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  1. Forum:Site Discussion

    Thread:What's the difference?

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    I do not understand the question but I do have some questions I have been chewing on
  2. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    I did not expect that
    If we accept the reality of time cube anticipating how seeing movements of thought processes change by the perspective of an idiosyncratic view into breaking down philosophies of viewpoints; then we must also conclude that the patterns of behavior resulting from such intrinsic modifications to natural processes are not just normative behaviors, but essential to the structure that exists.
  3. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Ohhb(notm)ama

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    MMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
  4. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

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    I wonder how much the issue is what is taken as a result vs how many aspects of who takes what as a result in what community is an issue.
  5. Forum:Circlejerk

    Thread:Strippers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I'm not sure I want us to have deep discussions... or anything else deep.... here.......

    Just a tip
    You should detail how deep we should go. I am not sure how much this community can handle but I am sure everyone has a lot to unload on the subject.
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    ►►Re: WHY THE BRAIN IS NOT A MACHINE◄◄

    It is not a bad breakdown of our conversation and is very concise. Oberon seems to have argued a difference between determinism in thought with some connection to computational thought that I don't understand but outside of that its a good summary imo.
  7. Forum:Circlejerk

    Thread:Strippers

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    Was talking with some leadership from another community about a thing and this topic got brought up as an infraction.

    100% worth a necro and I think we need to have deep discussions about the subject.
  8. Forum:News

    Thread:iso feature

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    This brings the question: is a badass better than a goodass?
    Valid question.

    I endorse anything that has ass in it. An assless world would make everyone full of shit so supporting asses keeps it real.
  9. Forum:News

    Thread:iso feature

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    it's kind of ugly but i added an iso list to the top of threads
    You are a badass

    Dont downplay the badassery you do : )
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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Yah I myself have left SC2Mafia and Skwirl discords and not really joining any games anymore.
    Similarly, I came to FM from the mod for MM, Oberon came here for Distorted, lots of older players came for SuperJack.

    After years and years of pondering on this question, your comment shines the truest of them all.
    I feel like there is a lot of the 'old guard' who could snap their fingers and get 10 or 20 people to sign for a game.

    But understanding what it is that makes people want to do that and what creates a brand of fun that keeps players coming back may be worth a conversation. MU does have a player draw for its people but that started with the games it hosted and the experiences it created. Things like turbos were even popular although their site was terrible for hosting them with issues like refreshing pages jumping post, just because the player base was there.
    Regular community melt downs over staff abuses were common yet they had a popular enough platform that their users accepted such bad moderation to the point the last one I saw was excused as 'Its been a while sense the last meltdown so staff are doing better.'

    Honestly replicating what they created would not be hard. It could be as simple as making something cool and inviting a bunch of communities to play it. If I was going to try to do it I would start by hosting a series of external cross community games on other peoples sites but then inviting those sites to some event. Unless someone wanted to replicate the 'place to be' trendy sort of attitude and they would probably quickly find a lot of people walking away. Even before I ever had issues with MU that kept me on the edges of that community despite creating a lot of things I held in very high regard.

    Reach out to Superjack if you want to hear about how the planned '3 game' cross community interaction went back in the day. He also had some cool stuff for voice/video mafia games that I would like to see become a thing again. The Liers Club has some badass people and a super cool platform if we could create a player draw and coordinate with them..
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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Do we want more people coming here? Perhaps, perhaps not. More is not necessarily better if it makes games less fun, but it is also true I hardly see having only 24/7 chats from now on as being detrimental in and of itself.
    I would say more people would be a good thing. I think the leadership could handle growth without it becoming about them instead of the players as I have seen in other communities but the idea of sharing knowledge in how to play the game as well as creating fun experiences for people to enjoy is a beautiful thing.

    This community has struggled in having good relationships with other communities. We basically gave birth to Town of Salem but alienated them at every turn under some of the older leadership. We tried to do some cross community work with MU but they were only interested in us playing games there and never held up their end. Maybe moving forward things will be different.
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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I THINK the idea is that it would attract more people from other sites, since apparently on these 'other sites' 24/7 chats are the norm.
    On the most basic level playing games is about having fun. Its usually more fun for a wolf team to have 24/7 on multiple levels but balance is also a big requirement.

    If the goal is to bring people here I think a separate conversation should be held about what people consider fun and what this sites 'brand' of fun is.
    I like complexity on the mechanical side that enables and drives conversation while allowing for lies, gambits, deception, and analysis.
    I dislike functions that remove analysis, games that do not have enough action to maintain interest/conversation or mechanics that can not be countered by play.

    At its core I believe the main thing that makes games fun is people being able to influence how they do. At some point I made a bunch of ramblings on some core concepts for setup designing I might try to dig up but thats a bit of it off the top of my head. Also why someday I would like to make something that quantifys a sort of point value for individual measurement removing the social loafing issue that drags some games down.
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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    I don't really understand the point of having a 'default.'

    The aspects of 24/7 I do not believe were pointed out is how it allows for stronger puppet shows/coaching upping the overall wolf IQ for the new players. I really like this because wolfing with good wolves really improves newer wolves ability and helps spread strategy.

    It also helps prevent the frustration that is inherent to wolfing. When you have a team mate overly bussing, supporting you, or even just making a play you see as bad its not fun. Being able to talk to them about it removes a lot of that frustration.

    I think consideration should also be given to the abnormal level of complexity this site hosts. Other sites have grown to accept complicated setups but SC2 still is pretty out there and has some unique day game mechanics that matter when considering 24/7 vs day/night.

    As I said in the beginning, I don't see a reason to declare a default at all and it makes more sense to leave it as a balance function. For a parallel it would be like declaring a default night cycle and requiring reasoning to do anything else. I just do not see what that accomplishes.
  14. Forum:Serious Discussion, Debate & Politics

    Thread:Top 10 thinkers

    Thread Author:Oberon

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I have 2 thoughts on this:

    1) Jordan Peterson. I'm so against him being on the list. Lots of his advice is just common sense in psychological “You get motivated by action.” Duh. But beyond that there's countless examples of him pulling shit like this. There's some admirable qualities of his or things he's done: like his ability in having open and honest debates or his analysis of Hitler, or him pointing out basics things like the reverse racism of saying things like "all white men are oppressors". But I fail to see him being worthy of being on such a list tbh.

    2) Just like the human mind can't imagine/generate a color it has never seen, so too it can't generate anything else - every thought, reasoning, idea, shape, sound comes from a combination of previous inputs. Which is why I think it can't be understated how highly we should value and appreciate the "fathers" of things. Father's of physics, philosophy, math, science, engineering, etc., - if we could name them, they deserve to be on such a list.
    I don't agree that the complexity of an idea is indicative of how difficult it was to think of. For example, I'd value - people figuring out that the earth is round thousands of years ago from just the shadows of lunar eclipses - as more difficult than todays satellites built. I'd value the pythagorean cup as more complex than a tomorrows skyscraper. For that reason I think there should be a very few names listed from the last few centuries. Newton, Tesla, Einstein - I think it's theories and discoveries like that which should be worthy on the list, when it comes to more modern names.
    I like Jordan Peterson for how free thinking he is and how willing he is to take the 'not popular view' on subjects although I do not like how he goes about arguing things. We all have our bias and inability to understand how very ignorant we are in some ways but I think some parts of how he argues represents something I do not like in myself about how I argue which makes me avoid listening to him although I find myself agreeing with a number of positions he takes when I do.

    I really like your second point. I often having half joking conversations about 'who was the first person to do X' and how absurd it must have been in context to decide to smoke or eat a plant, use it for medicine or think of creating a boat. Sure some level of intellectual Darwinism had to have happened but every once in a while people come up with an idea that breaks free of our understanding and is the radical idea that pushes us forward as a species.
  15. Forum:Serious Discussion, Debate & Politics

    Thread:Top 10 thinkers

    Thread Author:Oberon

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    (in no particular order)

    Da Vinci - Might be the smartest ever. From what we know his mind worked in astonishing ways to the extent books were written on it. Small things like being able to write with both hands at once from both directions show he had a very different kind of intelligence that likely had to do with using both sides of his brain together in complicated ways. Some of the most intelligent people I interacted with have similar patterns and its something I wish I had understood earlier in life.

    Max Weber - Created a lot of the thinking that framed the modern world we live in. I do not know if I really agree with the application of a lot of his views but he pioneered some very original works that were built upon to create a lot of good stuff.

    Elon Musk - Easy fit on the list with what he is accomplishing. The amount of innovation and coordination he is able to do is pretty badass showing he is both intelligent enough on his own but also has that certain 'social intelligence' to create systems of people that accomplish incredible things that are literally pushing the limits of our species in ways we have not seen sense Mervin Kelly. If we measure intelligence pragmatically he is easily in the top 10 living if not ever.

    Edward De Bono - I am certainly biased here but this guys work in understanding how the brain functions and how to create intelligence is a force multiplier for brainpower. As far as education goes this guy is nothing less than a god in that field accomplishing actual cognitive improvement in an age where education is watered down to regurgitation of information.

    Jeremy Bentham - The guy studied Latin when he was just 3 years old and naturally spoke on a level people had to spend time unpacking his words. Yet he structured social science concepts like utilitarianism and pushed social reform effectively in line with ethical considerations in a political climate that had many driving factors against such fair treatment of people and animals. For me him being on this list is not only because he was an absurd level of genius but because he dedicated that brain power to ensuring others got fair treatment.

    Claude Shannon - This guy was so smart he offhand created the structure of information theory without reason. Bell labs arguably changed the face of the world in massive ways and was packed with geniuses but he was so far out there he got to write his own ticket to the point he would spend months on whatever struck his fancy without reason. Many aspects of him may have been similar to Da Vinci as he seemed as much an artist as a scientist riding a unicycle up and down hallways. For hobbies he did stuff like creating devices that could play chess or solve rubik's cubes; even made a mechanical mouse that could navigate mazes and learn accidently creating the first form of AI that self learned.

    Albert Einstein - I have a lot of love for how he could break down social concepts into mathematical relations of geometry. He was brilliant in both thinking as well as gifted in speech which is very rare. Any top 10 list should have him on it just because he was smart enough for his name to become a term to discuss intelligence.

    David Hilbert - Not one most non-math nerds will probably recognize but almost beat Einstein to relativity (with some saying he actually did.) He did lots of cool stuff but I particularly enjoyed some of his toying with concepts of infinity and the theory's of how they could actually relate from theoretical math to reality.

    Hedy Lamarr - Not sure if she is one of the greatest but her story really meant something to me. Society only really valued her for beauty through her life but even just being an actress and model she explored concepts of science and created the foundation for things like WIFI that were discovered in her journals after death. I feel like she should be mentioned as the cautionary tale of what society can do to a person when such a great mind is largely known for depicting the first on screen female orgasm while people like Amelia Earhart or Rosa Parks (disingenuously in some respects) get the marketed as icons in women's rights movements.

    Vignesh Karunanidhi - Kind of a cool life story that I associate with. The guy started out figuring out technology and social structures but innovated in some pretty cool ways that made him a billionaire in the end. He felt like one of the few heavy hitting hackers that found a way back into society and fights for ethical considerations while accomplishing that without the crutches of having a great education. I kind of wonder who he could have been given a real education and opportunity; or if it was the adversity that drove him to become what he did.


    Anyways; I guess a lot of anyones top 10 list would depend on what they value, what they consider intelligence, and what they have been exposed to but these are some I would consider off the top of my head.
  16. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:CPI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I question the source of this and I would ask a simple question.

    Last year food went up 2.2, now it went up 7.9. Is anyone only paying 10.1% more on their grocery bill? How much have your average groceries gone up?
    Not to say I do not think you have one. Just saying I do not believe the data and would ask this forum to provide something of a dataset through feedback. I live in Texas and recently had a conversation with a Mexican restaurant owner over how they plan on shifting around dish portions and changing pricing because of the rapidly changing pricing of raw foods.
  17. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:CPI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post


    On the topic of inflation itself rather than the accuracy of inflation metrics -

    Some interesting data points here.

    Meat prices up 13.0%
    Fuel up 43.6% (although this is arguably more due to geopolitics than it is inflation)
    Used Cars and Trucks up 41.2%
    Airline fare up 12.7%

    Even something like rent being up 4.2% can have a major impact on people that live paycheck to paycheck.

    An illustrated example:
    A worker makes $2500/month and takes home $2000/mo after taxes in disposable income.
    The worker's living expenses are $1800/mo. Giving them $200/mo in discretionary income. (Note the difference between disposable and discretionary - disposable is after taxes but before bills are paid, discretionary is after taxes AND bills are paid)

    If prices go up even just 5% without the worker's wages increasing, then their living expenses increase to $1890/mo, and their discretionary income drops from $200/mo to $110/mo - that's a 55% drop in discretionary income.
    With the current 8.6% inflation rate, said worker's discretionary income drops by 77.4%
    I question the source of this and I would ask a simple question.

    Last year food went up 2.2, now it went up 7.9. Is anyone only paying 10.1% more on their grocery bill? How much have your average groceries gone up?
  18. Forum:News

    Thread:iso feature

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    So simple, yet so badass : )
  19. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:CPI

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    I am curious if people still see things the same. Stuff has gotten worse and worse to the point contractors are now refusing to give quotes that last more than a week or so. The price of many foods has tripled while companies are reporting record profits although this suggests the raised prices are not due to raised costs or a currency change.
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    [Role Change] ►►Re: Street Racer Should Have Speeding Crime◄◄

    The evolution of the crime structure came from an offhand comment I made to Rev years back.

    The core idea was something along the lines of not having detectable roles if no action was taken leaving roles the option to take no action and increasing depth of gameplay.

    It built upon the old invest concept of pools. With that you would need the racer to have some town/non-town/evil parallels in crimes to balance as the game existed. Otherwise you make a self-confirmable role which is really bad for gameplay.

    I am not saying it should not be a thing but I do feel more needs to go into it than 'make a crime for this role' from a balance standpoint.
  21. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Why Mafia is Better Than Triad

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    Triad does win ties over mafia though. I have seen that curve games.
  22. Forum:Site Discussion

    Thread:Culture of moderation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    The ethics of moderation would be an interesting topic. This game mafia has naturally developed a legal system necessitating moderation. The biggest problem with in-game moderation, and I learned this the hard way, is that it disrupts the natural evolution of the game. In the same way that the International Criminal Court borrows legal concepts, the mafia community has built a bureaucratic process to address numerous concerns in the community, and the process they use has a basis in reality. The checks and balances here developed naturally, and that is intriguing to me.

    You have a ferocious intellect Helz, you'll need to find an outlet for that creative energy!
    I have a few things in mind.

    Over the last year or so I have had a substantial amount of conversations with leadership from various mafia communities and I have something to say on the subject. I also have a few long standing projects I need to close out and quite a few people I would like to spend more time with. I think I need to move very slow though. I do not articulate issues as well as I use to.
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    ►►Re: WHY THE BRAIN IS NOT A MACHINE◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    FTR I suspect, but I am not certain, that intelligence automatically brings about consciousness; you cannot be intelligent and yet not self-aware.
    I would disagree with this.

    We question if all sorts of life on earth is self aware but all life has some form of intelligence. The fact a squirrel does not create math or philosophy does not mean it does not have intelligence. Reptiles have a very primal brain structure but they act in their interests and have some levels of problem solving. Insects and Birds have both been known to even use tools.

    I have questioned the intelligent growth patterns of trees. There was this one that was behind 2 large structures connected by some stairs. The sun would shine between those structures and the tree grew a long branch to gather that light. But the thing was that to get there it had to grow through a large area where it did not get any extra light. I remember looking at that tree and asking myself how it knew the light was there to begin with. How I could explain that odd growth pattern without accepting that in some way on some level that tree knew throwing resources away to grow through the dark area would be worth it to get to the light. There is many other plant stuff that I would say points to a form of intelligence existing that is so alien to our own we hardly recognize it but its very unlikely that a plant is self aware.

    Anyways, I do not feel like self awareness is a pre-requisite for intelligence. It really just points to declaring our particular brand of intelligence as the standard for intelligence which is a very human-centric way to look at it.
  24. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:EU and KR don't have Mafia 2.0?

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    ►►Re: EU and KR don't have Mafia 2.0?◄◄

    EU was published under an account that nobody has access to.

    This sounds like a simple fix but years back Coast took over PvZ and (although officially sanctioned) got a ban from blizzard for re-publishing the map to allow for future development.

    I have no business talking about the politics of the situation these days but this is one side of the issue in multiple regions having 2.0 that many would not understand.
  25. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Russia's economy: myth vs facts

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    That old saying 'when the rich wage war its the poor who die' comes to mind.

    From what I understand the cost of basic necessity's (such as food) is about to go up. Would be nice to think its a Ukraine issue but its coming soon to a grocery store near you.
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    Thread:Russia's economy: myth vs facts

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    I am interested as well and I can not speak intelligently on the subject.
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    ►►Re: Hyperventilation, Lactic acid, Exercise◄◄

    I can't answer that. It is an interesting question.

    Parallel to it when I was looking at how David Blane did some of the freakish things he did he spoke a lot about that. Apparently when he was a kid he was not a very good swimmer but he discovered he could just not breathe to go faster. He had a lot to say on the subject if you are interested. I he went into it pretty good in an interview with Joe Rogan. He did talk about some techniques to oxygenate prior to starting and how to limit the buildup of certain things that cause issues in oxygenating the body.
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    ►►Re: WHY THE BRAIN IS NOT A MACHINE◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I agree but for the completely opposite reason. I do not see any way of bridging this gap between our reasons as I've already exhausted my lines of reasoning as to why I don't believe the brain is equivalent to a Turing machine.

    I reiterate that the Chinese room argument is likely the strongest argument against artificial intelligence and consequently also against the idea of mechanical intelligence. The only thing I can do at this point is attempt to explain my argument more thoroughly, because I am not entirely sure it's been understood properly, but I will not do that because it's far too complicated to do. Unless someone specifically asks me to do so

    As to how a hypothetical hyper computer would function, that would be anybody's guess. It clearly cannot function along the lines of any physical laws we are aware of now, as they are all computable (barring chaotic conditions which sometimes introduce undecidability)

    Also @Lag I am not sure the idea that the mind is deterministic is entirely unfounded. Without going into the physical aspects of the brain and concentrating strictly on the functionality, it seems hard to believe intelligence could be the result of random chance. Certainly we do not always understand why we act the way we do, but there are many things we do not understand and most are not random lol.
    I understand what you are saying. Just on the most basic level if a brains function is deterministic it should able to replicate. If inputs A, B, C, and D = X result that should be able to be modeled in a computer. Maybe not with our current technology but in my current post I pointed out one of a few abstract ideas of computer design. There are also efforts to make biological and quantum computers I have read about. Those do (with the exception of mechanical computers) barely function at all but could be different ways of computing someday.

    As for Artificial Intelligence one issue I see is that AI does not have to function the same as human intelligence in order to equate to intelligence. In animals many of the same questions have been asked. Are they self aware? Do they recognize themselves? How do groups of insets function with a level of super-organism intelligence? How does an octopus' cogitation work with a distributed structure instead of a centralized mind? Is there intelligence at the cellular level when we can identify patterns attributed to intelligence in things such as mold?

    All of those things play with the idea of what has and what is intelligence but in a nonhuman-centric way. I would say its an almost certainty that we can create a level of computer intelligence that is like the human mind and the real question is simply 'to what degree' regardless of if the mind is deterministic. But if it is deterministic I feel like without the constraints of things like processing power and memory it should be possible to completely copy the mind with the only difference of the chaos created by quantum level issues.
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    ►►Re: WHY THE BRAIN IS NOT A MACHINE◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I am discussing whether the mind can be reduced to a Turing machine or not. Nothing to do with determinism
    I feel like thats a pretty simple question.

    With the technology we have now absolutely no.

    'If' we were to assume potential development of new types of computing technology through mechanical, biological, or quantum methods
    'and' we are to assume the mind is deterministic
    'then' yes. It should be possible

    If we assume thought itself is deterministic then many other forms of computing should also be able to replicate the human mind.
    I feel like its a relevant question of if reality itself is deterministic (enter ontological and quantum theorys) first but again, we are just too ignorant and know too little to begin to do more than just throw a bunch of 'what ifs' at those.
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    ►►Re: WHY THE BRAIN IS NOT A MACHINE◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Which parts?
    The general premise of free will vs determinism. There is just no way for us to test it. We could equally question if reality itself is deterministic and (from a math base) argue between deterministic Newtonian physics Quantum physics disregard for deterministic law. But at the end of the day its just speculation.

    I personally find open speculation that can not hope to solve an issue very interesting but I also think this question is not one I can take a solid stance on. The question also reminds me of the theory that we do not exist and are all a computer program running a simulation. Are we? I doubt it but have no justification to say its impossible.
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    ►►Re: MU's Mafia Championship, Season 9 - Nominations (vote here!)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    The requirement MU has for community eligibility is both transparent and hasn't changed in years:
    - Has the community played at least one FM game in the last year?

    The bar for entry is so low because one of the primary goals of Champs is to promote cross-community interaction. By having such a low bar to entry it maximizes the number of different communities that can participate in Champs. After all, different communities have different activity levels and different standards of activity, and while some sites might be dedicated FM sites - others might only play a game or two every year! (For example, a community that runs 12 day/2 day phases will have games that last 10 to 14 weeks on average, there's only enough time in a year for 3 to 4 of such games in total!)

    And see, there is an important concept in policymaking:
    A good policy aligns incentives with morals.

    So what does the policy of "1 Champs rep per community that has played a game in the last year incentivize?"

    It incentivizes veteran players from big sites that want to go to Champs to seek out small communities that are struggling to even fill games, to be active members in those communities, to bring new life to them, and potentially even introduce some of the players there to the wider FM world.

    Compare that to the policy of "Champs reps are assigned proportional to community size"
    Which incentivizes shunning small communities because why bother when you can just be one of the 12 reps from your big homesite?

    It is completely within the power of MU staff to enact the second policy if they wished, but they choose not to.


    Now, does the first policy still theoretically allow for the blatant abuse you describe? Yes.
    Does it actually happen as you describe it though? No, not really.

    A single player cannot just unilaterally nominate themselves to represent a community at Champs - they would have to have played in a game on the site and then gotten nominated by players on that site. Which at that point leaves the decision up to the players in that small community not MU staff.

    Now a group of players could theoretically raid a small community with enough votes to out-vote the home denizens of said small community, but honestly - that's more of a boogeyman that really just doesn't happen with any sort of frequency to be concerned about.



    Finally, I understand you have disagreements with the staff at MU due to your ban there, but the overwhelming majority of players I have met and played with from MU are awesome people: Guillo, Nanook, DoctorZeus, Hollowkatt, Schweppes, Bradland, TripleHaven, Dum, Garden Gnome - and those are just the players the ones that I've met on MU that went on to participate in our community here too! There are many more great people I've met there and so I do not appreciate and will not allow this thread to fall into largely unfounded community bashing. If you want to continue this discussion further, feel free to message me on Discord!
    I am just going to say that I love the concept of what MU is. Unifying the global community is a beautiful thing and I honestly never had a negative experience with a player from MU. In the years I was a member there I literally never had a single negative interaction in a game or outside of a game. Having an inter-community competition and a hub for information to help players grow is badass.

    The fact some of their staff made a shitty call and have chosen to attack me outside of their community for disrespecting their authority does not mean their community is bad at all. I am sorry if I insinuated that. I love a lot of things about MU and the people within it.
  32. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Soon :tm:
    I have a backlist of projects I have said that about for years : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    How to learn that Thingyman is no longer participating in organizing champ's: see mountainous setup being approved for champs
    The 'fuck it' option is real.

    I feel like the lack of his presence is felt in many other aspects of how they run these days honestly. He was good people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I think that's a separate question. It is possible for the brain to be both deterministic and yet non-computational in nature, and I suspect that this is indeed the case, as the mind appears to be non-random.
    I have no idea if cognition has some aspect of random like we seen in quantum physics or if its deterministic like a computer. Honestly I do not think that question has been answered at all and social sciences are in their early stages of development as a science. A bit of a topic in itself but if you look at entire fields and information theory generally sciences evolve over time going from a questionable pseudoscience to some quantified and verified data.

    Some parts of your question here merits newton's flaming laser sword. There is no data I know of in existence to validate any opinion on the subject. The two edges I know of would be between how AI processes are modeled and some of the help I have gotten over the years from the Center of Excellence in Waco. The approaches they have had for treatment of PTSD and TBI have been very elegant although I am deeply angry about how the central Texas VA has crippled their program.

    Back on topic deterministic cognition really changed the way I think. When I was exposed to the idea that every thought is some combination of previous experiences and current circumstances it changed the way I thought. I intentionally began seeking out ways to 'think outside the box' because I thought I recognized what that box was. I am not sure if I was right so many years ago but I certainly have been able to think differently than most people over the years. I would say that even if our thought processes are somewhat deterministic we still have free will given our ability to steer that combination of factors.
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    NACL:

    For a long time there has been a process for getting unlimited people into the championships friends of MU staff have used. We could just use that to shove as many players as we want in.

    Just gotta take an existing forum unrelated to Mafia and play a few games of Mafia on it in a small group and then lobby to get a champ nomination. Next time you see a champ submission from a very oddly specific forum like the 'Vegan Furries of Kenosha' forum you will know its actually just a friend of MU staff bypassing the whole nomination process. Also why every year you see 400000 something communities participating while half that even exist.

    You could also ask to get an additional rep because of community size but they are stingy about it like they were not shoving their friends through the back door all day..
  36. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Milk View Post
    Virtually every lobby including the one I am playing in right now contains some problematic -ism that go unpassed because outside of one mod I see every now and then, you moderators do not play your own game. And furthermore, the players do not care enough to report. Like hell I'm going to help any of you and report it myself.

    I like this game. Frankly, my only bad experiences with this game were nearly 10 years ago when there was an overabundance of moderators who paid money for their position, then abused their privileges in lobbies. In fact that was part of the original reason why I even made this account in 2013, then stopped posting for nearly a decade. This game has been fine since I resumed around 2019 or so beyond slow lobbies. I seriously hope you all realize your place as unpaid, unknown caretakers of a dying mod of a dying game - and then see the value in protecting and nurturing your creation, because it is fun and people like it. You don't need to make up a heroic grand narrative with a moral objective that is impossible to fulfill. If moral fulfillment is what you really want in your life, there are better vectors for that than StarCraft 2.
    Over the last 10 years I have had a very good understanding of how people got where they were. If you have any real reason to think someone got where they were by paying feel free to substantiate it.

    I do get your point on over moderation although I also do not agree with how you applied it. I have a very personal understanding of how it feels when bad moderators label you as hateful but a lot of it comes down to the 'why.' When its the community saying they do not want to deal with pedo/racist role play and people are arguing its just part of the game it is very different than moderators enforcing their world view or framing people as hateful out of context.

    At the end of the day from a utilitarianist perspective moderation is about creating an environment for people to have fun in. When the majority of players have an issue with a small groups behavior that small group should get moderated. That has nothing to do with the personal openions of the moderators.

    In my experience with shitty communities when moderators go on power trips you can identify patterns of them saying 1 thing to the community and doing something totally different in action. And taking extreme liberty's with how rules are interpreted while working to silence discussion about their actions.

    That said, I think you do genuinely care and have a legitimate complaint but you are absolutely going about it in the wrong way and on the wrong issues. I think you are somewhat getting dog piled here but you are also getting pigeon holed into supporting a pro-racist/sexist/nazi/pedo position. It may be good for you to clarify what your position is if it is not to allow for those extremes of speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    Were you participating in a scientific laboratory? I don't think I've ever heard stories of that happening in schools.
    That school was very different. It had very many extremist behaviors you would never find in a normal school but its education programs were very nitch.

    A lot of it was centered around indoctrination of a specific religious belief and world view which is why it got declared a cult at one point and broke apart after some legal suits.

    You can find some of the same stuff in some fringe nerd education things. Look into some of the MENSA competitions if you want to see some pretty cool stuff. When you dig into the 'how' of people preparing for those contests you hit on some pretty interesting things for education.
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    I think it is.

    I am interested in quite a few things you posted there but need time to dig into them.

    The thing I experienced was at a boarding school I went to. Once a week we did these weird reading things where the text would disappear at a rate and afterword's you would get questions about the text you just read. If you did well the next week it would go faster and if you did poorly it would be the same or slower with the goal of making you read faster.

    We were all somewhere between 11 - 17 for the most part but some of the guys got freakishly good at it. I wish I could say the numbers but I remember pushing myself to compete after seeing how fast they could read.

    To the point I am not confident that an old dog can learn new tricks in terms of this sort of thing but I do think that people can be taught in a way that is more effective initially.
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    I do not know if the mind is a computer or not but the way it functions is how we are modeling the next generation of computers and is the leading design factor (to my limited understanding) in how we run AI through either analog or digital functions.

    Maybe this will give you some answers?
  40. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

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    -vote Guillo


    Felt like I let them down with low participation twice. They never stopped pushing what they felt would lead to the win and put in a monster amount of effort even when I let them down.

    Maybe some bias in how utterly poorly I played this game but while the town looked so apathetic they skipped entire days without analysis this guy was pounding his fists to the pavement and making shit happen through the entire game and into the end game.
  41. ►►Re: Russo-Ukrainian War. [From a pro-Putin perspective]◄◄

    I agree with Man of Peace that two wrongs do not make a right. Pointing to the US doing a bunch of terrible things does not make what Russia is doing any better.

    Proxi wars have existed for a very long time. China, Russia and the US do not fight directly but instead have other countries fight on their behalf. To your question of if Russia in the middle east yeah, they tried to take it at some point and we supported the Taliban. We funded them, gave them weapons and trained them to hurt Russia. My very limited understanding of intelligence when I was in Afghanistan leads me to believe they did the same to us in turn to some extent but were more heavily invested in pushing ideology.

    I really dislike the arguments of how innocent civilians were killed by the US. Most of the vets I have worked with who are the most damaged mentally have problems due to children. The terrorists regularly forced kids to do things and parents over there got their kids killed intentionally to make money. Its some pretty sick stuff that I will probably always be angry about.

    The most blatant indicator I see for how the war economy is used to shift wealth comes from the interviews of top military brass after the Afghanistan trainwreck. The fact they had no clear objective while tons of money was being spent at the cost of American lives reflects politicians real goal had nothing to do with the war imo. Poland shifting assets and America saying they will supply Poland with new aircraft is just a way to shift tax dollars into private interests from what I can see.

    I appreciate that video though. I disagree with some of his takes but he has a very real and valid point in that our world view is controlled to some extent and we are ignorant of objective information. I am not sure if there is a solution to this. Especially in a day where we get our news 4th hand through social media and algorithms are manipulated to market interests.

    I still kinda cut back to the idea that it just does not matter because we can not do anything about it. When the rich wage war its the poor who die and in America citizens no longer have a real voice imo.
  42. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Who is your favorite whacko?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    For me, personally, it's Skyking.
    I had never herd of that guy. He has gotta be right up there with the barefoot bandit.
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    Thread:Who is your favorite whacko?

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    'Phoenix Jones' is up there for me. Apparently Washington has some weird laws where people can just beat the shit out of etch other in front of cops and its ok. So this guy starts dressing up as a Superhero and fucking people up. Then starts a group called the 'Rain City Superhero Movement' of all former military and MMA fighters and they patrolled the streets.

    Marvin Heemeyer probably takes the cake for me though. A corrupt small town tried to shove him out of business with backdoor deals to put in a concrete factory. He bought a bulldozer to rebuild a road to his small business and they blocked him from making a road while slandering him. So he turned the bulldozer into a 'Killdozer' using concrete from the concrete factory that was trying to force him out of business and take his land.
    Then he went to work. Messed up the concrete factory, destroyed the Mayors house that got rich screwing him and went after a number of other city buildings. He always told them where he was headed so nobody but him got hurt but there was just such beautiful irony in it all.
  44. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Every MIT course free

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    ►►Re: Every MIT course free◄◄

    I think that I may just be wrong that every course is free. It looks like truckloads I was really interested in do not have videos which makes me sad.

    Still lots of cool stuff though. I have been watching lectures on all sorts of subjects that have given me new ideas. I do wonder how they select their professors and how much latitude they get with their curriculum given the lectures I have watched.
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    Thread:Every MIT course free

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    I could dig if you want. But MIT's letters translate to Mathematics, Physics, and Chemistry though so its possible they just do not deal in social sciences much?

    -edit
    I could see application in quite a bit of those. Too many worth listing but cognition is referenced in tons of titles.
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    Thread:Every MIT course free

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    ►►Every MIT course free◄◄

    Apparently its a thing. You can get one of the highest end educations without the credentials absolutely free..

    https://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

    RIP my life for the next fucking.. forever. You are welcome to those who love to learn but I am really sorry to anyone who is as obsessive as me about education.
  47. Forum:Serious Discussion, Debate & Politics

    Thread:Fear and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Me personally, I think radiation death might look worse than it feels. Or do they scream of pain?


    Petition to enable this subforum to be seen on front page. Wtf guys? I pressed "new posts" by almost an accident, how are people not supposed to miss Serious Discussion subforum now?
    Lots of interesting thoughts there. The raw brutality that exists in the animal kingdom that people are somewhat insulated from is very real. I am sorry for your experience with asphyxiation. I have only experienced passing out doing MMA and SERE but a function of the body I do understand is toxicity buildup. I can not imagine how that feels.

    To radiation the issue is that cells naturally die but are replaced. Its done by using DNA as a blueprint to create a new cell to replace the one that dies. But when that blueprint is corrupted or destroyed cells just die. Its the slow death of every cell in your body. Every organ fails, skin falls off, lack of any immune system happens and the mind dies after the body giving it time to experience the process. The only blessing I can imagine is the conscious brain shuts off after certain levels of pain. I suppose it just scares me so much because you get to very slowly experience death while you maintain the ability to understand what is happening and there is just nothing to stop it from happening. Knowing you will die is like watching an approaching train but watching it happen I can only assume is a level of terror. Prolonging that terror over weeks while you rot from the outside in is an experience I find scary in a different way. When I think about chernobyl, nagasaki, and hiroshima I wonder how many people spent days, months or years slowly passing in such a way.
  48. Forum:Serious Discussion, Debate & Politics

    Thread:Fear and death

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    For quite a few years I have been obsessing over the concept of evil but I hit a wall when looking at death. Not worth unpacking the why and how of that wall but I am curious, what scares you and what would you consider the worst way to die?

    Personally I have always been terrified of radiation. Bursts of it modify or destroy genetic code in our body's removing the process that allows cells to replace themselves causing the person to kinda rot while living in a fucked up way. Although there is no apparent initial damage, removing (or corrupting) the process in which cells replace themselves is a crazy level of scary to me although I made the mistake of diving down that rabbit hole to understand how it would feel when I was too young.

    If enough things in this world don't mess with you but you want some fear look into Hisashi Ouchi and his assistant. I have studied the darker bits of interrogation a little but this kinda death is an order of magnitude more terrifying to me than anything people intentionally do to inflict pain for some reason. Maybe related to how we accept risks we feel we can influence reflecting how people are more afraid of flying in a plane than driving in a car?

    Kinda an odd and personal question. Its just something I do not understand. Might make for some interesting conversation and I have always found it interesting how horror films play on the subtle fears that exist within a society.
  49. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Shocking bread Fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Are you confident you're not mistaking it for carbohydrates? At least as a not native english speaker those sound similar enough to make that assumption.
    AFAIK carbohydrates are the fuel our bodies run on.
    Something fun to look into is low-carb high-fat diet. Instead of eating your bodies fuel directly, you eat fat instead which slowly transforms into said fuel - making it so you have constant levels of energy throughout the day and not a lot of energy after eating but no energy hours later. Sort of like comparing dumping straw into fire vs dumping big chunks of wood into fire, where fire is the bodies energy. I think it's fascinating. But I can't imagine the levels of sheer discipline and willpower required to overcome the bodies mind games on you to start eating carbs before it starts the adaptation.
    I need to learn about it sometime. I have always understood we are chemistry on the most basic level but have given so little thought and consideration to how it works. While I fundamentally understand functions of heat and cutting simple energy concepts I have very little understanding of how my body functions. If I have the time I should fix that. I appreciate the concept. Your line of thought there is pretty interesting especially given your line of work. Makes me wonder how deeply you consider the dishes you make for yourself and how deep that rabbit hole is in general for people. I am unfortunately worse than the typical American slob who moderates body weight with activity instead of diet.
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    Thread:Shocking bread Fact.

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    Had a funny conversation about bread a while back. Some guy was saying how the most nutritious part of bread was the crust/heel. When I brought up how the crust was literally just a crispy/thick portion on the exterior and not something different from the rest of the loaf my friend called me out for explaining 'thats not how bread works.' Became a running joke the rest of the night and someone bought me a shot for the 'breadoligist.'

    To the subject though, I think Calcium carbonate is relatively common in food. Not sure if it should be there or not and I can't speak intelligently about it but I want to say I see it quite often when I read ingredients.
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