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  1. Forum:Site Discussion

    Thread:SevenForce's Retirement

    Thread Author:SevenForce

    Post Author:Renegade

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    ►►Re: SevenForce's Retirement◄◄

    Sorry to see you go - best of luck and happy gaming.
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    ►►Re: A Statistical Analysis of Racism Across 10,790 Replays◄◄

    Finally, I'd be interested in one more thing (promise this is it), for each player for each game the percentage of messages with at least one slur.

    It is possible that racists die early (I certainly target them), so I'd want to normalize against a player's total messages in a game.
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    ►►Re: A Statistical Analysis of Racism Across 10,790 Replays◄◄

    I would be curious to look at this point further:
    The top 1.89% of players based on number of slurs used contribute 89.20% of all slurs used

    In what percentage of games from the data set are at least one of these 2% of players present in?

    EDIT

    Nevermind this was answered:

    This method filtered out 30.19% of the games from the dataset (3257 out of 10790)

    So 30% of games had one of these 2% in it.
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    ►►Re: A Statistical Analysis of Racism Across 10,790 Replays◄◄

    This is good work. Like some of your prior work, this doesn't necessarily line up with my experience. I'd be curious to run a similar analysis on my own replays.

    How are you identifying slurs?

    I'd also note you aren't including player selected names themselves.

    Additionally, I'd note that while you identify a small number of games with high slur rates, being in one of those games pretty much ruins it.
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    ►►Re: Imagine going to Vegas for gambling◄◄

    gambling is bad for you
  6. ►►Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear◄◄

    Even if god existed I wouldn't worship him. The guy has such low self esteem that he has to create us to praise him? Get a life god. What a loser.
  7. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Thread Author:Veliaire

    Post Author:Renegade

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    ►►Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    or if we look at the past 2 months versus the preceding time:
    5192 lobbies since april 8
    61 days
    85.11 lobbies per day

    13225 lobbies sep 28 to april 8
    192 days
    68.88 lobbies per day

    so a 24% increase in activity the past 2 months versus the preceding 7 months
    Do we have any data over prior year for this time?

    Hard to find comparables but even the holiday season was included in the prior period.

    Interesting.
  8. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Thread Author:Veliaire

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    ►►Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?◄◄

    Butter emails! Freeze Peach!
  9. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Thread Author:Veliaire

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    ►►Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?◄◄

    Wow trumpkins are really losing it aren't they?
  10. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Thread Author:Veliaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Voss, frankly, shut your mouth.
    You're one of the biggest griefers on the site, you griefed on Oberon for like forever because he attacked you in some game or whatever other reason.
    It was literally painful to watch you grief so openly, viciously and for so long. And now you're being hypocritical by projecting your own actions but in reverse? You're fucked up mate.

    Edit: him ignoring all your abuse and grief is him "not being anti mods for the sake of it" - ok, cool mate, whatever floats your narcissism.
    Context plz
  11. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Thread Author:Veliaire

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    ►►Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?◄◄

    For the record I stopped playing the mod due to the rampant racism. Gets tiring.
  12. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Thread Author:Veliaire

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    ►►Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    yes, u can be toxic without being raicst!
    +1
  13. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Thread Author:Veliaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veliaire View Post
    Let me put it this way, I think anti-cyberbullying laws are unconstitutional. People should be allowed to say whatever they want online, no matter how offensive. It is up to us, as individuals, to filter out what we don't want to hear. This game has a -mute feature that I use myself when someone is spamming... but I never use for stuff like racism because who cares? Seriously. They are just words. My parents told me not to let words hurt me when I was a toddler. More people should take that approach these days instead of reporting everything someone says that hurts their feelings.

    Also that last line about protecting the community I disagree with. I think censorship hurts the community, not protects it.
    That is what the sc2maf community is doing lmfaooooo
  14. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Thread Author:Veliaire

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    ►►Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?◄◄

    Freeze peach only applies to the government lulz.
  15. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Thread Author:Veliaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veliaire View Post
    So knowing how hard it is to get a game started most days, why are you banning people for speech? I don't get that. Why have a mute function if you are just going to ban people for saying stuff you don't like?
    Letting griefers and game ruiners stick around just cuz you need players doesn't make for a good game.

    Jeebus.
  16. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Do Admins actually play arcade?

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  17. Forum:Signups

    Thread:FM- AllStars 14p-16p (Old School)

    Thread Author:Mike

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    ►►Re: Your Game has a Real Racism Problem◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by elemental View Post
    I just started playing and every single game has at least 1/3 of the players openly racist and make threatening remarks.

    It is a really embarrassing look. I have only played 12 games but 10 out of 12 were super racist.
    Sad but true.
  19. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Aamirus is a liar

    Thread Author:CuteTheCutie

    Post Author:Renegade

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    ►►Re: Aamirus is a liar◄◄

    Goofy and sad.
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    ►►Re: Should Honest Men, reveal their roles to Jailor?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by LagAttack View Post
    I noticed you tagged this thread with the game theory tag. So I will approach it from a game theory perspective.

    Spoiler : post :
    The Honest Prisoner's Dilemma:
    (This is nothing like the prisoner's dilemma, the name is a pun, leave me alone)





    You can think of alpha as the gain you get from not being auto-executed by a town Jailor for not claiming a role.
    You can think of beta as the gain you get from not revealing your role to a regular player that rolled kidnapper and know you're town, so they're executing you no matter what you say.
    You can think of gamma as the gain you get from not revealing your role to a new player that rolled kidnapper and doesn't know what you are, so they might spare you because you didn't claim a role - like what a neut evil caught in the headlights might do.

    And here's the issue with the Honest Prisoner remaining silent:
    The ration between regular players that know what you prefer/blacklist, and new players that don't is PROBABLY somewhere around 1 to 1. Being generous we can even say that there are twice as many regular players that have played enough to know your meta as new players.

    We'll be generous again and assume that the expected number of jailors is twice the expected number of kidnappers. This is being VERY generous - it's rare to see a setup like that, the ratio is usually closer to 4:1. But alpha is certainly greater than gamma, which means Ja - Ky > a - even when being very generous in your favor.

    Which means in order for the ratio to be greater than 1, you need at the very least for 14 beta/alpha to be greater than 1, and beta represents the utility gain from staying silent rather than giving a regular player that knows you're town your role.

    They are executing you anyway if they are a regular player that jailed you because they know you're town. The only utility you could possibly get here is if they ALSO have a Janitor and they perhaps decide they want to sanitize your role as well?

    But even that utility gain is extremely marginal when compared to the utility gain you get from alpha (not auto-dying to town jailors)

    So as a result it is very, very unlikely that 14 beta/alpha is greater than 1. And this was with all the most generous assumptions in place, in reality it's probably not even close and remaining silent is an inferior strategy.

    TL;DR The solution to the Honest Man's prisoner dilemma is to give your role every time. Remaining silent does NOT get the Lag's Game Theory Analysis seal of approval.

    Jebus - you even used LaTeX. I must spread rep around before giving you more.
  21. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:Inflation

    Thread Author:Helz

    Post Author:Renegade

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    ►►Re: Inflation◄◄

    I've started investing (on top of saving for retirement) as my hedge against long term inflation. Nothing crazy with options, but a lot of index funds and no emotional trades, just invest and let it sit.

    Interest rate hikes are going to happen and there will be some minor panic, but I think this will be buffeted by the large increase in consumer spending as the pandemic winds down, but I'm no economist.
  22. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:''Living''

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    ►►Re: ''Living''◄◄

    Entropy will win in the long run and nothing will matter.
  23. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Song Request

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    ►►Re: Song Request◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    @Renegade
    Don't be shy
    I'm shy?

    ;)
  24. Forum:Mafia Bug Reports

    Thread:Witch Veteran Bug

    Thread Author:Yodaddy2

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    [Mechanics] ►►Re: Witch Veteran Bug◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    * Target switches and role-blockers
    Priority order is Witches, Bus Drivers, then role-blockers (Escort or Consort). It then repeats that cycle a random number of times to deal with complicated webs of events and paradoxes.
    Nooooo random is no fun.

    Must be deterministic!

    Like the universe.
  25. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Song Request

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    if you're being sarcastic, that has to be the bitchiest, most indirect ill-wish towards anyone i ever heard.

    if you don't talk out of ur ass for at least one second, perhaps we can actually be on neutral terms with each other. unless u really want me to be a constant pain in the ass for the rest of your life ^-^
    This is signature worthy.
  26. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Racist names (yes this again)

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Yes, but freedom of speech does not apply to a private game.
    (it's debatable if it applies to a public forum.)
    When I brought up freeze peach, I meant that the underlying principle/argument is the same, not that it should be applied in exactly the same way.
  27. Forum:Closed Signups (S-FM)

    Thread:S-FM 327: Last Hope (14P) Signups

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  28. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Racist names (yes this again)

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I don't think I can make my point more succinctly than this, and if I did, I would just be repeating myself. My argument has nothing to do with free speech. As you both made arguments against a point I didn't make, I'm going to leave it at that.
    It is the same underlying principle. That being:

    stupid excuses for bullshit.

    You shouldn't be offended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Apparently taking issue with this behavior is a "mental problem", actually it is the reverse.
  29. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Racist names (yes this again)

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I can't believe you're still going off about that. :shrug:
    People shouldn't forget that a staff member (SCvMurderer) created a clan to explicitly grief the game and shielded his flunkies from repercussions under the guise of "Oh I'll talk to him!" while griefing themselves.
  30. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Racist names (yes this again)

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    ►►Re: Racist names (yes this again)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by LagAttack View Post
    I quickly wrote some python code to parse the 373 games I have played in since returning to SC2Mafia.

    For simplicity I just calculated usages of the n-word - since almost every player that thinks racism is fun uses that slur often

    For each player I played with I calculated:
    • The number of games I've played with them
    • The number of games in which they used the slur
    • The total number of times they used the slur


    And for each game I counted the number of times the slur was used in the game.

    Here are the results:
    Game Statistics
    • 62.2% (232/373) games do not have the slur in them at all
    • 90.8% (339/373) games have the slur used 4 or less times in total among all players over the course of the game
    • Only 4.3% (16/373) games have the slur used more than 10 times in total


    Player Statistics
    • 89.4% (693/775) of the players I've played with have literally NEVER used the word
    • 96.0% (744/775) of the players have used the word only 4 times or less over ALL games I've played with them
    • That bottom of the barrel 4.0% contributes 93.9% (1491/1588 ) of the usages of the word
    • When you filter out players whom I've played less than 5 games with, there are only 14 players who have used the word more than 10 times
    • These 14 "regulars" contribute 67.6% (1074/1588 ) of the usages usages of the word


    Now this was just looking at a single (albeit by far the most common) slur - but all manners of slurs likely follow a very similar distribution.

    SC2 Mafia's racism problems are NOT due to a widespread problem with the "culture" of the game. The problems are NOT due to new players or infrequent players that use the game as a playground to grief. The problems are created and perpetuated by a very small but very vocal group of regular players that push the idea that using slurs and casual racism is okay. It's not.

    I've seen these people claim that "everyone" uses slurs or racism in mafia - so fighting the problem isn't possible. That's simply not true. The group that contribute the large majority of the problem isn't even large enough to fill a full 15 player lobby.
    Impressive. The results run counter to my experience though, I'd be interested in running the script on my replays, I've got quite a few.
  31. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Racist names (yes this again)

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I can't even begin to understand why what someone names themself in the game is an issue. I said this before with regards to the pedophilia spam, and I'll say it again. It seems to me people just created a mental problem for themselves wherein they see "spams racist stuff/says the n-word" -> encourages/(commits! even) racism/pedophilia. Throwing racist/pedophilia jokes/quips/ect does not mean you are committing either of those things... you are not raping children by naming yourself "I RAPE KIDS" or whatever.
    It is degeneracy at its most disgusting and I don't want to play a game with griefers who spam that shit.

    Yeah yeah libertarian freeze peach yada yada nobody cares. People need to learn how to function in society, in the real world, and grow up from this shit.
  32. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Racist names (yes this again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    over 3 years ago (feb 2018 ) in the report in-question, you added 2 additional replays that were over 2 months old. However, the reason these replays were not considered is that during the 2 months since those games occurred, the player had already been punished for the same behavior and appealed saying they would not do it again.
    My point exactly.
  33. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Racist names (yes this again)

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    Excessive spam has always been reportable under griefing. The only real change recently is adding names like "I RAPE YOUR 6 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER" and "ALL NIGGERS MUST DIE" to name abuse.
    Except when it was from the CHOOOO clan. "This report is 3 weeks old, too old -> ignored"
  34. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Racist names (yes this again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    tbh I would want to experience a meta where people can't be anonymous. sounds fun. @Frinckles any way to perhaps make that an available option for hosts in their setups?
    I'm not sure if you are joking or not but it already is a setting, most people hate it.

    The reason I hate it is all the goofy italian names end up being too similar. If they were more diversified or themed that would be fun. Think LOTR character names or something. Or pokimon.
  35. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Racist names (yes this again)

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    gEnEraL BeLLiGeReNce because I attacked people from Skwirl who have been extremely shitty to me.
    Wow. Yeah skwirl is another griefer clan formed around the same time as so called "CHOOOO" who floods games with their clann members and then coordinates.

    Goofy
  36. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Racist names (yes this again)

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    I honestly don’t care anymore and am just following the general trend the U.S. is going in. This site is becoming another Pokemon Showdown, I know because I just received my first infraction and am about to get banned.

    I don’t give a shit, mods just do your fucking thing pls

    I don’t know why it’s so hard for ppl to accept that others have different values. Fuck this thread and the shitstorm it will cause. Fuck Marshmallow Marsh for negative-repping me because “I’m anti-politics yet am aggressive on that very matter.”
    Infraction for what??
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    [Misc. Suggestion] ►►Re: Petition to Nerf Prefer/Blacklist◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I haven't read any of this, but I just want to say in case it wasn't mentioned yet - goal and reward is an important part of game design. Don't just remove it.

    The best games are, imho, the ones where your "score" is compared to that of other players or your friends or some average. Sadly that's not a option in a game like this. (Displaying everyone's win % at end of game could be a strong motivator?)

    So leave it as is imho.
    Maybe some sort of elo system would be better than a skinner box, but I'm not sure how that could be implemented.
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    [Misc. Suggestion] ►►Re: Petition to Nerf Prefer/Blacklist◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    wtf, do u know how many games ppl have to play to get to 10k or 20k??

    it's like xship and color names. both are annoying as fuck, but both features were EARNED through HARD WORK!!!

    also, vast majority of sc2maf players aren't smart enough to know what ur saying about other ppl probably not having ur role if u don't get it, mr. mostache. it would be even harder to convince them

    FUCK

    FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!
    Can't you just become a donor to get points?

    Pay2Win?
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    [Misc. Suggestion] ►►Re: Petition to Nerf Prefer/Blacklist◄◄

    Signed 100%.

    Ruins the spirit of the game.
  40. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:UWU

    Thread Author:theoneceko

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    ►►Re: UWU◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    There's a reason he's writing in Cultist-like color...

    oh no

    UWUWUWUWUWUWUWUUWUWUWU
    Cult is broken game mechanic
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    ►►Re: Laptop acting up/ disconnection◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    if u can't handle racial slurs that aren't directed toward you and people "ruining" the beauty of a random arcade game by leaving/throwing, then don't say anything. i'm being nice here
    ?????
  42. Forum:Site Discussion

    Thread:Forum Style

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    ►►Re: Forum Style◄◄

    Interesting, kind of trippy. FYI I had to hit a button off to the right "enable user customizations" to see it.
  43. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:The future "racism"

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    ►►Re: The future "racism"◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    @MartinGG99
    Today I was thinking "I could totally see ISTPs being misdiagnosed as with Asperger's", so I just wanted to ask you if you know your MBTI type by any chance? Just curious, it's ok if you don't.
    What's your MTBI?
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    ►►Re: Laptop acting up/ disconnection◄◄

    Hmmm, fake news?
  45. Forum:News

    Thread:Discord Mafia Group!

    Thread Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Discord Mafia Group!◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    The only genuinely good arcade games that are still alive are Parasite and Mafia. The rest is either uninteresting or dead.
    Nexus Squadron Strike.

    I can teach you how to play.

    Random unit costs each game make it so much more interesting than Desert Strike and whatever else is out there.
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    ►►Re: The End of the 72222 Experiment Results.◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Cult roles shouldn't exist in any form of Mafia games..
    Cult is broken game mechanic.
  47. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:UWU

    Thread Author:theoneceko

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    ►►Re: UWU◄◄

    This was a trap?
  48. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:The future "racism"

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    There's clearly some people in this thread that falls under the neurodivergent category, not including Martin.
    What are you trying to say?
  49. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:The future "racism"

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    The apparent increase in neurodivergence is probably just better estimation of the baseline for most of it. Better diagnostic tests and awareness around autism is my guess.
  50. Forum:News

    Thread:Discord Mafia Group!

    Thread Author:SuperJack

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    ►►Re: Discord Mafia Group!◄◄

    Might not be able to play tonight (mic is broken) but joined for future, looks fun. Thanks
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