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Oh looks like it was already confirmed.

Oh looks like it was already confirmed.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;987720]Upon special request, a hydra/archon of two players (Nancy Drew and Italiano) is being allowed, name of the slot yet is to be determined. Its not my intention to have this game be full of hydras due to various concerns so future requests may be declined.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. The name of the hydra will be called The Scarlet Letters. ;)

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Upon special request, a hydra/archon of two players (Nancy Drew and Italiano) is being allowed, name of the slot yet is to be determined. Its not my intention to have this game be full of hydras due to various concerns so future requests may be declined.

Thank you. The name of the hydra will be called The Scarlet Letters. ;)

What’s up Furtive!

What’s up Furtive!

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[QUOTE=Renegade;985154]Lmfao. What is your reasoning behind this vote now?[/QUOTE]

Good luck getting an answer. :)

Originally Posted by Renegade

Lmfao. What is your reasoning behind this vote now?

Good luck getting an answer.

[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;985153]Trs, I have a few players I like. It’s probably rn between who I feel most confident avout and who I have no idea.

It’s looking like an Awt vs. Yoshida wagon rn and I don’t understand the Yoshida wagon.[/QUOTE]

Nancy have you not had the time to really get in the game because I feel like you’re not really engaged, but that could just be me.

Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39

Trs, I have a few players I like. It’s probably rn between who I feel most confident avout and who I have no idea.

It’s looking like an Awt vs. Yoshida wagon rn and I don’t understand the Yoshida wagon.

Nancy have you not had the time to really get in the game because I feel like you’re not really engaged, but that could just be me.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;985134]It's not that I dislike the wagon. I just think there really isn't any solid reasoning behind the wagon. I find myself disagreeing with all the reasons behind it excpt for Frinckles saying he'd rather let jester!yoshida win than jester!clemensthelemon.[/QUOTE]

So then you do dislike the wagon?

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

It's not that I dislike the wagon. I just think there really isn't any solid reasoning behind the wagon. I find myself disagreeing with all the reasons behind it excpt for Frinckles saying he'd rather let jester!yoshida win than jester!clemensthelemon.

So then you do dislike the wagon?

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;985144]you sill have 1 hour[/QUOTE]

Yeah I meant I should be current with what’s happening now and can always catch up with the prior pages on Day 3.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

you sill have 1 hour

Yeah I meant I should be current with what’s happening now and can always catch up with the prior pages on Day 3.

I’m fine here.

[vote]Auwt[/vote]

I could be wrong about Yoshida, but I definitely don’t like the wagon.

I’m fine here.

-vote Auwt

I could be wrong about Yoshida, but I definitely don’t like the wagon.

I won’t be voting Yoshida today.

I won’t be voting Yoshida today.

Maybe I should catch up later since we don’t have that much time left.

Maybe I should catch up later since we don’t have that much time left.

[QUOTE=yoshida;984933]I would also appreciate if everyone could give their thoughts on clemens situation and benefits/harms of skipping the day since we have 6 hours left.[/QUOTE]

It’s amazing how there is always a player like Clemens in every game I’ve played lol. The unreadable, low activity, obscure posting type. I don’t know, even with the weird posting, I kinda townread Clemens lol, I might be in the majority, but I also think anyone defaulting here I’d have to be suspicious of. It’s too easy imo.

Originally Posted by yoshida

I would also appreciate if everyone could give their thoughts on clemens situation and benefits/harms of skipping the day since we have 6 hours left.

It’s amazing how there is always a player like Clemens in every game I’ve played lol. The unreadable, low activity, obscure posting type. I don’t know, even with the weird posting, I kinda townread Clemens lol, I might be in the majority, but I also think anyone defaulting here I’d have to be suspicious of. It’s too easy imo.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;984932]I know that wasn't directed at me, but that's precisely why a lot of people throw their vote around in rvs and it adds value to vca the following day. You can see the progression of thought (or lack thereof) even if it's called "random." If you make the vote trend predictable for competent wolves, they will railroad the town off a cliff every time because it's easy to see who is actively involved in the thread and who is most likely going to change their vote.

I'm not saying rvs every day or anything, but for the first votable day, I think it's fine to have a few players doing it. Nothing scares the shit out of wolves more than the uncertainty of whether 4+ votes come crashing down on them with few hours to spare. And during that kind of uncertainty, it's a lot easier for us to tell who is a wolf freaking out, and who is a town who is in a predicament.[/QUOTE]

That is the other side of RVS I don’t necessarily want to completely disregard and I still reasonably understand the idea, I think it just tends to get abused often.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

I know that wasn't directed at me, but that's precisely why a lot of people throw their vote around in rvs and it adds value to vca the following day. You can see the progression of thought (or lack thereof) even if it's called "random." If you make the vote trend predictable for competent wolves, they will railroad the town off a cliff every time because it's easy to see who is actively involved in the thread and who is most likely going to change their vote.

I'm not saying rvs every day or anything, but for the first votable day, I think it's fine to have a few players doing it. Nothing scares the shit out of wolves more than the uncertainty of whether 4+ votes come crashing down on them with few hours to spare. And during that kind of uncertainty, it's a lot easier for us to tell who is a wolf freaking out, and who is a town who is in a predicament.

That is the other side of RVS I don’t necessarily want to completely disregard and I still reasonably understand the idea, I think it just tends to get abused often.

[MENTION=46535]ItalianoVD[/MENTION] sorry I missed your question about Ren. If his meta is still the same, yeah he either gets frustrated or carefully (with partners around) when he rolls scum. When he's town he just plays like every doctor ever.[/QUOTE]

Got it. Thank you.

@ItalianoVD sorry I missed your question about Ren. If his meta is still the same, yeah he either gets frustrated or carefully (with partners around) when he rolls scum. When he's town he just plays like every doctor ever.[/QUOTE]

Got it. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Loldebite;984832]Uh, okay, interesting. What is it you liked exactly ? Cuz I really felt like I'd just ate a huge nothingburger after reading that[/QUOTE]

First I like this…

[QUOTE=yoshida;984787]I have been in 2 games with Jester and I must admit I dislike Jester games as it gives too much room for the mafia especially given how some players from either alignment can start behaving like Jester at any point.[/QUOTE]

Because I agree with it 100%. I myself have been Jester and I have been wolf who acted like Jester because the role gives a lot of room to move the way you want and because people don’t generally want to lunch the Jester, it’s a perfect role for scum to hide behind. That’s a townie concern. Don’t think scum would make reference to this because it takes away one of their tools.

I also liked this…

[QUOTE=yoshida;984787]Additionally, I have observed a considerable level of activity in the RVS, with players neglecting to consider the potential consequences and how they may impact future reads of the game, particularly wagonomics.[/QUOTE]

As we play more games you will see I don’t particularly like RVS and the quicker we can get out of it the better imo. It’s another tool scum can use to hide behind, but also I personally wish people would see their vote as more crucial and not to just throw it around. Like if I’m voting you I think you’re scum, if I’m not I think you’re town. I know it probably seems simple or basic, but in all my years of playing forum mafia, this is the conclusion I’ve come to.

Couple all of that was his inexperience and I don’t think I’d ever see scum!Yoshida here.

Originally Posted by Loldebite

Uh, okay, interesting. What is it you liked exactly ? Cuz I really felt like I'd just ate a huge nothingburger after reading that

First I like this…

Originally Posted by yoshida

I have been in 2 games with Jester and I must admit I dislike Jester games as it gives too much room for the mafia especially given how some players from either alignment can start behaving like Jester at any point.

Because I agree with it 100%. I myself have been Jester and I have been wolf who acted like Jester because the role gives a lot of room to move the way you want and because people don’t generally want to lunch the Jester, it’s a perfect role for scum to hide behind. That’s a townie concern. Don’t think scum would make reference to this because it takes away one of their tools.

I also liked this…

Originally Posted by yoshida

Additionally, I have observed a considerable level of activity in the RVS, with players neglecting to consider the potential consequences and how they may impact future reads of the game, particularly wagonomics.

As we play more games you will see I don’t particularly like RVS and the quicker we can get out of it the better imo. It’s another tool scum can use to hide behind, but also I personally wish people would see their vote as more crucial and not to just throw it around. Like if I’m voting you I think you’re scum, if I’m not I think you’re town. I know it probably seems simple or basic, but in all my years of playing forum mafia, this is the conclusion I’ve come to.

Couple all of that was his inexperience and I don’t think I’d ever see scum!Yoshida here.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;984817]I do not scumread Renegade at this point in time.

I do however townlean Buster.

In case you missed it, I'll sum up why I do.

1. In Sign up, it was clear he is an arcade player and this is his first FM. I hope this is not a lie because that is a douche way of introducing yourself.
2. I used to play A LOT of arcade. I know how the game goes in that game. Basically, if someone finds literally ANYTHING out of ordinary or says something you don't agree with, you will get pushed for it. Because of the rapid nature of arcade, you don't really need to voice reasons why. Usually the louder the voice and the more aggressive nature of the push, you usually get the mob to hop on.
Buster was showing exactly this. He saw something he thought was not right. He started pushing. Then when I dared to ask for explanation, he saw this as an attempt to defend renegade. I at first thought it is an obvious jester play where he would false lynch someone then get killed for it. But he doubles, triples down on his attitude. I think I can see that he is yet to see the difference in between arcade and FM set ups. If you look at him as a brand new player that has alot of games in arcade but has no idea about how to play in FM, then you will understand where he is coming from.
3. He is likely NOT mafia pretending to be a jester. Putting aside higher level of play required for this, he has put himself in a spotlight. I would think it makes more sense that this kind of play is better off if made subtly.
4. He is likely NOT chaos exe. His case on Ren was made on Day 1. Sure, you could say he got chaos exe. Makes case about Ren, Give Ren a role the following night. But is that more likely than him being a town or jester? I personally don't think so.[/QUOTE]

This is a great post and makes a lot of sense. Going the new route is fair route to go I'd say. Okay, you’ve convinced me. :)

[unvote]BusterCannon[/unvote]

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

I do not scumread Renegade at this point in time.

I do however townlean Buster.

In case you missed it, I'll sum up why I do.

1. In Sign up, it was clear he is an arcade player and this is his first FM. I hope this is not a lie because that is a douche way of introducing yourself.
2. I used to play A LOT of arcade. I know how the game goes in that game. Basically, if someone finds literally ANYTHING out of ordinary or says something you don't agree with, you will get pushed for it. Because of the rapid nature of arcade, you don't really need to voice reasons why. Usually the louder the voice and the more aggressive nature of the push, you usually get the mob to hop on.
Buster was showing exactly this. He saw something he thought was not right. He started pushing. Then when I dared to ask for explanation, he saw this as an attempt to defend renegade. I at first thought it is an obvious jester play where he would false lynch someone then get killed for it. But he doubles, triples down on his attitude. I think I can see that he is yet to see the difference in between arcade and FM set ups. If you look at him as a brand new player that has alot of games in arcade but has no idea about how to play in FM, then you will understand where he is coming from.
3. He is likely NOT mafia pretending to be a jester. Putting aside higher level of play required for this, he has put himself in a spotlight. I would think it makes more sense that this kind of play is better off if made subtly.
4. He is likely NOT chaos exe. His case on Ren was made on Day 1. Sure, you could say he got chaos exe. Makes case about Ren, Give Ren a role the following night. But is that more likely than him being a town or jester? I personally don't think so.

This is a great post and makes a lot of sense. Going the new route is fair route to go I'd say. Okay, you’ve convinced me.

-unvote

[QUOTE=ItalianoVD;984512]I feel villagery vibes from Yoshida, Renegade, and to a bit lesser extent from lol. Reason for this is through their posts. I read people tonally and by trying to figure out if what they'd say is alignment indicative. I know everyone does this and it's pretty par for the course, but it's my main course of action. I don't do mechanics, so gameplay is really important for me. With that being said, [SIZE=3]I have the opposite feeling when I read BusterCannon and Frinckles' post.[/SIZE] I didn't like BusterCannon's reasoning for being suspicious of Renegade and when I asked about it he didn't acknowledge it.

[vote]BusterCannon[/vote][/QUOTE]

This is where I was and still am.

Originally Posted by ItalianoVD

I feel villagery vibes from Yoshida, Renegade, and to a bit lesser extent from lol. Reason for this is through their posts. I read people tonally and by trying to figure out if what they'd say is alignment indicative. I know everyone does this and it's pretty par for the course, but it's my main course of action. I don't do mechanics, so gameplay is really important for me. With that being said, I have the opposite feeling when I read BusterCannon and Frinckles' post. I didn't like BusterCannon's reasoning for being suspicious of Renegade and when I asked about it he didn't acknowledge it.

-vote BusterCannon

This is where I was and still am.

[QUOTE=Renegade;984793]I actually find ikarus more townie than Frinckles.

Frinckles has a dismissive attitude that reminds me of his scum games.[/QUOTE]

After reading over ikarus' iso again, I think I was mistaken when I said Frinckles was the townier of the two. ikarus was the one who was actually engaging and interacting and tonally sounded like town. My mistake.

Originally Posted by Renegade

I actually find ikarus more townie than Frinckles.

Frinckles has a dismissive attitude that reminds me of his scum games.

After reading over ikarus' iso again, I think I was mistaken when I said Frinckles was the townier of the two. ikarus was the one who was actually engaging and interacting and tonally sounded like town. My mistake.

[QUOTE=clemensthelemon;984454]all gyea my style of posting is kinda unique/chaoticBRUHwon't even let me quote hereI swear in mafiascum at least I could quote[/QUOTE]

Who were you in mafiascum?

Originally Posted by clemensthelemon

all gyea my style of posting is kinda unique/chaoticBRUHwon't even let me quote hereI swear in mafiascum at least I could quote

Who were you in mafiascum?

[QUOTE=yoshida;984787]Good Evening! I am here :)

Until post #367, I have diligently examined the contributions of every player. While I have only had the chance to briefly look at newer posts, I intend to analyze them tonight.

At first glance, I am pleased to notice a shift in focus from a stagnant discussion of roles to discussion of reads.

I will share my thoughts on other players in a subsequent post later tonight. However, if you are asking about my general thoughts thus far, then I have to tell you I am not a good forum mafia player. With a modest 10 games under my belt and a 50% winrate, I am relatively new to this. I have been in 2 games with Jester and I must admit I dislike Jester games as it gives too much room for the mafia especially given how some players from either alignment can start behaving like Jester at any point. This is one of the things I have been trying to figure out earlier regarding ikarus, particularly in light of the mention that they may have received coaching from a champ. Considering this information, a push in that direction would be worthwhile effort since I found their involvement rather hollow and further led me to find gaps between their reads and reasoning.


Additionally, I have observed a considerable level of activity in the RVS, with players neglecting to consider the potential consequences and how they may impact future reads of the game, particularly wagonomics. I am willing to hear your further thoughts on the game [MENTION=46535]ItalianoVD[/MENTION][/QUOTE]

I really like the way you break things down Yoshida, even though you say you are somewhat inexperienced, especially your last paragraph. I agree that a lot of players don't really cherish their votes and pretty much throw it around like it doesn't mean anything, sometimes even voting for townreads or voting for someone just to "get them active" both of which are pretty weird to me. I like your analysis and look forward to more of it as the game progresses. :)

Originally Posted by yoshida

Good Evening! I am here

Until post #367, I have diligently examined the contributions of every player. While I have only had the chance to briefly look at newer posts, I intend to analyze them tonight.

At first glance, I am pleased to notice a shift in focus from a stagnant discussion of roles to discussion of reads.

I will share my thoughts on other players in a subsequent post later tonight. However, if you are asking about my general thoughts thus far, then I have to tell you I am not a good forum mafia player. With a modest 10 games under my belt and a 50% winrate, I am relatively new to this. I have been in 2 games with Jester and I must admit I dislike Jester games as it gives too much room for the mafia especially given how some players from either alignment can start behaving like Jester at any point. This is one of the things I have been trying to figure out earlier regarding ikarus, particularly in light of the mention that they may have received coaching from a champ. Considering this information, a push in that direction would be worthwhile effort since I found their involvement rather hollow and further led me to find gaps between their reads and reasoning.


Additionally, I have observed a considerable level of activity in the RVS, with players neglecting to consider the potential consequences and how they may impact future reads of the game, particularly wagonomics. I am willing to hear your further thoughts on the game @ItalianoVD

I really like the way you break things down Yoshida, even though you say you are somewhat inexperienced, especially your last paragraph. I agree that a lot of players don't really cherish their votes and pretty much throw it around like it doesn't mean anything, sometimes even voting for townreads or voting for someone just to "get them active" both of which are pretty weird to me. I like your analysis and look forward to more of it as the game progresses.

[QUOTE=ItalianoVD;984785]Stellaria, Nancy, Renegade, Gikkle, loldebite, and Martin all feel like town to me.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, forgot Yoshida.

Originally Posted by ItalianoVD

Stellaria, Nancy, Renegade, Gikkle, loldebite, and Martin all feel like town to me.

Sorry, forgot Yoshida.

Hmm perhaps I am overlooking the "townread the one who scumreads me" scum tactic possibly being employed by Renegade.

[QUOTE=Renegade;984782]This.

And one thing that concerns me about Buster is that I'm not sure if he's just acting like a newb or acting more maliciously as say a Jester.

I'd give it 65% town 35% jester. But that is higher than expected Jester average for any given player.[/QUOTE]

It could just be playstyle, but in this hypothetical scenario Renegade knows BusterCannon is town and instead of going after the person who suspects him (which seems more like a townie response, especially given the ridiculous reason) he tries to "guide a newbie" as he has stated and even believes he is town.

For those that scumread Renegade, tell me in your best case why I should be scumreading Renegade.

For those that townread BusterCannon, tell me in your best case why I should be townreading Buster.

[MENTION=34329]Frinckles[/MENTION]: You said that scum!Renegade will show himself eventually. Is that in voting patterns or in posting? What is it that we should be looking for?

Hmm perhaps I am overlooking the "townread the one who scumreads me" scum tactic possibly being employed by Renegade.

Originally Posted by Renegade

This.

And one thing that concerns me about Buster is that I'm not sure if he's just acting like a newb or acting more maliciously as say a Jester.

I'd give it 65% town 35% jester. But that is higher than expected Jester average for any given player.

It could just be playstyle, but in this hypothetical scenario Renegade knows BusterCannon is town and instead of going after the person who suspects him (which seems more like a townie response, especially given the ridiculous reason) he tries to "guide a newbie" as he has stated and even believes he is town.

For those that scumread Renegade, tell me in your best case why I should be scumreading Renegade.

For those that townread BusterCannon, tell me in your best case why I should be townreading Buster.

@Frinckles : You said that scum!Renegade will show himself eventually. Is that in voting patterns or in posting? What is it that we should be looking for?

I'm also waiting for the dynamic between ikarus and Frinckles to evolve. Frinckles seems more like the town between the two, but he could just be really good at sounding townie.

I'm also waiting for the dynamic between ikarus and Frinckles to evolve. Frinckles seems more like the town between the two, but he could just be really good at sounding townie.

Stellaria, Nancy, Renegade, Gikkle, loldebite, and Martin all feel like town to me.

Stellaria, Nancy, Renegade, Gikkle, loldebite, and Martin all feel like town to me.

[QUOTE=Gikkle;984780]What if this is buster's attempt at distancing from his scum buddy renegade :thinkingintensifies[/QUOTE]

While I guess it's possible, what would be the logic or benefit behind bussing your partner this early when you could simply not do so.

Originally Posted by Gikkle

What if this is buster's attempt at distancing from his scum buddy renegade

While I guess it's possible, what would be the logic or benefit behind bussing your partner this early when you could simply not do so.

[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;984607]Interesting, Ren actually sounds more like a jester to me since they’re trying pretty hard to be cagey.

Buster could be jester but he’s trying pretty hard to look town.

That kind of aggression generally is more likely to either come from tunnelly town or scum.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think Renegade is being cagey at all. Sounds like they’re just trying to understand why they are being scumread or sussed.

By saying “trying pretty hard to look town” are you saying you think it’s LAMIST or that he is successfully looking town?

Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39

Interesting, Ren actually sounds more like a jester to me since they’re trying pretty hard to be cagey.

Buster could be jester but he’s trying pretty hard to look town.

That kind of aggression generally is more likely to either come from tunnelly town or scum.

I don’t think Renegade is being cagey at all. Sounds like they’re just trying to understand why they are being scumread or sussed.

By saying “trying pretty hard to look town” are you saying you think it’s LAMIST or that he is successfully looking town?

[MENTION=46541]yoshida[/MENTION], what are your thoughts so far on the game?

@yoshida , what are your thoughts so far on the game?

[QUOTE=Renegade;984605]Honestly I don't understand how the proposal does anything but add a ton of confusion to the game.[/QUOTE]

Duly noted.

Originally Posted by Renegade

Honestly I don't understand how the proposal does anything but add a ton of confusion to the game.

Duly noted.

[QUOTE=Gikkle;984571]Stellaria and Buster are currently lean town in my head rn. Also mildly ikaru? Probably less than the former two.[/QUOTE]
Can you explain why you think Buster is town and seemingly as strongly as you’ve implied?

Originally Posted by Gikkle

Stellaria and Buster are currently lean town in my head rn. Also mildly ikaru? Probably less than the former two.

Can you explain why you think Buster is town and seemingly as strongly as you’ve implied?

[QUOTE=Gikkle;984574]I can maybe see yoshida but why renegade or lol?[/QUOTE]

Renegade’s reaction to being sussed on Day 1 felt like a townie response. If they were mafia, I doubt they would care and perhaps would just omgus or not even bring attention it. I think the fact that Buster’s reasoning or lack thereof for sussing Renegade and subsequently voting for him makes it a lot easier for me to see Renegade as town.

Originally Posted by Gikkle

I can maybe see yoshida but why renegade or lol?

Renegade’s reaction to being sussed on Day 1 felt like a townie response. If they were mafia, I doubt they would care and perhaps would just omgus or not even bring attention it. I think the fact that Buster’s reasoning or lack thereof for sussing Renegade and subsequently voting for him makes it a lot easier for me to see Renegade as town.

Well I'm off to bed. Nice talking to you guys. I'll be back tomorrow. Ciao. :)

Well I'm off to bed. Nice talking to you guys. I'll be back tomorrow. Ciao.

[QUOTE=Stellaria;984545]maybe that's awful reasoning but I guess I kind of also like the questions you're asking too[/QUOTE]

Eh, it's Day 2, it's okay to have awful reasoning early on. ;) I've learned not to talk about things I don't know about and mechanics is a weak point for me and that's why I didn't really engage on Day 1 about what would be best to vote for, etc.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

maybe that's awful reasoning but I guess I kind of also like the questions you're asking too

Eh, it's Day 2, it's okay to have awful reasoning early on. ;) I've learned not to talk about things I don't know about and mechanics is a weak point for me and that's why I didn't really engage on Day 1 about what would be best to vote for, etc.

[QUOTE=Stellaria;984544]idk, tonally your posts kinda remind me a lot of the people from my home community so I guess I like it because of that[/QUOTE]

Where's that?

Originally Posted by Stellaria

idk, tonally your posts kinda remind me a lot of the people from my home community so I guess I like it because of that

Where's that?

[QUOTE=Stellaria;984543]kinda vibing with ItalianoVD rn[/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/7LKssteBRjXVK/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Originally Posted by Stellaria

kinda vibing with ItalianoVD rn

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;984536]eh, I am just putting it aside as a banter vote. It was day 1 anyway. Doesn't mean I am ignoring it though. I have wrote his name my book of grudges though for easier reference in the future.

We have played KRC together, and I used to play alot of arcade mode.[/QUOTE]

Ah, duly noted. I'd like to see where you're interaction goes as the days transpire. :)

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

eh, I am just putting it aside as a banter vote. It was day 1 anyway. Doesn't mean I am ignoring it though. I have wrote his name my book of grudges though for easier reference in the future.

We have played KRC together, and I used to play alot of arcade mode.

Ah, duly noted. I'd like to see where you're interaction goes as the days transpire.

[QUOTE=ItalianoVD;984512]I feel villagery vibes from Yoshida, Renegade, and to a bit lesser extent from lol. Reason for this is through their posts. I read people tonally and by trying to figure out if what they'd say is alignment indicative. I know everyone does this and it's pretty par for the course, but it's my main course of action. I don't do mechanics, so gameplay is really important for me. With that being said, I have the opposite feeling when I read BusterCannon and Frinckles' post. I didn't like BusterCannon's reasoning for being suspicious of Renegade and when I asked about it he didn't acknowledge it.

[vote]BusterCannon[/vote][/QUOTE]

Now that I think about it, he could be Jester; taking his total posts into account, but I think it's more likely that it's mafia trying to play like Jester like Ikarus mentioned.

Originally Posted by ItalianoVD

I feel villagery vibes from Yoshida, Renegade, and to a bit lesser extent from lol. Reason for this is through their posts. I read people tonally and by trying to figure out if what they'd say is alignment indicative. I know everyone does this and it's pretty par for the course, but it's my main course of action. I don't do mechanics, so gameplay is really important for me. With that being said, I have the opposite feeling when I read BusterCannon and Frinckles' post. I didn't like BusterCannon's reasoning for being suspicious of Renegade and when I asked about it he didn't acknowledge it.

-vote BusterCannon

Now that I think about it, he could be Jester; taking his total posts into account, but I think it's more likely that it's mafia trying to play like Jester like Ikarus mentioned.

Is that something common between you two?

Is that something common between you two?

While I have you here, what are your thoughts on Frinckles vote on you? You both seem to have familiarity with each other and you seemed to dismiss the vote.

While I have you here, what are your thoughts on Frinckles vote on you? You both seem to have familiarity with each other and you seemed to dismiss the vote.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;984526]Well...I kinda like it and I kinda don't.

Because I see pros and cons.

Pros:
-Real PRs can soft without actually being outed
-Town PRs will be better protected.

Cons:
-Might create too much confusion for town, I mean.....it would take alot of work and coordination to actually figure out the real claim vs fake claim and things could get lost in the chaos.
-Chaos Exe already knows who they are but town wouldn't know if they can trust any claim.

I don't know. That's how I feel about it atm.

I am so glad this is not a flipless game.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, like that's pretty much my thoughts exactly. I think the chaos part is why I said it seems like a lot of work to keep up. I'm trying to see if what they are proposing helps mafia or town and if it's a good intentions type of post. The latter is the first thought I had when reading it. Almost like okay the thought is good, but there would/could be problems with its execution.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Well...I kinda like it and I kinda don't.

Because I see pros and cons.

Pros:
-Real PRs can soft without actually being outed
-Town PRs will be better protected.

Cons:
-Might create too much confusion for town, I mean.....it would take alot of work and coordination to actually figure out the real claim vs fake claim and things could get lost in the chaos.
-Chaos Exe already knows who they are but town wouldn't know if they can trust any claim.

I don't know. That's how I feel about it atm.

I am so glad this is not a flipless game.

Yeah, like that's pretty much my thoughts exactly. I think the chaos part is why I said it seems like a lot of work to keep up. I'm trying to see if what they are proposing helps mafia or town and if it's a good intentions type of post. The latter is the first thought I had when reading it. Almost like okay the thought is good, but there would/could be problems with its execution.

I can see how it could help provide cover and can't really see a drawback by doing it, but maybe you guys think otherwise.

I can see how it could help provide cover and can't really see a drawback by doing it, but maybe you guys think otherwise.

What do you feel about Stellaria's proposal. Does it make sense? How would it work exactly?

What do you feel about Stellaria's proposal. Does it make sense? How would it work exactly?

[QUOTE=Stellaria;984506]Each person posts three roles.

Even people without roles so far.

The people with roles CAN choose to put their real role among the three.

They do not have to.

We carry on the game keeping up with these claims, a la if one of the claims was Caroler, we provide feedback for that claim, even if fake, etc.[/QUOTE]

While I don't disagree, it seems like a lot of work. I guess I am down for it if it's gonna help us.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

Each person posts three roles.

Even people without roles so far.

The people with roles CAN choose to put their real role among the three.

They do not have to.

We carry on the game keeping up with these claims, a la if one of the claims was Caroler, we provide feedback for that claim, even if fake, etc.

While I don't disagree, it seems like a lot of work. I guess I am down for it if it's gonna help us.

I feel villagery vibes from Yoshida, Renegade, and to a bit lesser extent from lol. Reason for this is through their posts. I read people tonally and by trying to figure out if what they'd say is alignment indicative. I know everyone does this and it's pretty par for the course, but it's my main course of action. I don't do mechanics, so gameplay is really important for me. With that being said, I have the opposite feeling when I read BusterCannon and Frinckles' post. I didn't like BusterCannon's reasoning for being suspicious of Renegade and when I asked about it he didn't acknowledge it.

[vote]BusterCannon[/vote]

I feel villagery vibes from Yoshida, Renegade, and to a bit lesser extent from lol. Reason for this is through their posts. I read people tonally and by trying to figure out if what they'd say is alignment indicative. I know everyone does this and it's pretty par for the course, but it's my main course of action. I don't do mechanics, so gameplay is really important for me. With that being said, I have the opposite feeling when I read BusterCannon and Frinckles' post. I didn't like BusterCannon's reasoning for being suspicious of Renegade and when I asked about it he didn't acknowledge it.

-vote BusterCannon

Fair enough. For now. :)

Fair enough. For now.

[QUOTE=Loldebite;984397]I can see what made you dislike it now, but odds are I'm not winning buster's graces anytime soon and I reckon I wouldn't keep them for long anyway. BusterCannon is hallowkat, right ? Or am I mixing up people ?

> had just said in his previous post that he read the setup

Uh, did I ? I thought I'd said the opposite...

> So agreeing with Buster that Renegade looks bad for trying to apparently "hang the oracle for a free kill"

What, is that what I'm agreeing with ??

Kay this is just a stupid misunderstanding, moving on[/QUOTE]

Why are you moving on instead of trying to engage with it. If it is in fact a misunderstanding, dismissing it isn't going to help Gikkle or others understand where your head is or what you are trying to say.

Originally Posted by Loldebite

I can see what made you dislike it now, but odds are I'm not winning buster's graces anytime soon and I reckon I wouldn't keep them for long anyway. BusterCannon is hallowkat, right ? Or am I mixing up people ?

> had just said in his previous post that he read the setup

Uh, did I ? I thought I'd said the opposite...

> So agreeing with Buster that Renegade looks bad for trying to apparently "hang the oracle for a free kill"

What, is that what I'm agreeing with ??

Kay this is just a stupid misunderstanding, moving on

Why are you moving on instead of trying to engage with it. If it is in fact a misunderstanding, dismissing it isn't going to help Gikkle or others understand where your head is or what you are trying to say.

[QUOTE=BusterCannon;984287]You're limiting our options. That makes you seem guilty. Maybe you didn't think I'd notice that but I did. So you're already sus. AND you're trying to hang the oracle because you want a free kill.[/QUOTE]

I think mafia cares more about limiting options in this case, especially because Oracle/Mentor/Sheriff/Caroler are good picks for town. I'd say you are more suspicious here for your response towards Renegade than anything they said.

Originally Posted by BusterCannon

You're limiting our options. That makes you seem guilty. Maybe you didn't think I'd notice that but I did. So you're already sus. AND you're trying to hang the oracle because you want a free kill.

I think mafia cares more about limiting options in this case, especially because Oracle/Mentor/Sheriff/Caroler are good picks for town. I'd say you are more suspicious here for your response towards Renegade than anything they said.

I'm new to the forums so I don't know everyone's nuances yet, but I think logic and analytics can make up for the lack of familiarity.

I'm new to the forums so I don't know everyone's nuances yet, but I think logic and analytics can make up for the lack of familiarity.

I'm poor at mechanics so gameplay and logic is a big draw for me. You start talking about who is what and why they did that or what they should've done and you lost me. Mentor let's me see how a player plays behind the scenes and allows me to deduce if they are hiding something from me because they're mafia and they become incongruent or if they're open and honest and I can see the congruency between the hidden and open postings.

I'm poor at mechanics so gameplay and logic is a big draw for me. You start talking about who is what and why they did that or what they should've done and you lost me. Mentor let's me see how a player plays behind the scenes and allows me to deduce if they are hiding something from me because they're mafia and they become incongruent or if they're open and honest and I can see the congruency between the hidden and open postings.

And if Frinckles got voted out my backup would be Renegade.

And if Frinckles got voted out my backup would be Renegade.

If I hypothetically got the role, I'd choose Frinckles.

If I hypothetically got the role, I'd choose Frinckles.