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1 Week with no communications, ignoring previous forum posts. I'm calling this game dead. GG everyone.

1 Week with no communications, ignoring previous forum posts. I'm calling this game dead. GG everyone.

[QUOTE=Mateo;430121]no, you dont. a mods job is to moderate, to decide if rulebreaking deserves punishment. not to hand out punishment before any rules have been broken.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you're saying. However, if there was a string of gamethrowing and ruining going around and these names came up, I would put 2 and 2 together. Naming yourself known banned and gamethrowing people is not a good idea and it's not funny.

Originally Posted by Mateo

no, you dont. a mods job is to moderate, to decide if rulebreaking deserves punishment. not to hand out punishment before any rules have been broken.

I understand what you're saying. However, if there was a string of gamethrowing and ruining going around and these names came up, I would put 2 and 2 together. Naming yourself known banned and gamethrowing people is not a good idea and it's not funny.

[QUOTE=Bruno;430109]So you just randomly kick him for his name? That's fucked up, you may as well ban list him if you're gonna kick him every game[/QUOTE]

It's not. It's highly justified. You have to be proactive sometimes too as a mod.

Originally Posted by Bruno

So you just randomly kick him for his name? That's fucked up, you may as well ban list him if you're gonna kick him every game

It's not. It's highly justified. You have to be proactive sometimes too as a mod.

Host is afk. What do you expect.

Host is afk. What do you expect.

What's the most you want to pay for a phone? You can also browse [url]https://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Cell-Phones/912/cat.html[/url]

and see what you can get a good deal on.

What's the most you want to pay for a phone? You can also browse https://www.overstock.com/Electronics...s/912/cat.html

and see what you can get a good deal on.

RVLG,

We appreciate you hosting a game. But frankly you need to continue. It doesn't matter if someone was banned, if they suicided, if they were mean etc. the game has to go on. We cannot slow down the many for the few, that ruins the fairness and interest for active players.

The game has gone afk for too long now. Sure, RL happens and sometimes there are delays, but that should not be happening every time.

You need to decide what you can commit to and then commit to it. If 30 hours is too quick, then make it 48 or 72 or one week or whatever, but commit to it and follow through.

RVLG,

We appreciate you hosting a game. But frankly you need to continue. It doesn't matter if someone was banned, if they suicided, if they were mean etc. the game has to go on. We cannot slow down the many for the few, that ruins the fairness and interest for active players.

The game has gone afk for too long now. Sure, RL happens and sometimes there are delays, but that should not be happening every time.

You need to decide what you can commit to and then commit to it. If 30 hours is too quick, then make it 48 or 72 or one week or whatever, but commit to it and follow through.

Hi Geth. Submit multiple replays please.

Hi Geth. Submit multiple replays please.

I was plenty mature before I was 18 so to me it's just a number. It's the quality that counts.

I was plenty mature before I was 18 so to me it's just a number. It's the quality that counts.

This thread shows at the top when clicking the new posts button, even though this thread is not new and has been seen. Can you do anything about that Cryptonic?

This thread shows at the top when clicking the new posts button, even though this thread is not new and has been seen. Can you do anything about that Cryptonic?

Please report these issues in the town of salem forum.

Please report these issues in the town of salem forum.

I think Lover from EpicMafia is a much better choice for implementation. Google it. I think you'll love it.

I think Lover from EpicMafia is a much better choice for implementation. Google it. I think you'll love it.

[QUOTE=Nick;428053]There are differences between RPG based on imagination and RPG based on rulebooks. This RPG is the former.[/QUOTE]

This is an RPG based on magical tea party. This is fine and I'm glad it's fully revealed as such.

[QUOTE=ThinkLiveLife;428044]I like the game and think it will work fine regardless of what is set in stone. Hostile comments will just dismantle the game and make it fall apart. Lets just kick our feet up and have some fun[/QUOTE]

Yep let's have some fun. And, let's be careful about combat because there is only the GM's whims to protect us.

Originally Posted by Nick

There are differences between RPG based on imagination and RPG based on rulebooks. This RPG is the former.

This is an RPG based on magical tea party. This is fine and I'm glad it's fully revealed as such.

Originally Posted by ThinkLiveLife

I like the game and think it will work fine regardless of what is set in stone. Hostile comments will just dismantle the game and make it fall apart. Lets just kick our feet up and have some fun

Yep let's have some fun. And, let's be careful about combat because there is only the GM's whims to protect us.

People may leave quickly because they know there is no auto afk repick. You could make it so that the second one is 30 secs.

People may leave quickly because they know there is no auto afk repick. You could make it so that the second one is 30 secs.

I'd say give it at least 1 minute. But yeah, an auto repick for an afk host would be a good idea methinks.

I'd say give it at least 1 minute. But yeah, an auto repick for an afk host would be a good idea methinks.

So,

It sounds to me like you really don't know how your system works because you haven't decided on a lot of things, and that it mostly just works by Magical Tea Party. That's fine, but it'd be better if this were explicitly stated.

10. Can you define how respawn works, how often it happens, etc.?

So,

It sounds to me like you really don't know how your system works because you haven't decided on a lot of things, and that it mostly just works by Magical Tea Party. That's fine, but it'd be better if this were explicitly stated.

10. Can you define how respawn works, how often it happens, etc.?

[QUOTE=RLVG;428026]In all games that have used maps, it's a standard mechanic - I would've thought of this even without the other maps, it just share a simmiliar concept.
It was not an issue as far I know.

The other things are for creativity and not every 5 points is a new thing. It's simply a level and chance of success comes with the higher levels due experience.

Levelups are obtained by doing certain things.

Damage is a secret for now, because nearly every single player is at 1HP...[/QUOTE]

It's an issue as far as incentives go. People will have excess actions but be unable to use them.

Could you go back and answer my previous questions? I have a few more too

5. Do stats affect skill use. If so how?
6. Do # of actions affect combat?
7. Can you explain how combat works?
8. Are we allowed to pk?
9. Can you share the chart which shows the point progression foe stats and skills and how much you need of each to get better?

Originally Posted by RLVG

In all games that have used maps, it's a standard mechanic - I would've thought of this even without the other maps, it just share a simmiliar concept.
It was not an issue as far I know.

The other things are for creativity and not every 5 points is a new thing. It's simply a level and chance of success comes with the higher levels due experience.

Levelups are obtained by doing certain things.

Damage is a secret for now, because nearly every single player is at 1HP...

It's an issue as far as incentives go. People will have excess actions but be unable to use them.

Could you go back and answer my previous questions? I have a few more too

5. Do stats affect skill use. If so how?
6. Do # of actions affect combat?
7. Can you explain how combat works?
8. Are we allowed to pk?
9. Can you share the chart which shows the point progression foe stats and skills and how much you need of each to get better?

[QUOTE=RLVG;427991]I'm just going to repeat this line... Ugh.

You can't do an action after / during moving to a different tile on the world map.[/QUOTE]

I understand the statement, and I'm just pointing out that this unnecessarily nerfs intelligence in my view as well as discourage Nature dwellings vs City Dwellings. Not to mention that once you start getting vehicles of increasing speeds, it takes less time to move as well.

I hope you will reconsider and answer my other questions too.

Originally Posted by RLVG

I'm just going to repeat this line... Ugh.

You can't do an action after / during moving to a different tile on the world map.

I understand the statement, and I'm just pointing out that this unnecessarily nerfs intelligence in my view as well as discourage Nature dwellings vs City Dwellings. Not to mention that once you start getting vehicles of increasing speeds, it takes less time to move as well.

I hope you will reconsider and answer my other questions too.

Just a few notes/Comments/questions.

1. Your Note:

[QUOTE=RLVG;427653] Final Note : You can't do an action when you're moving to a different tile, you must wait for the next round.[/quote]

I'd like to ask you to reconsider this. This nerfs intelligence. If you're trekking through the wilderness, trying to explore, you really want to be able to explore your current square and the square you move to.

2. How does damage work? If I have 1 HP am I screwed?

3. I'm assuming you get some bonus every 5 points in something for stats and skills, can you go into detail about this?

4. How do you level up and improve your skills ingame? How difficult is it to do so?

Just a few notes/Comments/questions.

1. Your Note:

Originally Posted by RLVG

Final Note : You can't do an action when you're moving to a different tile, you must wait for the next round.

I'd like to ask you to reconsider this. This nerfs intelligence. If you're trekking through the wilderness, trying to explore, you really want to be able to explore your current square and the square you move to.

2. How does damage work? If I have 1 HP am I screwed?

3. I'm assuming you get some bonus every 5 points in something for stats and skills, can you go into detail about this?

4. How do you level up and improve your skills ingame? How difficult is it to do so?

[QUOTE=Elixir;427736]I'll bite:

Broken Government:

2 Auditors is the only reason this setup falls over. In a setup where you youself exclude the neutral killing as soon as it hits 14 players this setup is so rediculously swingy that I don't agree with it. It literally comes down to the first two nights (night 1 generally being RNG as fuck anyway) That cobbled together with the fact battle net hates citizens anyway just is more cause for them to complain..[/QUOTE]

Whoa, My deletions are messed up from my original post, let me fix that. But no, Neut Killing is the 1st slot and the last to fall.

Originally Posted by Elixir

I'll bite:

Broken Government:

2 Auditors is the only reason this setup falls over. In a setup where you youself exclude the neutral killing as soon as it hits 14 players this setup is so rediculously swingy that I don't agree with it. It literally comes down to the first two nights (night 1 generally being RNG as fuck anyway) That cobbled together with the fact battle net hates citizens anyway just is more cause for them to complain..

Whoa, My deletions are messed up from my original post, let me fix that. But no, Neut Killing is the 1st slot and the last to fall.

Just a note to consider. Whenever you get a non tmobile plan you pay for the phone you get even after you finished paying for. Say for example the phone is 20 per month or 400 now. Well your contract it 24 months so you end up paying 4 months extra.

Just a note to consider. Whenever you get a non tmobile plan you pay for the phone you get even after you finished paying for. Say for example the phone is 20 per month or 400 now. Well your contract it 24 months so you end up paying 4 months extra.

Yeah, I guess a small pool of ignorance is better than a large pool of ignorance. The way these downvotes are being submitted, it still disincentivizes people submitting setups under the same name. Well, let's see how this turns out. I'm glad the public has a chance to vote.

Yeah, I guess a small pool of ignorance is better than a large pool of ignorance. The way these downvotes are being submitted, it still disincentivizes people submitting setups under the same name. Well, let's see how this turns out. I'm glad the public has a chance to vote.

Hmm more graveyard mini games. I like this.

Hmm more graveyard mini games. I like this.

The ideas need some polish. But, I like the idea of fake heart attacks.

The ideas need some polish. But, I like the idea of fake heart attacks.

I guess it's time to submit as multiple usernames eh? Since I'm being downvoted on things that have not been played.

I guess it's time to submit as multiple usernames eh? Since I'm being downvoted on things that have not been played.

Ok, then why don't you all make, test, and submit some basic sotd saves. I'm tempted to do so some myself.

Ok, then why don't you all make, test, and submit some basic sotd saves. I'm tempted to do so some myself.

[QUOTE=RLVG;427660]You're comparing hard plastic casings, metal, wires and mechanics with towels?:weird:[/quote]

I'm just trying to use a little humor to highlight 2 metrics that don't scale properly. Pistols and towels do not get proportionally heavier the better they are, that is to say they're not like swords or melee weapons where a measure of the effectiveness (of a swing for instance) is strongly tied to the weight.

[QUOTE=RLVG;427660]I see what you mean. Imagine however if this game was stuck in a Hi-Tech 80's when things are like our age, but more robust technology.
Would that help explaining the weight issue of pistols? I'm just trying.[/QUOTE]

That might make more sense if you were trying to say that all guns were powered by lasers that required very heavy portable power sources. But, you have bullets here.

Originally Posted by RLVG

You're comparing hard plastic casings, metal, wires and mechanics with towels?

I'm just trying to use a little humor to highlight 2 metrics that don't scale properly. Pistols and towels do not get proportionally heavier the better they are, that is to say they're not like swords or melee weapons where a measure of the effectiveness (of a swing for instance) is strongly tied to the weight.

Originally Posted by RLVG

I see what you mean. Imagine however if this game was stuck in a Hi-Tech 80's when things are like our age, but more robust technology.
Would that help explaining the weight issue of pistols? I'm just trying.

That might make more sense if you were trying to say that all guns were powered by lasers that required very heavy portable power sources. But, you have bullets here.

[QUOTE=Numbertwo;427631]Yeah, stop complaining about nerfs. If the host thinks something is too powerful then he should nerf it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hypersniper;427627]ANd ALDARIS STFU IM GETTING REALLY MAD

STOP FUCKING OVERCOMPLICATING THINGS IT DELAYS THE GAME[/QUOTE]

It's called passion people. You all can lay down and not know the mechanics and take whatever comes your way. I care about my character and his chances of success.

Originally Posted by Numbertwo

Yeah, stop complaining about nerfs. If the host thinks something is too powerful then he should nerf it.

Originally Posted by Hypersniper

ANd ALDARIS STFU IM GETTING REALLY MAD

STOP FUCKING OVERCOMPLICATING THINGS IT DELAYS THE GAME

It's called passion people. You all can lay down and not know the mechanics and take whatever comes your way. I care about my character and his chances of success.

[QUOTE=RLVG;427616]Pistol

Revolver- Weight (2) Str 2
Small Pistol- Weight 2.5) Str 3
Large Pistol- Weight (5) Str 4
Automatic Pistol- Weight (5 - 10) Str 7

Revolver : Light enough to be wielded by default. +1 strength for the next tier, +1 strength for the next one and then +3 for the last one.

I'm sorry, but is this an issue?
I'm thinking that pistols are used one handed and that it have to be held up without shaking it up and down due to lack of strength.

Edit : An example is an Uzi. It's an one-handed pistol and can be dual-wielded. It's weight is average 3.5kg, on a single hand and it have to be held up to accurately aim. If you're not strong enough, the weight will be quite the burden to use.[/QUOTE]

RVLG,

You can make any arbitrary metrics for anything. For example: Handcloth Weight 1 (Str 2), Washcloth Weight 2 (Str 3), Towel Weight 3 (Str 4), Body Towel Weight 4 (Str 5), Beach Towel Weight 10 (Str 15).

Yes, it's an issue because even old women can hold guns. See these links for weights , [URL="https://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/pistols.asp"]here[/URL], and [URL="https://us.glock.com/products/model/g20"]here[/URL]. The second link is of an Auto Glock. You'll notice the weights of these even the automatic ones do not exceed 2.5 pounds! If my elderly mother-in-law can hold my 33 lbs child, she can use a 2.5 lb pistol!

People can, should, and do hold their pistols with two hands! Even your Uzi probably should be held with two hands. We're not talking about people holding these things up all day long, we're talking about them holding them up to fire a few rounds. That's likely the length of a combat here.

Originally Posted by RLVG

Pistol

Revolver- Weight (2) Str 2
Small Pistol- Weight 2.5) Str 3
Large Pistol- Weight (5) Str 4
Automatic Pistol- Weight (5 - 10) Str 7

Revolver : Light enough to be wielded by default. +1 strength for the next tier, +1 strength for the next one and then +3 for the last one.

I'm sorry, but is this an issue?
I'm thinking that pistols are used one handed and that it have to be held up without shaking it up and down due to lack of strength.

Edit : An example is an Uzi. It's an one-handed pistol and can be dual-wielded. It's weight is average 3.5kg, on a single hand and it have to be held up to accurately aim. If you're not strong enough, the weight will be quite the burden to use.

RVLG,

You can make any arbitrary metrics for anything. For example: Handcloth Weight 1 (Str 2), Washcloth Weight 2 (Str 3), Towel Weight 3 (Str 4), Body Towel Weight 4 (Str 5), Beach Towel Weight 10 (Str 15).

Yes, it's an issue because even old women can hold guns. See these links for weights , here, and here. The second link is of an Auto Glock. You'll notice the weights of these even the automatic ones do not exceed 2.5 pounds! If my elderly mother-in-law can hold my 33 lbs child, she can use a 2.5 lb pistol!

People can, should, and do hold their pistols with two hands! Even your Uzi probably should be held with two hands. We're not talking about people holding these things up all day long, we're talking about them holding them up to fire a few rounds. That's likely the length of a combat here.

[QUOTE=ika;427613]Your just overcomplicating something that is relatively simple already.

also



so its moot[/QUOTE]

Quit minimizing my statements. If you don't care about stats and how the numbers work, please kindly quit talking adding to the noise and clutter.

It's not moot. Pistols are not that heavy and certainly shouldn't prevent use.

Originally Posted by ika

Your just overcomplicating something that is relatively simple already.

also



so its moot

Quit minimizing my statements. If you don't care about stats and how the numbers work, please kindly quit talking adding to the noise and clutter.

It's not moot. Pistols are not that heavy and certainly shouldn't prevent use.

What about the bat?

Also I disagree on Str requirements for pistols. They are light to begin with.

You'll need to explain skill levels for characters now. You should also explain what each point of each stat gives us.

What about the bat?

Also I disagree on Str requirements for pistols. They are light to begin with.

You'll need to explain skill levels for characters now. You should also explain what each point of each stat gives us.

You know guys there is a sotd discussion thread. If you have specific feedback on how to make individual saves better, post it there. Enough idle talk and unconstructive whining.

You know guys there is a sotd discussion thread. If you have specific feedback on how to make individual saves better, post it there. Enough idle talk and unconstructive whining.

[QUOTE=Hypersniper;427543]And don't change a thing unless noctiZ suggests it
Aldaris makes problems=delays=loss of interest[/QUOTE]

I'm not causing any trouble. I'm against pointless nerfs. I'll explain more tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Hypersniper

And don't change a thing unless noctiZ suggests it
Aldaris makes problems=delays=loss of interest

I'm not causing any trouble. I'm against pointless nerfs. I'll explain more tomorrow.

[QUOTE=NoctiZ;427455]You could've simply PM'd him just as I did. The lack of creativity in that regard will reflect in your actions.[/quote]

I wouldn't call it a lack of creativity. I would call it assuming (good or bad) that the game will try to be fair at the outset. I didn't see anything about making multiple characters either. Or anything about making multiple forum accounts and collaborating them together either.

[QUOTE=NoctiZ;427455]Weight problems are realistic, and while most won't, it'd only be fair if atleast the ones who didn't increase their capacity encounter weight problems or atleast come close to. The people who have a high capacity should have no problems with this and the ones with low capacity (or the ones who would like to change their stats following the change) should atleast get the chance to change their stats (not perks/skills).[/QUOTE]

I don't see who we're being unfair too, The Saint of Encumbrance? This is a fantasy game, I don't see any need to be "realistic" except in extreme cases (like moving mountains).

Originally Posted by NoctiZ

You could've simply PM'd him just as I did. The lack of creativity in that regard will reflect in your actions.

I wouldn't call it a lack of creativity. I would call it assuming (good or bad) that the game will try to be fair at the outset. I didn't see anything about making multiple characters either. Or anything about making multiple forum accounts and collaborating them together either.

Originally Posted by NoctiZ

Weight problems are realistic, and while most won't, it'd only be fair if atleast the ones who didn't increase their capacity encounter weight problems or atleast come close to. The people who have a high capacity should have no problems with this and the ones with low capacity (or the ones who would like to change their stats following the change) should atleast get the chance to change their stats (not perks/skills).

I don't see who we're being unfair too, The Saint of Encumbrance? This is a fantasy game, I don't see any need to be "realistic" except in extreme cases (like moving mountains).

It's not really fair to have some characters revealed to all or some hidden. they should all be revealed or none revealed.

I don't see why we need to encounter weight problems. Encumbrance is good when people are trying to pick up ridiculous things like mountains

It's not really fair to have some characters revealed to all or some hidden. they should all be revealed or none revealed.

I don't see why we need to encounter weight problems. Encumbrance is good when people are trying to pick up ridiculous things like mountains

[QUOTE=NoctiZ;427422]Is what you say, but the player list says that I'm in the game, scrub.

I just don't get the need to nerf anything anyway, weight capacity is fine by me and it shouldn't affect us that much anyway. I'm fine with reducing it like a quarter or something, whatevs. I just wanna have fuuuun.[/QUOTE]

You never posted your character in this thread.

I'm all for having fun. But, I want to be convinced of the need to nerf something.

Originally Posted by NoctiZ

Is what you say, but the player list says that I'm in the game, scrub.

I just don't get the need to nerf anything anyway, weight capacity is fine by me and it shouldn't affect us that much anyway. I'm fine with reducing it like a quarter or something, whatevs. I just wanna have fuuuun.

You never posted your character in this thread.

I'm all for having fun. But, I want to be convinced of the need to nerf something.

[QUOTE=NoctiZ;427410]Do we really have to make everything so "transparent" and super balanced? I don't care about min-maxing my stats, I just wanna have fun.[/QUOTE]

If you're gonna nerf something and tell me that it won't affect my character, I want to be really sure of that logic.

Second, you don't even have a character here.

Originally Posted by NoctiZ

Do we really have to make everything so "transparent" and super balanced? I don't care about min-maxing my stats, I just wanna have fun.

If you're gonna nerf something and tell me that it won't affect my character, I want to be really sure of that logic.

Second, you don't even have a character here.

I'd rather you not delay the game. Process the actions and work on a list in the interim.

I'd rather you not delay the game. Process the actions and work on a list in the interim.

Hi RLVG,

None of your posts make sense to me without the context. To understand what we give up, I'd need to have scenarios with different items sets, the weight of each item, and how they add up. Also light medium heavy doesn't tell me weight.

Hi RLVG,

None of your posts make sense to me without the context. To understand what we give up, I'd need to have scenarios with different items sets, the weight of each item, and how they add up. Also light medium heavy doesn't tell me weight.

Please don't do that. I already submitted my stat choices for a reason

Please don't do that. I already submitted my stat choices for a reason

[QUOTE=Nick;427090]Balance issues are best tackled early.
[/QUOTE]

I don't understand why this is a balance issue. If you want to min/max strength, you should have a good carrying capacity.

Originally Posted by Nick

Balance issues are best tackled early.

I don't understand why this is a balance issue. If you want to min/max strength, you should have a good carrying capacity.

+1. But, just be prepared to lose them all when the game updates.

+1. But, just be prepared to lose them all when the game updates.

[QUOTE=Account;427163]
I simply don't want perfectly sound setups mixed in with any of the SOTD section (something any player would want as well). All three are garbage. This many setups in SOTD are good setups[/quote] We don't need a separate section for Account setups.
[QUOTE=Account;427163]
My setups can be "tested" and evaluated and whatever all need be to "make the cut" of having their own section. That's up to the moderation and/or polls.

I'm simply saying: I will not take the hours and hours of time doing this (i.e. making each setup, tweaking each one, posting them in the format requested by the web site, etc.)
[/quote]

You're being a hypocrite here. You've accused SOTD makers of not testing setups (which is false) and they do not know what a good setup is.

Again, no one is omniscient and you don't know what the ideal is necessarily even after testing. If you're not testing, then you lack some sincerity in trying to provide "good setups" to the community.


[QUOTE=Account;427163]I'm WILLING to do this work. I simply want the moderation's word that they won't be thrown in with the garbage that the SOTD sections are. Players deserve to know what they are getting. [/quote]
Again, there's little value to a completely new section called "Account Setups". As stated before, if you have good contributions to make, go make them!

[QUOTE=Account;427163]SOTD is a complete mixture, in every section, with each setup having little to do with one another, and the majority of them being either pure random dice-rolling wastes of time, like playing "Chutes and Ladders", or, so pre-set that a role call would win the game, or, stacked hard for a particular side; all of which defeats the purpose of logic and deceit in "Mafia".[/quote]

This has already been responded to, there's a lot of strategy in most of these setups. You would discover it if you weren't breaking the spirit of the game and leavetraining and insist that the game can only be played in the ways you preconceived.

[QUOTE=Account;427163]
If anyone else wants to help me out, I'd be more than accepting. I just want to make sure all modifications to any setups of this particular section are agreed upon together by me and anyone helping. I already have a detailed idea and all reasoning of each setup right now though. I've played long enough and set up the game (and modified in-game when a player or two or three drop or leave) to know what it takes to make a good game.[/QUOTE]

Why don't you make a Setup Creation Brainstorming Thread and ask for feedback?

Originally Posted by Account

I simply don't want perfectly sound setups mixed in with any of the SOTD section (something any player would want as well). All three are garbage. This many setups in SOTD are good setups

We don't need a separate section for Account setups.

Originally Posted by Account

My setups can be "tested" and evaluated and whatever all need be to "make the cut" of having their own section. That's up to the moderation and/or polls.

I'm simply saying: I will not take the hours and hours of time doing this (i.e. making each setup, tweaking each one, posting them in the format requested by the web site, etc.)

You're being a hypocrite here. You've accused SOTD makers of not testing setups (which is false) and they do not know what a good setup is.

Again, no one is omniscient and you don't know what the ideal is necessarily even after testing. If you're not testing, then you lack some sincerity in trying to provide "good setups" to the community.

Originally Posted by Account

I'm WILLING to do this work. I simply want the moderation's word that they won't be thrown in with the garbage that the SOTD sections are. Players deserve to know what they are getting.

Again, there's little value to a completely new section called "Account Setups". As stated before, if you have good contributions to make, go make them!

Originally Posted by Account

SOTD is a complete mixture, in every section, with each setup having little to do with one another, and the majority of them being either pure random dice-rolling wastes of time, like playing "Chutes and Ladders", or, so pre-set that a role call would win the game, or, stacked hard for a particular side; all of which defeats the purpose of logic and deceit in "Mafia".

This has already been responded to, there's a lot of strategy in most of these setups. You would discover it if you weren't breaking the spirit of the game and leavetraining and insist that the game can only be played in the ways you preconceived.

Originally Posted by Account

If anyone else wants to help me out, I'd be more than accepting. I just want to make sure all modifications to any setups of this particular section are agreed upon together by me and anyone helping. I already have a detailed idea and all reasoning of each setup right now though. I've played long enough and set up the game (and modified in-game when a player or two or three drop or leave) to know what it takes to make a good game.

Why don't you make a Setup Creation Brainstorming Thread and ask for feedback?

It would be really nice to be able to submit CLUE saves, that is to say saves where roles are not revealed after death. We really need this as a Global Option. Right now, saving a clue save does nothing.

It would be really nice to be able to submit CLUE saves, that is to say saves where roles are not revealed after death. We really need this as a Global Option. Right now, saving a clue save does nothing.

Mugy7 has admitted before that he does not follow the rules all the way. We have mods in this thread admitting they will enforce rules as they see fit.

Mugy7 has admitted before that he does not follow the rules all the way. We have mods in this thread admitting they will enforce rules as they see fit.

I don't understand why we have rules when the mods openly claim they will not follow them and reassure us that they are benevolent dictators.

Just do away with rules and say be nice but trust us because we are generally nice and fair people.

I don't understand why we have rules when the mods openly claim they will not follow them and reassure us that they are benevolent dictators.

Just do away with rules and say be nice but trust us because we are generally nice and fair people.

Xentios,

I'm sure Dark Revenant saw your original post. Expand your mind a bit. There's no "setup hell" around here. The main issue is that we have two different goals at hand.

[B]Goal 1.[/B] Get a random setup from a set of setups

This is huge. Epic Mafia doesn't have this. No mafia game has this. It is very nice to not have to choose a setup and get surprised by what you get.

[B]Goal 2.[/B] Be able to choose from more Predefined Setups

SC2 Mafia already has several Predefined setups. This is great. SOTD just adds more options to this. People also want to be able to choose from a larger list of setups to play the game with.

[B]Proposed Solution[/B]

SOTD should open up a menu. It should list every setup in the SOTD system and have checkboxes for include/exclude just like roles do. Every Setup should have an adjustable weight just like roles do. In this way, you can change Dark Revenants weights, excluding some setups you don't like, but leave the others for random generation and so forth. When you type -save, you would save your presets for SOTD games as well as roles.

In this way you leave the arbitrariness of calling a Setup Basic, Intermediate, Advanced, etc. while allowing people to directly choose the SOTD they want to play while letting them adjust the random parameters of the SOTDs they will potentially get.

Xentios,

I'm sure Dark Revenant saw your original post. Expand your mind a bit. There's no "setup hell" around here. The main issue is that we have two different goals at hand.

Goal 1. Get a random setup from a set of setups

This is huge. Epic Mafia doesn't have this. No mafia game has this. It is very nice to not have to choose a setup and get surprised by what you get.

Goal 2. Be able to choose from more Predefined Setups

SC2 Mafia already has several Predefined setups. This is great. SOTD just adds more options to this. People also want to be able to choose from a larger list of setups to play the game with.

Proposed Solution

SOTD should open up a menu. It should list every setup in the SOTD system and have checkboxes for include/exclude just like roles do. Every Setup should have an adjustable weight just like roles do. In this way, you can change Dark Revenants weights, excluding some setups you don't like, but leave the others for random generation and so forth. When you type -save, you would save your presets for SOTD games as well as roles.

In this way you leave the arbitrariness of calling a Setup Basic, Intermediate, Advanced, etc. while allowing people to directly choose the SOTD they want to play while letting them adjust the random parameters of the SOTDs they will potentially get.

apothecary is awesome. Poisoning adds an interesting mechanic. I'd urge you all to consider it.

apothecary is awesome. Poisoning adds an interesting mechanic. I'd urge you all to consider it.

Let's actually just play the game before we go making changes.

Let's actually just play the game before we go making changes.

Again, you're speaking from ignorance. Testing means played a version of the setup. All my saves have been tested many times. Most saves submitted by others fall under this category of lots of testing as well.

You're shifting the goalposts. I'll add another one.

8. Popularity is not balance

Seriously, don't shift the goal posts and get popularity and balance mixed up. My save Parliament is the most balanced setup of all by definition. All sides have a roughly equal chance of winning. Some people like it.; Some people don't, but this has nothing to do with the setup's inherent balance.

9. Not every setup is for everyone and that's good.

10. No one is omniscient

You speak with a lot of authority on things you don't know yet. You don't know if a setup is balanced or popular untilit gets tested and played.

Some people like john rambo. Some don't. Some people Like chicago. Some don't. More setups allow more ways to play the game for different people. Just because some people may not like a particular setup does not make that setup unbalanced or "bad".

Again, you're speaking from ignorance. Testing means played a version of the setup. All my saves have been tested many times. Most saves submitted by others fall under this category of lots of testing as well.

You're shifting the goalposts. I'll add another one.

8. Popularity is not balance

Seriously, don't shift the goal posts and get popularity and balance mixed up. My save Parliament is the most balanced setup of all by definition. All sides have a roughly equal chance of winning. Some people like it.; Some people don't, but this has nothing to do with the setup's inherent balance.

9. Not every setup is for everyone and that's good.

10. No one is omniscient

You speak with a lot of authority on things you don't know yet. You don't know if a setup is balanced or popular untilit gets tested and played.

Some people like john rambo. Some don't. Some people Like chicago. Some don't. More setups allow more ways to play the game for different people. Just because some people may not like a particular setup does not make that setup unbalanced or "bad".