Coy racism is still racism. When someone says "name theme is niggers" and someone decides to use the name African Jew? Pretty obvious what's going on there.
Coy racism is still racism. When someone says "name theme is niggers" and someone decides to use the name African Jew? Pretty obvious what's going on there.
[QUOTE=Grakylan;968482]Exactly. I already saw one community I was involved in for years (DivinityRP in Gmod) die off b/c of admins focusing on the wrong issues consistently and alienating the regulars of the community (who themselves constantly alienated the newcomers). I fear the same fate for SC2Mafia.[/QUOTE]
What do you think moderation should be focusing on?
Originally Posted by Grakylan
Exactly. I already saw one community I was involved in for years (DivinityRP in Gmod) die off b/c of admins focusing on the wrong issues consistently and alienating the regulars of the community (who themselves constantly alienated the newcomers). I fear the same fate for SC2Mafia.
What do you think moderation should be focusing on?
The crux of why the player in question was watch listed is because he made 0 effort to communicate to his team mate he is going for a high risk play that forces said team mate to be a part of it. Let's stop blowing past this.
Whether he intentionally meant to bus or not isn't relevant because bussing is fine, [B]as long as it's communicated and agreed upon[/B]. The only reason I brought up bussing is because Renegade implied bussing is not allowed at all in the OP, and also for some reason implied you are not longer able to vote up sinking team mate.
Before any further discussion takes place I'd just like to say please actually consider why we watch listed the player originally. [B]He made 0 effort to communicate to his team mate he is going for a high risk play that forces said team mate to be a part of it.[/B] The logic behind this stance is the same as punishing Kidnappers/Interrogators who jail and execute their team mates for town cred when said team mate isn't sus to begin with (looking at you Frinckles). The logic behind the play is FINE. The execution is NOT.
[B]Communicate [/B]your plan if it involves others dirrectly. Ask for [B]consent[/B].
If you simply think players shouldn't need to ask for consent and communicate these kind of plans with their team mate, just say so.
The crux of why the player in question was watch listed is because he made 0 effort to communicate to his team mate he is going for a high risk play that forces said team mate to be a part of it. Let's stop blowing past this.
Whether he intentionally meant to bus or not isn't relevant because bussing is fine, as long as it's communicated and agreed upon. The only reason I brought up bussing is because Renegade implied bussing is not allowed at all in the OP, and also for some reason implied you are not longer able to vote up sinking team mate.
Before any further discussion takes place I'd just like to say please actually consider why we watch listed the player originally. He made 0 effort to communicate to his team mate he is going for a high risk play that forces said team mate to be a part of it. The logic behind this stance is the same as punishing Kidnappers/Interrogators who jail and execute their team mates for town cred when said team mate isn't sus to begin with (looking at you Frinckles). The logic behind the play is FINE. The execution is NOT.
Communicate your plan if it involves others dirrectly. Ask for consent.
If you simply think players shouldn't need to ask for consent and communicate these kind of plans with their team mate, just say so.
It's generally expected to not be shit cunt and use your big boy voice if you want to do something that has a good chance of negatively affecting your team mate who you probably have had very little or no interactions with before. In FM which is more relax on yolo bussing this type of play is done by people who have built up personal relationships for months, if not years.
It's generally expected to not be shit cunt and use your big boy voice if you want to do something that has a good chance of negatively affecting your team mate who you probably have had very little or no interactions with before. In FM which is more relax on yolo bussing this type of play is done by people who have built up personal relationships for months, if not years.
Bussing is fine in mod if they communicate their intention clearly and the team mate is ok with it. This isn't triad trying to look town by voting up and guilty voting a suss team mate, which has never been punished btw. There is a difference
Bussing is fine in mod if they communicate their intention clearly and the team mate is ok with it. This isn't triad trying to look town by voting up and guilty voting a suss team mate, which has never been punished btw. There is a difference
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Last wills disallowed. Death notes allowed.
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Approved for: 20186 points, 277 wins, and 610 games played.
Jump in discord and @ point restore that you have been approved, someone will sort you out when they are free
Approved for: 20186 points, 277 wins, and 610 games played.
Jump in discord and @ point restore that you have been approved, someone will sort you out when they are free
There is a video of dead ukrainian civilians in Mariupol currently doing the rounds that is holocaust-esque. Truck with dead bodies in the back, ground littered with bodies, then inside even more bodies all piled on each other.
There is also footage of supposed Azov members kneecapping a couple captured Russian POWs.
What is happening in Mariupol is going to reverberate for generations on both sides.
There is a video of dead ukrainian civilians in Mariupol currently doing the rounds that is holocaust-esque. Truck with dead bodies in the back, ground littered with bodies, then inside even more bodies all piled on each other.
There is also footage of supposed Azov members kneecapping a couple captured Russian POWs.
What is happening in Mariupol is going to reverberate for generations on both sides.
Despite what many people think, neutral gamethrowing is real and this is a good place to illustrate it. It's a non-issue for the most part because nobody gives a shit since the fallout is isolated to the thrower.
Everything this player did up until before they were converted is neutral gamethrowing. Openly claiming Auditor, with the audited Citizens to confirm the claim AND intentionally voting to ensure a faction that needs to kill them holds majority votes. This is gamethrowing at it score, not playing to your wincondition.
This is not someone deciding to not side with Cult and finding another avenue of victory (solo win). This is someone who literally does not give a shit if they win or lose and takes an active approach to hasten their loss [B]intentionally[/B].
Double throw is accurate, and illustrating this just thorough analysis for the crime people actually give a shit about (the second throw).
Despite what many people think, neutral gamethrowing is real and this is a good place to illustrate it. It's a non-issue for the most part because nobody gives a shit since the fallout is isolated to the thrower.
Everything this player did up until before they were converted is neutral gamethrowing. Openly claiming Auditor, with the audited Citizens to confirm the claim AND intentionally voting to ensure a faction that needs to kill them holds majority votes. This is gamethrowing at it score, not playing to your wincondition.
This is not someone deciding to not side with Cult and finding another avenue of victory (solo win). This is someone who literally does not give a shit if they win or lose and takes an active approach to hasten their loss intentionally.
Double throw is accurate, and illustrating this just thorough analysis for the crime people actually give a shit about (the second throw).
The most intrusive moderation during live gameplay is simply changing a name. Everything else is dealt with in the report section. Just FYI if you think the lack of live moderation = lol mods don't play.
Beyond that, don't really see what you're crying over? Based on post history you like playing with nazis and being racist so I can only infer that you also don't like that you can now be reported for being racist?
The most intrusive moderation during live gameplay is simply changing a name. Everything else is dealt with in the report section. Just FYI if you think the lack of live moderation = lol mods don't play.
Beyond that, don't really see what you're crying over? Based on post history you like playing with nazis and being racist so I can only infer that you also don't like that you can now be reported for being racist?
If there was information privy to us indicating this was more than likely Rachyl, we would ban them. That's why Rachyl was banned quickly in those threads you linked - we had without a doubt evidence it was Rachyl. All that is in this report is they were toxic and gamethrew. It could be literally any Mafia player that felt like going incognito.
Ban first, ask questions later is not how we moderate.
We punish ban evasions, not smurfing.
If there was information privy to us indicating this was more than likely Rachyl, we would ban them. That's why Rachyl was banned quickly in those threads you linked - we had without a doubt evidence it was Rachyl. All that is in this report is they were toxic and gamethrew. It could be literally any Mafia player that felt like going incognito.
Ban first, ask questions later is not how we moderate.
You were infracted in April 2013 for posting in report threads not involving you. The stickied thread saying you should not post in threads not involving you was posted February 2013.
You were infracted in April 2013 for posting in report threads not involving you. The stickied thread saying you should not post in threads not involving you was posted February 2013.
Lover could easily be retooled as guardian angel, its essentially just a stronger lover. Neutral who ensures their target wins. Limited use protection, dies in place of target if successful in protecting.
Food for thought
Lover could easily be retooled as guardian angel, its essentially just a stronger lover. Neutral who ensures their target wins. Limited use protection, dies in place of target if successful in protecting.
Some functions of the map will probably seem odd considering they were made almost a decade ago. Different times.
Good suggestions, this is in part why I bring up when anything point related is discussed in brings into question literally everything involving points. My opinion is everything needs to be re-scrutinized to see if it holds up to todays standards.
Some functions of the map will probably seem odd considering they were made almost a decade ago. Different times.
Good suggestions, this is in part why I bring up when anything point related is discussed in brings into question literally everything involving points. My opinion is everything needs to be re-scrutinized to see if it holds up to todays standards.
At the moment drowning scares me after I watched a video a woman going for one of those ice swims after a sauna or whatever. There had been a section of ice cut out, she jumped in with a pretty vertical drop but there was a current and before she resurfaced she had already been pushed under the ice sheet. They never recovered a body. I can't remember what subreddit it was but it was to do with making people aware that everyday "normal" stuff can be deadly.
I've had a healthy fear of drowning, but after seeing that kinda wanna stay away from water for awhile.
At the moment drowning scares me after I watched a video a woman going for one of those ice swims after a sauna or whatever. There had been a section of ice cut out, she jumped in with a pretty vertical drop but there was a current and before she resurfaced she had already been pushed under the ice sheet. They never recovered a body. I can't remember what subreddit it was but it was to do with making people aware that everyday "normal" stuff can be deadly.
I've had a healthy fear of drowning, but after seeing that kinda wanna stay away from water for awhile.
[QUOTE=Frinckles;952444][B]Monitoring this thread[/B], but roles are generated before prefer.
You cannot -prefer cult to invoke cult 100% of the time if it has a 0.001% to spawn.[/QUOTE]
Frinckles clearly indicates he is aware of your concern in one of the threads you linked. Discussion has happened and will keep happening regarding it until a final consensus is found. There is also a thread he made for ideas that this would fall under [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/49556-Point-Reward-Suggestions"]here[/URL]. If you want to help, throw your idea(s) in there. When looking at overhauling prefer/blacklist it brings into question the entire point system itself. Sure Frinckles could just remove the feature all together, but that's quite the kneejerk reaction that shouldn't be done until other alternatives are exhausted.
There isn't some conspiracy to ignore prefer/blacklist. Stop looking for a boogeyman that isn't there. [B]Your concern is noted and Frinckles is planning on something to resolve this[/B]. If you aren't happy that it hasn't been resolved yet, I suggest you respect that Frinckles has a life.
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Monitoring this thread, but roles are generated before prefer.
You cannot -prefer cult to invoke cult 100% of the time if it has a 0.001% to spawn.
Frinckles clearly indicates he is aware of your concern in one of the threads you linked. Discussion has happened and will keep happening regarding it until a final consensus is found. There is also a thread he made for ideas that this would fall under here. If you want to help, throw your idea(s) in there. When looking at overhauling prefer/blacklist it brings into question the entire point system itself. Sure Frinckles could just remove the feature all together, but that's quite the kneejerk reaction that shouldn't be done until other alternatives are exhausted.
There isn't some conspiracy to ignore prefer/blacklist. Stop looking for a boogeyman that isn't there. Your concern is noted and Frinckles is planning on something to resolve this. If you aren't happy that it hasn't been resolved yet, I suggest you respect that Frinckles has a life.
Giving point reward amounts considering only a select group of people isn't the best way to go about it. I don't keep up with what points most people have, but for arguments sake lets say it's between 10-30k. The break points to unlock new stuff for these players are,
11400
15240
20000
22920
30600
45950
20k would blow through too many of these high end unlocks. 10k is easier to agree to. But only for players that have 10-30k points.
If we give 10-20k points to anyone above that range, it's literally pointless. If we give it to people below the range, they blow through way too many break points. The game should still have a sense of progression despite winning this contest for most people. Afterall, the point of this contest is for the achievement. There is NO other way to obtain this achievement besides players that were given it on the spot by staff who were blown away by their play.
Giving point reward amounts considering only a select group of people isn't the best way to go about it. I don't keep up with what points most people have, but for arguments sake lets say it's between 10-30k. The break points to unlock new stuff for these players are,
11400
15240
20000
22920
30600
45950
20k would blow through too many of these high end unlocks. 10k is easier to agree to. But only for players that have 10-30k points.
If we give 10-20k points to anyone above that range, it's literally pointless. If we give it to people below the range, they blow through way too many break points. The game should still have a sense of progression despite winning this contest for most people. Afterall, the point of this contest is for the achievement. There is NO other way to obtain this achievement besides players that were given it on the spot by staff who were blown away by their play.
Well now that your perceived weakest role weakest role is removed, what's your new weakest role? Are you going to remove that role too?
Giving more charges to Street Racer will just mean they will drift endlessly until the gamestate is about to break or is already broken, and when that moment comes you are still going to be in the position of "Do we trust the SR claim?"... if you haven't lynched them already. SR being an easy claim for scum doesn't strike me as good critique of the role, there are already heaps of easy claims for scum which doesn't bother anyone. It also doesn't require the game to be in late stages to be effective, ANY day scum don't kill is a good day for town.
Street Racer is a role that requires finesse to be effective, more than what arcade players are used to. I think the more important question here is, where should Frinckles draw the line regarding what roles to add to the game? Street Racer is by no means an obscure role, but its addition clearly indicates there is a line somewhere that some arcade players do not want to cross. I mean most of us know what most players want, or where the line is. High agency roles. It's why roles like Doctor, Citizen, etc are loathed relentlessly despite them being probably the most played/used roles in Mafia outside of the custom map game.
Well now that your perceived weakest role weakest role is removed, what's your new weakest role? Are you going to remove that role too?
Giving more charges to Street Racer will just mean they will drift endlessly until the gamestate is about to break or is already broken, and when that moment comes you are still going to be in the position of "Do we trust the SR claim?"... if you haven't lynched them already. SR being an easy claim for scum doesn't strike me as good critique of the role, there are already heaps of easy claims for scum which doesn't bother anyone. It also doesn't require the game to be in late stages to be effective, ANY day scum don't kill is a good day for town.
Street Racer is a role that requires finesse to be effective, more than what arcade players are used to. I think the more important question here is, where should Frinckles draw the line regarding what roles to add to the game? Street Racer is by no means an obscure role, but its addition clearly indicates there is a line somewhere that some arcade players do not want to cross. I mean most of us know what most players want, or where the line is. High agency roles. It's why roles like Doctor, Citizen, etc are loathed relentlessly despite them being probably the most played/used roles in Mafia outside of the custom map game.
There will always be a totem pole of what's good, average and "bad" with Mafia roles. Not everything will be a top tier. The game already has the crux roles implemented, so all that is left to add are more niche leaning roles. Poisoner is probably the last NK that will be added before we are forced to start looking into rather fkn weird roles tbh.
1. Instant single kill - SK
2. Instant multi kill - MM
3. Delayed multi kill - Arson
4. Delayed single kill - Poisoner
That's pretty much all there is for "vanilla style" killing roles. All that is left is the weird fucks.
There will always be a totem pole of what's good, average and "bad" with Mafia roles. Not everything will be a top tier. The game already has the crux roles implemented, so all that is left to add are more niche leaning roles. Poisoner is probably the last NK that will be added before we are forced to start looking into rather fkn weird roles tbh.
1. Instant single kill - SK
2. Instant multi kill - MM
3. Delayed multi kill - Arson
4. Delayed single kill - Poisoner
That's pretty much all there is for "vanilla style" killing roles. All that is left is the weird fucks.
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People like to operate within the grey area of the rules but their intention for why they are doing it is glaringly obvious most of the time, hence the ban on the guy who seemingly was only just "random lynching defaults"
People like to operate within the grey area of the rules but their intention for why they are doing it is glaringly obvious most of the time, hence the ban on the guy who seemingly was only just "random lynching defaults"
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