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[QUOTE=Taffy;1020804]/sign

Please ping me on discord when it starts[/QUOTE]

Just to confirm, we'll make sure all players are pinged in the server when the game starts (riiiight [MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION] ? :))

Especially since we will need to reconfirm with people to make sure they still [I]exist[/I], considering how long the signups have been up for.

Originally Posted by Taffy

/sign

Please ping me on discord when it starts

Just to confirm, we'll make sure all players are pinged in the server when the game starts (riiiight @oliverz144 ? )

Especially since we will need to reconfirm with people to make sure they still exist, considering how long the signups have been up for.

I'd rather get shapes into the thread...

I'd rather get shapes into the thread...

[QUOTE=FM-Sonrisa;1020702]Can I join[/QUOTE]

You are an anonymous account...! You should get on your main :)

(or if you do not have a main, make one lol)
I'll gladly help you out if you have trouble with it!

Originally Posted by FM-Sonrisa

Can I join

You are an anonymous account...! You should get on your main

(or if you do not have a main, make one lol)
I'll gladly help you out if you have trouble with it!

I doubt this is a valid distinction: one can argue that the Earth is roughly spherical as much as one can argue that it is crepe-shaped... Of course, that doesn't mean both positions are equal, but my point is that argumentation is a mode of expression, and as such is not reliant on the nature of the discussed topic. I am going to dare and throw another Greek thing here :D [url]https://demonax.info/doku.php?id=text:whether_water_or_fire_be_most_useful[/url]
This is clearly Plutarch arguing... for entirely vain stances that simply are an excuse to train eloquence, at this point.

And wow, that quote... I'm sure the guy's slaves won't be mad at all and wouldn't ever dare to say anything false, especially under torture! xD

I doubt this is a valid distinction: one can argue that the Earth is roughly spherical as much as one can argue that it is crepe-shaped... Of course, that doesn't mean both positions are equal, but my point is that argumentation is a mode of expression, and as such is not reliant on the nature of the discussed topic. I am going to dare and throw another Greek thing here https://demonax.info/doku.php?id=text...be_most_useful
This is clearly Plutarch arguing... for entirely vain stances that simply are an excuse to train eloquence, at this point.

And wow, that quote... I'm sure the guy's slaves won't be mad at all and wouldn't ever dare to say anything false, especially under torture! xD

Mr. J.? Hmm... some people just want to watch the world burn, right?

I'm a fellow ESL plebeian, but I would say this is not bad at all ^^
And I am always glad people undertake creative endeavors for the sake of it! That is usually interesting, and always good for fostering beauty (and even critical thinking, who knows). Good luck with this project!

Mr. J.? Hmm... some people just want to watch the world burn, right?

I'm a fellow ESL plebeian, but I would say this is not bad at all ^^
And I am always glad people undertake creative endeavors for the sake of it! That is usually interesting, and always good for fostering beauty (and even critical thinking, who knows). Good luck with this project!

[QUOTE=OzyWho;1020653]Difficult to read. Too much so.
Has he made a single argument in any of these 3 cases? It all seems full of assertions.

Wiki says the dude wrote 15 of such tetralogies: 12 fictional for school and 3 for actual legal cases. I wonder if the 12 fictional speeches would be easier to read? :|[/QUOTE]

I will grant you that it is not exactly concise xD. However, I'm not sure what the opposition between arguments and assertions is meant to be. Aren't arguments series of logically connected assertions meant to prove a point (which is exactly what the texts are)?

As for fictional cases, I do not know. I have not delved that deep into the matter! :s

Originally Posted by OzyWho

Difficult to read. Too much so.
Has he made a single argument in any of these 3 cases? It all seems full of assertions.

Wiki says the dude wrote 15 of such tetralogies: 12 fictional for school and 3 for actual legal cases. I wonder if the 12 fictional speeches would be easier to read?

I will grant you that it is not exactly concise xD. However, I'm not sure what the opposition between arguments and assertions is meant to be. Aren't arguments series of logically connected assertions meant to prove a point (which is exactly what the texts are)?

As for fictional cases, I do not know. I have not delved that deep into the matter! :s

Through a long and tortuous path (following quotes in books...), I have stumbled across Antiphon's [I]Tetralogies[/I], of which this site seems to provide the most readable English version: [url]https://www.sfu.ca/anewradermacher/x--antiphon/16--antiphon-s-tetralogies.html[/url]

It's basically Mafia in ancient Greece. Each "tetralogy" is basically an accusation, a defense, a response to the defense, and a final defense, all in the context of a murder trial. I thought some mafia-inclined people could find it an interesting exercise.

Through a long and tortuous path (following quotes in books...), I have stumbled across Antiphon's Tetralogies, of which this site seems to provide the most readable English version: https://www.sfu.ca/anewradermacher/x...tralogies.html

It's basically Mafia in ancient Greece. Each "tetralogy" is basically an accusation, a defense, a response to the defense, and a final defense, all in the context of a murder trial. I thought some mafia-inclined people could find it an interesting exercise.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;1020615]The site has a 10-post minimum for all games, regardless of hosts

hosts can expand upon that though and have discretion on whether a post counts as a post

obviously that may not mean much given last game xD[/QUOTE]

Might be a little off-topic, but I for one am a big fan of soft post minimums, as opposed to "post X times, no matter what and when". One can post 10 times during a day and bring groundbreaking contributions (I believe [MENTION=6527]Voss[/MENTION] was a prime example of that), and one can post 20 times during a day and have said absolutely nothing at all about the game. Of course, lurking is a thing, and [I]to some extent[/I], it can be considered as a legitimate strategy, although it is one I personally despise. However, rather than a hard "post whatever 10 times per day", I'd rather have a "post 10 minimally meaningful normal length/density posts, or a reasonable equivalent in terms of content (this is the kind of thing that if you see it, you know it; a huge wall of dense content is 'worth' much more than a one-liner), about the game per day". This does make more things up to the host's discretion, but it:
- prevents people from posting only cat pics and meeting the mandatory post count strictly from that
- does not count high contribution, low post count as "inactive"

In such circumstances, the "average content post count" could be raised a little, considering 10 one-liners is not much (even when they're about the game) and doesn't really make someone [I]active[/I], whereas 10 walls is a lot and definetly makes somebody count as active.


This is not really a request for this game specifically, by the way. It's a general line of thought about activity enforcement.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

The site has a 10-post minimum for all games, regardless of hosts

hosts can expand upon that though and have discretion on whether a post counts as a post

obviously that may not mean much given last game xD

Might be a little off-topic, but I for one am a big fan of soft post minimums, as opposed to "post X times, no matter what and when". One can post 10 times during a day and bring groundbreaking contributions (I believe @Voss was a prime example of that), and one can post 20 times during a day and have said absolutely nothing at all about the game. Of course, lurking is a thing, and to some extent, it can be considered as a legitimate strategy, although it is one I personally despise. However, rather than a hard "post whatever 10 times per day", I'd rather have a "post 10 minimally meaningful normal length/density posts, or a reasonable equivalent in terms of content (this is the kind of thing that if you see it, you know it; a huge wall of dense content is 'worth' much more than a one-liner), about the game per day". This does make more things up to the host's discretion, but it:
- prevents people from posting only cat pics and meeting the mandatory post count strictly from that
- does not count high contribution, low post count as "inactive"

In such circumstances, the "average content post count" could be raised a little, considering 10 one-liners is not much (even when they're about the game) and doesn't really make someone active, whereas 10 walls is a lot and definetly makes somebody count as active.


This is not really a request for this game specifically, by the way. It's a general line of thought about activity enforcement.

/sign

I daresay we rectangles should straighten up and keep our rifles by our sides against those crooked rhombi.

/sign

I daresay we rectangles should straighten up and keep our rifles by our sides against those crooked rhombi.

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020576]No don't, you couldn't foresee us both being online and doing it fast enough that you couldn't unvote in time to stop it

I never would've had the guts to try sniping without Olli :hugs:[/QUOTE]

Thanks, but it was still super dumb of me XD. My PoE was 2/3 right, but um, just not in the right order... whoopsies.

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020575]Thank you all so much for the game :love:[/QUOTE]
Still that, though :) thanks for introducing me to this bird

Originally Posted by Taffy

No don't, you couldn't foresee us both being online and doing it fast enough that you couldn't unvote in time to stop it

I never would've had the guts to try sniping without Olli :hugs:

Thanks, but it was still super dumb of me XD. My PoE was 2/3 right, but um, just not in the right order... whoopsies.

Originally Posted by Taffy

Thank you all so much for the game

Still that, though thanks for introducing me to this bird

oh well lol

gg. i will now go hide in a corner

oh well lol

gg. i will now go hide in a corner

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;1020556]ewianking
Marshmallow Marshall
Oliverz144
powerofdeath
Taffy

Here's why I think massclaiming is a good idea.

Scenario 1: Only 1 Spartacus claimed. This mean brendan was town. We will basically let that spartacus decide the vote for today. If correct, mafia will probably kill the last spartacus and we will go to 3p endgame. I'm okay with this because I definitely want to avoid a 4p no clear endgame.

Scenario 2: 2 Spartacus claimed. Brendan was town. We absolutely have to find the fake slave and lynch the Legionaire. Whichever slave(s) are still alive by tomorrow are 100% clear and will be the deciding vote(s) on which Spartacus claim is fake.

Scenario 3: 2 Spartacus claimed. Brendan was mafia. We probably will waste today voting out a slave claim. Whichever slaves are alive by tomorrow basically have 50-50 chance on deciding which spartacus is real or fake.[/QUOTE]

This seems fair. I have no objections.

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

ewianking
Marshmallow Marshall
Oliverz144
powerofdeath
Taffy

Here's why I think massclaiming is a good idea.

Scenario 1: Only 1 Spartacus claimed. This mean brendan was town. We will basically let that spartacus decide the vote for today. If correct, mafia will probably kill the last spartacus and we will go to 3p endgame. I'm okay with this because I definitely want to avoid a 4p no clear endgame.

Scenario 2: 2 Spartacus claimed. Brendan was town. We absolutely have to find the fake slave and lynch the Legionaire. Whichever slave(s) are still alive by tomorrow are 100% clear and will be the deciding vote(s) on which Spartacus claim is fake.

Scenario 3: 2 Spartacus claimed. Brendan was mafia. We probably will waste today voting out a slave claim. Whichever slaves are alive by tomorrow basically have 50-50 chance on deciding which spartacus is real or fake.

This seems fair. I have no objections.

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;1020559]Do you know that mafia can quickhammer today and end if there are 2 mafia alive.[/QUOTE]

I am well aware. However, I happen to believe Ewian is nearly always scum here if there are indeed 2 mafia alive. Here's why

- Oliver is either scum with Brendan or just town. This was already explained yesterday, but the gist of it is that scum!Oliver had a perfect occasion to get rid of town!Brendan and chose not to.
- You are towny. This is the less safe bet I'm making, but I simply do not believe you are scum; you were towny yesterday. I also fail to see with whom you coul be paired.
- I am town (mentioning for the sake of my PoE)

This leaves Ewian and Taffy for the 2 scum alive world. If we live in a two scum alive world and I'm actually wrong on the above, then the game is already over in my opinion, so I'm basically choosing to scratch that world and accept defeat if we live in it; this kind of heuristic has always paid off whenever I've applied it, because it makes life much more simple.
Furthermore, in a 2-scum world, Taffy would be the one who could maybe convince me they're town, as they didn't give me any [I]massive red flags[/I] in the USSR fashion. However, they haven't given me any significant green ones either (I did like some stuff, but in retrospect, it really didn't mean much), so they're just in there by PoE in a 2-scum world, basically.

In a 1-scum world, it's really probably just Oliver, but in such a world, this is not MYLO yet, meaning we can afford it.

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

Do you know that mafia can quickhammer today and end if there are 2 mafia alive.

I am well aware. However, I happen to believe Ewian is nearly always scum here if there are indeed 2 mafia alive. Here's why

- Oliver is either scum with Brendan or just town. This was already explained yesterday, but the gist of it is that scum!Oliver had a perfect occasion to get rid of town!Brendan and chose not to.
- You are towny. This is the less safe bet I'm making, but I simply do not believe you are scum; you were towny yesterday. I also fail to see with whom you coul be paired.
- I am town (mentioning for the sake of my PoE)

This leaves Ewian and Taffy for the 2 scum alive world. If we live in a two scum alive world and I'm actually wrong on the above, then the game is already over in my opinion, so I'm basically choosing to scratch that world and accept defeat if we live in it; this kind of heuristic has always paid off whenever I've applied it, because it makes life much more simple.
Furthermore, in a 2-scum world, Taffy would be the one who could maybe convince me they're town, as they didn't give me any massive red flags in the USSR fashion. However, they haven't given me any significant green ones either (I did like some stuff, but in retrospect, it really didn't mean much), so they're just in there by PoE in a 2-scum world, basically.

In a 1-scum world, it's really probably just Oliver, but in such a world, this is not MYLO yet, meaning we can afford it.

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020549]Ewian I'm sorry but I'm going to hammer early so Marshall doesn't die as well

[vote]SuperJack[/vote][/QUOTE]

I did not even notice I was under the 10 posts mark. I've been trying to make my posts as meaningful as possible and to avoid spamming, but I guess I've done it a little too much lol. My internet also happens to have died on me in the middle of a reply I was making to some of Ewian's posts, reply I do not even remember now, so I assume it wasn't too important...

I don't know if I should thank you or not for this xD
I guess there isn't that much to read into, considering it's about strict rule stuff.

Also, regarding SJ lynch: I have no regrets and believe SJ is the one who should have some. He had committed the heinous crime of not being towny.
:judgement::judgement::judgement:

Originally Posted by Taffy

Ewian I'm sorry but I'm going to hammer early so Marshall doesn't die as well

-vote SuperJack

I did not even notice I was under the 10 posts mark. I've been trying to make my posts as meaningful as possible and to avoid spamming, but I guess I've done it a little too much lol. My internet also happens to have died on me in the middle of a reply I was making to some of Ewian's posts, reply I do not even remember now, so I assume it wasn't too important...

I don't know if I should thank you or not for this xD
I guess there isn't that much to read into, considering it's about strict rule stuff.

Also, regarding SJ lynch: I have no regrets and believe SJ is the one who should have some. He had committed the heinous crime of not being towny.

[QUOTE=ewianking;1020543]It would be really funny to apply the meta that every time oli doesn't tr me hes town.
but I won't

actually post #261 I like of oliver compared to last game I play with them, where they are more lurky. I wouldn't completely avoid a s! oli scenario but I think that post is favorable for T!oli considering hes actually providing thoughts this game[/QUOTE]

[vote]ewianking[/vote]

This post REEKS. The first sentence is some kind of "airplane perspective" on the game, like Ewian is not really involved in his own reads in "first person mode", but is rather contemplating the game state and picking what he's going to say. A townie trying to solve will not have this perspective and this tone.
Note: I first noticed the tone/style here because I recognized a scummy pattern (i.e. a way of behaving some scums have, not so much on this site as on foreign, larger ones), and tried to make sense out of it; this is probably the best way to explain it.

Originally Posted by ewianking

It would be really funny to apply the meta that every time oli doesn't tr me hes town.
but I won't

actually post #261 I like of oliver compared to last game I play with them, where they are more lurky. I wouldn't completely avoid a s! oli scenario but I think that post is favorable for T!oli considering hes actually providing thoughts this game

-vote ewianking

This post REEKS. The first sentence is some kind of "airplane perspective" on the game, like Ewian is not really involved in his own reads in "first person mode", but is rather contemplating the game state and picking what he's going to say. A townie trying to solve will not have this perspective and this tone.
Note: I first noticed the tone/style here because I recognized a scummy pattern (i.e. a way of behaving some scums have, not so much on this site as on foreign, larger ones), and tried to make sense out of it; this is probably the best way to explain it.

[QUOTE=The Nightbringer;1020509]This post is maturing like fine wine.
Your latest posts SJ has to be the lazyest reads you could have given... And terrible reason for town slotting me.
I expect way more from you. Unless you make serious changes, I'll be joining in on you. You have until morning to convince me otherwise since that's probably when I'll be last online for the day.

POD still hasn't gotten out of my bottom read, he literally was the only one I wasn't going to accept asking why gikkle died, POD was in both previous games with him and would have known that gikkle could have taken over the role of town leader and was a threat metawise.

Oliver is my 3rd choice simply because of his utter lack of effort in this game but it's what I'd expect from him regardless of his alignment.... Just process of elimination has him in bottom 3.[/QUOTE]

I have played with Gikkle before, and while he definetly is a good player, I don't think he's scary to the point he should be murdered ASAP even though he did basically nothing of note and hasn't accumulated any real townreads (as far as I could tell on D1, at least).

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;1020519]idk I dont remember gikkle ever wowing me that much[/QUOTE]

Honestly, this seems fair to me. (No offense meant to you, Gikkle, you're great! Just not this game and it's not even really your fault, you were temporarily busy xD)
I still kinda like PoD. As for your theory that the Gikkle kill was a fearkill on a non-towny slot, I'm not convinced.

Also, regarding Oliver, I think it's worth noting that his alignment is very much tied to Brendan's. If Brendan was scum, Oliver gets really quite suspicious due to EoD1. If Brendan was town, Oliver is probably just town (it would have been the go-to play to lynch town!Brendan from a scum!Oliver perspective here, he literally didn't have to say anything because we already made the case for him). Because, as I said, we should play under the assumption that we are still facing 2 scum in order to avoid having bad surprises, I wouldn't want to lynch Oliver today. Assuming we don't flip the Legionnaire and we're getting to the lategame, though, Oliver would have little going for him (and quite a lot against him).

Originally Posted by The Nightbringer

This post is maturing like fine wine.
Your latest posts SJ has to be the lazyest reads you could have given... And terrible reason for town slotting me.
I expect way more from you. Unless you make serious changes, I'll be joining in on you. You have until morning to convince me otherwise since that's probably when I'll be last online for the day.

POD still hasn't gotten out of my bottom read, he literally was the only one I wasn't going to accept asking why gikkle died, POD was in both previous games with him and would have known that gikkle could have taken over the role of town leader and was a threat metawise.

Oliver is my 3rd choice simply because of his utter lack of effort in this game but it's what I'd expect from him regardless of his alignment.... Just process of elimination has him in bottom 3.

I have played with Gikkle before, and while he definetly is a good player, I don't think he's scary to the point he should be murdered ASAP even though he did basically nothing of note and hasn't accumulated any real townreads (as far as I could tell on D1, at least).

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

idk I dont remember gikkle ever wowing me that much

Honestly, this seems fair to me. (No offense meant to you, Gikkle, you're great! Just not this game and it's not even really your fault, you were temporarily busy xD)
I still kinda like PoD. As for your theory that the Gikkle kill was a fearkill on a non-towny slot, I'm not convinced.

Also, regarding Oliver, I think it's worth noting that his alignment is very much tied to Brendan's. If Brendan was scum, Oliver gets really quite suspicious due to EoD1. If Brendan was town, Oliver is probably just town (it would have been the go-to play to lynch town!Brendan from a scum!Oliver perspective here, he literally didn't have to say anything because we already made the case for him). Because, as I said, we should play under the assumption that we are still facing 2 scum in order to avoid having bad surprises, I wouldn't want to lynch Oliver today. Assuming we don't flip the Legionnaire and we're getting to the lategame, though, Oliver would have little going for him (and quite a lot against him).

Sigh. I'm too tired to think straight and thoroughly analyze SJ's posts, but I hoped I would have more to ponder overnight. One liner reads based on poor reasons (literally basic effort reading... SJ, you're not a noob lol, don't you try :P) won't cut it. My vote is staying.

Also, just as a heads up for people who aren't used to the site: this game is [I]particularly[/I] inactive. Like, people don't straight up AFK, but they don't participate much at all (you know who you are)... :(

I shall now take my leave for the night.

Sigh. I'm too tired to think straight and thoroughly analyze SJ's posts, but I hoped I would have more to ponder overnight. One liner reads based on poor reasons (literally basic effort reading... SJ, you're not a noob lol, don't you try :P) won't cut it. My vote is staying.

Also, just as a heads up for people who aren't used to the site: this game is particularly inactive. Like, people don't straight up AFK, but they don't participate much at all (you know who you are)...

I shall now take my leave for the night.

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020464]Would you expect to be 100% dead tomorrow is PoD flips town?

I think that solving an entire day in a w!Brendan world is dangerous given how small the game is. We should explore both options to maximise our chances of success.[/QUOTE]

I'm starting to like you as much as your pfp :)

Originally Posted by Taffy

Would you expect to be 100% dead tomorrow is PoD flips town?

I think that solving an entire day in a w!Brendan world is dangerous given how small the game is. We should explore both options to maximise our chances of success.

I'm starting to like you as much as your pfp

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020460]PoD was the one who made the deciding vote to kill Brendan, over the option to create tied wagons by voting you. Yesterday you accused PoD of voting SuperJack to create a counterwagon to his scumbuddy Brendan, and now that he proved that theory wrong you are still pushing him.

I mean there's no towncred to be had from bussing the fake Spartacus. If Brendan turns out to be the wolf you're pretty much all town.

Do you have other reasons for thinking PoD is scum than that he has a different approach to the game?

Personally he's the last person I want to vote today; he's comfortable in thread, I can't discern any agenda in his posts, we've had the same idea about how to optimally play out the mech, and he's actively contributing.[/QUOTE]

+1. Exactly my thoughts. Also, I disagree with Nightbringer that we should consider this as a 6v1 immediatly. There are no drawbacks to being careful, but there may be drawbacks if we decide to be arrogant instead.

Originally Posted by Taffy

PoD was the one who made the deciding vote to kill Brendan, over the option to create tied wagons by voting you. Yesterday you accused PoD of voting SuperJack to create a counterwagon to his scumbuddy Brendan, and now that he proved that theory wrong you are still pushing him.

I mean there's no towncred to be had from bussing the fake Spartacus. If Brendan turns out to be the wolf you're pretty much all town.

Do you have other reasons for thinking PoD is scum than that he has a different approach to the game?

Personally he's the last person I want to vote today; he's comfortable in thread, I can't discern any agenda in his posts, we've had the same idea about how to optimally play out the mech, and he's actively contributing.

+1. Exactly my thoughts. Also, I disagree with Nightbringer that we should consider this as a 6v1 immediatly. There are no drawbacks to being careful, but there may be drawbacks if we decide to be arrogant instead.

[QUOTE=ewianking;1020456]Really expected Nightbringer to be the kill tbh
though gikkle isnt outside of expectations.

If I put on the tinfoil hat because people were against nightbringer scum didnt want to confirm them town, so they went after an inactive.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, thinking about it right now, Nightbringer did have 3 votes on him at the end of the day... but I had the same reaction as you, this only popped into my mind right now, so you get some... mindmeld points, I guess? Congrats

Originally Posted by ewianking

Really expected Nightbringer to be the kill tbh
though gikkle isnt outside of expectations.

If I put on the tinfoil hat because people were against nightbringer scum didnt want to confirm them town, so they went after an inactive.

Honestly, thinking about it right now, Nightbringer did have 3 votes on him at the end of the day... but I had the same reaction as you, this only popped into my mind right now, so you get some... mindmeld points, I guess? Congrats

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;1020442]But Gikkle can be punted until tomorrow, I think I will read him easier if he actually becomes active[/QUOTE]

I think this was literally everyone's opinion of Gikkle lol. It's quite strange that [I]he[/I] was murdered out of everyone. I had lowkey expected to come back to the thread to my death, to be honest, or perhaps to Nightbringer's. Why did scum decide to basically facilitate our task of sorting out the inactives? @ any interested soul

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

But Gikkle can be punted until tomorrow, I think I will read him easier if he actually becomes active

I think this was literally everyone's opinion of Gikkle lol. It's quite strange that he was murdered out of everyone. I had lowkey expected to come back to the thread to my death, to be honest, or perhaps to Nightbringer's. Why did scum decide to basically facilitate our task of sorting out the inactives? @ any interested soul

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;1020432]I can say this is bad for town because if Brendan was actually town, then mafia can cruise by fakeclaiming Spartacus, and misleading town off their partner for Day 2 and 3 for quick victory.[/QUOTE]

I mean, no. Claiming Spartacus is not a free ticket for a townread in any way lol.

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

I can say this is bad for town because if Brendan was actually town, then mafia can cruise by fakeclaiming Spartacus, and misleading town off their partner for Day 2 and 3 for quick victory.

I mean, no. Claiming Spartacus is not a free ticket for a townread in any way lol.

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;1020428]I find Brendan's line pretty ironic. Brendan came out of the gate with his claim, trying to lead the town to vote Nightbringer. Yet says if he were evil he would come out of the gate, trying to lead the town.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. He was clearly toying with WIFOM regarding this; the fact he did nothing else is really bad, though. If he was town, he severely misplayed in my opinion, and I'm going to assume he didn't just do that lol (even though we should play [I]as if[/I] he were town for now in my opinion, since if he actually was town, we would have less wiggle room right now).
[QUOTE=powerofdeath;1020430]I guess Oliver is gone.

Well, my current pov on him is this: Would Scum?Oliver jump on the mass wagons on brendan and make it bigger for easy mislynch? Or would scum?Oliver join a counterwagon against one of the loudest player in the game.

I feel like he would probably do option A. The only way I could see him being Mafia is if hes also mafia with Brendan and is trying to protect him.[/QUOTE]

I like this, especially since it was done pretty much "live" in the thread as Oliver posted (around 30 minutes after, counting the fact PoD was posting about other stuff before replying to this). I like PoD more now.

--> which leads us to the remaining suspicious low-activity slots! SuperJack, Ewian, [Taffy?] (I think Oliver is at the very least not a priority lynch; if he ends up in final 3, then I'd just assume he was probably scum with Brendan and that's all there was to it, but for now, I'm inclined to push actual question mark slots we want to either sort out or straight up murder before we reach lategame)

[vote]SuperJack[/vote] The time for strong content from you is ten times overpast. (will see if you posted stuff I haven't read yet but yeah)

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

I find Brendan's line pretty ironic. Brendan came out of the gate with his claim, trying to lead the town to vote Nightbringer. Yet says if he were evil he would come out of the gate, trying to lead the town.

Indeed. He was clearly toying with WIFOM regarding this; the fact he did nothing else is really bad, though. If he was town, he severely misplayed in my opinion, and I'm going to assume he didn't just do that lol (even though we should play as if he were town for now in my opinion, since if he actually was town, we would have less wiggle room right now).

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

I guess Oliver is gone.

Well, my current pov on him is this: Would Scum?Oliver jump on the mass wagons on brendan and make it bigger for easy mislynch? Or would scum?Oliver join a counterwagon against one of the loudest player in the game.

I feel like he would probably do option A. The only way I could see him being Mafia is if hes also mafia with Brendan and is trying to protect him.

I like this, especially since it was done pretty much "live" in the thread as Oliver posted (around 30 minutes after, counting the fact PoD was posting about other stuff before replying to this). I like PoD more now.

--> which leads us to the remaining suspicious low-activity slots! SuperJack, Ewian, [Taffy?] (I think Oliver is at the very least not a priority lynch; if he ends up in final 3, then I'd just assume he was probably scum with Brendan and that's all there was to it, but for now, I'm inclined to push actual question mark slots we want to either sort out or straight up murder before we reach lategame)

-vote SuperJack

The time for strong content from you is ten times overpast. (will see if you posted stuff I haven't read yet but yeah)

I AM HERE, I EXIST
My apologies for vanishing into thin air for so long lol, I had a very fun but very busy day.

From EoD1:
[QUOTE=oliverz144;1020419]I honestly feel like Nightbringer was really scummy this day, and i really think we should lynch him today.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=oliverz144;1020420]the reasoning for my scumread are:
[COLOR="#008080"]mech-focus overr the past phase (which diverts attention from the solving)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Strange MM reads[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#008080"]According to this, you should have been all over PoD, burying him in a solid push, considering at that point in the game, [I]he had done nothing else[/I], barring some very recent "I don't wanna lynch Brendan". Nightbringer, on the other hand, provided reads and tried to generate discussion - which is not at all outside of what I estimate his scum range to be, for the record -, which makes this point a little strange. [/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]I don't get what the intended meaning of this line is.[/COLOR]

[s]Note that I'm not accusing you of being scum; on the contrary, I'm actually tempted to say this strange attempt at reading is genuine, due to its sheer lack of ability to convince anybody lol. I doubt you'd even believe this would allow you to gain any traction whatsoever as scum.[/s]
Actually, scratch that. I went to check the EoD1 votecount and saw how close it was with Brendan. There is a rather significant possibility that you tried to justify your vote on the counterwagon with a (bad) explanation in a scum!Brendan world.
That said, I'm keeping the first idea around as well, because if you are indeed scum shielding your partner Brendan, you're already pretty much screwed and can be dealt with later :D so I'm strategically saying I like you for now because I believe we should act [I]as if[/I] Brendan were town, no matter what he actually was, and adjust if the game doesn't end upon the Legionnaire flipping.

Still wouldn't mind having you explain your thought process regarding Nightbringer, by the way; you shouldn't be given a free pass either.
[QUOTE=powerofdeath;1020427]Think he meant if everyone agree hes clear and we just lynch randomly among the 8 people outside of him its 25% chance to be right. You're right we 100% are lynching today because not lynching today mean town's # of mislynches go from 2 to 1 before loss.

So while you might be right, Scum?Brendan could be trying to bait claim/or preparing in advance to not be voted. I'm trying to see the intent of town?Brendan claiming as spartacus, he might be trying to rally people to vote with him.[/QUOTE]

While I just said we should work under the assumption that Brendan was town for the sake of safety, I do actually believe he was probably scum. "Trying to rally people to vote with him", the intent you proposed as town!Brendan's for claiming, makes little sense if we consider his general way of playing: if he had wanted to do that, he should have tried to solve actively and post convincing reads, etc., whereas he was bloody useless when it comes to solving lol. It simply doesn't match.

I AM HERE, I EXIST
My apologies for vanishing into thin air for so long lol, I had a very fun but very busy day.

From EoD1:

Originally Posted by oliverz144

I honestly feel like Nightbringer was really scummy this day, and i really think we should lynch him today.

Originally Posted by oliverz144

the reasoning for my scumread are:
mech-focus overr the past phase (which diverts attention from the solving)
Strange MM reads

According to this, you should have been all over PoD, burying him in a solid push, considering at that point in the game, he had done nothing else, barring some very recent "I don't wanna lynch Brendan". Nightbringer, on the other hand, provided reads and tried to generate discussion - which is not at all outside of what I estimate his scum range to be, for the record -, which makes this point a little strange.
I don't get what the intended meaning of this line is.

Note that I'm not accusing you of being scum; on the contrary, I'm actually tempted to say this strange attempt at reading is genuine, due to its sheer lack of ability to convince anybody lol. I doubt you'd even believe this would allow you to gain any traction whatsoever as scum.
Actually, scratch that. I went to check the EoD1 votecount and saw how close it was with Brendan. There is a rather significant possibility that you tried to justify your vote on the counterwagon with a (bad) explanation in a scum!Brendan world.
That said, I'm keeping the first idea around as well, because if you are indeed scum shielding your partner Brendan, you're already pretty much screwed and can be dealt with later so I'm strategically saying I like you for now because I believe we should act as if Brendan were town, no matter what he actually was, and adjust if the game doesn't end upon the Legionnaire flipping.

Still wouldn't mind having you explain your thought process regarding Nightbringer, by the way; you shouldn't be given a free pass either.

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

Think he meant if everyone agree hes clear and we just lynch randomly among the 8 people outside of him its 25% chance to be right. You're right we 100% are lynching today because not lynching today mean town's # of mislynches go from 2 to 1 before loss.

So while you might be right, Scum?Brendan could be trying to bait claim/or preparing in advance to not be voted. I'm trying to see the intent of town?Brendan claiming as spartacus, he might be trying to rally people to vote with him.

While I just said we should work under the assumption that Brendan was town for the sake of safety, I do actually believe he was probably scum. "Trying to rally people to vote with him", the intent you proposed as town!Brendan's for claiming, makes little sense if we consider his general way of playing: if he had wanted to do that, he should have tried to solve actively and post convincing reads, etc., whereas he was bloody useless when it comes to solving lol. It simply doesn't match.

[QUOTE=The Nightbringer;1020408]Look at you coming to my side begging others to talk. How amusing. I suspect you are piecing things about me, all I will say is unless you intend to lynch me... Just keep it to yourself and smile, you are probably correct. ; )[/QUOTE]

The wifom... I cannot handle it, it is too powerful

you know i know you know i know you know i know you know i know

Originally Posted by The Nightbringer

Look at you coming to my side begging others to talk. How amusing. I suspect you are piecing things about me, all I will say is unless you intend to lynch me... Just keep it to yourself and smile, you are probably correct. ; )

The wifom... I cannot handle it, it is too powerful

you know i know you know i know you know i know you know i know

[QUOTE=The Nightbringer;1020405]Your removal of Brendans easy out has been noted and will benefit you tomorrow in my reads eking. Still not impressed by Oliver but it's what I expected from him no mater what alignment he is. SJ is getting higher on my focus list for tomorrow, but don't have time to deal with him today.

MM and I are on the same page and I agree that we think alike, I can tell you that neither of us trusts the other du to experience and can't get a good read on each other but we'll get a read on other people and slot each other in where there is room... Right now, for me, if it comes to it, I'd deal with MM in final 3 if we are still alive. We are both juicy night kill targets and by logic neither of us should be alive by that point. Similar thoughts on POD at this time.

Taffy was mostly talking about his avatar for the early part of the day then shifted to identifying SJ on MU, which could be useful meta info but didn't really help me. I can't honestly say I analyzed all his posts from last night, my focus was somewheres else this morning.
I think there isn't much left that I haven't already said so I'll probably be more quiet unless something worth sayings comes up. I'm hoping that gikkle at least comes online to vote.

I'm still leaning Brendan/superjack or Brendan/eking as the scums. I need to remember that scum have a 24/7 open chat so I have to consider that one scum might be coaching the other but it rarely actually happens. Removings Brendan's get out of jail move does help a bit in ekings favor but I still have little to go on.[/QUOTE]

2nd paragraph = good in my book, although not decisive. Not impossible to fake as scum, but it would require going somewhat deep in the town perspective imo.

Not convinced about PoD, though. He's definetly not on the same level as you here, and is slowly getting closer to SJ. In fact, I might even dislike PoD more than SJ, because PoD went in mech mode without providing ANY READS (look at his ISO). I especially dislike how he asked SJ this:
[QUOTE=powerofdeath;1020363]real question: do you still want to keep your vote on MM after reading his posts?[/QUOTE]

This feels like fishing. It would be less suspicious (or even not suspicious at all) if PoD had been actively giving reads on people; this would simply look like an investigative inquiry. The utter lack of reads (but abundance of mech talk, considering the game's post count and PoD's) makes me think he's just asking a question for the sake of looking useful and/or for testing waters to see who is pushable and who isn't.
And for what it's worth, I really doubt PoD/SJ are w/w here.

Originally Posted by The Nightbringer

Your removal of Brendans easy out has been noted and will benefit you tomorrow in my reads eking. Still not impressed by Oliver but it's what I expected from him no mater what alignment he is. SJ is getting higher on my focus list for tomorrow, but don't have time to deal with him today.

MM and I are on the same page and I agree that we think alike, I can tell you that neither of us trusts the other du to experience and can't get a good read on each other but we'll get a read on other people and slot each other in where there is room... Right now, for me, if it comes to it, I'd deal with MM in final 3 if we are still alive. We are both juicy night kill targets and by logic neither of us should be alive by that point. Similar thoughts on POD at this time.

Taffy was mostly talking about his avatar for the early part of the day then shifted to identifying SJ on MU, which could be useful meta info but didn't really help me. I can't honestly say I analyzed all his posts from last night, my focus was somewheres else this morning.
I think there isn't much left that I haven't already said so I'll probably be more quiet unless something worth sayings comes up. I'm hoping that gikkle at least comes online to vote.

I'm still leaning Brendan/superjack or Brendan/eking as the scums. I need to remember that scum have a 24/7 open chat so I have to consider that one scum might be coaching the other but it rarely actually happens. Removings Brendan's get out of jail move does help a bit in ekings favor but I still have little to go on.

2nd paragraph = good in my book, although not decisive. Not impossible to fake as scum, but it would require going somewhat deep in the town perspective imo.

Not convinced about PoD, though. He's definetly not on the same level as you here, and is slowly getting closer to SJ. In fact, I might even dislike PoD more than SJ, because PoD went in mech mode without providing ANY READS (look at his ISO). I especially dislike how he asked SJ this:

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

real question: do you still want to keep your vote on MM after reading his posts?

This feels like fishing. It would be less suspicious (or even not suspicious at all) if PoD had been actively giving reads on people; this would simply look like an investigative inquiry. The utter lack of reads (but abundance of mech talk, considering the game's post count and PoD's) makes me think he's just asking a question for the sake of looking useful and/or for testing waters to see who is pushable and who isn't.
And for what it's worth, I really doubt PoD/SJ are w/w here.

Like, I would love to have friendly and funny conversations with the people I've never played with, but apart from Nightbringer (and to a lesser extent, Taffy), it's a little hard to get into it because I have to beg for matter lmao

I DON'T WANNA BE A BEGGAR

:skwirlrage::nooooooooo::skwirlrage:

Like, I would love to have friendly and funny conversations with the people I've never played with, but apart from Nightbringer (and to a lesser extent, Taffy), it's a little hard to get into it because I have to beg for matter lmao

I DON'T WANNA BE A BEGGAR

[QUOTE=ewianking;1020403]Imo Vote Poe is looking like to me

Taffy/Brendan/Oliver

Never lynch:
night
power
or mm
today imo


Gikkle/superjack I have no thoughts on but if something changes I wouldn't mind.

That being said I think Brendan would be the vote here?

Like either way I feel like it will be telling whenever we force the Spart claim later

I don't love oliverz naked vote on night, I would expect more than that from him, some flair, or accusation.

Taffy I think just came up with the most strawman excuse to accuse someone so I am obviously biased and going to slightly sr them for that.


[vote] Brendan[/vote]

no hammer today iirc so this should be fine[/QUOTE]
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Taffy casually getting thrown in there
No explanations whatsoever

Why? What is all of this? What tells us you aren't just going more or less with the consensus without any original thoughts? Is Taffy in the PoE for OMGUS reasons?

I get that you rely on meta a lot and that reading people you don't know for the most part is difficult, but the problem is, you aren't giving us matter to read you on and are instead choosing to state reads without reasons.

Originally Posted by ewianking

Imo Vote Poe is looking like to me

Taffy/Brendan/Oliver

Never lynch:
night
power
or mm
today imo


Gikkle/superjack I have no thoughts on but if something changes I wouldn't mind.

That being said I think Brendan would be the vote here?

Like either way I feel like it will be telling whenever we force the Spart claim later

I don't love oliverz naked vote on night, I would expect more than that from him, some flair, or accusation.

Taffy I think just came up with the most strawman excuse to accuse someone so I am obviously biased and going to slightly sr them for that.

-vote Brendan

no hammer today iirc so this should be fine

Taffy casually getting thrown in there
No explanations whatsoever

Why? What is all of this? What tells us you aren't just going more or less with the consensus without any original thoughts? Is Taffy in the PoE for OMGUS reasons?

I get that you rely on meta a lot and that reading people you don't know for the most part is difficult, but the problem is, you aren't giving us matter to read you on and are instead choosing to state reads without reasons.

[QUOTE=ewianking;1020400]Dw, I'm often a common mislynch d1 Im confident I can show the greenest of town shine through[/QUOTE]

The best part about this post is that we get to see the bird again :D

Originally Posted by ewianking

Dw, I'm often a common mislynch d1 Im confident I can show the greenest of town shine through

The best part about this post is that we get to see the bird again

[QUOTE=ewianking;1020399]dude, I left to go get lunch during that and came back to read, I don't see how leaving for 40 minutes to do irl duties is lurking lmao, seems strawmanning to me if you ask me.

Rvs vote moment

Is it not normal on this site to vote rvs and not think about it much early? Why would I have a need to voice my opinion on Gikkle's vote when no one has had any proper discussion at that time nor have any real reads?[/QUOTE]

It is perfectly normal, I concur. What isn't normal, however, is to refrain from providing analyzable and meaningful thoughts. RVSing Gikkle is fine, but considering that + saying you don't really believe Brendan is your entire contribution to the game, it seems very fair to have reservations about you...

Also also, meta crunching time! [url]https://hypixel.net/threads/mafia-game-71-mystery-edition-day-4.5674813/[/url] you played in this game and were town (from what I could gather, at least, since you were alive at the end and town won lol). You were much more... you know, [I]alive[/I] in that game than you are here. I don't know if it's a matter of shyness, but I generally dislike the difference I'm seeing here.

Do you have any reads? Who would you like to see chopped today and why? Etc.

[SIZE=1]Side note: I believe there may have been a little too much pizza in that game.[/SIZE]

Originally Posted by ewianking

dude, I left to go get lunch during that and came back to read, I don't see how leaving for 40 minutes to do irl duties is lurking lmao, seems strawmanning to me if you ask me.

Rvs vote moment

Is it not normal on this site to vote rvs and not think about it much early? Why would I have a need to voice my opinion on Gikkle's vote when no one has had any proper discussion at that time nor have any real reads?

It is perfectly normal, I concur. What isn't normal, however, is to refrain from providing analyzable and meaningful thoughts. RVSing Gikkle is fine, but considering that + saying you don't really believe Brendan is your entire contribution to the game, it seems very fair to have reservations about you...

Also also, meta crunching time! https://hypixel.net/threads/mafia-ga...day-4.5674813/ you played in this game and were town (from what I could gather, at least, since you were alive at the end and town won lol). You were much more... you know, alive in that game than you are here. I don't know if it's a matter of shyness, but I generally dislike the difference I'm seeing here.

Do you have any reads? Who would you like to see chopped today and why? Etc.

Side note: I believe there may have been a little too much pizza in that game.

Also, do note that I will be unable to be here at EoD. If I can, I will pop in a little around an hour and a half before EoD, but that will be it.

Considering how little content there is and how noone is being PAINFULLY scummy, I am a strong proponent of simply murdering the slots that we will not want to solve when the decisive hurling-into-volcano moment will occur. That means Brendan, Oliverz and Ewian... and maybe SJ too, since he's not doing much. Gikkle mentioned he was a little busy today, so I'm not really holding it against him, even though he's not a townread either. Note that I have gut stances on some of those people, but I have no desire to share them at the moment, considering they wouldn't add anything interesting to the discussion and could instead help scum plan their game.
I will speak a word about Brendan, though. His magic "I claimed, I must be nice" attempt does not convince me at all, honestly (or more accurately, it's getting more and more suspicious over time as he lurks), and I suspect he might be thinking this is the arcade, where a claim can get you out of trouble for a while if it's even just possible. To be coherent with town!Spartacus-who-claims play, he should be trying to lead the town right now, as opposed to... vanishing after the claim.

Also, do note that I will be unable to be here at EoD. If I can, I will pop in a little around an hour and a half before EoD, but that will be it.

Considering how little content there is and how noone is being PAINFULLY scummy, I am a strong proponent of simply murdering the slots that we will not want to solve when the decisive hurling-into-volcano moment will occur. That means Brendan, Oliverz and Ewian... and maybe SJ too, since he's not doing much. Gikkle mentioned he was a little busy today, so I'm not really holding it against him, even though he's not a townread either. Note that I have gut stances on some of those people, but I have no desire to share them at the moment, considering they wouldn't add anything interesting to the discussion and could instead help scum plan their game.
I will speak a word about Brendan, though. His magic "I claimed, I must be nice" attempt does not convince me at all, honestly (or more accurately, it's getting more and more suspicious over time as he lurks), and I suspect he might be thinking this is the arcade, where a claim can get you out of trouble for a while if it's even just possible. To be coherent with town!Spartacus-who-claims play, he should be trying to lead the town right now, as opposed to... vanishing after the claim.

[QUOTE=oliverz144;1020394]is it just me or does nightbringer try to pocket MM after MM starts pushing him?[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say that. He seems to say some of my thoughts before I express them, which is good, and I believe there is some genuine mindmeld going on here. That said, I've met people who play like Nightbringer before, saying things that simply make sense, and who turned out to be scum in the end. I don't really see anything that makes me say "this man is town, he would not do this as scum". I suspect the fact we have only THREE PAGES nearing the end of D1 isn't helping at all: even though he's talking and contributing as much as can be reasonably expected here, there is only so much to say when people are failing to exist meaningfully.
So overall, I'm really just worried he might be a pretty much unsolvable slot until it's too late. I wouldn't accuse him of pocketing, though.

Besides, are you just going to throw shade (with a "is it just me" question without a case of your own, as if you hoped that we would make the case you don't want to make yourself), vote, and go away? Your ISO is among the poorest in the game, and you happen to have [I]only[/I] addressed Nightbringer in this game. Avoiding interactions with most people to restrain yourself to a select few (or in this case, literally just one because you're also inactive) is scummy. I would gladly hurl you into a volcano at the moment if the idea was to become popular.

Any thoughts on other people? SJ, for example? Do you think there's anything readable about him? What about Brendan's claim?

Originally Posted by oliverz144

is it just me or does nightbringer try to pocket MM after MM starts pushing him?

I wouldn't say that. He seems to say some of my thoughts before I express them, which is good, and I believe there is some genuine mindmeld going on here. That said, I've met people who play like Nightbringer before, saying things that simply make sense, and who turned out to be scum in the end. I don't really see anything that makes me say "this man is town, he would not do this as scum". I suspect the fact we have only THREE PAGES nearing the end of D1 isn't helping at all: even though he's talking and contributing as much as can be reasonably expected here, there is only so much to say when people are failing to exist meaningfully.
So overall, I'm really just worried he might be a pretty much unsolvable slot until it's too late. I wouldn't accuse him of pocketing, though.

Besides, are you just going to throw shade (with a "is it just me" question without a case of your own, as if you hoped that we would make the case you don't want to make yourself), vote, and go away? Your ISO is among the poorest in the game, and you happen to have only addressed Nightbringer in this game. Avoiding interactions with most people to restrain yourself to a select few (or in this case, literally just one because you're also inactive) is scummy. I would gladly hurl you into a volcano at the moment if the idea was to become popular.

Any thoughts on other people? SJ, for example? Do you think there's anything readable about him? What about Brendan's claim?

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020389]MM, what made you say that Nightbringer has played on MU [U][I]recently[/I][/U]?[/QUOTE]

Because he was talking to SJ as if they had met recently-ish there, if I remember correctly. It's ultimately just a supposition, but I expected to be corrected in the event I'd be wrong, which didn't happen, sooooooooo. :P

Originally Posted by Taffy

MM, what made you say that Nightbringer has played on MU recently?

Because he was talking to SJ as if they had met recently-ish there, if I remember correctly. It's ultimately just a supposition, but I expected to be corrected in the event I'd be wrong, which didn't happen, sooooooooo. :P

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020387](replying to [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/51624-I-m-Spartacus-Game-Thread?p=1020384&viewfull=1#post1020384"]p#120[/URL] but the forum hangs if I try to quote it)

Does it change your mind if I tell you that wasn't Ewian's entry post? As I pointed out before, he'd made the very first post of the game, and then lurked until this. So he's around for that entire time, and then doesn't comment on the fact that Gikkle has voted Nightbringer but votes his entry post. That's what's sus to me. The lack of comment on the vote.

I mean you're right that it's early but by no means silly.[/QUOTE]
Ah yea, the multiquotes... You have to go back and untick them manually. Yes, it is somewhat annoying, sorry xD. Someday and soon[SUP]TM[/SUP], it shall be improved, but it's still better than being stuck with the quotes forever :P

(In case it wasn't clear, "silly" wasn't meant as an insult or whatever, sorry if it was ambiguous lol)

I don't think the fact it wasn't his first post really matters at all. At that point in the game, I didn't expect anyone to come up with an... exhaustive push against anyone else. Note that I'm not saying he's necessarily innocent, just that I doubt his post means much.
[s]please don't be scum ewian or i will probably look bad for "defending you"[/s]

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020388]Ok I will get to those posts soon[SUP]TM[/SUP].

(it's a potoo, they are hilariously funny-looking birds)[/QUOTE]

What is...
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Northern_potoo_%28Nyctibius_jamaicensis_mexicanus%29_Orange_Walk.jpg/800px-Northern_potoo_%28Nyctibius_jamaicensis_mexicanus%29_Orange_Walk.jpg[/IMG]
XD wow

Originally Posted by Taffy

(replying to p#120 but the forum hangs if I try to quote it)

Does it change your mind if I tell you that wasn't Ewian's entry post? As I pointed out before, he'd made the very first post of the game, and then lurked until this. So he's around for that entire time, and then doesn't comment on the fact that Gikkle has voted Nightbringer but votes his entry post. That's what's sus to me. The lack of comment on the vote.

I mean you're right that it's early but by no means silly.

Ah yea, the multiquotes... You have to go back and untick them manually. Yes, it is somewhat annoying, sorry xD. Someday and soon^TM, it shall be improved, but it's still better than being stuck with the quotes forever :P

(In case it wasn't clear, "silly" wasn't meant as an insult or whatever, sorry if it was ambiguous lol)

I don't think the fact it wasn't his first post really matters at all. At that point in the game, I didn't expect anyone to come up with an... exhaustive push against anyone else. Note that I'm not saying he's necessarily innocent, just that I doubt his post means much.
please don't be scum ewian or i will probably look bad for "defending you"

Originally Posted by Taffy

Ok I will get to those posts soon^TM.

(it's a potoo, they are hilariously funny-looking birds)

What is...

XD wow

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020383]Hi! Haven't gotten to your entrance yet, I think, but if there are no more Brendan posts past 36 then yes that's not serious playing. Supposing he comes and contributes meaningfully before or at EoD though, where would you go next?

Also I know you're not the same Marshall as the one on FoL, but I actually don't know which one of you two I spectated in the Discord ToS Championship, was that you?[/QUOTE]

Hello baby hawk (?) avatar person :)

That wasn't me in the ToS championship. I haven't really played FM recently at all outside of this site, actually; life brought me elsewhere, I guess. I am indeed the space pizza (IT'S A SPACESHIP, DAMNIT) from the KRC game you hosted in, however!

Regarding Brendan, you may want to look at his recent posts. That said, if I were to move from him right now, I might be pressuring Ewian for more, as I believe he is on the brink of being useful and actually readable, he's just [I]not there yet.[/I]

Originally Posted by Taffy

Hi! Haven't gotten to your entrance yet, I think, but if there are no more Brendan posts past 36 then yes that's not serious playing. Supposing he comes and contributes meaningfully before or at EoD though, where would you go next?

Also I know you're not the same Marshall as the one on FoL, but I actually don't know which one of you two I spectated in the Discord ToS Championship, was that you?

Hello baby hawk (?) avatar person

That wasn't me in the ToS championship. I haven't really played FM recently at all outside of this site, actually; life brought me elsewhere, I guess. I am indeed the space pizza (IT'S A SPACESHIP, DAMNIT) from the KRC game you hosted in, however!

Regarding Brendan, you may want to look at his recent posts. That said, if I were to move from him right now, I might be pressuring Ewian for more, as I believe he is on the brink of being useful and actually readable, he's just not there yet.

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020375]There's nothing vote-worthy about Gikkle's first post, and voting him without commenting on the actual game-relevant thing he's done (naked voting Nightbringer) is wolfy. Could be w/w with Nightbringer, even, if Ewianking is a bit trigger happy in defending partners.[/QUOTE]

While I appreciate that you're providing early reads, I also think you're the one being trigger-happy here. This was RVS, and Ewian's post really is your average meaningless MU-flavored intro post. Suggesting this was w/w defense during RVS is silly in my opinion.

In my book, Ewian is in the "did absolutely nothing noteworthy and should start doing stuff soon, or else" bucket; what he said so far simply doesn't count for much. The most meaningful thing he has said is that Brendan has a 33 % chance of being scum (assuming his claim is real), which, while not wrong, is not exactly revolutionary xD.

Originally Posted by Taffy

There's nothing vote-worthy about Gikkle's first post, and voting him without commenting on the actual game-relevant thing he's done (naked voting Nightbringer) is wolfy. Could be w/w with Nightbringer, even, if Ewianking is a bit trigger happy in defending partners.

While I appreciate that you're providing early reads, I also think you're the one being trigger-happy here. This was RVS, and Ewian's post really is your average meaningless MU-flavored intro post. Suggesting this was w/w defense during RVS is silly in my opinion.

In my book, Ewian is in the "did absolutely nothing noteworthy and should start doing stuff soon, or else" bucket; what he said so far simply doesn't count for much. The most meaningful thing he has said is that Brendan has a 33 % chance of being scum (assuming his claim is real), which, while not wrong, is not exactly revolutionary xD.

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020380]Until the Legionnaire is dead, the only way to know we've killed the fake Spartacus is to kill all three - which would use up both of our available misyeets in the process, meaning we can't afford any mistakes in locating the Legionnaire anymore. Pushing for an early claim is decidedly wolf-sided.[/QUOTE]

That is literally how the setup was crafted, by the way. It is [I]meant[/I] to punish early mass claiming. One Spartacus claim may not be entirely disastrous, though.

Originally Posted by Taffy

Until the Legionnaire is dead, the only way to know we've killed the fake Spartacus is to kill all three - which would use up both of our available misyeets in the process, meaning we can't afford any mistakes in locating the Legionnaire anymore. Pushing for an early claim is decidedly wolf-sided.

That is literally how the setup was crafted, by the way. It is meant to punish early mass claiming. One Spartacus claim may not be entirely disastrous, though.

Oh, it would seem Brendan did in fact say things...
[QUOTE=Brendan;1020367]In an effort to make things more interesting, and as a gesture of good faith to my fellow town, I would like to reveal that I am Spartacus. :)[/QUOTE]

Didn't we already establish that we were at least waiting on the N1 kill and hoping for it to land on a town Spartacus to narrow down that pool? Besides, there is literally a scum Spartacus, so you are not exactly convincing me that you're town lol.

[SIZE=4][COLOR="#008080"]To any town Spartacuses (Spartaci?): do not claim yet. This may be scum attempting to bait you to plan nightkills accordingly.[/COLOR][/SIZE]


What really matters here is Brendan's intent behind his claim. It's difficult to establish it clearly right now, but I don't see a town motivation here (especially since this was already discussed mech-wise), mostly a scum one. I'm happy with my vote.

Oh, it would seem Brendan did in fact say things...

Originally Posted by Brendan

In an effort to make things more interesting, and as a gesture of good faith to my fellow town, I would like to reveal that I am Spartacus.

Didn't we already establish that we were at least waiting on the N1 kill and hoping for it to land on a town Spartacus to narrow down that pool? Besides, there is literally a scum Spartacus, so you are not exactly convincing me that you're town lol.

To any town Spartacuses (Spartaci?): do not claim yet. This may be scum attempting to bait you to plan nightkills accordingly.


What really matters here is Brendan's intent behind his claim. It's difficult to establish it clearly right now, but I don't see a town motivation here (especially since this was already discussed mech-wise), mostly a scum one. I'm happy with my vote.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;1020356]I maybe should read the setup lol.
I'm in bed so not gonna make effoot now. But I'm gonna kick ass in the morning. 2 scum should be easy to find.[/QUOTE]
-_- lol

it's not terribly complicated, really, which means we do need to try and figure out alignments. looking at you here
[QUOTE=SuperJack;1020357]Sounds like they are putting effort in. Geez MM trying to be coolm[/QUOTE]
how dare I

Thoughts on Brendan, btw? Beyond "omg he plays like this"
[QUOTE=Gikkle;1020359]he's trying to produce content that's analyzable, i don't see that as a bad thing[/QUOTE]

Ehh, I guess it can be seen that way too. It's not a big deal anyway. I still wouldn't play that way, but it's not entirely otherworldly. It is still noteworthy, however. I'm just happy that he's basically driving the discussion for now. If he starts being scummy while doing this, we can get rid of him later, but I'd say he's helpful, hence my lowering of the pressure here.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

I maybe should read the setup lol.
I'm in bed so not gonna make effoot now. But I'm gonna kick ass in the morning. 2 scum should be easy to find.

lol

it's not terribly complicated, really, which means we do need to try and figure out alignments. looking at you here

Originally Posted by SuperJack

Sounds like they are putting effort in. Geez MM trying to be coolm

how dare I

Thoughts on Brendan, btw? Beyond "omg he plays like this"

Originally Posted by Gikkle

he's trying to produce content that's analyzable, i don't see that as a bad thing

Ehh, I guess it can be seen that way too. It's not a big deal anyway. I still wouldn't play that way, but it's not entirely otherworldly. It is still noteworthy, however. I'm just happy that he's basically driving the discussion for now. If he starts being scummy while doing this, we can get rid of him later, but I'd say he's helpful, hence my lowering of the pressure here.

[QUOTE=The Nightbringer;1020345]Same thoughts as me. As I mentioned in post 36 ish. Which is my problem, he has fulfilled his 10 post minimum for the day and I'm no further ahead in getting a read on him... He's more likely to survive to endgame without anyone questioning it. I want to push him to say something more than all the out of game day to day life.[/QUOTE]

Actually, he's more likely to turn into a corpse if nothing changes. Nobody is standing out as particularly scummy (yes, I forgive you... sort of :P), and I really don't like how everyone seems to be saying "Oh, this is fine, it's how he plays" and basically giving him a free pass to coast. I would rather get rid of an actively lurking and non-contributing slot (which isn't going to be modkilled), especially early, and especially if there are few slots like this.

[vote]Brendan[/vote]
Contribute or else... :ban:

say no to coasters

Originally Posted by The Nightbringer

Same thoughts as me. As I mentioned in post 36 ish. Which is my problem, he has fulfilled his 10 post minimum for the day and I'm no further ahead in getting a read on him... He's more likely to survive to endgame without anyone questioning it. I want to push him to say something more than all the out of game day to day life.

Actually, he's more likely to turn into a corpse if nothing changes. Nobody is standing out as particularly scummy (yes, I forgive you... sort of :P), and I really don't like how everyone seems to be saying "Oh, this is fine, it's how he plays" and basically giving him a free pass to coast. I would rather get rid of an actively lurking and non-contributing slot (which isn't going to be modkilled), especially early, and especially if there are few slots like this.

-vote Brendan

Contribute or else...

say no to coasters

[QUOTE=The Nightbringer;1020340]I attempt to get people talking before I seriously start looking for scum, based on content, I decide if people are just posting to say that they are posting like SJ and Brendan or actually trying to contribute something like POD and yourself MM. So far I'm looking at the various scenarios this game could lead to and how to react accordingly.

Based on what I've seen so far, I like MM and POD, dislike SJ and Brendan and don't have enough to look at for the others[/QUOTE]

SJ always does that in the early D1. And by "doing that", I mean being cool xD. I however expect him to start being useful about... right now, considering [I]some[/I] things have been said. As for Brendan, idk. He always looked like a trolly guy to me, so I can't say I'm surprised lol, but I also don't think there's any relevant, non-outdated meta to be had on him. Therefore... well, he's not someone I would be sad to see going, but he still has time to do something. I don't really like him either, though.
(Also, mech is mech. It's cool, but it's [I]generally[/I] not alignment indicative, especially in the early game. PoD is being fine, but I wouldn't really expect him to play different as scum right now, so meh.)

Regarding yourself: I still think it's strange to try and generate talks [I]that will necessarily be closely watched by your interlocutor[/I] right out of the gate, hence my preference for the "i want to look towny, look at meeeeee" hypothesis. That said, I'm also obviously not going to have you hanged for this only lol, and you [I]are[/I] at least driving the discussion forward, which I appreciate.

Originally Posted by The Nightbringer

I attempt to get people talking before I seriously start looking for scum, based on content, I decide if people are just posting to say that they are posting like SJ and Brendan or actually trying to contribute something like POD and yourself MM. So far I'm looking at the various scenarios this game could lead to and how to react accordingly.

Based on what I've seen so far, I like MM and POD, dislike SJ and Brendan and don't have enough to look at for the others

SJ always does that in the early D1. And by "doing that", I mean being cool xD. I however expect him to start being useful about... right now, considering some things have been said. As for Brendan, idk. He always looked like a trolly guy to me, so I can't say I'm surprised lol, but I also don't think there's any relevant, non-outdated meta to be had on him. Therefore... well, he's not someone I would be sad to see going, but he still has time to do something. I don't really like him either, though.
(Also, mech is mech. It's cool, but it's generally not alignment indicative, especially in the early game. PoD is being fine, but I wouldn't really expect him to play different as scum right now, so meh.)

Regarding yourself: I still think it's strange to try and generate talks that will necessarily be closely watched by your interlocutor right out of the gate, hence my preference for the "i want to look towny, look at meeeeee" hypothesis. That said, I'm also obviously not going to have you hanged for this only lol, and you are at least driving the discussion forward, which I appreciate.

[QUOTE=The Nightbringer;1020324]Still waiting to hear from MM, he's the last person that hasn't posted yet. Based on his past posting times, I expect to hear from him in the next 4 hours.[/QUOTE]

Oho, if you're going to base yourself on my past posting times, you're in for a wild ride, because my schedule is... complicated, let's say; [I]nonexistent [/I]could be another word. I will be here when I will be here - but I will definetly be here. Worry not, I shall not be modkilled (@ your post about being happy that inactives will be smitten).

[QUOTE=SuperJack;1020329]Get MM for not posting[/QUOTE]

Get SJ for being mean :(

Originally Posted by The Nightbringer

Still waiting to hear from MM, he's the last person that hasn't posted yet. Based on his past posting times, I expect to hear from him in the next 4 hours.

Oho, if you're going to base yourself on my past posting times, you're in for a wild ride, because my schedule is... complicated, let's say; nonexistent could be another word. I will be here when I will be here - but I will definetly be here. Worry not, I shall not be modkilled (@ your post about being happy that inactives will be smitten).

Originally Posted by SuperJack

Get MM for not posting

Get SJ for being mean

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;1020310]Okay heres my thoughts: We may want mafia to kill spartacus unintentionally then we know those are real spartacus upon flips. Prob best to not claim until later in game. If we decide to have 2 town spartacus claim, and mafia does not counterclaims, then they are the first two to die. We kinda want to avoid that.

IMO: if mafia decide to claim Spartacus early, town spartacus shouldnt CC at all, and if they get nightkilled, it actually out the mafia spartacus.

Thats pretty much the only setup spec I have, not much else to go on.[/QUOTE]

Correct. The 2 town Spartacus - 1 scum Spartacus ratio was designed specifically to prevent massclaim putting wolves in boxes from the start of D1. Claimers will taste of my gladius (which was very illegally stolen from Romans, by the way. VIVA LA REVOLUCION!)

also do get better pod :) even if brendan is saying it as a way to have posted apparently, he probably means it, right? [I]Riiiiiight, Brendan?[/I]

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

Okay heres my thoughts: We may want mafia to kill spartacus unintentionally then we know those are real spartacus upon flips. Prob best to not claim until later in game. If we decide to have 2 town spartacus claim, and mafia does not counterclaims, then they are the first two to die. We kinda want to avoid that.

IMO: if mafia decide to claim Spartacus early, town spartacus shouldnt CC at all, and if they get nightkilled, it actually out the mafia spartacus.

Thats pretty much the only setup spec I have, not much else to go on.

Correct. The 2 town Spartacus - 1 scum Spartacus ratio was designed specifically to prevent massclaim putting wolves in boxes from the start of D1. Claimers will taste of my gladius (which was very illegally stolen from Romans, by the way. VIVA LA REVOLUCION!)

also do get better pod even if brendan is saying it as a way to have posted apparently, he probably means it, right? Riiiiiight, Brendan?

[QUOTE=SuperJack;1020274]I vote we set this one on fire.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;tGmeYqpixu8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGmeYqpixu8[/video]
[QUOTE=The Nightbringer;1020291](hears the mention of Mafia Universe)
Hmmm... I wonder if I've crossed you there myself. And before you ask, no, I won't be revealing who I am there.[/QUOTE]
Oh, thank you for answering my question before I even asked it: you do play on MU, and recently, at that, since you can wonder about SJ! Well well well, how [I]interesting[/I]. I can then move to the second part of my reasoning already; how fortuitous.
[QUOTE=The Nightbringer;1020272]Ah excellent! An instant reaction, votes with minimal effort and nothing more. In the interest of provoking you and to getting more reactions from others to form a baseline for analysis later, I hereby declare that I don't like you, Gikkle.[/QUOTE]

Would it also be in the interest of being seen as an active scumhunter, perchance? I feel like explicitly saying "I am doing this to get a reaction out of you!" is only going to lead to carefully-planned, unnatural reactions. Had you been a rusty old man, I would have accepted it on account of "discussing with yourself" about how the game is played, but this seems to be irrelevant here. Nightbringer, I accuse thee of attempting to gain towncred over actually finding scum!

[vote]The Nightbringer[/vote]

Originally Posted by SuperJack

I vote we set this one on fire.

Originally Posted by The Nightbringer

(hears the mention of Mafia Universe)
Hmmm... I wonder if I've crossed you there myself. And before you ask, no, I won't be revealing who I am there.

Oh, thank you for answering my question before I even asked it: you do play on MU, and recently, at that, since you can wonder about SJ! Well well well, how interesting. I can then move to the second part of my reasoning already; how fortuitous.

Originally Posted by The Nightbringer

Ah excellent! An instant reaction, votes with minimal effort and nothing more. In the interest of provoking you and to getting more reactions from others to form a baseline for analysis later, I hereby declare that I don't like you, Gikkle.

Would it also be in the interest of being seen as an active scumhunter, perchance? I feel like explicitly saying "I am doing this to get a reaction out of you!" is only going to lead to carefully-planned, unnatural reactions. Had you been a rusty old man, I would have accepted it on account of "discussing with yourself" about how the game is played, but this seems to be irrelevant here. Nightbringer, I accuse thee of attempting to gain towncred over actually finding scum!

-vote The Nightbringer

[QUOTE=The Nightbringer;1020269]Nightbringer checking in. I shall now judge avatars and people's reactions to avatars to base my opini.... (Sees Martin giving me an evil glare)
I mean welcome all to the reunion game![/QUOTE]
lol I like you. You may or may not be Roman scum, but I like you. Is this your first comeback to FM from like a decade ago, or have you played (maybe elsewhere) in the meantime?
[QUOTE=Taffy;1020271]Yours is too small on my screen ^.^

When was the previous Spartacus game? Also who won?[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, never. Pretty sure Martin just made the setup. There have been Roman-themed games in the past (such as one about Jesus and Pilate or something), but that was before my time, which means it does not exist ;)

Originally Posted by The Nightbringer

Nightbringer checking in. I shall now judge avatars and people's reactions to avatars to base my opini.... (Sees Martin giving me an evil glare)
I mean welcome all to the reunion game!

lol I like you. You may or may not be Roman scum, but I like you. Is this your first comeback to FM from like a decade ago, or have you played (maybe elsewhere) in the meantime?

Originally Posted by Taffy

Yours is too small on my screen

When was the previous Spartacus game? Also who won?

As far as I know, never. Pretty sure Martin just made the setup. There have been Roman-themed games in the past (such as one about Jesus and Pilate or something), but that was before my time, which means it does not exist ;)

[QUOTE=Gikkle;1020313]scumslip
there is no town, only rebels[/QUOTE]

PERMANENT REVOLUTION!

I exist. Hi. Brb, finding scum

Originally Posted by Gikkle

scumslip
there is no town, only rebels

PERMANENT REVOLUTION!

I exist. Hi. Brb, finding scum

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020258]While we're all waiting for the game to start, I thought it might be fun to gather thoughts on what avatar I should go with. Would you all rather play with:

[U]A. Baby Potoo[/U]

[IMG]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29601&stc=1[/IMG]

[U]B. Nevermind Walrus[/U]

[IMG]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29602&stc=1[/IMG]

or

[U]C. Silly Fruit Bat[/U]

[IMG]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29603&stc=1[/IMG][/QUOTE]

XD they are truly hilarious

I, for one, vote for A.

Originally Posted by Taffy

While we're all waiting for the game to start, I thought it might be fun to gather thoughts on what avatar I should go with. Would you all rather play with:

A. Baby Potoo



B. Nevermind Walrus



or

C. Silly Fruit Bat

XD they are truly hilarious

I, for one, vote for A.

[IMG]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F86%2F23%2Fe0%2F8623e04bb3a5f10b530e4cc945e02501.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=43e59161c3fa75dd2f4b6bc8d24587dfcd3d78b043995b6c319ccc7be1f29bfc&ipo=images[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Taffy;1020250]Now also with my [I]own[/I] account :shy:[/QUOTE]

Haha, welcome :) glad you're joining us!

Originally Posted by Taffy

Now also with my own account

Haha, welcome glad you're joining us!

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