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i'll retreat to my white padded room now.

i'll retreat to my white padded room now.

[QUOTE=aamirus;879098]
The most recent FM (instant mafia) would be an example of where mafia gets a huge advantage if they are both in invisible mode, as they can instant vote after a towny that thinks he's all alone votes. [/QUOTE]

there are two solutions to this, one even better than the other.

don't play with hammer voting.

use a better vote system like bird vote.

PLAYERS OF SC2MAFIA. DEMAND BETTER OF YOUR HOSTS.

Originally Posted by aamirus

The most recent FM (instant mafia) would be an example of where mafia gets a huge advantage if they are both in invisible mode, as they can instant vote after a towny that thinks he's all alone votes.

there are two solutions to this, one even better than the other.

don't play with hammer voting.

use a better vote system like bird vote.

PLAYERS OF SC2MAFIA. DEMAND BETTER OF YOUR HOSTS.

[QUOTE=secondpassing;876743]Heh, sorry. Figured you might have said something from seeing a reply whilst I was invisible.



Totally agree with this here, though I would understand why someone would say the first one. Players want to be able to scumhunt, which would be impossible to do if the other person didn't read their role card. Easy solution is just to encourage hosts to use the read receipt.. which is between players and their host and not the forum.[/QUOTE]

my example becomes a bit more unreasonable when I clarify it's [B]everytime the rolecard pm is read[/B] is logged and public knowledge. not just the first time.

Originally Posted by secondpassing

Heh, sorry. Figured you might have said something from seeing a reply whilst I was invisible.



Totally agree with this here, though I would understand why someone would say the first one. Players want to be able to scumhunt, which would be impossible to do if the other person didn't read their role card. Easy solution is just to encourage hosts to use the read receipt.. which is between players and their host and not the forum.

my example becomes a bit more unreasonable when I clarify it's everytime the rolecard pm is read is logged and public knowledge. not just the first time.

"Can we add a default on feature that publicly allows a player to see when other players have read their role pms? Or when they pm the host? Not the contents of course, but just the meta data on them pming the host. It's infringing on my player rights to not know this metadata!"

I was struggling to come up with a good example last night on similar features that (I think) we'd all agree that we don't want in our forum mafia games but I think those two would be it. I would love to see the "creative freedom" for hosts and players to not extend into arbitrary forum mechanics.

"Can we add a default on feature that publicly allows a player to see when other players have read their role pms? Or when they pm the host? Not the contents of course, but just the meta data on them pming the host. It's infringing on my player rights to not know this metadata!"

I was struggling to come up with a good example last night on similar features that (I think) we'd all agree that we don't want in our forum mafia games but I think those two would be it. I would love to see the "creative freedom" for hosts and players to not extend into arbitrary forum mechanics.

I did vote for removing it in another poll, but am going to take the "old man, get off my lawn" stance and say that we need a community mentality change, and not a technological change.

I did vote for removing it in another poll, but am going to take the "old man, get off my lawn" stance and say that we need a community mentality change, and not a technological change.

Using "player/host freedom" as an argument for needing to know "Who's currently browsing the thread" to call people out as scum, poisons the freedom principle that the fm staff have prided themselves on maintaining here at sc2mafia.

I guess I can get behind that it's useful if you want to have Real Time conversations. But a line is crossed when you start saying "Oh I saw playerX browsing, but they're not responding to anything. hur dur, they're confirmed scum". If there was some way for our community to turn away from this, I'd be very happy. Like some sort of opposite stance rather than the fm staff defending it "for freedom". Then, I couldn't care less if we had invisible mode on or off.

Using "player/host freedom" as an argument for needing to know "Who's currently browsing the thread" to call people out as scum, poisons the freedom principle that the fm staff have prided themselves on maintaining here at sc2mafia.

I guess I can get behind that it's useful if you want to have Real Time conversations. But a line is crossed when you start saying "Oh I saw playerX browsing, but they're not responding to anything. hur dur, they're confirmed scum". If there was some way for our community to turn away from this, I'd be very happy. Like some sort of opposite stance rather than the fm staff defending it "for freedom". Then, I couldn't care less if we had invisible mode on or off.

I deleted my long post on this because I didn't want to drag myself into it. But I was called out.

I deleted my long post on this because I didn't want to drag myself into it. But I was called out.