site PM or through the general FM discord I linked to in the signups post. Discord generally has a quicker response time-frame.

I'm also allowing for majority (i.e. 51%+ of votes on a wagon means death) upon request. If there ever is one, I'll likely process it the next time it is either the 24 hour or 48 hour mark of the day phase unless I'm busy.

If there's a dispute between people as to whether majority should be in the game, I may just default to what the setup originally says.

I'm also allowing for majority (i.e. 51%+ of votes on a wagon means death) upon request. If there ever is one, I'll likely process it the next time it is either the 24 hour or 48 hour mark of the day phase unless I'm busy.

If there's a dispute between people as to whether majority should be in the game, I may just default to what the setup originally says.

[B][I][COLOR="#FFFF00"]Where the heck did the FM go???[/COLOR][/I][/B]

Well, there were plans for a game (?Krc) back in January and it was figured best to wait for it...except it didn't happen at that time and has been pushed back to a seemingly unknown date at the time of writing this.

After a few people offered to host something, we decided in the [URL="https://discord.gg/8vz6YccZAw"]FM discord[/URL] that if anyone wanted to host instead of me they should create a signups by today. A signups was not created by today, and so I am assuming the hosting and setup selection of this game.

[SIZE=6][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/44383-S-FM-Standoff-(8P)"]S-FM Standoff (8P)[/URL][/SIZE]

Signs:
1. loldebite
2. Marshmallow Marshall
3. Vittae
4. Mizery
5. ikarusdk
6. powerofdeath
7. deathworlds
8. Varcron

Reserves:
1. Renegade
2. Gikkle
3. *poof*
4. Trout
...


48/24 hour phases. SoD/EoD times are at 7 PM, EST. There may be a single-24-hour pause if an SoD or EoD happens at a bad time for me.

Notes:

1. I reserve the right to refuse someone from joining the list if I suspect they're potentially a ban-evader or otherwise being very shady. If you're signing up with no prior history on this site, please give some context as to who you are and/or where you came from.

2. In the event of a tie, mafia's (Loyalist's) vote decide the tie if and only if the resulting elimination would end the game in mafia's favor. If the mafia split their own votes or otherwise, then ties are decided by RNG.

3. While I will be making somewhat of an effort at game balance, don't expect it to be the most balanced thing in the world. Or maybe it will be the most balanced thing in the world and I am making a fool of myself here.

4 (2/28/23): Majority was added to the elimination mechanic (i.e. 51%+ of votes is instant death) upon request. May be removed if there is a significant dispute as to whether this should be in the game.

Where the heck did the FM go???

Well, there were plans for a game (?Krc) back in January and it was figured best to wait for it...except it didn't happen at that time and has been pushed back to a seemingly unknown date at the time of writing this.

After a few people offered to host something, we decided in the FM discord that if anyone wanted to host instead of me they should create a signups by today. A signups was not created by today, and so I am assuming the hosting and setup selection of this game.

S-FM Standoff (8P)

Signs:
1. loldebite
2. Marshmallow Marshall
3. Vittae
4. Mizery
5. ikarusdk
6. powerofdeath
7. deathworlds
8. Varcron

Reserves:
1. Renegade
2. Gikkle
3. *poof*
4. Trout
...


48/24 hour phases. SoD/EoD times are at 7 PM, EST. There may be a single-24-hour pause if an SoD or EoD happens at a bad time for me.

Notes:

1. I reserve the right to refuse someone from joining the list if I suspect they're potentially a ban-evader or otherwise being very shady. If you're signing up with no prior history on this site, please give some context as to who you are and/or where you came from.

2. In the event of a tie, mafia's (Loyalist's) vote decide the tie if and only if the resulting elimination would end the game in mafia's favor. If the mafia split their own votes or otherwise, then ties are decided by RNG.

3. While I will be making somewhat of an effort at game balance, don't expect it to be the most balanced thing in the world. Or maybe it will be the most balanced thing in the world and I am making a fool of myself here.

4 (2/28/23): Majority was added to the elimination mechanic (i.e. 51%+ of votes is instant death) upon request. May be removed if there is a significant dispute as to whether this should be in the game.

[QUOTE=oliverz144;973329]Oh and [MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION] please unblock me on discord =D
Thanks![/QUOTE]

....oooooor you could PM me on-site

I haven't put you on the ignore list. I've put you on discord block so that I remind myself of what I've stated above about you.

Originally Posted by oliverz144

Oh and @MartinGG99 please unblock me on discord =D
Thanks!

....oooooor you could PM me on-site

I haven't put you on the ignore list. I've put you on discord block so that I remind myself of what I've stated above about you.

Tbh, my family doesn't really pay attention to new year except "oh". Back on the 31st we thought to get some fast food for dinner only to realize everything was closed early. At first I was personally confused because Christmas was just a short while ago and that was like the only thing fast food places around here close early for, and also I hadn't realized it was the last day of the year.

So....happy new year for those who celebrate it?

Tbh, my family doesn't really pay attention to new year except "oh". Back on the 31st we thought to get some fast food for dinner only to realize everything was closed early. At first I was personally confused because Christmas was just a short while ago and that was like the only thing fast food places around here close early for, and also I hadn't realized it was the last day of the year.

So....happy new year for those who celebrate it?

happy holidays to everyone

happy holidays to everyone

It's going to be a bit awkward till the next game

currently slated ?krc will be next month towards end of january

thing is even if we try to fill a game before then it may end up taking a month long or just as long to fill lol, suggesting we might not have a signups till like early January for ?krc or something (this is going based off what I've heard or read, I'm by no means an official about this)

It's going to be a bit awkward till the next game

currently slated ?krc will be next month towards end of january

thing is even if we try to fill a game before then it may end up taking a month long or just as long to fill lol, suggesting we might not have a signups till like early January for ?krc or something (this is going based off what I've heard or read, I'm by no means an official about this)

[MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION] is also basically banned from all of my future games that I host unless he can show a history of games AFTER THIS ONE where in he played in good faith

doing the bare minimum like this (especially with the lack of voting) for multiple games I was either the host of or a player is unacceptable, especially when compared with past games (most notable example being the last ?krc game) where Oliverz144 had provided much better involvement and activity

@oliverz144 is also basically banned from all of my future games that I host unless he can show a history of games AFTER THIS ONE where in he played in good faith

doing the bare minimum like this (especially with the lack of voting) for multiple games I was either the host of or a player is unacceptable, especially when compared with past games (most notable example being the last ?krc game) where Oliverz144 had provided much better involvement and activity

discord server link for the game (deadchat / mafia chat - in the spirit of laziness I skipped creating 2 separate servers)

[url]https://discord.gg/kYArBkRy[/url]

discord server link for the game (deadchat / mafia chat - in the spirit of laziness I skipped creating 2 separate servers)

https://discord.gg/kYArBkRy

I was asked to be here 8 minutes early and I was too lazy to refuse

town wins

I was asked to be here 8 minutes early and I was too lazy to refuse

town wins

[l]2[/l]

nearly forgot to set the bot again

smh me

2 votes to hammer.

nearly forgot to set the bot again

smh me

Stealthbomber16 was a moofia

Varcron has quit as they realized handling the finals and the office of Lazy Town Sheriff to catch one more mafia was too much.

Links/flips on 1st post will be added soon

Side note: Please don't mention the activity tracker (the "There are currently X users browsing this thread" thing) at the bottom of the page. Most sites (including my games) find that to be angle-shooting. Noting when someone reads the thread (or is simply online somewhere) is often thought as outside-of-game information and therefore should not be part of gameplay; obviously, however, you can note someone's activity or alleged activity through the timings of their posts or what they say they're doing. You may argue X or Y because of angle-shooting thing, but by no means should you be stating said angle-shooting in any reasoning you post.

I apologize, however, for not clarifying that earlier when I was emphasizing a few rules. It is an easy rule to break when you're a newer player.

Stealthbomber16 was a moofia

Varcron has quit as they realized handling the finals and the office of Lazy Town Sheriff to catch one more mafia was too much.

Links/flips on 1st post will be added soon

Side note: Please don't mention the activity tracker (the "There are currently X users browsing this thread" thing) at the bottom of the page. Most sites (including my games) find that to be angle-shooting. Noting when someone reads the thread (or is simply online somewhere) is often thought as outside-of-game information and therefore should not be part of gameplay; obviously, however, you can note someone's activity or alleged activity through the timings of their posts or what they say they're doing. You may argue X or Y because of angle-shooting thing, but by no means should you be stating said angle-shooting in any reasoning you post.

I apologize, however, for not clarifying that earlier when I was emphasizing a few rules. It is an easy rule to break when you're a newer player.

[QUOTE=Trout;973113]well, seems we're not getting anywhere, so might as well speed this up :> [vote]іkаrսsԁk[/vote][/QUOTE]

This is an invalid vote which appears as a real one, and I have edited the post to reflect that.

Do not discuss my post, other than the fact that the vote shown above is invalid. Any concerns regarding this from a rules standpoint should be directed to me privately, and NOT publicly.

Originally Posted by Trout

well, seems we're not getting anywhere, so might as well speed this up

-vote Ñ–kĞ°rÕ½sÔ�k

This is an invalid vote which appears as a real one, and I have edited the post to reflect that.

Do not discuss my post, other than the fact that the vote shown above is invalid. Any concerns regarding this from a rules standpoint should be directed to me privately, and NOT publicly.

Almost forgot:

Since there are no night phases, D2 has started as of like 30 minutes ago. First post has been updated with an EoD2 countdown and the flip.

THAT MEANS 5 MORE POSTS IN 48 HOURS YE COUCH POTATOES >:C

[SIZE=1]except, obviously, those who have already met this in-game daily requirement[/SIZE]

[MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46366]Trout[/MENTION]
[MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION]

Almost forgot:

Since there are no night phases, D2 has started as of like 30 minutes ago. First post has been updated with an EoD2 countdown and the flip.

THAT MEANS 5 MORE POSTS IN 48 HOURS YE COUCH POTATOES >:C

except, obviously, those who have already met this in-game daily requirement

@Stealthbomber16
@Trout
@Varcron

oh and got to reset the bot

[resetcount][/resetcount]

oh and got to reset the bot

[MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION] dies to tie RNG and flips town

creation of an EoD2 countdown will be put into 1st post soon

@oliverz144 dies to tie RNG and flips town

creation of an EoD2 countdown will be put into 1st post soon

oliverz144 (2 [L-1]):
Trout, Stealthbomber16
Trout (1 [L-2]):
oliverz144
Stealthbomber16 (2 [L-1]):
ikarusdk, FM-Mabel Pines


will be randing in a few moments

too lazy to close thread since I'll be re-opening it due to lack of night phase

oliverz144 (2 [L-1]):
Trout, Stealthbomber16
Trout (1 [L-2]):
oliverz144
Stealthbomber16 (2 [L-1]):
ikarusdk, FM-Mabel Pines


will be randing in a few moments

too lazy to close thread since I'll be re-opening it due to lack of night phase

[QUOTE=Trout;972994]no edit was made, i accidentally opened up the editing ui and pressed save to exit out of it. i didnt change anything yet it still showed up as an edit[/QUOTE]

It appears it recorded the temporary removal and re-adding of a line when you saved it. Which is just silly, because it shows (indeed) no actual change happened and yet still counted it as an edit.

But yeah, try to avoid doing that if you can.

Originally Posted by Trout

no edit was made, i accidentally opened up the editing ui and pressed save to exit out of it. i didnt change anything yet it still showed up as an edit

It appears it recorded the temporary removal and re-adding of a line when you saved it. Which is just silly, because it shows (indeed) no actual change happened and yet still counted it as an edit.

But yeah, try to avoid doing that if you can.

Oh and there's an EoD1 countdown in the first post of the thread, if you find it helpful.

Oh and there's an EoD1 countdown in the first post of the thread, if you find it helpful.

all you lazy bastards got 48 hours to make at least 5 posts for day 1

[l]3[/l]

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[spoiler= image]
[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816090026203021312/1052388859993935872/image.png[/img]
[/spoiler]

[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION]
[MENTION=45940]FM-Mabel Pines[/MENTION]
[MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION]
[MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46366]Trout[/MENTION]
[MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION]

all you lazy bastards got 48 hours to make at least 5 posts for day 1

3 votes to hammer.

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Spoiler : image :

@ikarusdk
@FM-Mabel Pines
@oliverz144
@Stealthbomber16
@Trout
@Varcron

Since its generally not okay to discuss the wording of role-PM's (i.e. word-for-word, as otherwise you could possibly vet people based on that), I will be pre-emptively ruining any point in discussing such by posting what I PM'ed for town roles as I am too lazy to deal with the potential aftermath of not pre-emptively ruining it.

[spoiler= sheriff]
you are the sheriff
[/spoiler]

[spoiler= citizen]
you are a town
[/spoiler]

[spoiler= moofia]
boogly woogly
[/spoiler]

Role PM's will be sent out in the next 20 minutes or so, when the game starts.

Since its generally not okay to discuss the wording of role-PM's (i.e. word-for-word, as otherwise you could possibly vet people based on that), I will be pre-emptively ruining any point in discussing such by posting what I PM'ed for town roles as I am too lazy to deal with the potential aftermath of not pre-emptively ruining it.

Spoiler : sheriff :

you are the sheriff

Spoiler : citizen :

you are a town

Spoiler : moofia :

boogly woogly

Role PM's will be sent out in the next 20 minutes or so, when the game starts.

Oh and Trout is still cool. If anyone is wondering.

I promise Trout is a lot more trustworthy than what TroutHunter (apparently, now) was.

Oh and Trout is still cool. If anyone is wondering.

I promise Trout is a lot more trustworthy than what TroutHunter (apparently, now) was.

Pro tip: If you're going to go great lengths to fool and deceive a FM host, don't be so dumb as to create two separate discord accounts in two servers to represent one person (especially when you just don't mention it at all lmao)

[MENTION=46367]TroutHunter[/MENTION] has been yeeted from the list and banished from the lazyrealm and into the shadowrealm. They were a mafia miller.

[B][COLOR="#DDA0DD"]Additionally[/COLOR][/B], upon a private request and consideration that this game has been in signups for awhile: we will go with original setup except the Sheriff will [u]automatically retire[/u] after realizing catching two mafia is too much work, so they'll just catch one. This changes the pure RNG winrate towards Mafia's favor, but ideally the new setup shouldn't be as imbalanced as making no changes to the original setup.

Oh and on an unrelated note

[MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION] has been replaced with [MENTION=45940]FM-Mabel Pines[/MENTION]


[spoiler= remaining pings]
[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION]
[MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46366]Trout[/MENTION]
[MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION]
[MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION]
[/spoiler]

Pro tip: If you're going to go great lengths to fool and deceive a FM host, don't be so dumb as to create two separate discord accounts in two servers to represent one person (especially when you just don't mention it at all lmao)

@TroutHunter has been yeeted from the list and banished from the lazyrealm and into the shadowrealm. They were a mafia miller.

Additionally, upon a private request and consideration that this game has been in signups for awhile: we will go with original setup except the Sheriff will automatically retire after realizing catching two mafia is too much work, so they'll just catch one. This changes the pure RNG winrate towards Mafia's favor, but ideally the new setup shouldn't be as imbalanced as making no changes to the original setup.

Oh and on an unrelated note

@Lumi has been replaced with @FM-Mabel Pines

Spoiler : remaining pings :

@ikarusdk
@oliverz144
@Trout
@Varcron
@Stealthbomber16

a few players decided to acknowledge the game's start time by other means

that's also ok so long as I know, I was too lazy to accurately anticipate what would be most convenient for people to notify me that they're aware

a few players decided to acknowledge the game's start time by other means

that's also ok so long as I know, I was too lazy to accurately anticipate what would be most convenient for people to notify me that they're aware

Lazzy has filled! It'll begin on Tuesday, December 13th, at 8PM EST ([URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/retirement?iso=20221213T20&p0=419&msg=Lazzy+Countdown&font=cursive&csz=1"]countdown here[/URL]), and will occur in this [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/50644-S-FM-347-Lazzy?p=972886"]game thread here[/URL]. [B]Please [U][COLOR="#EE82EE"]post here[/COLOR][/U] to acknowledge the start time, as not acknowledging this by the game's start time will likely lead to being replaced swiftly on the first day phase[/B]. Everyone will receive their role PM at game start.

Since we have newer folks as part of the game, I want to emphasize that you may reach out to me for any questions about Forum Mafia either via site PM or by discord (MartinGG99#6510; I am also in our FM discord server [URL="https://discord.gg/8vz6YccZAw"]here[/URL]). I also want to emphasize the following Forum Mafia rules and things:

[B]1.[/B] You should be making at least five posts per day phase, contrary to the lazy theme of this game. On the plus side, I am too lazy to care if your posts contribute to the game's discussions or not.
[B]2.[/B] Remember that the grim reaper demands a death per day phase, and on day 1 if you want to be extra lazy you can manage to hammer with just 3 votes (instead of 4).
[B]3.[/B] Please don't edit or delete posts in the game thread. Technically staff (including me) can see the changes made in an edited post, but it would be a major hassle to check and monitor many edited posts. An accident or two is fine, intentionally ignoring my warnings about it is not.
[B]4.[/B] In the off-chance you're going to be very invested into this, general reminder to not personally attack people. Its fine to criticize play, but it is not okay to strongly or repeatedly offend people.
[B]5.[/B] Yell at me if I am so lazy that I forget this game does not have night phases, especially since there's nothing to do in a night phase (likely won't happen but given the low level of input by me I may autopilot into that).

[COLOR="#FF0000"][B]Edit[/B][/COLOR]: [s]It does not say mafia have a private chat[/s] ([COLOR="#40E0D0"]it does say that Martin you fool[/COLOR]); almost all games do to some extent such that it would probably nerf the mafia to not add it. I'll be creating a discord server for the mafia buds to communicate if they want to. If you don't know what Discord is, now would be a good time to figure out what that is.

Oh and since I'm getting a bit busy IRL in the upcoming week or two, if there is a hammer there may be a one-day adjustment and I will give notice as soon as I am aware (instead of processing it the next time it is 8PM EST, I would do it the IRL day after that instead).

Signs/In's
[MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION]
[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION]
[MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46366]Trout[/MENTION]
[s][MENTION=46367]TroutHunter[/MENTION][/s]
[MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION]
[MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION]

Reserves
[MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION]

Lazzy has filled! It'll begin on Tuesday, December 13th, at 8PM EST (countdown here), and will occur in this game thread here. Please post here to acknowledge the start time, as not acknowledging this by the game's start time will likely lead to being replaced swiftly on the first day phase. Everyone will receive their role PM at game start.

Since we have newer folks as part of the game, I want to emphasize that you may reach out to me for any questions about Forum Mafia either via site PM or by discord (MartinGG99#6510; I am also in our FM discord server here). I also want to emphasize the following Forum Mafia rules and things:

1. You should be making at least five posts per day phase, contrary to the lazy theme of this game. On the plus side, I am too lazy to care if your posts contribute to the game's discussions or not.
2. Remember that the grim reaper demands a death per day phase, and on day 1 if you want to be extra lazy you can manage to hammer with just 3 votes (instead of 4).
3. Please don't edit or delete posts in the game thread. Technically staff (including me) can see the changes made in an edited post, but it would be a major hassle to check and monitor many edited posts. An accident or two is fine, intentionally ignoring my warnings about it is not.
4. In the off-chance you're going to be very invested into this, general reminder to not personally attack people. Its fine to criticize play, but it is not okay to strongly or repeatedly offend people.
5. Yell at me if I am so lazy that I forget this game does not have night phases, especially since there's nothing to do in a night phase (likely won't happen but given the low level of input by me I may autopilot into that).

Edit: It does not say mafia have a private chat (it does say that Martin you fool); almost all games do to some extent such that it would probably nerf the mafia to not add it. I'll be creating a discord server for the mafia buds to communicate if they want to. If you don't know what Discord is, now would be a good time to figure out what that is.

Oh and since I'm getting a bit busy IRL in the upcoming week or two, if there is a hammer there may be a one-day adjustment and I will give notice as soon as I am aware (instead of processing it the next time it is 8PM EST, I would do it the IRL day after that instead).

Signs/In's
@Lumi
@ikarusdk
@oliverz144
@Trout
@TroutHunter
@Varcron
@Stealthbomber16

Reserves
@Marshmallow Marshall
@Loldebite

[CENTER][SIZE=5]Lazzy[/SIZE][/CENTER]

[table="width: 650, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]Host [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=process&userid=21928&searchthreadid=50644&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1&order=ascending"]ISO[/URL][/td]
[td][B]Player[/B][/td]
[td][B]Role[/B][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][url=https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=process&userid=36817&searchthreadid=50644&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1&order=ascending]ISO[/url][/td]
[td]ikarusdk[/td]
[td][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][url=https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=process&userid=45940&searchthreadid=50644&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1&order=ascending]ISO[/url][/td]
[td]FM-Mabel Pines[/td]
[td][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][url=https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=process&userid=45982&searchthreadid=50644&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1&order=ascending]ISO[/url][/td]
[td]oliverz144[/td]
[td][COLOR="#00FF00"]Town[/COLOR] (EoD1)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][url=https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=process&userid=15807&searchthreadid=50644&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1&order=ascending]ISO[/url][/td]
[td]Stealthbomber16[/td]
[td][COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia [/COLOR](EoD2)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][url=https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=process&userid=46366&searchthreadid=50644&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1&order=ascending]ISO[/url][/td]
[td]Trout[/td]
[td][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][url=https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=process&userid=43484&searchthreadid=50644&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1&order=ascending]ISO[/url][/td]
[td]Varcron[/td]
[td][COLOR="#00FF00"]Sheriff[/COLOR] (EoD2)[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
[CENTER]

[URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/retirement?iso=20221213T20&p0=419&msg=Lazzy+Countdown&font=cursive&csz=1"]SoD1 Countdown[/URL]
[URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/retirement?iso=20221215T20&p0=419&msg=Lazzy+Countdown&font=cursive&csz=1"]EoD1 Countdown[/URL]
[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/50644-S-FM-347-Lazzy?p=973086&viewfull=1#post973086"]SoD2 link[/URL]
[URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/retirement?iso=20221217T20&p0=419&msg=Lazzy+Countdown&font=cursive&csz=1"]EoD2 Countdown[/URL]
[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/50644-S-FM-347-Lazzy?p=973244&viewfull=1#post973244"]SoD3 link[/URL]
[URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/retirement?iso=20221219T20&p0=419&msg=Lazzy+Countdown&font=cursive&csz=1"]EoD3 Countdown[/URL]
[/CENTER]


[spoiler= setup details]
There are two mafia and four town. Town's job is to kick out the lazy mafia because they're too lazy to be nice. Mafia's job is to reach deeper levels of laziness by ending the civic duty of eliminating someone every day through reaching equal numbers with the town.

One of the Town are given glorified role, the Lazy Town sheriff. They will quit the job (game) as soon as one mafia is eliminated, and don't have any special powers beyond having a unique name.

Mafia have a permanent private chat but do not have a night kill.

There are no night phases, and days last 48 hours unless there is a hammer (i.e. reaching 51%+ of votes on one person) which ends day and closes the thread immediately; it will be re-opened and processed the next time it is 8pm EST.

For day 1, the hammer needs 3 votes instead of 4. If you don't hammer by the end of any day, the highest-voted person (or randomly selected person who ties for that) will be chopped.

[B]Role PMs will be sent out around game start time, to be thematic.[/B]
[/spoiler]

more details may or may not be edited in here; if an edit occurs during the game (outside of adding links and role flips) I will make a post about it to give fair notice

Lazzy

Host ISO	Player	Role
ISO	ikarusdk
ISO	FM-Mabel Pines
ISO	oliverz144	Town (EoD1)
ISO	Stealthbomber16	Mafia (EoD2)
ISO	Trout
ISO	Varcron	Sheriff (EoD2)

SoD1 Countdown
EoD1 Countdown
SoD2 link
EoD2 Countdown
SoD3 link
EoD3 Countdown

Spoiler : setup details :

There are two mafia and four town. Town's job is to kick out the lazy mafia because they're too lazy to be nice. Mafia's job is to reach deeper levels of laziness by ending the civic duty of eliminating someone every day through reaching equal numbers with the town.

One of the Town are given glorified role, the Lazy Town sheriff. They will quit the job (game) as soon as one mafia is eliminated, and don't have any special powers beyond having a unique name.

Mafia have a permanent private chat but do not have a night kill.

There are no night phases, and days last 48 hours unless there is a hammer (i.e. reaching 51%+ of votes on one person) which ends day and closes the thread immediately; it will be re-opened and processed the next time it is 8pm EST.

For day 1, the hammer needs 3 votes instead of 4. If you don't hammer by the end of any day, the highest-voted person (or randomly selected person who ties for that) will be chopped.

Role PMs will be sent out around game start time, to be thematic.

more details may or may not be edited in here; if an edit occurs during the game (outside of adding links and role flips) I will make a post about it to give fair notice

[SIZE=1][s][MENTION=46367]TroutHunter[/MENTION] has verified their identity to me, and seeing nothing suspicious about them, they're back on the signups list. They just thought it would be funny to name themselves Trout Hunter.[/s]
[/SIZE]
EDIT: lol no

@TroutHunter has verified their identity to me, and seeing nothing suspicious about them, they're back on the signups list. They just thought it would be funny to name themselves Trout Hunter.

EDIT: lol no

[QUOTE=Arrow;972870]So here's the situation now that I'm home.

I'm concerned you're one of our trolls trying to get in, because your posts are coming from a location well outside our normal player area. And I don't think we're that famous.

How did you hear of us?[/QUOTE]
[MENTION=4902]Arrow[/MENTION]

I vouch for Trout based on conversations I had with them in our PM's, as well as messages that you can find in the discord server. If you would like, I can forward them to you either on site or in discord DM's. I don't know them personally, but to me there are a number of signs that make it unlikely for them to be one and make it a good idea to give them a chance. Lumi has conversed with me on the matter as well and, as far as I could tell, they came to the same conclusion as I.

Edit: I realize I don't have any sort of "official" standing or sway in Arcade -Mafia- decisions, but as a long-time member of the FM community and a mildly strong opinion on the matter I felt the obligation to speak up in the chance that it makes a difference to you.

Originally Posted by Arrow

So here's the situation now that I'm home.

I'm concerned you're one of our trolls trying to get in, because your posts are coming from a location well outside our normal player area. And I don't think we're that famous.

How did you hear of us?

@Arrow

I vouch for Trout based on conversations I had with them in our PM's, as well as messages that you can find in the discord server. If you would like, I can forward them to you either on site or in discord DM's. I don't know them personally, but to me there are a number of signs that make it unlikely for them to be one and make it a good idea to give them a chance. Lumi has conversed with me on the matter as well and, as far as I could tell, they came to the same conclusion as I.

Edit: I realize I don't have any sort of "official" standing or sway in Arcade -Mafia- decisions, but as a long-time member of the FM community and a mildly strong opinion on the matter I felt the obligation to speak up in the chance that it makes a difference to you.

[QUOTE=Yayap;972863][vote]TroutHunter[/vote]

just to start a counter wagon[/QUOTE]

[vote]Sterling[/vote]

Might be open to chopping Trout Hunter too depending on PM's.

It was my mistake earlier to presume they knew Trout and Trout knew them. The laziness had occurred in me at a deeper level than I originally anticipated, probably because I was (unironically) lazy. But, alas, there still remain some possible explanations for them not also being a ban evader (or even a duplicate account of Sterling, for all we know lol) depending on what they say and/or what evidence they have to point to.

Edit: If Trout Hunter does seem to be a genuine player though, then outside of me just clearing their name I will leave it up to them to post whatever they said or have publicly if they wish to.

Edit 2: Removed Trout Hunter for lack of activity / concern. Probably a duplicate account of Sterling (or sterling a duplicate account of theirs) imo.

Edit 3: If you're reading this in the future, Trout Hunter was re-added and then removed again later on.

Originally Posted by Yayap

-vote TroutHunter

just to start a counter wagon

-vote Sterling

Might be open to chopping Trout Hunter too depending on PM's.

It was my mistake earlier to presume they knew Trout and Trout knew them. The laziness had occurred in me at a deeper level than I originally anticipated, probably because I was (unironically) lazy. But, alas, there still remain some possible explanations for them not also being a ban evader (or even a duplicate account of Sterling, for all we know lol) depending on what they say and/or what evidence they have to point to.

Edit: If Trout Hunter does seem to be a genuine player though, then outside of me just clearing their name I will leave it up to them to post whatever they said or have publicly if they wish to.

Edit 2: Removed Trout Hunter for lack of activity / concern. Probably a duplicate account of Sterling (or sterling a duplicate account of theirs) imo.

Edit 3: If you're reading this in the future, Trout Hunter was re-added and then removed again later on.