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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Can't really commit to a game until i know what's going on w/ my college semester, which begins in the last week of august.

    If signups are still around then (which is a mild possiblity) I'll /in if I can.


    Also why do I still have the host permissions on my account but not Gikkle? >:c


    jk, I like nitpicking on stuff like that
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    Oh and here's the D1 presidential votes:

    Channel/FDR: George/SB16
    Achro/Truman: George/SB16
    Varcron/Thomas: George/SB16
    Kutiplz/JFK: Eisenhower/Brad
    MM/Theo: JFK/Sabi
    Gikkle/Monroe: Theo/MM
    Porscha/Richard: Truman/Achro
    Norwee/Abe: George/SB16
    SB16/George: Madison/Illwei


    Lolde/LBJ: Randed -> FDR
    Mizery/Madison: Randed -> JFK
    Brad/Eisen: Randed -> LBJ
    Lucy/Woodrow: Randed -> George/SB16

    Totals:
    George (5)
    JFK (2)
    Theodore (1)
    Truman (1)
    Madison (1)
    Eisenhower (1)
    LBJ (1)
    FDR (1)
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    2nd fun fact: I had special flavor text in case @Stealthbomber16 died.

    Spoiler : special flavor :


    A crowd gathered around as the elected president, Mr. FM-George Washington, was giving a speech to all the Americans of this forum. The president, having been obviously elected for the impeccable wisdom and charisma that they have, started with the following words:

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoiler, Last will

    If Night killed:

    The crowd was stunned by this insightful question. What, indeed was a kilometer? But, before the president could finish, and the crowd could ponder, a shot rang out! Before anyone had realized, the president had died!

    After a swift investigation by law enforcement, the culprit could not be found. However, law enforcement did stumble upon some suspicious activities by the president, and concluded that he was:


    Quote Originally Posted by spoiler & Flip
    Consigliere
    To the dismay of many, it seems that this president sought nothing but to deceive the people! Hope will have to rely on the people of this great nation, for it is up to them to discover the former president's co-conspirators and to elect a new, better, president.


    If Yeeted:

    The crowd stood in awe, and the immediate area fell into silence. This question was so stunning that the crowd wondered why they had even elected this guy in the first place. Before anyone realized what had happen, an angry mob had formed assailing the president with accusations of being a british sympathizer, a german spy or even, god forbid, a communist at heart! On this day, the president lost their life.

    After the crowds and mobs had been dispersed, and a swift congressional investigation into the private dealings of the former president, it was discovered that the president was:


    Quote Originally Posted by spoiler & Flip
    Consigliere
    To the delight of those who distrusted the president, it seems that this president sought nothing but to deceive the people! Hope will have to rely on the people of this great nation, for it is up to them to discover the former president's co-conspirators and to elect a new, better, president.

    (insert obvious disclaimer that this is flavor text done purely based on the fact the president died, and has nothing to do with the current game-state nor with the specifics of how the president died except in the case of whether the president was voted out or not.)


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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    S-FM President II has ended!

    The
    Mafia have won!
    (due to vote-power parity)

    @Stealthbomber16 ( @FM-George Washington )
    @Mizery (aka illwei, @FM-James Madison )
    @Renegade ( @FM-Franklin D Roosevelt )

    Host ISO Player (Anon) Player (Real) Flip (Phase)
    ISO @FM-Abraham Lincoln @Norwee Journalist (End-game)
    ISO @FM-Dwight D Eisenhower @BradLand -> @macdougall Detective (End-game)
    ISO @FM-Franklin D Roosevelt @ChannelMiner -> @Renegade Tracker (End-game)
    ISO @FM-George Washington @Stealthbomber16 Consigliere (End-game)
    ISO @FM-Harry S Truman Achromatic Citizen (N1)
    ISO @FM-James Madison @Mizery Consort (End-game)
    ISO @FM-James Monroe @Gikkle Citizen (End-game)
    ISO @FM-John F Kennedy @Kutiplz Citizen (End-game)
    ISO @FM-Lyndon B Johnson @Loldebite Vigilante (N3)
    ISO @FM-Richard Nixon Porscha Citizen (N3)
    ISO @FM-Theodore Roosevelt @Marshmallow Marshall Doctor (N2)
    ISO @FM-Thomas Jefferson @Varcron Citizen (D3)
    ISO @FM-Woodrow Wilson Lucy Citizen (D2)


    Fun fact: Mafia managed to block a vig kill on them, in the last 20 minutes or so before the night action submission window closed.
    Spoiler : Action history :

    Day 1:

    Journalist: Nothing
    Night 1:

    Consigliere: [President, can kill but no ability] Nothing
    Tracker: Watching Theodore
    Consort: [Killing Truman]
    Detective: Nothing???
    Vigilante: Nothing
    Doctor: George Washington

    Day 2:

    Jorunalist: Nothing (they think using it would be bad)
    Night 2:

    Consigliere: [President] Killing Theo
    Tracker: [Being killed by Vig] Watch George
    Consort: Block LBJ
    Detective: Tracking Monroe
    Vigilante: Killing FDR [BLOCKED BY CONSORT]
    Doctor: [Being killed by President]

    Day 3:

    Journalist does nothing again
    Night 3:

    Consig/President: Killing Vig
    Tracker: Watch washington
    Consort: Nixon
    Detective: None????
    Vigilante: shoot Nixon



    Management/dead-chat discord (Some private channels will be released later once they no longer have any passwords): https://discord.gg/jq3pFmcyP2


    Remaining last wills:

    Spoiler : last wills :


    FM-Lyndon B Johnson

    I tried to shoot FM-Franklin D Roosevelt N2 but was roleblocked. I attempted to shoot Nixon N3
    FM-James Monroe
    EDIT: This player has asked me to not show their last will - Martin
    FM-George Washington

    No one else has left a last will.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    Day 3 has ended!
    SoD4 Timer

    Spoiler : votecount :

    FM-Thomas Jefferson (4 [L-995]):
    FM-George Washington (Mayor), FM-James Monroe, FM-Lyndon B Johnson
    FM-Richard Nixon (4 [L-995]):
    FM-Dwight D Eisenhower, FM-Abraham Lincoln, FM-Franklin D Roosevelt, FM-John F Kennedy
    FM-Franklin D Roosevelt (2 [L-997]):
    FM-Richard Nixon, FM-Thomas Jefferson



    @FM-Thomas Jefferson was slain by RNG on the votecount! They were:


    Spoiler : flip :

    Citizen


    They also left the following will:

    Spoiler : last will :

    Read the spies play like an open book after the Truman death and setup. It appears that you managed to pass a mislynch on me, a mistake? Yes.

    I still firmly believe that JFK, Mr. Eisenhower, and Mr. Lincoln are town. I can now not be so sure that our president, Mr. Washington, along with Mr. Johnson and Monroe are. Either way, my fellow gentlemen have put themselves in the position where you now need to decide between FDR (A very easy person to mislynch tomorrow and potentially lose the game) or go for one with higher activity.

    I stand by that Lincoln, Eisenhower, and JFK are town, good luck.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    Closing thread. Expect a post in about 10-20 minutes.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    I don't think I need to say this, but just in case:

    Where possible, please avoid discussing the activity thing (which shows non-incognito accounts viewing this thread) at the bottom of the page or any other non-game-related indicator of being online or not.

    Discussing activity shown through anything else in the game (such as posts) is fine.
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    Day 3 has begun
    EoD3 Timer


    @FM-Theodore Roosevelt has died! They were:

    Spoiler : flip :

    Doctor


    They also left a last will:

    Spoiler : will :
    Doctor Teddy Roosevelt here. I healed Mr. Washington on N1, but Mr. Lincoln on N2, for I did not fully trust our President anymore: he severely lacked contributions and actively avoided commenting on the hot topics (Wilson and Nixon, for example).

    Do not suspect Lincoln too much: despite his shortcomings about D1 activity, he strikes me as the most honest Abe one could wish for.

    Good luck, citizens, and may you preserve the United States of America to the best of your ability.


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    Day 2 has ended!
    SoD3 Timer

    Spoiler : votecount :

    FM-Richard Nixon (2 [L-997]):
    FM-Abraham Lincoln, FM-Franklin D Roosevelt
    FM-Woodrow Wilson (4 [L-995]):
    FM-George Washington (Mayor), FM-Theodore Roosevelt, FM-James Madison
    FM-Franklin D Roosevelt (1 [L-998]):
    FM-Lyndon B Johnson
    FM-Thomas Jefferson (1 [L-998]):
    FM-James Monroe



    @FM-Woodrow Wilson was slain by the vote-count! They were:


    Spoiler : flip :

    Citizen


    EDIT: I forgot to mention/clarify that they had no last will.

    Additionally:

    The player behind the account of @FM-Dwight D Eisenhower will be replaced.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    The player behind the account of @FM-Franklin D Roosevelt has been replaced. Please avoid discussing substitutions where possible.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    For those of you who may need clarification:

    There is a vote-counting bot. To vote, you do [vote]FM-Harry S Truman[/vote] (I used special code to show you it as you would normally type it, and you do not need to color it red). It will then add that vote to the "vote-count" button towards the top of the page, and will show it upon being clicked. The 2nd post of this game shows an image of it if you can't find it.

    Make sure it is the EXACT NAME of the ACCOUNT. Including the "FM-" part!

    Additionally: There is no hammer in this game. That message about the hammer is me activating the bot. Whoever has the most votes at end of day gets royally executed.


    Also somehow the bot checked votes on d1 as well when I activated it and put them in the vote-count. I'm removing them with this post.

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    Just to be sure the vote bot has listened to me.

    FM-George Washington is the mayor with 2 votes.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    Day 2 Begins

    EoD2 Timer

    @FM-Harry S Truman has died! They were a:

    Spoiler : flip :

    Citizen


    They have also left a last will:

    Spoiler : last will :

    I have made this statement in case I have fallen short of my goal to be with you all just a little longer. I said in a post that I did not wish to be President in hopes that the Germans would believe I had a night power and to take action against me. If this has come to pass then please know even in death i smile at being able to serve my country one last time. All I ask from the grave is that you fight this threat to our country with earnest zeal and be unafraid to re-evaluate as the days go on. It has been a pleasure gentleman. All of my reads can be found if you look through my posts, although they will only dull with time as the topic moves on without me. Good luck and God bless America.



    999 votes to hammer.

    FM-George Washington is the mayor with 2 votes.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    My sincere apologies for the delay, I was taking a nap and it ended up lasting too long. I take hosting very seriously, and I will be adjusting to make sure it does not have a chance of happening again.

    That said, I want to thank everyone for respecting the EoD despite my error.




    @FM-George Washington is the elected president!

    They will have no night ability (if any) for the rest of the game, as well as having a vote-power of two starting D2.



    SoD2 Timer
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    Friendly Reminder


    Votes for president are due 1 hour before EoD (or approximately 11 hours from now).

    Votes are done in private (either through discord or in site PM to me), and cannot be for yourself.

    If you do not submit a valid vote in time, your vote will be RNG'ed out of everyone who isn't you.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    Apparently videos might not work for people logged on anonymous accounts, even if the red box is clicked on.

    No, I don't know why that is the case, but if you're going to post a video it might be better to just post the link. Make it size 6 if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-John F Kennedy View Post
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    Just sitting here contemplating my life with Jefferson ignoring me as if I don't have the highest post count
    Do not edit posts.

    If you do end up doing that, we can see what you did, but the players cannot. So please do not do it, even for typo's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
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    There is no elimination today, and president votes are due in private one hour before EoD. The election result will be announced at EoD, and the president will lose their role's night ability (if any) in return for having two votes instead of one.
    I forgot to add the following: Any non-votes or forgotten votes will be RNG'ed out of everyone who isn't yourself, since you can't self-vote.
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    Day 1 Begins!

    EoD timer added to OP.

    There is no elimination today, and president votes are due in private one hour before EoD. The election result will be announced at EoD, and the president will lose their role's night ability (if any) in return for having two votes instead of one.

    Two clarifying spoilers:

    Spoiler : What happens when a President dies? :

    When a president dies, the next day a secret vote will be held to elect a new president. This will run alongside the standard vote to eliminate (except Day 1). If the elected president is somehow also the person who will be eliminated, the second-closest vote for president will be elected instead. RNG will apply in cases of ties, except for when the Mafia have parity with the Town (in which case the mafia are favored to get the presidency / not be eliminated).

    Spoiler : What are the rules on timestamps when it comes to votes? :

    For elimination votes, any time before I lock the thread is good. Generally that means right around the timer (in the timer links) stops.

    For president votes, it is so long as the discord message is timestamped to be exactly 1 hour before EoD or earlier (2:00 PM EST is good, 2:01 PM is bad).
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    ►►S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    S-FM President II
    S-FM 344; final S7 ladder game

    Setup Link (Includes the modifications)



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    Thread Author:MartinGG99

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    Also please do not post in here. I'm getting someone who can lock this thread soon.
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    ►►S-FM 344 (Ladder): President◄◄

    S-FM President
    The last ladder game of Season 7!

    THIS IS AN ANONYMOUS GAME, YOU MUST PM ME EITHER THROUGH DISCORD OR ON THIS SITE IN ORDER TO SIGN OR TO BE A RESERVE


    Players: 13/13
    Reserves: 1/1

    SoD/EoD will occur at 3pm EST

    @Lumi will not be in the game, they will be helping recruit players for the game and are thus disqualified from playing.

    They will also be available as staff support for the game - if you have any questions regarding site rules, please do not hesitate to reach out to them!

    The game has been filled, but Lumi and I have been planning a few small (but significant) changes to the setup in order to make it more balanced. The announcement will be made soon. The game will begin within the next few IRL days, hopefully around Sunday or Monday assuming no one drops out due to the changes.

    For now, you may read the old signups info if you would like but be aware some of it may no longer be relevant.

    Spoiler : old signups info :

    Setup Link

    Based on the last run of the game (in particular the host's notes), all yeets and elections will occur at EoD. There is no hammer at any point.

    THERE ARE NO HOST-POSTED VOTE-COUNTS FOR ELECTIONS

    The elected President has 3 vote-power, and then has 2 vote-power once the game reaches 7 or less players. They cannot use their night abilities.

    Roles are hand-picked by me, except for the Turncoat
    (look towards bottom of post to see details)

    All actions are completely optional, including the mafia factional kill.

    Mafia factional kill works in the form of exchanging a mafia's night action/ability to do the killing for a night.

    In case you missed it, this game has last wills & death notes
    (for those who are unfamiliar: those are messages that are left upon either dying or killing someone)

    The following changes have been made, with approval from a site staff member:

    There is one more Town player than what the linked setup has.

    The Bruiser/Assassin day-kills are processed at EoD, instead of middle of the day (flip would've happened at EoD regardless)

    Because I personally am against disguiser-like roles (since they can have a high skill floor which is potentially unfair); site staff have agreed to leave the inclusion of the Turncoat role to the decision of the players. When you PM me to /sign or /reserve, you may vote to have the role included or not. The results of this vote, and discussion of it, are forbidden as discussing it could imply that you're in the game (and discussing the vote in-game could lead to game-balance issues).

    Minor edit: I also am ignoring rules #5 and #6 of the linked setup since they have no actual bearing on the game, and in any cases those rules would, it is already covered by other rules

    Discord will be expected of mafia players. If you would like to preserve your anonymity there, get a discord alt account. Discord is not expected from anyone else, though there will be a discord server for dead players with optional spoilers.

    No compensation for rule-breaking will ever be given out, unless the rule break was very extreme. If it occurred early and was serious enough, a game re-rand may be conducted instead. That said, anyone who does break the rules knows that they are potentially harming the game forever and it is suggested that site moderation take this into account.

    Try not to use this color, it helps my post stand-out.
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    Clearly Lumi has taken the prime real-estate option of a win-win-win scenario

    there's no way to post without any sort of discussion; its just a matter of being on-topic or not

    and if you go somewhere else in this site to do something then you're just following Lumi's orders anyways

    so truly the only way to avoid the far reaches of Lumi's corrupt villainous dictatorship is to leave the site and never return

    a punishment in of itself, some would say, and one that thy glorious leader did not have to do themself
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    I have no regrets for how I played.

    Except maybe getting rid of @OzyWho

    GG to wolves
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    -vote Renegade

    @Marshmallow Marshall
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Smh clearly Frinckles is scum for closing the thread

    -vote Frinckles


    I'll be voting Renegade in a few hours.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    And, finally, this seems like an overblown response to a hypothetical wolf partner:



    I generally don't case my mischops when quoting a wolf partner, and this was said during the skip phase.
    To elaborate a bit more on this:

    MM didn't ask for stuff about me lol
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    I think its Ren + Lol, even though there's somewhat of argument (though not to the same degree imo) that it's Ren + MM.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    "VCA makes X look bad"

    *quietly ignores the n1 kill making Y looking worse and never mentioning it*



    In fact just ctrl+f "lol" in Renegade and tbh I dislike his handling of Loldebite

    Earlier he hardly ever states a read on him and yet asks for votes to be off him, especially since it was L-1.

    Then actually concurs with me that its strange and suspicious the wagon disappeared quickly on Lol.

    Then wonders about Lol pocketing him but never really fleshes that out.....which is also interesting because thats almost as if there was never a town-read there to begin with. If you already town-read someone, you don't really think about pocketing. Probably even more so when you already got two suspects.

    This exists:

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I'm entirely convinced that Frinckles and Martin are the scum pair. I am also suspicious of how the Loldebite train formed and fizzled just as quickly.

    And, finally, this seems like an overblown response to a hypothetical wolf partner:

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    That should be 200 words. At least.

    Now that this most important matter is settled, I'd still like @Renegade to elaborate on @Frinckles ' meta and on the read he derives from it, and while we're at it, to hear Frinckles' thoughts on Renegade. I believe this is a TvS pairing, with either Renegade scumpainting Frinckles or Frinckles fooling me and Renegade somehow being actually town calling me out on it. I strongly lean towards the former.
    I'm entirely convinced that Frinckles and Martin are the scum pair. I am also suspicious of how the Loldebite train formed and fizzled just as quickly.

    In retrospect voting Ozy was a mistake on my part. But he was acting extremely strange and his vote on me was extremely forced and nitpicky.

    Frinckles & Martin were on BOTH trains.

    Frinckles acts aloof when he is scum based on several games I've played with him. He is much more analytical and to the point when he is town, much more willing to solve the game. His day 1 ALONE is enough to convince me is he scum.

    Frinckles claims his meta is pointless, of course that is what he wants us to think.

    It is extremely obvious to me Martin and Frinckles are scum, at the very least ONE of them, and will do everything I can do convince the rest of you of this if it isn't already obvious to you already.

    As for seeing the Norwee flip, I don't think it is that surprising. I'm not sure anyone ever voted them all game so they had some level of implicit universal town reading.

    That is all for now. Obviously I am in favor of skipping.
    I generally don't case my mischops when quoting a wolf partner, and this was said during the skip phase.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Err I guess thats actually today IRL....its 1:16 am for me.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    I approve of Frinckles' wall and conclusions.

    I figured I would say what I said earlier in case Frinckles was debating on whether or not it was a TvT, by presuming Renegade to be somehow town.

    As for whether its MM or Loldebite to be paired with them, I'm uncertain. However, I do think I'm leaning less on it being MM on the basis that:

    1) If Renegage is scum, then the reason he gave for Norwee being killed is almost certainly the reason Norwee was killed. So the whole "it could've been done for MM's sake" is less relevant.
    2) Arguably, as shown by Frinckles, Loldebite could also have been spinning the wheels.
    3) Varcron

    Anyways, I'll probably dive more into that more tomorrow IRL. I would rather figure out what the post-Ren suspect is with Frinkles still around (if he has anything to say) rather than just waiting for the F3.

    A response from MM about all of this (just in general; whatever thoughts that do occur to him) would be great.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    It's also strange that

    If we presume there's a wolf in Renegade + Frinckles

    That not one of them nor MM (who's being non-committal and practically an unknown factor on the issue) has died.

    Either that means Renegade + Frinckles are both town, or MM + one of Renegade/Frinckles are the two wolfs
    Actually that just means MM is scum in either case fmpov lol.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    It's also strange that

    If we presume there's a wolf in Renegade + Frinckles

    That not one of them nor MM (who's being non-committal and practically an unknown factor on the issue) has died.

    Either that means Renegade + Frinckles are both town, or MM + one of Renegade/Frinckles are the two wolfs
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    I'm gonna be real

    I kinda just feel like sheeping Frinckles for two reasons

    1] If there's anyone I would want to lose to here, it would be him.
    2] There isn't much of a gap between MM/Renegade/Loldebite to me imo.

    Though.....loldebite's claim about renegade is interesting. Not quite sure I've seen someone claim that on another slot in a f5 before.




    After looking through things a bit, and presuming Renegade to be town, I wonder if MM specifically is scum. The last two kills were on people who were on his wagon before MYLO, and he's been sitting on the sidelines saying this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Now that this most important matter is settled, I'd still like @Renegade to elaborate on @Frinckles ' meta and on the read he derives from it, and while we're at it, to hear Frinckles' thoughts on Renegade. I believe this is a TvS pairing, with either Renegade scumpainting Frinckles or Frinckles fooling me and Renegade somehow being actually town calling me out on it. I strongly lean towards the former.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Idk. We should have lynched Renegade or Frinckles yesterday, but there was zero interest for it.
    Which feels pingy in that he's a wolf that wants this "TvS" to exist and is fairly confident that the game will end by resolving this "TvS". In particular the blue-color feels like trying to stir up some trouble while not being part of it on either side. Seems unusually non-committal.....especially given the whole reads list on d1 having renegade as scum.
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    @Loldebite

    If you're town then you 100% better reach that 200 word requirement in the 3 hours or our skip will cause us to lose (since a town modkill would be the equivalent of a misyeet, and we're in MYLO right now)
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    actually

    I have no clue if deathworlds would count words during this

    but I would hate to see if that were the case and it got skip hammered

    -vote deathworlds
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    Actually @Frinckles doesn't have enough words either, surprisingly enough.

    Or at least that's what Word says.
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    @Mizery

    Don't forget word-count.
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    Since word-count requirements are still a thing, I thought I would share this parody I made for a community I once visited. For them, every game had a Google Form for confession of ongoing game thoughts while they are playing it, from which the hosts and others can see post-game as well as any casual reactions by the hosts. One day I thought I could write a ridiculous WIFOM-inspired scene based on the form's question, and so it was written:

    Spoiler : :

    "What would you like to say?"

    Well its so simple. Are you the sort of host to expect players will confess, or to expect they will not? Now, a clever host would expect a player to confess, because they would know that only a great fool would speak freely. I'm not a great fool, so I clearly can not choose to confess. But you would've counted on it, and so clearly I should choose to confess here.

    "You've made your decision then?"

    Not remotely! Because confession forms are created by interested people, as everyone knows. And interested people are suspicious. And suspicious people are used to not being trusted, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly can not choose to confess here.

    "Truly you have a dizzying intellect"

    Wait till I get going! Where was I?

    "Confession Forms."

    Yes --- confession forms. You must've known I wouldn't have trusted you, so clearly I can choose to confess here.

    "You're just stalling now."

    You'd like to think that, wouldn't you! You've hosted an awesome game, which means you're exceptionally appealing. So, you could have expected players to confess, trusting on your popularity to cause people to use this form. So I can clearly not choose to confess here. But, this is also a re-run, which means you have hosted recently. And in hosting recently, you gathered lots of confessions and therefore expected people to distrust you and not confess here, so I can clearly choose to confess here.

    "You're trying to trick me into giving away something -- it won't work"

    It has worked! You've given everything away! I know what the correct choice is!

    "Then make your choice"

    I will! And I choose [gasp] what in the world is that fine print!?!?

    "Where? I don't see it."

    Oh, well, I could've sworn I saw something. No matter. *giggle*

    "What's so funny?"

    I'll tell you in a minute. But first, I must choose, and you must wait.

    "You choose wrong"

    You only think I choose wrong, that's what's so funny! I wrote this up and never sent it! Haha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "never write a post with scum-slip". But only slightly less well-known is this! Never go in against a off-site player when CONFESSION is on the line! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA---oh wait


    -vote skip




    Oh and when we arrive at the next day phase, don't vote unless you're certain your vote isn't going to change. One misplaced vote is GG due to wolf hammers.
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    Three posts left after this one.
    @Marshmallow Marshall

    w.r.t. your reads list

    Why is Mizery so low if two people sheeped their vote at EoD1?

    Or have you re-evaluated by now? If so, tell me about it.
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    -vote Ozywho


    Either this guys looking for some town points or he's going out of his way to butt heads with mine for poor reasons.
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    Tempted to vote ozy because he decided to defend someone other than him, and it was more in the manner of "this guy isn't as bad as you think it is" rather than "this guy is town because X".
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post

    Point #4 being irrelevant is agreed upon.
    Point #3 being irrelevant comes from #4 being irrelvant.
    Point #2, no comment, I'm not a mindreader.
    Point #1, loldebite's responses indicate clear focus on self preservation.
    I didn't read any of the post before this quote because of the problematic formatting which made it difficult to read.

    Point #1 is the same as I view it.

    Point #3 is relevant because loldebite decided that something he was going to be suspected for (reminder: point #1 and the hypothetical that this guy is town) was something he didn't need to defend himself from nor talk about at all. I cannot fathom feeling threatened by something and then staying mute about it as town. That's practically not even a defense at all. Like, if we put this move to an extreme, it would be like expecting his lack of a defense on it (and that Varcron was simply a WIFOM kill) to be the sole thing that convinces some amount of people to not vote him.

    Also, lol:

    ...no comment, I'm not a mindreader.
    You say that, but I'm fairly sure that's what you try to do when speculating wolf play as you (presumably) don't know they're wolves.
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    I got 7 posts left after this.

    Also worth noting: That loldebite wagon disappeared preety quickly.

    And if you don't think this is relevant: This is my very fancy way of making fun of the people who thought the sudden Stealth wagon was suspicious and AI for me
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    Frinckle's tone I read as genuine.

    Also interesting to note three people suspect a MM/Martin team based on reads: Miz, Lol, and Ozy if I got that right. Think if there's wolf in there its probably Lol and others are just town.

    oh ozy look another post where martin doesn't interact with MM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norwee View Post
    Also. Martin pre-flipping: "If Lol is scum then Norwee town" is fuckin scummy.

    3/15
    Would the context of a red-check make that any different?

    Because that's what it almost felt like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    About 1) : I figured I should say something about this because it feels like that's what sparked Varcron's suspicions about myself. Guess why I didn't make the first post ? I had nothing to say and would rather spend my precious posts reacting to other people's, because it was quite obvious that I'd be under the most cautious scrutiny.

    Wtf do you want me to say about 3) ? I obviously don't agree with the reasoning according to which I'm the most wolfy of the SB trimvirat [Mizery, Frinckles, Loldebite], for obvious reasons (I know that I'm town).

    4) ... What ? Obviously it's a WIFOM kill, either I did it and killed the whoever accused me, or someone else did to make it look like the former. Is that not what is meant by "WIFOM kill" ? That's what I was referring to.
    What exactly do you consider "wolfy to begin with"
    Why is that important? Towns can have huge misplays or just be dumb. You don't have to explain why those suspicions are. No one here is going to be thinking "Ah yes since Varcron was suspicious of Loldebite, it's a red-check for Loldebite".

    You don't bring it up at all. Like, seriously? Your best answer to something you think you'll be highly suspected for (despite it being wholeheartedly wrong in your view) is to just stay quiet about it?

    As for the last part, fine. I guess people can call it a WIFOM kill and mean that, but personally I think WIFOM is a very broad term and can happen in various ways and so specification beyond the words of "WIFOM" is generally useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Martin, why is "If loldebite had been the first to post on d2, it would've been a one-liner." a thing while Norwee's nothing-post deserves no comment?
    If we're both town I'm quite concerned for all future games where we're both town, considering the differences in viewpoints we seem to continually have.

    The difference is that Loldebite wouldn't have said anything about the kill were it not for Norwee's post.....which he quoted three times to say three separate things.

    I take it that you don't think this is even a difference at all?
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    Also

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I was examining the vote count and noticed you were on Martin, so I went to check what your reason for voting him was. It apparently is that Ozy is... LHF? Do you stand by your read that basically states Martin tried to lynch LHF town Ozy? If so, where do you see this? Because... I don't. And Martin was Stealth's counterwagon.

    Also, thoughts on the Stealth lynch? You've been pretty empty content-wise.
    just read his extremely short iso lol

    he has one more comment w.r.t me I think
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post

    3) Despite having some level of self-consciousness (as shown in point #2),
    Ebwop
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