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Okay, now I've said everything I wanted to be said for now. Good night.

Okay, now I've said everything I wanted to be said for now. Good night.

[QUOTE=S-FM Lembird Oshay;875055]i dont see a world where mafia disguises into our 1v2,
they want us to mislynch as many times as possible[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's why I was more or less disregarding the possibilities that one of us is framed. I did mention it wouldn't be super unlikely to be disguising as me but still pretty unlikely in the grand scheme of things.

Originally Posted by S-FM Lembird Oshay

i dont see a world where mafia disguises into our 1v2,
they want us to mislynch as many times as possible

Yeah, that's why I was more or less disregarding the possibilities that one of us is framed. I did mention it wouldn't be super unlikely to be disguising as me but still pretty unlikely in the grand scheme of things.

This quacking thing is actually quite fun. Maybe I will adopt it in my future games. Anyway, I posted my thoughts and my personal read is still that Quinne's Sheriff claim is believable since D1 and Marlwyn is definite scum in my eyes after my result, doubting a frame job.

Oh, last thing. The reason I asked [MENTION=45444]S-FM Fred Attlebish[/MENTION] if Marlwyn revealed their identity in the chat is because of this..

[SPOILER=Rolecard town Navigator][COLOR="#00FF00"]Role: Navigator (Architect) - Support[/COLOR]
Description: You're a spaceflight engineer with expertise in navigational systems and artificial intelligence, serving as the head navigator of the Magellan.
The Magellan uses a highly-advanced artificial intelligence system to chart, and correct, flight paths in real-time.
Unbeknownst to most, it is so powerful it essentially has a mind of its own. It uses a neural interface to communicate with users; whilst incredibly powerful, it takes time getting used to it - and one needs to be finely tuned to the system to be able to gracefully interface with it.
Being the navigator, you are in a unique position to utilise this technological marvel.
You can use it to establish a temporary neural connection with a player of your choice.

Ability: Interface with the ship AI at night, giving yourself and another player a temporary day-and-night chat that lasts until the end of the next phase.
[COLOR="#00FFFF"][B]Special: You may not reveal your identity in your chat.[/B][/COLOR][/SPOILER]
See the bolded, coloured Special.

But in the scum Architect/Framer role card, no such thing is mentioned..

[SPOILER=Rolecard scum Architect][COLOR="#FF8C00"]Role: Mentalics Expert (Framer/Architect) - Support[/COLOR]
[Description: You are a Mentalics Expert, an individual with rare, but weak, psionic abilities. You can work "changes" in the neural makeup of an individual, thereby clouding their thoughts or making certain thought patterns appear to be more significant than they really are.
Ability: Minimally change a player's emotions, causing them to appear to be of an alignment of your choosing to investigative Roles. You can only do this twice per game, and the effect is permanent.
Ability: Give yourself and another player a temporary day-and-night chat that lasts until the end of the next phase.
Special: You share a night chat with the rest of the Brookmond agents.
Special: You can only use one of your abilities per night.[/SPOILER]

So basically I'm trying to get Fred to tell me if Marlwyn slipped.. and also I'm trying to find out from Ganelon if this difference is intended.

[MENTION=29730]Ganelon[/MENTION] [MENTION=45396]S-FM Magellan Core[/MENTION] [COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Is this difference in wording intended? Is a Navigator forbidden from claiming their identity but a Mentalics Expert is allowed to claim their identity?[/COLOR]

This quacking thing is actually quite fun. Maybe I will adopt it in my future games. Anyway, I posted my thoughts and my personal read is still that Quinne's Sheriff claim is believable since D1 and Marlwyn is definite scum in my eyes after my result, doubting a frame job.

Oh, last thing. The reason I asked @S-FM Fred Attlebish if Marlwyn revealed their identity in the chat is because of this..

Spoiler : Rolecard town Navigator :

Role: Navigator (Architect) - Support
Description: You're a spaceflight engineer with expertise in navigational systems and artificial intelligence, serving as the head navigator of the Magellan.
The Magellan uses a highly-advanced artificial intelligence system to chart, and correct, flight paths in real-time.
Unbeknownst to most, it is so powerful it essentially has a mind of its own. It uses a neural interface to communicate with users; whilst incredibly powerful, it takes time getting used to it - and one needs to be finely tuned to the system to be able to gracefully interface with it.
Being the navigator, you are in a unique position to utilise this technological marvel.
You can use it to establish a temporary neural connection with a player of your choice.

Ability: Interface with the ship AI at night, giving yourself and another player a temporary day-and-night chat that lasts until the end of the next phase.
Special: You may not reveal your identity in your chat.

See the bolded, coloured Special.

But in the scum Architect/Framer role card, no such thing is mentioned..

Spoiler : Rolecard scum Architect :

Role: Mentalics Expert (Framer/Architect) - Support
[Description: You are a Mentalics Expert, an individual with rare, but weak, psionic abilities. You can work "changes" in the neural makeup of an individual, thereby clouding their thoughts or making certain thought patterns appear to be more significant than they really are.
Ability: Minimally change a player's emotions, causing them to appear to be of an alignment of your choosing to investigative Roles. You can only do this twice per game, and the effect is permanent.
Ability: Give yourself and another player a temporary day-and-night chat that lasts until the end of the next phase.
Special: You share a night chat with the rest of the Brookmond agents.
Special: You can only use one of your abilities per night.

So basically I'm trying to get Fred to tell me if Marlwyn slipped.. and also I'm trying to find out from Ganelon if this difference is intended.

@Ganelon @S-FM Magellan Core Is this difference in wording intended? Is a Navigator forbidden from claiming their identity but a Mentalics Expert is allowed to claim their identity?

[QUOTE=S-FM Quinne;875048]i did nawt check anyone last night[/QUOTE]

QUACK

Originally Posted by S-FM Quinne

i did nawt check anyone last night

QUACK

Just remember, this whole plan breaks down should Korvin die. I trust he won't but I still encourage everyone to draw a conclusion from your reads on who the likeliest scum is out of us 3 claims. We still need to find the other hidden scum mates anyway.

Just remember, this whole plan breaks down should Korvin die. I trust he won't but I still encourage everyone to draw a conclusion from your reads on who the likeliest scum is out of us 3 claims. We still need to find the other hidden scum mates anyway.

[QUOTE=S-FM Marck Wilbird;875042][COLOR="#00FFFF"][B]This is a good breakdown. Thank you for doing it, I will take it into consideration while I prepare myself mentally for what lynch would occur.

Counter point though. I really like Mulan and don't really wanna lynch her. Is that so bad? If we lynch Mulan, this game goes downward 73% in terms of enjoyment. Let me enjoy what little time we may have left <3[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Hey, if it helps your enjoyment and encourages you to take an earlier Marlwyn lynch into consideration we can quack back and forth if that makes you happy. QUACK

Originally Posted by S-FM Marck Wilbird

This is a good breakdown. Thank you for doing it, I will take it into consideration while I prepare myself mentally for what lynch would occur.

Counter point though. I really like Mulan and don't really wanna lynch her. Is that so bad? If we lynch Mulan, this game goes downward 73% in terms of enjoyment. Let me enjoy what little time we may have left <3

Hey, if it helps your enjoyment and encourages you to take an earlier Marlwyn lynch into consideration we can quack back and forth if that makes you happy. QUACK

Christ, listen. If you guys can't be convinced to agree on which one exactly of us is scum and you want to lynch every one of us and coroner check us until you have concrete evidence before you stop then be my guest. It does look like the setup allows for that to work. There could still be a Turncoat gone solo but the chance is low in my opinion and for them to kill Jan is probably even lower. In that scenario, think through which one of us 3 you should lynch first and second to get the evidence you need to be convinced of who is scum.


[B]Scenario of lynching and autopsying me, no frame job:[/B]
[QUOTE]You performed an autopsy on S-FM Lois Francklyn last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Sheriff, a [COLOR="#00FF00"]Town[/COLOR] (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Lembird Oshay and S-FM Marlwyn Janson; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].[/QUOTE]

[B]Conclusions[/B]:
1. Marlwyn is scum or
2. Marlwyn was framed and Quinne is scum.
So nothing concrete. In the scenario that I show as Brookmond I should still show as Sheriff so same conclusions, hopefully. Either way you'd still have to lynch another to be extra sure. I won't list the scenario that my role would show anything else because from my POV it wouldn't but for the sake of argument you'd know I'm scum as there's no Sheriff for mafia. And the second lynch is basically a 50/50. It's not unlikely that Marlwyn would be framed because I indicated my doubts about them D2. And I would not have visited Quinne because of the arguments I brought up on D2.



[B]Scenario of lynching and autopsying Marlwyn (town feedback, either framed or not):[/B]
[QUOTE]You performed an autopsy on S-FM Marlwyn Janson last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Navigator, a [COLOR="#00FF00"]Town[/COLOR]/[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Brookmond[/COLOR] (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Vladislow whatever and S-FM Fred Attlebish; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].[/QUOTE]
If Marlwyn is scum they'd probably show up as Mentalics Expert instead of Navigator and the assumption is that they didn't visit Vlad, that might still be a possibility though if they wanted to have a chat to talk during the day as scum mates. Either way, [B]Conclusions[/B]:
1. If Navigator then it's a town Architect. Probably indicates that Quinne is scum because if it shows Navigator and Brookmond then I told the truth. 200 IQ play if maf framed Marlwyn so that my claim would look legit. In that case lynch either me or Quinne to find out. Probably the most tedious way.
2. If Mentalics Expert then scum. Easy finish.
In this scenario I'd argue the second lynch if Marlwyn flips town to get scum is better than 50/50 for us. Why? Because if Marlwyn flips as framed Navigator then I more than likely told the truth because why would mafia waste a framing action on someone they wanted to accuse anyway of being scum? If I were scum I'd just lie and not have a teammate frame the night before as well. It's very improbable and wasteful. Thus Quinne lynch afterwards gets the scum.



[B]Scenario of lynching and autopsying Quinne (town feedback as well):[/B]
[QUOTE]You performed an autopsy on S-FM Quinne last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Sheriff, a [COLOR="#00FF00"]Town[/COLOR] (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Lois Francklyn and [unknown]; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].[/QUOTE]

[B]Conclusions[/B]:
1. Marlwyn is likely scum because Quinne's result was town on me.
2. I'm scum because I'm the Godfather.
If it doesn't show Sheriff as role then we got it obviously. But same scenario, probably takes atleast two lynches to get it right and even then the second lynch is still 50/50, more or less.




So if you all REALLY REALLY wanna lynch until you got the right person out of us 3 TPRs then you either start with me or with Marlwyn and my personal recommendation is Marlwyn for obvious reasons but also logical ones if you agree what the conclusions I drew.

[COLOR="#00FFFF"]TL;DR:[/COLOR] If you all want to lynch, do Marlwyn and go from there for the quickest result. Lynching me or Quinne has the highest chance of needing to lynch all 3 of us to get it right.



Btw, [MENTION=45444]S-FM Fred Attlebish[/MENTION]: Did Marlwyn reveal their identity themselves in the day-and-night chat? Or did you just assume due to the claim? I think that's an important distinction.

Christ, listen. If you guys can't be convinced to agree on which one exactly of us is scum and you want to lynch every one of us and coroner check us until you have concrete evidence before you stop then be my guest. It does look like the setup allows for that to work. There could still be a Turncoat gone solo but the chance is low in my opinion and for them to kill Jan is probably even lower. In that scenario, think through which one of us 3 you should lynch first and second to get the evidence you need to be convinced of who is scum.


Scenario of lynching and autopsying me, no frame job:

You performed an autopsy on S-FM Lois Francklyn last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Sheriff, a Town (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Lembird Oshay and S-FM Marlwyn Janson; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].

Conclusions:
1. Marlwyn is scum or
2. Marlwyn was framed and Quinne is scum.
So nothing concrete. In the scenario that I show as Brookmond I should still show as Sheriff so same conclusions, hopefully. Either way you'd still have to lynch another to be extra sure. I won't list the scenario that my role would show anything else because from my POV it wouldn't but for the sake of argument you'd know I'm scum as there's no Sheriff for mafia. And the second lynch is basically a 50/50. It's not unlikely that Marlwyn would be framed because I indicated my doubts about them D2. And I would not have visited Quinne because of the arguments I brought up on D2.



Scenario of lynching and autopsying Marlwyn (town feedback, either framed or not):

You performed an autopsy on S-FM Marlwyn Janson last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Navigator, a Town/Brookmond (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Vladislow whatever and S-FM Fred Attlebish; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].

If Marlwyn is scum they'd probably show up as Mentalics Expert instead of Navigator and the assumption is that they didn't visit Vlad, that might still be a possibility though if they wanted to have a chat to talk during the day as scum mates. Either way, Conclusions:
1. If Navigator then it's a town Architect. Probably indicates that Quinne is scum because if it shows Navigator and Brookmond then I told the truth. 200 IQ play if maf framed Marlwyn so that my claim would look legit. In that case lynch either me or Quinne to find out. Probably the most tedious way.
2. If Mentalics Expert then scum. Easy finish.
In this scenario I'd argue the second lynch if Marlwyn flips town to get scum is better than 50/50 for us. Why? Because if Marlwyn flips as framed Navigator then I more than likely told the truth because why would mafia waste a framing action on someone they wanted to accuse anyway of being scum? If I were scum I'd just lie and not have a teammate frame the night before as well. It's very improbable and wasteful. Thus Quinne lynch afterwards gets the scum.



Scenario of lynching and autopsying Quinne (town feedback as well):

You performed an autopsy on S-FM Quinne last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Sheriff, a Town (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Lois Francklyn and [unknown]; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].

Conclusions:
1. Marlwyn is likely scum because Quinne's result was town on me.
2. I'm scum because I'm the Godfather.
If it doesn't show Sheriff as role then we got it obviously. But same scenario, probably takes atleast two lynches to get it right and even then the second lynch is still 50/50, more or less.




So if you all REALLY REALLY wanna lynch until you got the right person out of us 3 TPRs then you either start with me or with Marlwyn and my personal recommendation is Marlwyn for obvious reasons but also logical ones if you agree what the conclusions I drew.

TL;DR: If you all want to lynch, do Marlwyn and go from there for the quickest result. Lynching me or Quinne has the highest chance of needing to lynch all 3 of us to get it right.



Btw, @S-FM Fred Attlebish : Did Marlwyn reveal their identity themselves in the day-and-night chat? Or did you just assume due to the claim? I think that's an important distinction.

I'm heading out for a bit, catch you all later. I'll be back before going to bed for sure.

I'm heading out for a bit, catch you all later. I'll be back before going to bed for sure.

[QUOTE=S-FM Fred Attlebish;874866]The 4th is not a possibility as he knows what happened in the night chat.[/QUOTE]

Ah right, I overlooked that part. Cheers.

[QUOTE=S-FM Marlwyn Janson;874864]I don’t think it's possible for either me or Lois to disprove eachother. Only way you will know I'm town now is ppost-game. From my perspective, one of the sheriffs is lying.[/QUOTE]

Of course there's no way to actually disprove eachother because we don't have flips to confirm anything. The only thing we actually have is our critical thinking to realize what seems likely and what seems unlikely. It's improbable for Vlad to disguise as me. It's somewhat probable for a framer in the game to frame you as you might make for a convincing target. It's probable for Quinne to be Sheriff after my D1 notes. It's probable for you to have teamed up with Vlad to lie about your night chat.

I don't know how everyone else sees it but I think there are very convincing arguments that you're actually a Scumitect.

Originally Posted by S-FM Fred Attlebish

The 4th is not a possibility as he knows what happened in the night chat.

Ah right, I overlooked that part. Cheers.

Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

I don’t think it's possible for either me or Lois to disprove eachother. Only way you will know I'm town now is ppost-game. From my perspective, one of the sheriffs is lying.

Of course there's no way to actually disprove eachother because we don't have flips to confirm anything. The only thing we actually have is our critical thinking to realize what seems likely and what seems unlikely. It's improbable for Vlad to disguise as me. It's somewhat probable for a framer in the game to frame you as you might make for a convincing target. It's probable for Quinne to be Sheriff after my D1 notes. It's probable for you to have teamed up with Vlad to lie about your night chat.

I don't know how everyone else sees it but I think there are very convincing arguments that you're actually a Scumitect.

[QUOTE=S-FM Marlwyn Janson;874857]Pay attention to the final two questions. Worldbuild where I'm scum and we have two Sheriffs okay?
[B]
If I'm scum, this implies that I used my night action to frame Lois as a Townie.[/B]

We could assume this because Quinne has stated so.

Why would I do this as scum and how could I anticipate Quinne checking Lois in order to get a green check anyway?[/QUOTE]

How does it imply this [B]at all[/B]??? If you are scum then Quinne and I are town. And Quinne checked me and found out I was town because [B]I am town[/B]. Your reasoning barely makes sense.

Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

Pay attention to the final two questions. Worldbuild where I'm scum and we have two Sheriffs okay?

If I'm scum, this implies that I used my night action to frame Lois as a Townie.

We could assume this because Quinne has stated so.

Why would I do this as scum and how could I anticipate Quinne checking Lois in order to get a green check anyway?

How does it imply this at all??? If you are scum then Quinne and I are town. And Quinne checked me and found out I was town because I am town. Your reasoning barely makes sense.

It's simple: N1 chat was a lie, N2 chat with Fred is real. You have used your framing ability on N1 and we don't know on who and on N2 you created an Architect chat to "confirm" your claim.

It's simple: N1 chat was a lie, N2 chat with Fred is real. You have used your framing ability on N1 and we don't know on who and on N2 you created an Architect chat to "confirm" your claim.

[QUOTE=S-FM Marlwyn Janson;874848]So you checked me, who you now know is confirmed to have had a chat with Fred. Meaning I could not have been Framing anyone.

I was in a chat with Vlad N1, who can now assume is Disguiser.

But from that, you would think I'm lying and the chat never happened, which is fair :: I must have been framing you to look Town on N1.

Because in some world, with my infinite wisdom, I knew that Quinne, would check you?

Why would I frame a townie to look townie?

:thinking:[/QUOTE]
Where the heck did I say that I was framed to look townie? Read again maybe or tell me what you mean but I have never said or believed that. Try again.

Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

So you checked me, who you now know is confirmed to have had a chat with Fred. Meaning I could not have been Framing anyone.

I was in a chat with Vlad N1, who can now assume is Disguiser.

But from that, you would think I'm lying and the chat never happened, which is fair :: I must have been framing you to look Town on N1.

Because in some world, with my infinite wisdom, I knew that Quinne, would check you?

Why would I frame a townie to look townie?

Where the heck did I say that I was framed to look townie? Read again maybe or tell me what you mean but I have never said or believed that. Try again.

[QUOTE=S-FM Fred Attlebish;874844]1 you can be mafia
2. Louis is now vlad
3 you where framed[/QUOTE]

Indeed, those are the rough possibilities. I will say that Vlad disguising as me is not super unlikely but my supposed "confirmed" town status due to the nature of the RQ was not 100% solid and considering I was in a three-way tie of getting lynched I am not sure I was the very best target for Vlad. Certainly a good one though.

Marlwyn being framed is a possiblity, however due to the fact that we haven't had two night chats at the same time it means that either there is just a Scumitect around or the Framer has used their framing ability twice in a row (or not at all). And I'd reckon it's a 50/50 flip from their POV on whether they'd frame Quinne or Marlwyn, my posts might have been hints. With the current information we have though I don't see why we should believe Marlwyn to not be scum and Quinne be scum.

Also a 4th possibility would be Vlad disuguising as Marlwyn but that's even more unlikely obviously.

Originally Posted by S-FM Fred Attlebish

1 you can be mafia
2. Louis is now vlad
3 you where framed

Indeed, those are the rough possibilities. I will say that Vlad disguising as me is not super unlikely but my supposed "confirmed" town status due to the nature of the RQ was not 100% solid and considering I was in a three-way tie of getting lynched I am not sure I was the very best target for Vlad. Certainly a good one though.

Marlwyn being framed is a possiblity, however due to the fact that we haven't had two night chats at the same time it means that either there is just a Scumitect around or the Framer has used their framing ability twice in a row (or not at all). And I'd reckon it's a 50/50 flip from their POV on whether they'd frame Quinne or Marlwyn, my posts might have been hints. With the current information we have though I don't see why we should believe Marlwyn to not be scum and Quinne be scum.

Also a 4th possibility would be Vlad disuguising as Marlwyn but that's even more unlikely obviously.

For more insight I've already made it clear in [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46962-S-FM-Magellan-(15p)?p=874539&viewfull=1#post874539"]#2712[/URL] that I was more suspicious of Marlwyn than of Quinne after the role claims.

For more insight I've already made it clear in #2712 that I was more suspicious of Marlwyn than of Quinne after the role claims.

[QUOTE=S-FM Marlwyn Janson;874841]Well, naturally I was framed or you're lying.

[MENTION=45438]S-FM Lois Francklyn[/MENTION] Why did you check me?[/QUOTE]

Obviously cause you were in a deadlock with Quinne and me. One of you has to be scum and I suspected you more strongly. According to my notes Quinne's D1 behaviour matches up with a Sheriff claim whereas with you and your Architect claim I had mixed feelings towards the end of D2. Now obviously Quinne might have crumbled their role really well but if I have to make an ISO of the relevant posts to show why Quinne's claim is more believable then so be it. Either way, you were high on my radar and resolving whether it's you or Quinne will bring useful information and of course get us one step closer to getting rid of scum.

Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

Well, naturally I was framed or you're lying.

@S-FM Lois Francklyn Why did you check me?

Obviously cause you were in a deadlock with Quinne and me. One of you has to be scum and I suspected you more strongly. According to my notes Quinne's D1 behaviour matches up with a Sheriff claim whereas with you and your Architect claim I had mixed feelings towards the end of D2. Now obviously Quinne might have crumbled their role really well but if I have to make an ISO of the relevant posts to show why Quinne's claim is more believable then so be it. Either way, you were high on my radar and resolving whether it's you or Quinne will bring useful information and of course get us one step closer to getting rid of scum.

Yo so I haven't read shit except for the fact that Vlad's. Let me announce my action and result:

I have checked S-FM Marlwyn Janson and they show up as "the [COLOR="#FFFF00"]Brookmond Alignment[/COLOR]", for whatever reason feedback wasn't the same as listed in the Feedback section from the setup.

[vote]S-FM Marlwyn Janson[/vote]

I'm not even gonna entertain the possibility that Marlwyn's alignment was changed. Occam's razor and all. Either Quinne is fake claiming or Marlwyn is and Quinne is a hundred times more believable.

Yo so I haven't read shit except for the fact that Vlad's. Let me announce my action and result:

I have checked S-FM Marlwyn Janson and they show up as "the Brookmond Alignment", for whatever reason feedback wasn't the same as listed in the Feedback section from the setup.

-vote S-FM Marlwyn Janson

I'm not even gonna entertain the possibility that Marlwyn's alignment was changed. Occam's razor and all. Either Quinne is fake claiming or Marlwyn is and Quinne is a hundred times more believable.

[QUOTE=S-FM Billigan Holbird;874575]I think I agree with you about Rotholfo. His play doesn't make sense if he's scum, even bad scum because it's highly unnatural, while it can make some sense if he's town playing the "low effort 'shitizen' " game.

As for the plan for the coroners... well, maybe you're right. After all, scum saw all of our reasonings, so it's not like they didn't have time to think about how to counter us. They could very well have a roleblocker, and that would screw our plan. The disguiser would also do that. So uh, do you think we should actually lynch between the coroners? I feel rather safe with lynching Vlad, and although it's a bit dirty, I don't see Jan reacting like he did as scum. That would go against the sportsmanship he seems to consider as very important, and it would not be coherent with his personality.

[B]Long story short, thoughts about actually lynching between the coroners (and probably picking Vlad to die)?[/B][/QUOTE]

Well, I think lynching either of them is obviously risky. The chance to hit the real coroner is 50/50 and the coroner is quite important to our available information pool. The interesting question to ask is this: If we lynch one of them, will we be able to prove anything? For example, we lynch the scum fake claimer, can the Coroner be roleblocked the following night to prevent his announcement? Would we wait another day to see if now the announcement will come through to prove their claim (since Consort RB is limited to one time)? What if the following night the coroner claim were killed? We wouldn't know if the coroner got killed by scum or if it was a Disguiser all along. We'd be losing a big information resource.

The way I see it lynching forces certain actions as consequence. Currently I'm not sure if the conclusions we can draw outweigh the potential loss of a coroner if we lynch one of them. I'd have to think it through more detailled. Not lynching might ensure the coroner staying alive for a while more. I think. Getting too tired right now to be honest.

Originally Posted by S-FM Billigan Holbird

I think I agree with you about Rotholfo. His play doesn't make sense if he's scum, even bad scum because it's highly unnatural, while it can make some sense if he's town playing the "low effort 'shitizen' " game.

As for the plan for the coroners... well, maybe you're right. After all, scum saw all of our reasonings, so it's not like they didn't have time to think about how to counter us. They could very well have a roleblocker, and that would screw our plan. The disguiser would also do that. So uh, do you think we should actually lynch between the coroners? I feel rather safe with lynching Vlad, and although it's a bit dirty, I don't see Jan reacting like he did as scum. That would go against the sportsmanship he seems to consider as very important, and it would not be coherent with his personality.

Long story short, thoughts about actually lynching between the coroners (and probably picking Vlad to die)?

Well, I think lynching either of them is obviously risky. The chance to hit the real coroner is 50/50 and the coroner is quite important to our available information pool. The interesting question to ask is this: If we lynch one of them, will we be able to prove anything? For example, we lynch the scum fake claimer, can the Coroner be roleblocked the following night to prevent his announcement? Would we wait another day to see if now the announcement will come through to prove their claim (since Consort RB is limited to one time)? What if the following night the coroner claim were killed? We wouldn't know if the coroner got killed by scum or if it was a Disguiser all along. We'd be losing a big information resource.

The way I see it lynching forces certain actions as consequence. Currently I'm not sure if the conclusions we can draw outweigh the potential loss of a coroner if we lynch one of them. I'd have to think it through more detailled. Not lynching might ensure the coroner staying alive for a while more. I think. Getting too tired right now to be honest.

[QUOTE=S-FM Bart Pilfter;874549]Interesting that people would think of Ensign/cit as a "lame" role.
I find it incredibly relaxing and 'freeing' to play.
You don't have any responsibilities to use any powers correctly.
You don't know any extra information that you have to worry about leaking out.
You are free to leap head-first into the joy of trying to solve the puzzle.
If people find you scummy then screw them, you know you're a cit.[/QUOTE]

Personally I'd agree that rolling into a Citizen slot is freeing in a way. We all know that there's a certain type of FM player though that loves to play roles that have an impact during the night. You could say that type of player is probably better suited towards Sc2Mafia Mod games rather than FM games but they'll still sign up regularly. It is what it is.

Originally Posted by S-FM Bart Pilfter

Interesting that people would think of Ensign/cit as a "lame" role.
I find it incredibly relaxing and 'freeing' to play.
You don't have any responsibilities to use any powers correctly.
You don't know any extra information that you have to worry about leaking out.
You are free to leap head-first into the joy of trying to solve the puzzle.
If people find you scummy then screw them, you know you're a cit.

Personally I'd agree that rolling into a Citizen slot is freeing in a way. We all know that there's a certain type of FM player though that loves to play roles that have an impact during the night. You could say that type of player is probably better suited towards Sc2Mafia Mod games rather than FM games but they'll still sign up regularly. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=S-FM Marck Wilbird;874543]If you have a better suggestion to resolve the coroners I am all ears.

[COLOR="#00FFFF"][B]I've also stated repeatedly that I would be okay with lynching another cit claim. I do believe Roflololo is probably a citizen.[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I'm simply worried that night actions might throw the current plan into chaos or falsify our conclusions but I do not have all the existing roles and their actions with OoO ingrained enough to see if we'll be 100% fine no matter what happens. It's just that nagging feeling that nothing ever works out as easily as it seems.

Regarding lynches.. tough. I'm not too sure about Goncales. It's not unusual for low-effort scum players to blend in as unassuming or uncaring citizens. I don't want to rule out Goncales but I'm trying to see the motivations of everyone that joined this train. Is it truly because everyone currently on Goncales believe him to be scum or isn't it because Goncales seemed like an easy person to lump their vote on? I'm not sure the votes would have piled on so quickly if Goncales truly were scum.. that might mean Goncales could also be a neutral role though. Unsure.

Originally Posted by S-FM Marck Wilbird

If you have a better suggestion to resolve the coroners I am all ears.

I've also stated repeatedly that I would be okay with lynching another cit claim. I do believe Roflololo is probably a citizen.

I'm simply worried that night actions might throw the current plan into chaos or falsify our conclusions but I do not have all the existing roles and their actions with OoO ingrained enough to see if we'll be 100% fine no matter what happens. It's just that nagging feeling that nothing ever works out as easily as it seems.

Regarding lynches.. tough. I'm not too sure about Goncales. It's not unusual for low-effort scum players to blend in as unassuming or uncaring citizens. I don't want to rule out Goncales but I'm trying to see the motivations of everyone that joined this train. Is it truly because everyone currently on Goncales believe him to be scum or isn't it because Goncales seemed like an easy person to lump their vote on? I'm not sure the votes would have piled on so quickly if Goncales truly were scum.. that might mean Goncales could also be a neutral role though. Unsure.

[QUOTE=S-FM Bart Pilfter;874523]I have never been great at math.

I think chances are we should still win by mechanics alone, however I can't stop these ill ease feelings hovering at the back of my mind.

How do we go now with a dead coroner that won't be flipped for us to see?
How will we deal with Vlad post this?
What if the Disguiser doesn't act tonight and acts later on in the game?
What if a framer intercedes with a Sheriff read and causes us to lynch another Townie?
What if a consort blocks a crucial action?
What if a kidnapper kills our vig?
What if there is a turncoat with a day-gun ready to screw everything up?
What if we're accepting somebody as confirmed town but somehow we screwed up our assessment?

These are all the thoughts going through my head right now.[/QUOTE]

This post is giving me strong town vibes.

Originally Posted by S-FM Bart Pilfter

I have never been great at math.

I think chances are we should still win by mechanics alone, however I can't stop these ill ease feelings hovering at the back of my mind.

How do we go now with a dead coroner that won't be flipped for us to see?
How will we deal with Vlad post this?
What if the Disguiser doesn't act tonight and acts later on in the game?
What if a framer intercedes with a Sheriff read and causes us to lynch another Townie?
What if a consort blocks a crucial action?
What if a kidnapper kills our vig?
What if there is a turncoat with a day-gun ready to screw everything up?
What if we're accepting somebody as confirmed town but somehow we screwed up our assessment?

These are all the thoughts going through my head right now.

This post is giving me strong town vibes.

You know, the only thing I can really offer after I've been reading here and there to catch up is.. Marlwyn sticks out like a scum Architect to me truth be told. It's either that or believing that Quinne is scum. Looking at motive and consistent behaviour so far though I'd be inclined to say that Quinne might actually legitimately be the second Sheriff. After all, would scum!Quinne have gone into night chat with his mafia teammates and hash out a plan that says to claim to have checked me, say the result is "Town" and then still place the vote on me?

I've liked Marlwyn's contributions from D1 to start of D2 but I'm starting to lose faith.


On the Goncales matter.. yeah, that slot is being played pretty rubbishly. Is that play indiciative of scum alignment though? Feels like a typical bad!Cit slot with the uncaring way of playing when the average player finds out they landed a "lame" role. I'm not really opposed to the lynch overall but are we going into this lynch thinking Goncales is scum or isn't it rather a mindset of "good riddance"?

The plan of "let's wait and see" regarding Korvin vs Vlad seems a bit.. I don't know.. thoughtless? I get the idea, I'm just wondering if we aren't disregarding night actions too much in interfering with the proposed plan. And when did a quickly thought of plan ever go down as planned? Need to take a closer look at all the possibilities of what could happen at night, especially regarding scum role actions and in what ways they could interfere. Personally I don't feel very safe in that area.

You know, the only thing I can really offer after I've been reading here and there to catch up is.. Marlwyn sticks out like a scum Architect to me truth be told. It's either that or believing that Quinne is scum. Looking at motive and consistent behaviour so far though I'd be inclined to say that Quinne might actually legitimately be the second Sheriff. After all, would scum!Quinne have gone into night chat with his mafia teammates and hash out a plan that says to claim to have checked me, say the result is "Town" and then still place the vote on me?

I've liked Marlwyn's contributions from D1 to start of D2 but I'm starting to lose faith.


On the Goncales matter.. yeah, that slot is being played pretty rubbishly. Is that play indiciative of scum alignment though? Feels like a typical bad!Cit slot with the uncaring way of playing when the average player finds out they landed a "lame" role. I'm not really opposed to the lynch overall but are we going into this lynch thinking Goncales is scum or isn't it rather a mindset of "good riddance"?

The plan of "let's wait and see" regarding Korvin vs Vlad seems a bit.. I don't know.. thoughtless? I get the idea, I'm just wondering if we aren't disregarding night actions too much in interfering with the proposed plan. And when did a quickly thought of plan ever go down as planned? Need to take a closer look at all the possibilities of what could happen at night, especially regarding scum role actions and in what ways they could interfere. Personally I don't feel very safe in that area.

Okay folks, I'm getting visitors in a bit but I'll try to make my current position short:

Obviously we should pressure everyone to hard claim a role. At this point there's no way around it. Apart from that, currently I think Goncales and Holbird are definitely two people to take a closer look at. Getting scum vibes in ways that I don't have the time right now to elaborate. With Goncales I don't think I need to explain right now anyway and I fully back that current train and regarding Holbird I'll probably post a more in-depth read. Besides that I'm really curious about the interactions of Korvin vs Bart vs Vlad. Bart's interactions with those two stood out to me in peculiar ways.. anyone else? My intention is to definitely reread on that during the next night at the very latest, hopefully earlier.

Those are my current points of interest. Laters!

Okay folks, I'm getting visitors in a bit but I'll try to make my current position short:

Obviously we should pressure everyone to hard claim a role. At this point there's no way around it. Apart from that, currently I think Goncales and Holbird are definitely two people to take a closer look at. Getting scum vibes in ways that I don't have the time right now to elaborate. With Goncales I don't think I need to explain right now anyway and I fully back that current train and regarding Holbird I'll probably post a more in-depth read. Besides that I'm really curious about the interactions of Korvin vs Bart vs Vlad. Bart's interactions with those two stood out to me in peculiar ways.. anyone else? My intention is to definitely reread on that during the next night at the very latest, hopefully earlier.

Those are my current points of interest. Laters!

I'll be out and about for a while, checking back in a couple of hours I think.

I'll be out and about for a while, checking back in a couple of hours I think.

[QUOTE=S-FM Marck Wilbird;873928][COLOR="#00FFFF"][B]I see new-Nick reading the setup

What are you looking for new-Nick? SQUAWK[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Checking for possible scum roles. For example making sure that there's no scum Coroner possible and also nothing like a janitor. Closest thing I found is the Architect who is also a Framer and can either make a chat or change someone's investigative alignment. Was wondering if Jiles' alignment could already have been altered but if the Architect we have is a scum one then that result will have been unaltered. If we have a town Architect however that'd not rule out Jiles actually being scum. More likely to me is that the Architect is scum currently.

Originally Posted by S-FM Marck Wilbird

I see new-Nick reading the setup

What are you looking for new-Nick? SQUAWK

Checking for possible scum roles. For example making sure that there's no scum Coroner possible and also nothing like a janitor. Closest thing I found is the Architect who is also a Framer and can either make a chat or change someone's investigative alignment. Was wondering if Jiles' alignment could already have been altered but if the Architect we have is a scum one then that result will have been unaltered. If we have a town Architect however that'd not rule out Jiles actually being scum. More likely to me is that the Architect is scum currently.

On the Vlad vs Korvin matter:
Purely on my notes Korvin would be the more suspicious player simply because over my D1 readings I put down a few questionable points about his experience or claimed inexperience as a player. The question we have to ask ourselves is if Korvin acts and says things that are in line with his inexperience or if his inexperience is too over the top to be a true newer FM player. However the problem is that we won't be able to get a clear conclusion from this.

My general thoughts on that topic kinda lie in the direction that as a Sc2Mafia mod player he is all too clear about the mechanics of claiming and counter claiming but he is not clear on what to say or how to say things in a forum mafia game. This speaks to his inexperience. When prompted to name his top 3 mafia reads he was basically unable to give anything concrete. He has regularly shown behaviour of fence sitting throughout D1 and especially his first 10 posts or so scream of an insecurity in how to act as if he wasn't very sure of himself. But then he also makes posts like #731 where he's hypothetically arguing in defense of someone like Lois with arguments that are frankly a bit weird. If I didn't replace into Lois' slot I'd have said that Korvin is a new scum player trying to defend his teammate Lois. I wish it were that easy though.

Vladislow on the other hand I can't quite figure out but there was a standoff-ish stance of Lois on the whole Jiles vs Lois debate which I could relate to or see the argument of. Old Lois was a guy who stuck to his principles and ideals because he holds his own opinions in very high esteem. This rubbed a lot of people the wrong way thus clouding judgement of everyone's opinion on Lois. When I read Lois vs Jiles I thought that the argument Lois stuck to was the wrong one to make after a long while but Jiles would have still been very high on my lynch list because the way Jiles played out the exchanged seemed indicative of scum behaviour from my POV. Either way, after old Lois' ragequit and claimed Sheriff Vlad did put him high on his reads list simple due to the nature of the claim if I had to name a reason why. This seems consistent from a town POV.

Kinda rambled on a few lines on each of the players in the 1v1 with the conclusion that I don't have a clear conclusion. Who woulda thunk. If I had to lean one way though, and this is what I indicated before I went to bed earlier on this D2, it'd be that Vlad is more trustworthy. A bit.

On the Vlad vs Korvin matter:
Purely on my notes Korvin would be the more suspicious player simply because over my D1 readings I put down a few questionable points about his experience or claimed inexperience as a player. The question we have to ask ourselves is if Korvin acts and says things that are in line with his inexperience or if his inexperience is too over the top to be a true newer FM player. However the problem is that we won't be able to get a clear conclusion from this.

My general thoughts on that topic kinda lie in the direction that as a Sc2Mafia mod player he is all too clear about the mechanics of claiming and counter claiming but he is not clear on what to say or how to say things in a forum mafia game. This speaks to his inexperience. When prompted to name his top 3 mafia reads he was basically unable to give anything concrete. He has regularly shown behaviour of fence sitting throughout D1 and especially his first 10 posts or so scream of an insecurity in how to act as if he wasn't very sure of himself. But then he also makes posts like #731 where he's hypothetically arguing in defense of someone like Lois with arguments that are frankly a bit weird. If I didn't replace into Lois' slot I'd have said that Korvin is a new scum player trying to defend his teammate Lois. I wish it were that easy though.

Vladislow on the other hand I can't quite figure out but there was a standoff-ish stance of Lois on the whole Jiles vs Lois debate which I could relate to or see the argument of. Old Lois was a guy who stuck to his principles and ideals because he holds his own opinions in very high esteem. This rubbed a lot of people the wrong way thus clouding judgement of everyone's opinion on Lois. When I read Lois vs Jiles I thought that the argument Lois stuck to was the wrong one to make after a long while but Jiles would have still been very high on my lynch list because the way Jiles played out the exchanged seemed indicative of scum behaviour from my POV. Either way, after old Lois' ragequit and claimed Sheriff Vlad did put him high on his reads list simple due to the nature of the claim if I had to name a reason why. This seems consistent from a town POV.

Kinda rambled on a few lines on each of the players in the 1v1 with the conclusion that I don't have a clear conclusion. Who woulda thunk. If I had to lean one way though, and this is what I indicated before I went to bed earlier on this D2, it'd be that Vlad is more trustworthy. A bit.

Well currently if I'm seeing the claims right it's not impossible for there to be two Sheriffs.. but then the Architect has to be a scum one.

Well currently if I'm seeing the claims right it's not impossible for there to be two Sheriffs.. but then the Architect has to be a scum one.

[QUOTE=S-FM Quinne;873898][COLOR="#DAA520"]Ok game is broken and we are already half way there to finish it.

Step 1)All TPR roles are to claim
Step 2)If there are ANY counter claims. Both slots are too be lynched.

Reason: We either get a confirmed un-counterable town or take out 1 mafia for the cost of a town. Only risk is Disguiser. But since this is a heavily active game with strong personalities. It's practically impossible to hide. Especially IF WE ALL MAKE DISGUISER CODES.
[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#EE82EE"]So. To end this game. Follow my lead.
I am [COLOR="#00FF00"]Sheriff[/COLOR].
I checked [MENTION=45438]S-FM Lois Francklyn[/MENTION]
Their alignment is [COLOR="#00FF00"]Town[/COLOR]
At this point. I am asking you. Are you going to stick too your roleclaim?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Yeah, actually. I think it's telling that you stuck your vote on me despite checking me and seeing that I'm town. Or that you went to check me at all considering your claim would CC mine if it ever came to narrowing down the roles in the game. Waste of a night action. What speaks in your favour according to my notes is that you seemed persistent in wanting to discuss whether the Sheriff claim made by my predecessor is true or not, which initially I thought was kind of suspicious and Goncales called out that behaviour as well. You kept being suspicious of my slot and warned others of me not being confirmed. But seeing as you claim Sheriff it actually all makes sense in a way (except for your night action going to me but I won't fault you for that). Either that.. or you decided to CC my slot right then and there and you're actually scum. And I can't throw out that possibility. Adding to that impression is you say my alignment is [COLOR="#00FF00"]Town [/COLOR] but the feedback I get from Sheriff checks says [COLOR="#00FF00"]Loyal[/COLOR]. I don't claim that this is an outright slip but I feel like this takes credibility away from it.. or maybe that's just me and my weird brain.

Funnily enough, before D2 started I was considering to retract my predecessor's claim of being Sheriff on the grounds that I wanted to avoid being roleblocked or even outright killed and thus fly more under my radar. But with the massclaim going on I'll tell you who I checked: [MENTION=45443]S-FM Lembird Oshay[/MENTION]. His alignment turned up as [COLOR="#00FF00"]Loyal[/COLOR]. Reason I checked him is because I felt that there were slight inconsistencies from the conclusions he draws from his own arguments. First half of the day Lembird had a very defeatist attitude about not being able to vote and being unable to put pressure on anyone. And later on in the Jiles vs Lois argument that player continued to make posts that I felt were not offering a consistent narrative with conclusions that were coming from a place of logic. Since I was only around 15-20 pages into reading up on D1 and since I knew that Lembird hammered Jiles (even though they still claim that they would've lynched Lois more than Jiles so why not refrain from hammering?) I felt this warranted a check-up. I'm a little surprised that they turned up Loyal to be honest, but I'm fine with considering this slot to be an emotional player caught up in their view of what kind of guy old Lois was.

Originally Posted by S-FM Quinne

Ok game is broken and we are already half way there to finish it.

Step 1)All TPR roles are to claim
Step 2)If there are ANY counter claims. Both slots are too be lynched.

Reason: We either get a confirmed un-counterable town or take out 1 mafia for the cost of a town. Only risk is Disguiser. But since this is a heavily active game with strong personalities. It's practically impossible to hide. Especially IF WE ALL MAKE DISGUISER CODES.


So. To end this game. Follow my lead.
I am Sheriff.
I checked @S-FM Lois Francklyn
Their alignment is Town
At this point. I am asking you. Are you going to stick too your roleclaim?

Yeah, actually. I think it's telling that you stuck your vote on me despite checking me and seeing that I'm town. Or that you went to check me at all considering your claim would CC mine if it ever came to narrowing down the roles in the game. Waste of a night action. What speaks in your favour according to my notes is that you seemed persistent in wanting to discuss whether the Sheriff claim made by my predecessor is true or not, which initially I thought was kind of suspicious and Goncales called out that behaviour as well. You kept being suspicious of my slot and warned others of me not being confirmed. But seeing as you claim Sheriff it actually all makes sense in a way (except for your night action going to me but I won't fault you for that). Either that.. or you decided to CC my slot right then and there and you're actually scum. And I can't throw out that possibility. Adding to that impression is you say my alignment is Town but the feedback I get from Sheriff checks says Loyal. I don't claim that this is an outright slip but I feel like this takes credibility away from it.. or maybe that's just me and my weird brain.

Funnily enough, before D2 started I was considering to retract my predecessor's claim of being Sheriff on the grounds that I wanted to avoid being roleblocked or even outright killed and thus fly more under my radar. But with the massclaim going on I'll tell you who I checked: @S-FM Lembird Oshay . His alignment turned up as Loyal. Reason I checked him is because I felt that there were slight inconsistencies from the conclusions he draws from his own arguments. First half of the day Lembird had a very defeatist attitude about not being able to vote and being unable to put pressure on anyone. And later on in the Jiles vs Lois argument that player continued to make posts that I felt were not offering a consistent narrative with conclusions that were coming from a place of logic. Since I was only around 15-20 pages into reading up on D1 and since I knew that Lembird hammered Jiles (even though they still claim that they would've lynched Lois more than Jiles so why not refrain from hammering?) I felt this warranted a check-up. I'm a little surprised that they turned up Loyal to be honest, but I'm fine with considering this slot to be an emotional player caught up in their view of what kind of guy old Lois was.

[QUOTE=S-FM Vladislow Kennt;873440]This is a lie.

Hard counter claim. Jesus christ why are scum acting this way when we have so much freaking time.

I am the coroner. I've also been in touch with an architect, whom I now believe to be town. Between me, archi, and sherr (if Lois is to be believed) GG.

Look past the Jan double talk. He waffles more than the waffle house.

I did NOT expect to have to come out so early, but here we are.

[vote]S-FM Jan Korvin[/vote]

One of us has to go clearly.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I was just about to make a post that my previous analysis could also be wrong if Korvin's plan was to setup a coroner claim all along and simply used Bart's post to crumb.. currently if it's Vladislow vs Korver I'd probably have more faith in Vladislow. I will not place my vote on Korver though because I'm going to bed. Keep me in mind on Korver though, thanks.

Originally Posted by S-FM Vladislow Kennt

This is a lie.

Hard counter claim. Jesus christ why are scum acting this way when we have so much freaking time.

I am the coroner. I've also been in touch with an architect, whom I now believe to be town. Between me, archi, and sherr (if Lois is to be believed) GG.

Look past the Jan double talk. He waffles more than the waffle house.

I did NOT expect to have to come out so early, but here we are.

-vote S-FM Jan Korvin

One of us has to go clearly.

Okay, I was just about to make a post that my previous analysis could also be wrong if Korvin's plan was to setup a coroner claim all along and simply used Bart's post to crumb.. currently if it's Vladislow vs Korver I'd probably have more faith in Vladislow. I will not place my vote on Korver though because I'm going to bed. Keep me in mind on Korver though, thanks.

You know, I had half a mind to vote and put pressure on Korvin before D2 postings began, but I do think that Korver's behaviour fit the claim very well (disregarding setup mechanics for a second here) when looking at [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46962-S-FM-Magellan-(15p)?p=872379&viewfull=1#post872379"]#631[/URL] where Korvin seems to respond quite attentively to Bart bringing up the Coroner. Since the Brookmonds share a night chat (and not a day chat) they could not have coordinated this exchange beforehand.

You know, I had half a mind to vote and put pressure on Korvin before D2 postings began, but I do think that Korver's behaviour fit the claim very well (disregarding setup mechanics for a second here) when looking at #631 where Korvin seems to respond quite attentively to Bart bringing up the Coroner. Since the Brookmonds share a night chat (and not a day chat) they could not have coordinated this exchange beforehand.

[QUOTE=S-FM Bart Pilfter;873325]I agree with the idea that behaviour in the later half of the day (particularly D0/1) should weigh more heavily than behaviour in the former half of the day, however I was able to be around more in the first half of the day than the second and when I was trying to get something useful done earlier on, Marlwyn was actively derailing me. That impression really stuck with me.[/QUOTE]

Well that's interesting. (Had to say that, RIP Lois Francklyn Sr.)

Personally I don't agree with your read on Marlwyn for example, but I do believe that if you have really taken "offense" (if I may phrase it as that) to the things Marlwyn has said or done to you, that it'd impair your readings of their posts in a way to make you read them as scum. My personal conclusion on that one as I had a rather town lean on their posts in the first half of the day.

Originally Posted by S-FM Bart Pilfter

I agree with the idea that behaviour in the later half of the day (particularly D0/1) should weigh more heavily than behaviour in the former half of the day, however I was able to be around more in the first half of the day than the second and when I was trying to get something useful done earlier on, Marlwyn was actively derailing me. That impression really stuck with me.

Well that's interesting. (Had to say that, RIP Lois Francklyn Sr.)

Personally I don't agree with your read on Marlwyn for example, but I do believe that if you have really taken "offense" (if I may phrase it as that) to the things Marlwyn has said or done to you, that it'd impair your readings of their posts in a way to make you read them as scum. My personal conclusion on that one as I had a rather town lean on their posts in the first half of the day.

[QUOTE=S-FM Bart Pilfter;873293]1. Not condemning Gon for jumping immediately into the game, condemning him for admitting he wouldn't read the previous day chat for reasons that I listed in my reads.
2. Mulan slightly improved his content:fluff ratio as Day progressed but there was still endless streams of snide remarks, one liners, and fluff.[/QUOTE]

1. Fair enough.

2. That may be true, I cannot confirm or deny, however, would you say that behaviour towards the latter half of the day should weigh more heavily into reads than behaviour displayed in the former half? Assuming that these endless streams you claim Marlwyn showed appeared more towards the end of the day..

Originally Posted by S-FM Bart Pilfter

1. Not condemning Gon for jumping immediately into the game, condemning him for admitting he wouldn't read the previous day chat for reasons that I listed in my reads.
2. Mulan slightly improved his content:fluff ratio as Day progressed but there was still endless streams of snide remarks, one liners, and fluff.

1. Fair enough.

2. That may be true, I cannot confirm or deny, however, would you say that behaviour towards the latter half of the day should weigh more heavily into reads than behaviour displayed in the former half? Assuming that these endless streams you claim Marlwyn showed appeared more towards the end of the day..

Okay so I have not been able to completely read D1 due to the amount of posts, I'm nearly there.. but I really wanna jump in and ask you, Bart, about your reads here:

1. Why are you condemning Goncales so much for jumping immediately into the current stage of the game? Would you rather he stay AFK until he has caught up with everything?

2. Do you really not see any worth at all in the posts that Mulan has made this game? The amount is a bit high for sure, but still.. I haven't read it all but I'm through 20 of 30 pages and there's definitely some stuff there.. would love a bit more elaboration.

Okay so I have not been able to completely read D1 due to the amount of posts, I'm nearly there.. but I really wanna jump in and ask you, Bart, about your reads here:

1. Why are you condemning Goncales so much for jumping immediately into the current stage of the game? Would you rather he stay AFK until he has caught up with everything?

2. Do you really not see any worth at all in the posts that Mulan has made this game? The amount is a bit high for sure, but still.. I haven't read it all but I'm through 20 of 30 pages and there's definitely some stuff there.. would love a bit more elaboration.

I have adjusted my profile pic as that seemed to be an urgent task, I hope it is appropriate and to your liking. Apparently my predecessor has had a turbulent game, I will make sure to read it all in due time.

I have adjusted my profile pic as that seemed to be an urgent task, I hope it is appropriate and to your liking. Apparently my predecessor has had a turbulent game, I will make sure to read it all in due time.

Saying hello to signal that I'm here, my D1 activity might not be very meaningful since I need to catch up and due to extenuating circumstances. Let it be known that I will increase my activity in the days forward however.

Saying hello to signal that I'm here, my D1 activity might not be very meaningful since I need to catch up and due to extenuating circumstances. Let it be known that I will increase my activity in the days forward however.

[QUOTE=S-FM Vladislow Kennt;872475]Do we even know if Lois actually checked out of the game? Will we know if a player slot is replaced? Or was the "bye" stuff all another ruse?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I really am leaving. But I don't want to tank Town by leaving. I just think this community isn't a match for me. I prefer discussing the merit of ideas and viewpoints, not calling players names. That's me though, I'm sure you can enjoy yourselves doing whatever that is.

So, again, not wanting to tank my team considering it's flipless: I'm Town Sheriff.

I'm positive you guys can have fun, even if that means never improving level of play. Really, have fun, thats what matters. Cheers!

Originally Posted by S-FM Vladislow Kennt

Do we even know if Lois actually checked out of the game? Will we know if a player slot is replaced? Or was the "bye" stuff all another ruse?

Yes, I really am leaving. But I don't want to tank Town by leaving. I just think this community isn't a match for me. I prefer discussing the merit of ideas and viewpoints, not calling players names. That's me though, I'm sure you can enjoy yourselves doing whatever that is.

So, again, not wanting to tank my team considering it's flipless: I'm Town Sheriff.

I'm positive you guys can have fun, even if that means never improving level of play. Really, have fun, thats what matters. Cheers!

[QUOTE=S-FM Marck Wilbird;872427][B][COLOR="#00FFFF"]Maybe stop being a twat?[/COLOR][/b][/QUOTE]

Personal insults just doesn't do it for me in a game if Mafia. You can engage with me on my play, disagree with it, think the play is batshit terrible, but the line is at personal insults.

I'm not going to waste my time dealing with that stuff. Enjoy!!

Originally Posted by S-FM Marck Wilbird

Maybe stop being a twat?

Personal insults just doesn't do it for me in a game if Mafia. You can engage with me on my play, disagree with it, think the play is batshit terrible, but the line is at personal insults.

I'm not going to waste my time dealing with that stuff. Enjoy!!

[QUOTE=S-FM Lembird Oshay;872389]i found where i left off
[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46962-S-FM-Magellan-(15p)?p=872048&viewfull=1#post872048[/url]

im going to be catching up in the next few hours.

if we're voting lois i'm fine with that, [SIZE=7]guy's a twat[/SIZE]
let me see if he posted anything else ai or if he's still playing the executioner card[/QUOTE]

And for this reason, I'm out. Have fun everyone else!

Originally Posted by S-FM Lembird Oshay

i found where i left off
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post872048

im going to be catching up in the next few hours.

if we're voting lois i'm fine with that, guy's a twat
let me see if he posted anything else ai or if he's still playing the executioner card

And for this reason, I'm out. Have fun everyone else!

When does this day even end?

Caught a Mafia on Night Zero.

I'm on another level gang

I dont even care much about the rest of the game to be honest, I'm on a high after that lol

Let's see if you dudes are good enough to recognize that I'm Town and 100% correct about Jiles

When does this day even end?

Caught a Mafia on Night Zero.

I'm on another level gang

I dont even care much about the rest of the game to be honest, I'm on a high after that lol

Let's see if you dudes are good enough to recognize that I'm Town and 100% correct about Jiles

[QUOTE=S-FM Billigan Holbird;872366][COLOR="#FF0000"]Wait a minute...[/COLOR] you're still holding the "Jiles is confirmed scum" point of view that nobody but yourself understands, and say you'll avoid talking about him? I was debating internally about removing my vote from you, but no, scratch that lol, I'm at the very least keeping the pressure on you until an answer comes out of it.[/QUOTE]

I mean yeah, do whatever you want. That's just a reflection on you. I know my read is on another level and I understand many players won't want to accept it, but it is correct. In post game we can laugh about it and I'll accept your praises. I'm just too good it hurts sometimes.

Originally Posted by S-FM Billigan Holbird

Wait a minute... you're still holding the "Jiles is confirmed scum" point of view that nobody but yourself understands, and say you'll avoid talking about him? I was debating internally about removing my vote from you, but no, scratch that lol, I'm at the very least keeping the pressure on you until an answer comes out of it.

I mean yeah, do whatever you want. That's just a reflection on you. I know my read is on another level and I understand many players won't want to accept it, but it is correct. In post game we can laugh about it and I'll accept your praises. I'm just too good it hurts sometimes.

[QUOTE=S-FM Billigan Holbird;872331]Actually, with a cooler head, I think Lois' stuff is too weird and too scummy to be scum... Pushing the "interesting" to the point of "confirmed scum" really sucks, and most people will acknowledge that, so I don't think he wants to pull a mislynch from it, because noone will be convinced by that and he knows it. His super obvious avoid-the-question game around Jiles and me also makes no sense if he wants to convince anyone. So, uh, the conclusion is that he's town with a weird strategy, because it would be too bad to be real as scum? Uh. I don't know anymore.
Quaaaack...[/QUOTE]

Hi sorry, I'm back, just reading in reverse. Not a bad take to be honest. I know it's weird and lame and it feels like catching a Mafia for the wrong reasons so its dirty and unfun, but Im playing with all the tools in my toolbox. I'm very very very positive it's right as well.

I'll try to just avoid talking about Jiles from here on out to focus on getting a good town core group together

As for avoiding questions, I'm finally home and can computer post

I think I made a post making it very clear that I wouldn't be able to get my full reads list until later today?

Did you miss that? And di you miss Jiles trying to Zing me by asking me for my reads right after I said I couldn't do it right now?

Originally Posted by S-FM Billigan Holbird

Actually, with a cooler head, I think Lois' stuff is too weird and too scummy to be scum... Pushing the "interesting" to the point of "confirmed scum" really sucks, and most people will acknowledge that, so I don't think he wants to pull a mislynch from it, because noone will be convinced by that and he knows it. His super obvious avoid-the-question game around Jiles and me also makes no sense if he wants to convince anyone. So, uh, the conclusion is that he's town with a weird strategy, because it would be too bad to be real as scum? Uh. I don't know anymore.
Quaaaack...

Hi sorry, I'm back, just reading in reverse. Not a bad take to be honest. I know it's weird and lame and it feels like catching a Mafia for the wrong reasons so its dirty and unfun, but Im playing with all the tools in my toolbox. I'm very very very positive it's right as well.

I'll try to just avoid talking about Jiles from here on out to focus on getting a good town core group together

As for avoiding questions, I'm finally home and can computer post

I think I made a post making it very clear that I wouldn't be able to get my full reads list until later today?

Did you miss that? And di you miss Jiles trying to Zing me by asking me for my reads right after I said I couldn't do it right now?

[QUOTE=S-FM Billigan Holbird;872315][SPOILER=A lot of blabla that doesn't answer my and green worm's question][/SPOILER]

"your play is 5-8 on 100" is pretty much "bahaha you're bad at game" lol, if that's not what you meant it was very poorly worded, since it's rather unambiguous...

But since it's not so useful to repeat myself over the meaning of words and expressions, I'll just repeat myself on the actually important point you have not addressed despite it being in size 4 teal. And I will make sure it is visible, so that you cannot miss it.


[SIZE=7][FONT=System][class=light]What are your reads, and why are they the way they are? Give them all and explain them.[/class][/FONT][/SIZE]


If your reply to this post does not contain your reads and explainations related to them, my vote will remain on you and I will make sure you get lynched today. And whether your blood is green or red, it will be washed from our hands by your silence.

Amen.[/QUOTE]

I'm phone posting give me a moment dude. If it isn't clear I put thiught into my replies and with the diverse array of interactions, your expectations are immature and selfish.

Originally Posted by S-FM Billigan Holbird

"your play is 5-8 on 100" is pretty much "bahaha you're bad at game" lol, if that's not what you meant it was very poorly worded, since it's rather unambiguous...

But since it's not so useful to repeat myself over the meaning of words and expressions, I'll just repeat myself on the actually important point you have not addressed despite it being in size 4 teal. And I will make sure it is visible, so that you cannot miss it.


What are your reads, and why are they the way they are? Give them all and explain them.


If your reply to this post does not contain your reads and explainations related to them, my vote will remain on you and I will make sure you get lynched today. And whether your blood is green or red, it will be washed from our hands by your silence.

Amen.

I'm phone posting give me a moment dude. If it isn't clear I put thiught into my replies and with the diverse array of interactions, your expectations are immature and selfish.

[QUOTE=S-FM Arnarld Quinne;872297][COLOR="#DAA520"]You seem to be antagonizing. Seemingly on purpose.
You don't mention the coroner but focus on yourself. Do I think your not town? You're leaning that direction.

Do I think Jiles is not mafia? I don't have much of an indication yet. But they lean more town.

I may be Paranoid. What concern is it too you?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

right, I can definitely see how you see me as antagonizing. I'm playing in a manner with Jiles that by all means is that way. Its probably in poor form because, although I'm certain they are Mafia, I should treat them with respect and ddcency as a person I n behind the account. But my intention isn't to be seen as knee antagonizing another, that was definitely a mistake on my part. Please understamd my position, I am positive they are Mafia, I am not looking for reactions, I am not even really looking for credit. I just need everyone to understand that sooner or later, in order to win, we will have to vote out or eliminate Jiles. Its just that simple.

I don't think I would ever talk about the coroner. Ever. I don't agree with talking about power roles or hyoithesizing what they should do, or think etc. It only risks exposure, especially this early. Does that make sense?

Also its interesting that you would have me leaning not Town. I feel like I singlehandedly brought the state of play out of the gutter and my back is so tired from all that carrying now. Further, I think it's pretty rotten to suspect players who have brought the most to the game. It doesn't make logical sense and it doesn't feel right? I'm not sure how to ohrase it, but its the opposite of a mind meld. Still, its good to know. Frankly, I doubt you'd have the guts to doubt me as Mafia so I still think you're Town oddly, however wrkng.

I think eventually you're going to have rework your Jiles read, but thats more of a reflection on you.

About paranoia, it concerns me in that Im trying to understand your behavior in order to solve you. I think paranoia can be Towny if its done in a certain way, its hard for Mafia to fake. You being paranoid would explain why your reads feel like they're coming from the upside down world and I could figure out where you're coming from.

Your last questions reads a bit cagey? Do you not want me trying to understand you?

Originally Posted by S-FM Arnarld Quinne

You seem to be antagonizing. Seemingly on purpose.
You don't mention the coroner but focus on yourself. Do I think your not town? You're leaning that direction.

Do I think Jiles is not mafia? I don't have much of an indication yet. But they lean more town.

I may be Paranoid. What concern is it too you?

right, I can definitely see how you see me as antagonizing. I'm playing in a manner with Jiles that by all means is that way. Its probably in poor form because, although I'm certain they are Mafia, I should treat them with respect and ddcency as a person I n behind the account. But my intention isn't to be seen as knee antagonizing another, that was definitely a mistake on my part. Please understamd my position, I am positive they are Mafia, I am not looking for reactions, I am not even really looking for credit. I just need everyone to understand that sooner or later, in order to win, we will have to vote out or eliminate Jiles. Its just that simple.

I don't think I would ever talk about the coroner. Ever. I don't agree with talking about power roles or hyoithesizing what they should do, or think etc. It only risks exposure, especially this early. Does that make sense?

Also its interesting that you would have me leaning not Town. I feel like I singlehandedly brought the state of play out of the gutter and my back is so tired from all that carrying now. Further, I think it's pretty rotten to suspect players who have brought the most to the game. It doesn't make logical sense and it doesn't feel right? I'm not sure how to ohrase it, but its the opposite of a mind meld. Still, its good to know. Frankly, I doubt you'd have the guts to doubt me as Mafia so I still think you're Town oddly, however wrkng.

I think eventually you're going to have rework your Jiles read, but thats more of a reflection on you.

About paranoia, it concerns me in that Im trying to understand your behavior in order to solve you. I think paranoia can be Towny if its done in a certain way, its hard for Mafia to fake. You being paranoid would explain why your reads feel like they're coming from the upside down world and I could figure out where you're coming from.

Your last questions reads a bit cagey? Do you not want me trying to understand you?

[QUOTE=S-FM Billigan Holbird;872289]Lol sorry for being unclear there.

Regarding "aggressive", if we're playing Sc2 and I say that you putting constant pressure on the enemy with zerglings early on is an aggressive strategy, will you say I'm taunting you...? The same goes here: we're talking about a game, and I'm saying your playstyle is aggressive, and stand by it.

[B][U][I][COLOR="#A52A2A"]I THINK IT WAS RATHER CLEAR I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR "CONFIRMED SCUM" READ ON JILES. IS IT CLEAR NOW? DO YOU NEED QUOTES OF ME ASKING ABOUT IT?[/COLOR][/I][/U][/B]

"You don't realize you're playing in bad faith" lol that is inherently wrong, doing something in bad faith implies you're doing it intentionally. [URL="https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+bad+faith"]https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+bad+faith[/URL]
Stop discrediting me and quite literally calling me a bad player for disagreeing with you.
My style hasn't been amazing here either? Sorry not sorry, but I'm not the one who doesn't explain a "CONFIRMED SCUM" read with "he said [I]interesting[/I]", and then indirectly calls people around dumbasses for not joining him. And who then refuses to address criticism about it with anything other than "you're scum" or "quotes".


^^^^^^


Ok then. [COLOR="#008080"][SIZE=4]What are your reads and why are they like they are?[/SIZE][/COLOR]


Quotes incoming, since they're necessary for you to reply. I think there is a chance you're town, and it's the only reason I'll do that work lol.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for explaining yourself, but I feel like you also think this is a game about debating topics and being right? Its not. This is a game of finding understanding in the dark. Your strategy is bad because of your approach. Do you see what Im taking issue with?

Like, you seem allergic to acknowledge that my perception of your word choice 'aggressive' could be interpreted as vague and taunting. And if you are unwilling or unable to recognize something obvious and small like that, then it feels like your entire strategy is in bad faith.

Bad faith meaning you have no intention of reading posts or conversations in good faith. Meaning, in the context of the game, you're not looking for understanding, you're looking to be right. But thats just a REALLY bad approach to the game if you are trying to solve in the first place.

I think you could be Town, I'm not trying to discredit you, so please understand what I'm saying. I think you need to approach the game with a more open mind to accepting the other's viewpoint.

Simple as that.

As for the initial conversation you started with me?



This is your quote

[QUOTE=S-FM Billigan Holbird;872141]Lois, do you think you're gaining townpoints for this or are you really doing it for solving? :)
This is too aggressive for my liking. Too out of the blue. Gollert did nothing wrong by discussing the vote system we're going to use this game (it's literally the point of this part of D1), and expecting to gain townpoints from it if the discussion you create is good is natural for any alignment.[/QUOTE]

You make a claim but you don't use any reference for us to have a conversation around to reach understanding. When I ask for a reference you never provide one. Again, this is play in bad faith. You're not looking to reach understanding through communication. I really thjnk you don't understand the point of the game. Its not about pointing out things that are wrong, its about DISCUSSION and trying to find understamding in the dark.

So right, this isn't me saying: LOL you Mafia
I'm also not saying: Bahaha you bad at game

I'm saying, please try to shift your approach to the game

Try to recognize the other side, and look for understanding

Does that seem reasonable?

I know this is a lot about nothing but playstyle but I figure ut's important you understand where I'm comjng from.

I'm not playing 'aggressive' by engaging in conversation. I'm playing in a manner that seeks understanding. Not in a way that belittles or seeks to elevate myself. Again, I'm very reasonable, open to criticism and good faith conversation.

Originally Posted by S-FM Billigan Holbird

Lol sorry for being unclear there.

Regarding "aggressive", if we're playing Sc2 and I say that you putting constant pressure on the enemy with zerglings early on is an aggressive strategy, will you say I'm taunting you...? The same goes here: we're talking about a game, and I'm saying your playstyle is aggressive, and stand by it.

I THINK IT WAS RATHER CLEAR I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR "CONFIRMED SCUM" READ ON JILES. IS IT CLEAR NOW? DO YOU NEED QUOTES OF ME ASKING ABOUT IT?

"You don't realize you're playing in bad faith" lol that is inherently wrong, doing something in bad faith implies you're doing it intentionally. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+bad+faith
Stop discrediting me and quite literally calling me a bad player for disagreeing with you.
My style hasn't been amazing here either? Sorry not sorry, but I'm not the one who doesn't explain a "CONFIRMED SCUM" read with "he said interesting", and then indirectly calls people around dumbasses for not joining him. And who then refuses to address criticism about it with anything other than "you're scum" or "quotes".


^^^^^^


Ok then. What are your reads and why are they like they are?


Quotes incoming, since they're necessary for you to reply. I think there is a chance you're town, and it's the only reason I'll do that work lol.

Thanks for explaining yourself, but I feel like you also think this is a game about debating topics and being right? Its not. This is a game of finding understanding in the dark. Your strategy is bad because of your approach. Do you see what Im taking issue with?

Like, you seem allergic to acknowledge that my perception of your word choice 'aggressive' could be interpreted as vague and taunting. And if you are unwilling or unable to recognize something obvious and small like that, then it feels like your entire strategy is in bad faith.

Bad faith meaning you have no intention of reading posts or conversations in good faith. Meaning, in the context of the game, you're not looking for understanding, you're looking to be right. But thats just a REALLY bad approach to the game if you are trying to solve in the first place.

I think you could be Town, I'm not trying to discredit you, so please understand what I'm saying. I think you need to approach the game with a more open mind to accepting the other's viewpoint.

Simple as that.

As for the initial conversation you started with me?



This is your quote

Originally Posted by S-FM Billigan Holbird

Lois, do you think you're gaining townpoints for this or are you really doing it for solving?
This is too aggressive for my liking. Too out of the blue. Gollert did nothing wrong by discussing the vote system we're going to use this game (it's literally the point of this part of D1), and expecting to gain townpoints from it if the discussion you create is good is natural for any alignment.

You make a claim but you don't use any reference for us to have a conversation around to reach understanding. When I ask for a reference you never provide one. Again, this is play in bad faith. You're not looking to reach understanding through communication. I really thjnk you don't understand the point of the game. Its not about pointing out things that are wrong, its about DISCUSSION and trying to find understamding in the dark.

So right, this isn't me saying: LOL you Mafia
I'm also not saying: Bahaha you bad at game

I'm saying, please try to shift your approach to the game

Try to recognize the other side, and look for understanding

Does that seem reasonable?

I know this is a lot about nothing but playstyle but I figure ut's important you understand where I'm comjng from.

I'm not playing 'aggressive' by engaging in conversation. I'm playing in a manner that seeks understanding. Not in a way that belittles or seeks to elevate myself. Again, I'm very reasonable, open to criticism and good faith conversation.

[QUOTE=S-FM Edoua Maije;872283]1) Because simply put , so far all of your posts have been unhelpful, i could have quoted all of them but that would have taken too much time. I understand trolling at the beginning of the day but it feels like you havnt stopped yet. What annoys me most is that teal was trying to steer town into a good direction but you managed to get the conversation of track.

1B) i would have liked to post more but i'm afraid that was out of my control

2) I will elaborate on it in time , i feel that if i were to give my opinion now they would play differently and i find that their discussion is giving good insights into how they play[/QUOTE]

I beleive you beleive in your points, but it feels like you're trying to win an argument here?

I dont think there is any argument though.

Marlwyn was largely Towny, and they had an almost jokingly personal disagreement with the teal font guy.

Teal font guy probably had good intentions but he was just pontificating on a soap box.

Their disagreement doesn't mean one must be Town and one must be Mafia.

I think they're both probably Town anyway.

I like your style but yeah, I don't think yiu can win a debate that doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by S-FM Edoua Maije

1) Because simply put , so far all of your posts have been unhelpful, i could have quoted all of them but that would have taken too much time. I understand trolling at the beginning of the day but it feels like you havnt stopped yet. What annoys me most is that teal was trying to steer town into a good direction but you managed to get the conversation of track.

1B) i would have liked to post more but i'm afraid that was out of my control

2) I will elaborate on it in time , i feel that if i were to give my opinion now they would play differently and i find that their discussion is giving good insights into how they play

I beleive you beleive in your points, but it feels like you're trying to win an argument here?

I dont think there is any argument though.

Marlwyn was largely Towny, and they had an almost jokingly personal disagreement with the teal font guy.

Teal font guy probably had good intentions but he was just pontificating on a soap box.

Their disagreement doesn't mean one must be Town and one must be Mafia.

I think they're both probably Town anyway.

I like your style but yeah, I don't think yiu can win a debate that doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=S-FM Marlwyn Janson;872284]The post that was directed at didn't really need a response to it. It was a post of you agreeing with me. You were just being quite aggressive at the time and I wanted to poke some fun.[/QUOTE]

right, then I see the issue. My posts aren't just meant for the pleasure of the person I'm typing to. Yes, I want to be understood. But YOUR response would help me both understand YOU and it would let me know that you understand what I jnderstand. Basically, its conversational etiquette of making sure we're on the same level.

I don't take issue with you, but your thoughts are good to have when I need help sorting out my own. Together I think we can di this )

Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

The post that was directed at didn't really need a response to it. It was a post of you agreeing with me. You were just being quite aggressive at the time and I wanted to poke some fun.

right, then I see the issue. My posts aren't just meant for the pleasure of the person I'm typing to. Yes, I want to be understood. But YOUR response would help me both understand YOU and it would let me know that you understand what I jnderstand. Basically, its conversational etiquette of making sure we're on the same level.

I don't take issue with you, but your thoughts are good to have when I need help sorting out my own. Together I think we can di this )

[QUOTE=S-FM Arnarld Quinne;872281][COLOR="#EE82EE"][B][U] IMPORTANT[/U][/B][/COLOR]

[COLOR="#DAA520"]The [COLOR="#00FF00"]Coroner[/COLOR] has TWO alignment reveal checks.
I sugest using it as a replacement for lynching. That way we can, in effect, game 2 flips and 1 lynch in one day.
The Framer can make permanent changes to ones alignment. So if this ability is used day 1 we get 100% trustable flips. The longer we wait the more chance we have of losing the coroner to a night kill or someones alignment is edited.

Unless the Coroner checks the Godfather. Which brings me to my next point. [MENTION=45438]S-FM Lois Francklyn[/MENTION] seems like they may be baiting the Coroner by the way they are acting.


Whatever the case. We should decided on the Coroner day powers sooner rather than later.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Can you walk me through your logic here please?

You are imagining a specific world where I am exactly Gidfather and baiting the coroner?

I'm not downplaying your paranoia, I just want to understand why you think this is a valid thing to be concerned about.

Do you think I'm not Town?
Do you think Jiles is not Mafia?

You'd have to be living in that world for you to legitimately have these concerns and I just don't see how you live in that world.

I THINK you're paranoid and just saying whatever comes to your mind without inferring what that would mean?

Originally Posted by S-FM Arnarld Quinne

IMPORTANT

The Coroner has TWO alignment reveal checks.
I sugest using it as a replacement for lynching. That way we can, in effect, game 2 flips and 1 lynch in one day.
The Framer can make permanent changes to ones alignment. So if this ability is used day 1 we get 100% trustable flips. The longer we wait the more chance we have of losing the coroner to a night kill or someones alignment is edited.

Unless the Coroner checks the Godfather. Which brings me to my next point. @S-FM Lois Francklyn seems like they may be baiting the Coroner by the way they are acting.


Whatever the case. We should decided on the Coroner day powers sooner rather than later.

Can you walk me through your logic here please?

You are imagining a specific world where I am exactly Gidfather and baiting the coroner?

I'm not downplaying your paranoia, I just want to understand why you think this is a valid thing to be concerned about.

Do you think I'm not Town?
Do you think Jiles is not Mafia?

You'd have to be living in that world for you to legitimately have these concerns and I just don't see how you live in that world.

I THINK you're paranoid and just saying whatever comes to your mind without inferring what that would mean?

[QUOTE=S-FM Marlwyn Janson;871860]Lois, are you going to complain later on in this game if I don't respond to your post to me earlier?[/QUOTE]

This one. I had made a longer aided post in the early game taking the game seriously and you weren't on that level yet. You may have most posts, but most are one liners and I'm not sure what your strategy is most of the time, like what points you're trying to make and how that reflects your reads. I like the dnergy though, its quite good. Plus you also saw Jiles showing his mafia side at that critical moment so it looks good for you I think.

Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

Lois, are you going to complain later on in this game if I don't respond to your post to me earlier?

This one. I had made a longer aided post in the early game taking the game seriously and you weren't on that level yet. You may have most posts, but most are one liners and I'm not sure what your strategy is most of the time, like what points you're trying to make and how that reflects your reads. I like the dnergy though, its quite good. Plus you also saw Jiles showing his mafia side at that critical moment so it looks good for you I think.

[QUOTE=S-FM Jiles Carballo;872272]The fact he's taken so long to answer tells me that he is trying to BS something.[/QUOTE]

Lol

You got got

That's nkt even a believable thought.

You have gone 100% flimy reasons to scumread me now that I've pushed on you and they just keep piling up

Flimsy construction bud

I told you your best chance was going to funny route. I'm serious.

Originally Posted by S-FM Jiles Carballo

The fact he's taken so long to answer tells me that he is trying to BS something.

Lol

You got got

That's nkt even a believable thought.

You have gone 100% flimy reasons to scumread me now that I've pushed on you and they just keep piling up

Flimsy construction bud

I told you your best chance was going to funny route. I'm serious.

[QUOTE=S-FM Marlwyn Janson;872271]Have you found the other two Mafia?[/QUOTE]

Not yet Mulan! Also, earlier you didn't feel like taking the game seriously and answering my post at start of day, remember? Do you still think it's pointless to start playing? :)

[I'm being a sarcastic butt, sorry]

Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

Have you found the other two Mafia?

Not yet Mulan! Also, earlier you didn't feel like taking the game seriously and answering my post at start of day, remember? Do you still think it's pointless to start playing?

[I'm being a sarcastic butt, sorry]

[QUOTE=S-FM Marck Wilbird;872267]Hey Nick, wanna make a deal?[/QUOTE]

Yes!

Here's the deal.

I promise to elevate the level of play this game overall and catch Mafia

You promise to try your best and bring your effort and energy!

Originally Posted by S-FM Marck Wilbird

Hey Nick, wanna make a deal?

Yes!

Here's the deal.

I promise to elevate the level of play this game overall and catch Mafia

You promise to try your best and bring your effort and energy!