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    Poll: ►►Re: S-FM 305 Signups: Spirits IIc (LADDER)◄◄

    The setup that initially interested me and made me into playing FM here.
    Well, now I know that I wouldn't be a good person to take part anyway. Once again thanks for the newbie game. @deathworlds -senpai for the help.
    I don't think I'll be getting online anymore else, so that's for that little time we spent together.

    Enjoy the setup!
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    ►►Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    SJ should get the MVP for making this happen.
    I don't know who else to nominate. Everyone did fine on their own imo so gj all
    Maybe we all play another game sometime soon
    Next game after Magellan is going to be Naz's one day 6vs2 I believe. 72 day time, lynch on D1 ends the game.
    And after that there will be probably ladder Spirits II, very cool setup I wanted to take part in, but I cannot :/
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    ►►Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Good Game everyone!

    Why did I just get thanked?
    I baited you into writing in the thread to check SuperJack's reaction and be able to predict how far I can move in rulebreaking.

    Not really. I believe both Auwt and me (in the PM from me) have explained it.

    Also you have cute Probe ♥
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    ►►Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    Let me explain why I have left the game.

    I took the game very seriously and it influenced me. It made me very stressed. The longer I played, the more I thought about FM, and was tired in mental way. I came to a moment where I spent hours on reading thread and couldn't get any conclusion. It also influenced my behaviour IRL, I was angry and vexed all the time. There was also more into that.
    Game came to the point when it literally too dangerous for me to play.

    My firsts thoughts about leaving the game were on EoD D1.
    I spoke with DW and he suggested me speaking about it with SJ.
    But do not worry. For mentioned reasons I am unable to play FM anymore, so we will not meet again @Grakylan . I am happy SJ created situation when this happened in newbie friendly game, rather than something bigger and more serious.
    After I left I felt relieved from the stress and not only, so it didn't prevent me from following the game.
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    ►►Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    Due to some personal reasons I am unable to participate any more in this game. I know it is not fair toward most of you, for you have put a lot of effort to read me and interact with me.
    I believe someone will replace me soon.

    I found the game pretty interesting, but also more time consuming and engaging than I expected. There are other reasons as well. It was a pleasure I could play with people on similar level to mine but some of you are standing out high above me in deduction and analysis.

    Thanks @bakermir for coming to the game. I hope you are having fun. You make some really good job.

    Thanks awesome Deathworlds-senpai for support (My Great Higher Entity!) and teaching how to play as aggressive Town. He is a great mentor! Spent a lot of time to explaim me FM and meta behaviour in his free time. That was great help.

    Also thanks to Maylante SuperJack for organizing this all and his patience toward my poking him all the time. But all in all I haven't broken rule 11.

    I am sorry for disappointing Auwt, he probably hoped for a nice game with me. But you are doing well, good luck. I am unlikely to join other FM games, so I am sorry for disappointing @secondpassing as well.

    I will see some of you in -Mafia-. Bye.

    They are arrows in the quiver. They must be spent if we are to win this.
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    ►►Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Please Dallarian if you really are some town investigative, put your clue on the table.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    Hi, I have some questions for you.

    When you soft claimed a power role earlier, what did you hope to achieve with that claim.
    Are you a power role?

    If so, would you feel comfortable specifying if its an investigative or a protective? (no exact role, that would be TOO much to ask for.)
    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Your theory on Dallarian is a possibility too. Leaving a vote on Zedus, soft claiming power but giving no input for day two.
    Is there anything unclear about my attitude to Zedus? I believe I have explained my thoughts about that pretty well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Ash, Dallarian we all know you are powers, I do not ask you to reveal your roles (but you could).

    But please answer the question : Can your role be proven, and have you find anything useful to make the game progress in any direction?
    I believe it all began here:

    #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    So here is my thought on everyone way of talking / votes / alignment / role / cooperation

    Dallarian : Obviously a rebel, and a scum wtf.

    Null read. I do not know the role tho but I dont think he is Citizen at all, he knows he can bring something.
    As –Mafia- player I am confident with player roles like Bodyguard, Doctor and Citizen. I believe I can help town with discussion. I related this to FM. I believed I can contribute into the game. It turned out to be harder than I expected.

    Then bakermir said this that post and some others were indicative for my power claim:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    Good night.
    I will leave you with one question.

    Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin?
    As I explained in #490:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    This question is begining of thought I wanted to develop. Is it worth using night actions on Zedus, if we can close this slot and focus our attention on less suspicious people?
    The question was a part of my building case against Zedus. As you could see, I focused on him a lot during D1.

    I have no idea why I am Power role read. Could you point out more at me, please? There was no reason to fight with such claim, I would be happy to die at night as meatshield for our Power Roles.

    My role is Citizen and I have received no night feedback.

    I hope you can put more light on your claim. I am curious what else suggested I am Power Role. Also I am sorry Auwt for disappointing you.
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    ►►Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    First of all I am very happy that Grakylan started seriously playing. I also expected Helltanis to be replaced. I am happy he have tried FM.
    I find it difficult to follow the game. Pure reading takes me too much time and FM turned out to be more involving than I expected. It takes me a few hours to just read posts made over night. I feel overwhelmed by content. Yes, it took me too long to write this post. You can add it to my being suspicious list.

    Most of are my thoughts after D1. I haven't thought over the current situation yet, but I am aware I am being Mafia read by majority.
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I hope everyone eventually reads my Tinfoil Theory at #623.
    I don't see connection between Auwt and Grakylan. Auwt's claims influenced majority of players, including both of us. There were some fair points pointed at them, but I do not have a newer thought about the situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post

    Right now my
    reads list has 3 nulls, 1 scum lean, 1 town lean, 1 town lock. (#623)

    Yours has the same but instead of 3 nulls and 1 scum lean, you have 4 nulls. (#62
    Our town-lean on renegade was the same.
    It's my first FM ever as well and I simply have no idea who could be Mafia right now. Your analysis process is different and more powerful than mine. I fall behind with game analysis. Now we have more content from Grakylan so I have what to work with. Also I believe in current situation I can find bakermir townie regardless if Grakylan is Mafia or Town. I try to judge people for their actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    If you're going to accuse me of power hunting, I think you should at least accue Auwt Too. By determining who's a citizen, whoever is left must be a TPR. He wrote off at least 4 people at various points (Martin, Helltanis, Grakylan) as citizens in these quotes. And with Zedus dead, well, anyone else they knew as town are TPRs and they're going to kill them, assuming Auwt is scum.
    Auwt isn't oracle. You neither. Assuming his all D1 Citizen claims are true is risky. However now some of them are confirmed. If Mafia assumed it being correct estimate of situation, perhaps Mafia could be people who are easily influenced and going a lot with flow.
    I'd say Renegade was more likely to get killed, because of his more "closed" gameplay (unlikely to be healed) and being town read by majority of the people.

    About your theory I wouldn't say Auwt is hiding under the radar. Also comparing post count is dumb. Auwt created more content than Helltanis did and activity isn't aligment indicative. For me Auwt's lower post count is positive thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    So, because of this situation above, if you truly believe that I am scum team with Auwt, then I suggest you lynch Auwt first.
    This is going pretty far and you have probably convinced me you're not in team with Auwt. I withdraw from Martin/Auwt Mafia team idea. Suggesting to lynch Auwt first puts you in a bad light, though. Mafia!Martin would for sure used his skill to defend himself after Auwt's mislynch and as long as he convinces one Townie not to vote him, he would be safe. If (I am unsure if you claimed that, please point it out to me) Grakylan is more scummier than Auwt, what should we do with him after Auwt mislynch? I can believe you would be building a strong cause against him on D3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Zedus (5 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Ash Lael, Dallarian, Grakylan, Renegade
    And thats how I came to a conclusion that since Renegade died, Dallarian has 2 options.

    First - He is scum so he would obviously not target himself.
    Second - He is a town and it was a 50/50 between Dallarian/Renegade.
    Already asked by Ash, I need to search for answer.
    Why would Mafia limit themselfs to guilty voters who have actually helped them, and not consider you? If I was Mafia you would be pretty high on my "to kill" list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    Also could I bring up attention to the beginning of Day 1. Page 4. Dallarian votes Auwt. Then a short while later, I vote Auwt. Both of us had pretty bogus reasons, but Ash goes up to question ME and ME only about my vote, and not Dallarian as well.
    I explained the reason why I voted Auwt. First thing you have done was to join vote train on Auwt, then you read earlier conversation, said sorry and switched to a longer train. I see here significant behaviour difference. Vote on Auwt wasn't what people found scummy, but following trains. Martin made pretty accurate observation about the whole situation during End of Day 1.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post

    Say it with me. Auwt is not a low-lying mafia. He is pure town.

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    He appears and convinced me to be pure town. I deny town tunneling him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    Jokes fly over our head. Plus if it was a joke he probably would have unvoted pretty soon. But the fact that he kept his vote for many hours after he cast it and my whole messy introduction says wonders about Dallarian. Even with the context of the grudge, the vote stayed for a long time. That doesn't seem like a joke.
    My vote was directed to Auwt and stayed until his answer. I expected him to arrive soon and I wasn't wrong. In terms of different sleep patterns a few hours isn't that long. Also explained by Martin.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    Dallarian was talking a lot Day 1 and he suddenly became a lot less active. Not sure if busy or if something is up.
    I am overwhelmed with content. I woke up 3 hours ago (update, 6 hours) and only thing I do is reading what happened at night.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Has anyone else noticed that Grak today is almost like a completely different person, by the way?

    Day one he was, in his own words, a headless chicken. Today he’s come in with confident reads and a clear agenda.

    It’s almost like he spent the night phase chatting with someone and formulating a strategy.
    Power of having a mentor.
    Also good moment to thank to Gyrlander. Thanks @Gyrlander .
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    I would add that any scum team that does not include Grak makes the green check real so we can rule out some worlds like Dallarian/bakemir on that basis.
    Well unless bakemir is exactly Godfather I guess.
    We can assume bakermir is not GF.

    @Grakalyn Yes, I was avoiding a few smaller questions D1. I didn't feel need to be over defensive and answer every single post. Is there something you woud like to ask me?
    Except for my role.
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    ►►Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    My thoughts about Auwt after D1:

    Auwt played I would say rather peaceful Day 1. He was distanced from fights that occurred D1 and was questioning in search for information. I believe this allowed him to see the game in greater scale. He posted high quality content and wasn’t afraid of putting his thoughts which sometimes surprised people. There is literally no reason for me not to believe Auwt is Town. He played a perfect Town game to me and is easy choice to me for Town lead.

    And this is what worries me. He appears to play a very careful game and it is possible he tried not to slip as mafia.

    This may be either strong Town play, but I consider possibility if Auwt was playing such way because of being Mafia.

    There is one fact I find important. He is influentive person and his claims change the game. He reasonably supports his posts and is very convincing.

    Look at how many people considered voting bakermir in late D1. They could suspect him earlier, but Auwt’s vote was what made them consider changing their statement. It is just one of examples, I believe everyone is aware his reads influence other people’s reads, likely including me. I would like to promote people more openly speak what they think.

    There is nothing wrong with Auwt’s play and he looks fine for me,but I need to see where his actions go now.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post

    Don't tunnel your scum reads, and don't tunnel your town reads either. I've been burned way too many times from thinking "there's no way this person is scum" and it just gives them an easy win if they can just not rock the boat once they've achieved that town status.
    I also haven't explained why team Auwt/Martin could be a thing.
    But it is already too late for me.

    Also a lot of happend, I guess I will have a lot of work in the morning. Good night.
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    ►►Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    This:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    I have got a few questions regarding yesterday’s actions:
    Mentioning Ash Lael part:

    Didn’t you go too far with this statement? You mentioned it as “easy world” and supported this post with later mentioned “hard world”, but still considering 4 people, confirms atleast 2 Townies in this group. They are perceived as potential Mafia for similar reasons (except for Martin) and since one of them could (actually did, I wish I’ve written this post before End of Day) be Town, then lynching everyone from this group would be an easy way for Mafia victory. You later followed:

    I find you open-minded, but isn’t it too narrow thinking?
    And this (the same thing):

    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    #138 explain my reasons for defending Martin. I find both him and Ash too general about their lynch list, they appeared to be content if we lynched anyone from suspicious group. This thing prevents me from fully Town reading Ash and put Martin below neutral read.
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Considering this, I would love to hear what you are talking about.
    I am unsure if Ash already answered this. A lot of is happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    How dare you pointing Martin being supicious in early D1, while you defended him in the early D1??
    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    Let me explain why I have defended Martin.

    In the beginning of the game, Martin has began a question I find off-top and neutral to the game itself. The question have pushed us into content and conversation. Before start of the game I was afraid we would have difficulty in establishing conversation at all and we would end up having low activity and no information.
    After 7 hours of the game I believed Martin was put at L-2 (he was actually at L-3), with contribution to the game from 5 players total, and 2 players haven’t said a word yet. With Zedus contribution and if Grakylan’s vote was correct, Martin would be put at L-1 after 11 hours of game. Hammering him would be easy at that point.
    We gained and are still gaining information from this day and I believe it would be waste if we lost 75% of the day due to speed lynch. I am happy I convinced Ash Lael to temporary remove his vote on Martin in order not to finish day and I find it my personal first small victory in mafia.
    Some may not know yet, but if Martin is voted by total of 5 people the day ends automatically. There is no trial like in mod mafia.
    It doesn’t mean I trust Martin.

    In this situation uwu, I found defending Martin beneficial, regardless of his aligment.
    #138 explain my reasons for defending Martin. I find both him and Ash too general about their lynch list, they appeared to be content if we lynched anyone from suspicious group. This thing prevents me from fully Town reading Ash and put Martin below neutral read.
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    I have got a few questions regarding yesterday’s actions:

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post

    Some of my old reads I made in my ISO are trying to shift between scuminess and towniness.
    What do you mean in a literal way? Concerning the sense of the sentence. I simply don’t get it.



    @bakermir , if during end of day Helltanis was around L-2 or L-1, would you vote him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Ok, so. If we live in easy world, the scum team is one of Zedus/Martin along with one of Helltanis/Grakyln. We have 4 lynches as long as we hit at least one scum, so if we just chain lynch this entire group of players we are guaranteed to win.
    Didn’t you go too far with this statement? You mentioned it as “easy world” and supported this post with later mentioned “hard world”, but still considering 4 people, confirms atleast 2 Townies in this group. They are perceived as potential Mafia for similar reasons (except for Martin) and since one of them could (actually did, I wish I’ve written this post before End of Day) be Town, then lynching everyone from this group would be an easy way for Mafia victory. You later followed:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    but given just how scummy the other four are I feel fairly good about the idea that we just have a winning process of elimination.
    I find you open-minded, but isn’t it too narrow thinking?
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    Here I have my thoughts about each player after day 1:

    SJ –Oppressive, enforces the law and uses his power to order people around. Legends say has power to kill people, but he behaves more like Mayor. What if he’s both Vigilante and Mayor? Maylante? Strongest host read here.

    Auwt – I am preparing another post dedicated only to him.

    Renegade – observes and asks questions to find out more, however I don’t really know what is going in his mind. A bit “cold”. I do not know what motives him. His actions seem to be reasonable. Slightly town.

    Ash Lael – Trying to solve game, asked constructive questions to both Zedus and Martin. Is more open than Renegade with his thoughts what makes me find him townie. But there’s one thing that’s worrying me.

    Helltanis - is definitely lost in what’s going on. I need more information. Lurking Mafia perhaps?

    Grakylan – newbie behaviour. Weird End of Day content, but it is natural to fight for our survival. Changing vote to Zedus is not aligment indicative. I need more information. Lurking Mafia perhaps?

    bakermir – jumps very early to attack, but his intention seems to be fair and clear to me. I hope today we will have a lot of information about him.

    Martin – suspicious behaviour in early D1. His short posts style makes it difficult for me to follow him. Reacted very defensively after push on him, but I don’t find it aligment indicative. Both activity and effort aren’t aligment indicative. A bit too general in terms of lynching? Does he care who’s getting lynched?

    Zedus - unlikely to move or speak any more.
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    I find bakermir slightly defending Zedus, but from my –Mafia- opinion I have on bakermir, I do not believe he would protect his mafia friend this way. He easily manipulates people around to do what he wants, but I do not believe this is the case. This is information I haven’t confirmed in FM.

    Early game situation between #100-#200 shows how people get easily influenced by Auwt. After Auwt post some strong content, the way people perceive game changes. I try to distance myself from his reads, for he is very convicing person. If Zedus is Mafia, then I do not believe bakermir is his friend.

    I thought Zedus over. His altitude changed to the game completely. I was likely to believe he have done newbie mistakes and tries to play game with newer, more open-minded approach as townie.

    However, on his “evil” approach first he denied admitting to manipulate Martin, then he said random lynch and lynch is same thing for him.
    On his “new” approach, after being asked for it, he didn’t really answer my question and went around. Just as if he hoped we will forget about some things after his defence and fully accept it. I find it hiding an inconvenient fact, what is suspicious for me and together with his earlier behaviour I maintain my opinion on him as Mafia Member.

    -vote Zedus
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    ►►Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    -unvote

    Let me finish what I am writing currently.
    I'll be back on you soon, don't you worry.
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    A bit offtop.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    His introduction seems to suggest he's new to the idea of Mafia.
    Feel trolled.
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    So, yes. I think Helltanis is being a powerless townie. Not by choice, though. Dallarian summoned him probably from another game or off the interweebs.
    My main in RPG games usually is Summoner.

    @Ash Lael
    That's consistent of Auwt to vote on bakermir.
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    ►►Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    Grakylan (1 [L-4]):
    MartinGG99
    Zedus (1 [L-4]):
    Dallarian
    Helltanis (2 [L-3]):
    Grakylan, Renegade
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    @Helltanis
    Work on your style please. Your posts are difficult to read, have many errors and are short. Try to think more about the case, but a few posts together and read them before you post it, remove errors.
    You're still harder to read than SJ.
    I start thinking Hellstorm is being pushed for his bad style and being easy pray.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    I suspect Zedus to be in team with Helltanis.
    I find no reason for such claim now. I find no connection between them. The thought was based on both's suspicious behaviour and Helltanis' trying to put attention on Martin, which isn't probably true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Where are the EU folks? We have around 5.5 hours until EOD.
    Reading, thinking over, preparing heavy cannons.
    We had productive discussion today. I would be probably pushing Helltanis right now, but I am focusing right now on someone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    Not to say that you should be posting as little as possible, you should always post when you feel like you have something important to say. The game culture currently swings into a lot of little micro posts which is incredibly tedious/annoying to keep up with. Think of your posts as very valuable, make them count. Don't fall into the trap of slinging low effort micro posts all the time because I believe it encourages bad habits.
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    I need to reevaluate Zedus' position in the game.
    I keep my vote on him for earlier mentioned reason.
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    ►►Re: S-FM Summer 2020◄◄

    Auwt, you have observed I am being aggressive in the very begining of the game. Why you are not questioning me for my attacks on Zedus?
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    @Zedus
    One, even most uwu post is not going to change my opinion about you right now.
    But atleast you stopped playing like Jester. That’s a nice change.

    How do you now, after your strategy change, consider things like:

    Calling any lynch D1 to be random lynch, and manipulating to make Martin appear to want random lynch?
    What is your answer to #484?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Dallarian what do you think about a vote on Martin (just asking).
    He rushed his question too quickly. That could be indeed scum attempt to gather information. I had to protect him because it was right thing to do, as I have already mentioned long time ago.
    I don't trust him, but if Zeduk is Mafia, then Martin is townie.
    I would need more arguments than mentioned to vote Martin, however I am pretty sure there was something mentioned earlier, what was right point against Martin.
    But right now Zeduk is more Mafia than Martin is.

    I go, see you later.
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    Yes, first of all I have fun playing this game with you.

    Some my other thoughts. A bit brief and not supported by quotes. I hope I will be able to expand it. Expect it late D1, in my lw or early D2.

    Auwt is playing very accurate to the setup. He’s pushing people, but not in aggressive way. He knows we have time and can mislynch. He’s not forcing his will upon others. Also is aware others are watching him with great attention and are ready to follow him. His actions doesn’t appear to harm town in any way. He is very aware of the setup in my view, which is not aligment indicative. Looks like strong town, but can be anything.

    SJ is patroling streets, ensuring peace in the town and has ability to kill people. Obvious Vigilante to me.

    Martin is one big question mark. But he’s not Zedus’ Mafia friend.

    I would need to reread Renegate to establish my opinion upon him. Seems to be fine.

    Ash Lael has good beginning, later a few good questions. But that’s all. He seemed to be town, but now I am unsure.

    I still don’t trust bakermir, but he’s not Zedus’ Mafia friend as well.

    Helltanis “syndrome of headless chicken, townie running from vote to vote without idea what’s going on”, but he seems to genuinly have no idea what’s going on.

    I need to reread Grakylan. He is still suspicious for me. Could be “syndrome of headless chicken, townie running from vote to vote without idea what’s going on”.

    I believe I have written enough about Zedus already. Highly likely to be Mafia member.

    On bottom of the hell scum and rebel Dallarian. Never trust him.

    I suspect Zedus to be in team with Helltanis.

    Another possibility would be Auwt with Martin. They cooperate pretty well, don’t they?


    I need time I don’t have. I am aware these are a bit general, but this is how I “feel” players right now. I am busy now and may remain busy for idk how long. It may be difficult for me to follow conversation today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    Good night.
    I have no idea what I will be doing today (26 June) all the day. I may be active just as yesterday, or will be unable to contribute in significant way. I hope you will find something to agree on.

    I will leave you with one question.
    Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin?
    This question is begining of thought I wanted to develop. Is it worth using night actions on Zedus, if we can close this slot and focus our attention on less suspicious people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    I wonder why Dallarian left a vote on someone and went afk for that long period of a time. At the same time he was like "oh no votes! hammering risk!".
    Also in some of his posts he pretty much revealed a power role. Thats really weird to me with that afk vote on zedus.
    Zedus could have been lynched already but somehow he is back to 1 vote.
    I am unsure how much time available I will have today. It is possible I may not come during End of Day, so I will not be able to vote. I wasn’t even sure if I would be able to write this post today.
    We agreed upon not lynching till End of Day, a lot of people didn’t vote or cancelled their vote in order to prevent hammering. I could safely assume Zedus wouldn’t be lynched during my absence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    First, I said check him OR me, and protect him OR me.
    Second, I told I will explain this after I will be confirmed. Or he will be. Not now. This is kinda town strat you don't know. If you are prot/invest, you can try it or ignore, up to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    4. If town is smart and prots/invests follow my plan (oh, according for your croud-like actions it's low chance, but my hope will die last), we will probably have up to 4 confirmed townies next day. I will explain that after we get some info.
    As I have observed earlier, you are trying to control owour Town Power Roles's actions, which, as far as I know should be as secret as possible, to prevent mafia from using that info.

    I am kind of repeating my previous post, but if you know what result of night actions will be, you can easily manipulate town to lose it's potential.

    You are promising us much, so that we follow your plan, which may in fact lead us to nothing. And there’s possibility attention on D2 will turn toward someone else.
    You can’t expect Invest role to open claim early D2 only because they found no clue about you being Mafia. I believe, someone talking about intelligence all the time, should be aware of this. Openly confirming you would be risky.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Well, Dallarian protecting him so hard, so he is more suspicious for me then even Martin, lol.
    If Martin is 99.9% scum, then am I 100%? Why are you voting Martin if I am more confirmed Mafia than him?
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    I am reading slowly throught everything and refering to things 10 pages ago.
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    As to myself I see 2 scum team comp possible at the moment.
    The second one is Dallarian/Martin, as I said Dallarian like using non town inclusive pronouns and speech and tried his best to get Martin in a safer spot. Martin could be seen as a misleading townie as Zedus pointed out some post above in that case.
    To be honest, I expected you to put me in team with Martin a bit earlier.
    Also I explained "using non town inclusive pronouns" in #201. I am unsure if someone read it, cause nobody reacted to this.
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    Good night.
    I have no idea what I will be doing today (26 June) all the day. I may be active just as yesterday, or will be unable to contribute in significant way. I hope you will find something to agree on.

    I will leave you with one question.
    Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I agree. Zebus's reaction is totally out of proportion to what he is losing it over.
    How does this help town @Zedus ? Hint: It doesn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Considering everyone has been here since Zedus has arrived and posted, I thought about my reads a fair bit for everyone.
    Scum Lean
    Zedus: Provided, he hasn't posted much. But with his posts all he has done is socialize a tiny bit with no content, and just vote me with only 2 posts explaining why. Also, as I see it, he was implying that a no-lynch was better than any lynch at all. But I could be wrong given that he voted me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Zedus : Second post directly attacking Martin (first post was : "Well I'm here"). And I dont believe math/stats are really favoring Martin as a scum more than a desesperate townie with the most vote on him. Medium/Heavy scumread as well.
    Is anyone going to join me on vote against Zedus? I find it weird that everyone got on Martin so quickly, and while Zedus is so suspicious and scumread by a lot of people I am the only person voting on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    The truth is I just like appearing smart. It's difficult to admit but sometimes I have an ego problem it holds me back. For example, sometimes I'd rather be thought of smart and evil, than having made a mistake and Town. I'm working on that, but I hope you don't expect everyone to play perfectly all the time. That standard doesn't exist in the real world. People can be wrong and Town at the same time.
    There is no use of Town Martin if he's dead for being evil.
    It's your goal to help our faction and for that you should survive to contribute.

    Well, I made a mistake already as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    So my reads so far:
    Dallarian - still holding on to a grudge and targeting a player even after he withdraw his vote on him. Slight scum lean?
    Null on everyone else.
    I wasn't voted by anyone yet in this game. I am unsure what player you are talking about. Can you explain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    If he will not be lynched, he is the primary target for invest roles to check.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town.
    I dislike the OwO! fact, how as a highly suspicious person you are telling our Town Investigative roles what to do. As if you were trying to control few night actions we have.


    If you were Mafia who is aware of Martin's aligment, if Martin is checked tonight (specially after Auwt suggested Martin may be Citizen) you can be sure that Invest roles will waste their night action on him, weakening the town tommorow.

    What are your exact reasons to maintain your vote on Martin right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Then I must consider this an act of treason.



    I'm sorry, Banana. You left me no choice.
    I used to like you.
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    @SuperJack

    Someone suggested that previous game. How much roles are random? It is possible to have 7 citizens? Are roles balanced in any way? Can composition Framer+No Invest roles happen?
    Do you "reroll" stupid role combinations?
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    Failed to annoy Renegade.
    @Renegade
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    EU activity window is going to close within 1-4 hours, so if you want to engage in discussion in mid of D1, better hurry up. After that window we will have lose discussion as earlier today and decisions shall be made a few hours before end of D1.
    @bakermir
    @Renegate
    @Ash Lael
    @Zedus (EU player?)
    @Grakylan (EU player?)
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    I probably got misunderuwustood and at first I have ignored it, but it may be used against me later in the game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Page 4-5
    Dallarain said my the town win and dint include himself makes me think his sus
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Yeah exactly I had the same thought, Dallarian's speech has a lot of non-town inclusive way of talking that's part of why I put him as null read even though Dallarian made some great posts.
    At first I had no idea what post are you relating to and I found it difficult to find it. I hope am quoting the correct one:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    Hi all gl hf
    And may the Town win.
    For me it looks and feel natural. I find it fine to say "Let Slavic Team win." in Football, "British shall rule the sky!" in aircraft battle or in 2vs2 unranked "Let the Protoss win!" when both me and my friend are playing Protoss vs some Terran and Zerg combination (or pretty often in mirrors!). I don't feel a need to include myself and clarify to reader that I belong to the group I am mentioning, when I find it obvious the reader will know.

    It is probably some English Grammar thing I haven't covered. I will research this further, I do not want to get lynched for such little things, after all.
    English is my secondary languange I have begun to learnt pretty late compared to my peers. In case you haven't realised I am not native English, I will treat that as personal complement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Lynching d1 can be only random. Well, except lynching someone like you, who offering this terrible move.
    I am afraid majority may have different opinion about that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    "Felt"? It's not about feeling. It's math. That REAL math, that lynched one will be most likely townie. 77% chance. Only evil or stupid can offer this shit move for town. Are you evil or stupid? If just stupid, then please, calm down and don't try to lead town to hell with your stupid arguments. But by default, I think that there are no stupids here. If you are not stupid and not evil, why are you so lynch-happy?
    Are we going to wait till chances of lynching Mafia are higher than 50%? Or do you want Marshall to win the game for you? We do not know if we even have Investigative/Goverment roles, that's important difference from -Mafia-.
    We don't need to lynch d1, but it's an opportunity we can use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Dallarian : Obviously a rebel, and a scum wtf.
    That's a complement to read these words from your keyboard, my rival.
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Trying to look less evil with this post? I find that strange. And also apparently doesnt want to be stuck into "small things"
    Basicly I am trying not to get scumread for something like that. I was really surprised when it was used as a valid argument against you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I never suggested that we random lynch. Only that we lynch. There's a very distinct difference in lynching and random lynching. The only thing making this a non-random lynch, as you've proposed it, is the fact that you disagreed with lynching because you felt it was more likely to get a town, and that you believe im scummy.
    Please don't use that dark purple. I almost can't read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Btw, if one of mafs will be jailed/roleblocked, they cannot kill? How does it works here?
    If mafia is jailed, then I guess the second member will do night kill.
    If person who is trying to kill gets RBed, I guess no kill happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    In the case MartinGG99 will not be lynched (he still can be very dumb town, not evil, so lynching him is some risk), I ask investigating roles to keep eye on him and his defenders. His "math" is total anti-town bullshit. Maybe he just have some problems with counting, maybe. But I prefer to think that this is an attempt to confuse everyone. Random lynching d1 is WORST thing town can do. That's why d1 lynch impossbile in most mafia games, IRL or Arcade. Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random.
    I believe it's possible to find mafia member d1 and lynch it. Well, that's exacly what happened the previous game (poor Ganelion). Also, in this setup we can afford mislynch. The most important thing is to gain information and learn from our mistakes.

    I wonder why you tried to manipulate Martin's post. Would you like to explain that to me?
    -vote Zedus
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    I am careful with naming people I can trust and I have habit from modded mafia of trusting only people who are supported by lws, so I find it difficult to townread anyone. I am not even sure if I get the idea correctly. Most of below are more opinion than actual read.

    1. Auwut is a strong player I need more information him. If he is tOwOn he will try to lead a bit more in the future, unless he protects himself. I need to see where it goes first.

    2.
    Renegate sees and observes and asks right questions. Is likely to be Townie.

    3. bakermir doesn’t have my trust. He’s clever and he want to see Martin dead as soon as possible, what openly opposes my opinion and is suspicious for me. He can quickly become town leader and lead us to victory after Martins turns out to be scum, but can be also clever scum trying to focus attention far from mafia. Calls lynch “trial”, to confuse modded players and let them think that their vote doesn’t kill? I have no opinion on his aligment yet, both his town and mafia players sometimes look scummy.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    4. @MartinGG99
    I am also heavily disturbed by the fact that we have 2 mafias alive and Martin is being slow voted.
    biggest scum read here. i believe he needs to be trialed today as soon as possible.
    4. It was hard for me to see what you all have against Martin, but then I found out that he asked his question very early, as If he was afraid we will begin some different topic. It wasn’t reaction to low activity or warmup for everyone.
    This convinced me his behaviour was suspicious. I wonder how much “being inexperienced” plays role here. Still need to read a bit more.

    5. It’s too early for my opinion about Helltanis. It would be easier to make read about SJ...

    6. Zedus easily follows train on Martin, manipulated Martin’s post to suggest that Martin want to random lynch and then tries to lynch Martin for that reason. Looks like he tried to look for any reason to lynch Martin. Looks like Mafia member.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    MartinGG99there is NO REASON for townies be lynch-happy d1.
    -vote MartinGG99
    7. I can judge Grakylan only for his 3 posts. Easily accusses a lot of people. His behaviour turns on alarms in my head. I wonder if he will do anything before lynch. I am unsure who looks more scummy, Zedus or Grakylan.

    8. Ash Lael just like Renegate, a bit more active. Doesn’t rush and asks questions that should be asked. Seems to be Town.
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    I wanted to post some more content in a few minutes, but Some Game Studio stream has just began, so please excuse me for few hours.
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    Let me explain why I have defended Martin.

    In the beginning of the game, Martin has began a question I find off-top and neutral to the game itself. The question have pushed us into content and conversation. Before start of the game I was afraid we would have difficulty in establishing conversation at all and we would end up having low activity and no information.
    After 7 hours of the game I believed Martin was put at L-2 (he was actually at L-3), with contribution to the game from 5 players total, and 2 players haven’t said a word yet. With Zedus contribution and if Grakylan’s vote was correct, Martin would be put at L-1 after 11 hours of game. Hammering him would be easy at that point.
    We gained and are still gaining information from this day and I believe it would be waste if we lost 75% of the day due to speed lynch. I am happy I convinced Ash Lael to temporary remove his vote on Martin in order not to finish day and I find it my personal first small victory in mafia.
    Some may not know yet, but if Martin is voted by total of 5 people the day ends automatically. There is no trial like in mod mafia.
    It doesn’t mean I trust Martin.

    In this situation uwu, I found defending Martin beneficial, regardless of his aligment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    @Helltanis

    Editing a post is not allowed in the game
    .
    Is it possible to return the post to it's primar state by Moderator or Administrator? @SuperJack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Ah I just wait for a mentor...
    Don't wait, play with us, interact, write your thoughts.
    You can start by answering Martin's question from page 1, or saying your thoughts about what happened on pages 1-4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Those "small things" could and will probably make a difference between a true townie and a true scum.
    Be sure that I will look on "small things" as much as I can, even if I'm confusing new players.
    I wish we were masons together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Okay my bad on this, didnt see the "1" in day column
    Btw what are you refering to by saying this ?
    I am refering to my post #76 where I quoted, that Martin lied about amount of people needed to lynch someone.
    Martin's post is somewhere between page 2 and 3.

    Such small things can confuse our new players, everyone please avoid that.
    However, calling everyone a lier isn't probably the best thing for me.
    I am sorry.
    @Auwt @MartinGG99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post

    Guys, can we please stop answering Martin’s dumb question?
    He have set up conversation and let us to the point where you can put some conclusions.
    I appreciate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post

    Basicaly it's very similiar to -Mafia- in sc2, except day lasts 24h in real life and night also does.
    Day lasts 48 hours. Another small lie.
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