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  1. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Doxing

    Thread Author:Helz

    Post Author:Renegade

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    ►►Re: Doxing◄◄

    Man ya'll never stop bragging about the Necro dox.
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    [Role Change] ►►Re: Cult should convert night immune NKs◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by GiskardReventlov View Post
    It is, I was just joking. I think some people abuse Cult to grief and ruin town MVP's game when they're about to lose by converting them
    Semi related, but some thoughts I typed out yesterday on the discord:

    Nobody likes their alignment abruptly changing. Cult is impossible to balance, every night conversion too strong, every other night too weak. I haven't played much with cult leader but I imagine it is frustrating because you fate is decided by how a single person plays.

    The impossibility to balance comes from the mechanic of changing alignments. It is a big sign that it shouldn't generally be allowed. Town should not change alignment. Special cases are amnesiac, frankly a role that is too much of a kingmaker. If they side with Mafia that typically means Mafia wins. And auditor. Who if self audits becomes town. I think they should become scumbag not stump to again preserve alignment.

    Your alignment is extremely important and one of the most fundamental mechanics to the game. It affects everything you do. To have it switched against your will mid game is not fun and just not a good mechanic.

    You get stuff like town begging to be recruited to cult, throwing as town to join the cult and win. You get towns that get recruited into impossible situations and end up losing at no fault to their own.

    Cult is so bad and so difficult to balance that most cult saves have an auditor to help masons recruit. So let's stop pretending.
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    [Role Change] ►►Re: Cult should convert night immune NKs◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by GiskardReventlov View Post
    Adding an option for Crier not to be convertible to Cult would be nice. That happened to me one time and I got lynched almost immediately when I stopped talking at night...
    Isn't that the risk cult runs when recruiting gov?

    Like a marshall who can't call a second group lynch, or a mayor that loses his votes...
  4. ►►Re: Electro and Poisoner Considered Useless: Frinckles Manages to Ignore the Community Once Again◄◄

    I'd love to have a conversation about day kills. But why even try?
  5. ►►Re: Electro and Poisoner Considered Useless: Frinckles Manages to Ignore the Community Once Again◄◄

    I'll just disable all the new roles and host my own lobbies. If I get repicked then to echo the famous clan, CHOO CHOO. It's not worth playing useless broken roles.

    I'm not going to run the numbers to reveal the obvious, because even if I did you wouldn't back down on your stubbornness to fix the broken roles

    I have a lot of problems with some of the new roles, but I chose to focus on these two because it is the most blatant and glaring example of your "vision" just not working. Poll the community on it.

    Please don't add more roles. Far too many were rushed through as it is.
  6. ►►Re: Electro and Poisoner Considered Useless: Frinckles Manages to Ignore the Community Once Again◄◄

    Until this issue is addressed, please join me and other reasonable players in 1.0 lobbies. See you there!
  7. ►►Re: Electro and Poisoner Considered Useless: Frinckles Manages to Ignore the Community Once Again◄◄

    Frinckles —
    As far as NI goes. I guess people want me to make a major write up about it to see why I don't always jump for night immunity. Maybe I should, but in the meanwhile I think Poisoner definitely needed something to give him a little bit of a buff. (edited)

    So the one-shot autovest should give him some more presence.
    This total dictatorship is killing the game. It is all only about what Frinckles wants, and he doesn't believe in night immunity, so poisoner and electro you are screwed, despite the massive amount of community feedback on this issue.
  8. ►►Re: Electro and Poisoner Considered Useless: Frinckles Manages to Ignore the Community Once Again◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    if a player clicks the button next to your name and they are supposed to make you die, I think you should.
    This is why I mean by the new philosophy. Frinckles believes in player agency, but not community feedback.
  9. ►►Electro and Poisoner Considered Useless: Frinckles Manages to Ignore the Community Once Again◄◄

    Frinckles has a WILDLY different game design philosophy than the previous devs. He continually rejects most community feedback that has wide support in favor of his own design philosophy.

    Case and point: Night Immunity

    Frinckles has gone on the record waxing about how he believes in player agency and that night immunity runs against that. His recent patch doesn't do nearly enough to fix it for poisoner and electro.

    The issue is, he is adding roles without night immunity in a game with several roles with night immunity creating a huge disparity. The night immune roles have a massive advantage and no amount of tweaking the poisoner or electro, even a one night vest, is going to fix that. There is virtually NO WORLD where you can compensate for not having night immunity. We can do the math and run the numbers on the likelihood of a non NI NK to win compared to a NI NK, but I don't think we need to. It is fairly obvious.

    The main save setups of the game, 8331 and 933, were designed with a NIGHT IMMUNE NIGHT KILLING in mind. That is not going to change, you just ruin and severely imbalance games by putting handicapped roles like electro and poisoner in the mix.

    Frinckles has been given pages https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...Night-Immunity and pages https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...te-of-the-Game of feedback by plenty of community members who are much more graceful than I am. Yet he chooses to inflict his philosophy on us - a philosophy that WONT work unless the whole game is reworked, say by removing NI from everyone and making a 2 NK save the norm. Nobody wants that. He didn't even address the night immunity points raised by Guy, which I also pointed out. What do we get? A still stilted half baked role with a 1 night auto vest. It simply isn't enough to keep up with SK, MM, and Arson. HAVING NI IS MORE VALUABLE THAN ANYTHING LIKE PIERCING NI.

    GIVE THEM NIGHT IMMUNITY.

    I understand you may not have time to continue development. My criticism is having time to make radical changes and then walking away from the game for months at a time; for rushing half baked roles through and then neglecting them; and finally NOT EVEN PLAYING THE GAME IN ITS CURRENT STATE TO SEE HOW MISERABLE IT IS TO ROLL A USELESS ELECTRO OR POISONER.

    QUANTITY IS NOT QUALITY.

    It is not worth giving feedback to a developer who ignores it. I really don't care if people don't like my tone. Far friendlier tones have been used yet they get ignored.

    My question is Frinckles:
    Why the stubborness on night immunity? Don't you see how your new philosophy does not mesh well with how the game was structured?
    Why the lack of transparency?
    Why not poll and listen to the community?
    Why isn't quality prioritized over quantity?
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    [Role Change] ►►Re: Poisoner and Electromaniac need Night Immunity◄◄

    Another feedback post totally ignored
  11. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II

    Thread Author:MartinGG99

    Post Author:Renegade

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    ►►Re: S-FM 344 (Ladder): President II◄◄

    I was starting to have fun there on d3.

    I am sorry that the game wasn't more active. This setup can be a lot of fun.

    Thanks to Martin and Lumi!
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    ►►Re: Meta Definition // Highlights // State of the Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    It's insulting that you think my legitimate suggestion is mocking. Why can't I say:

    I prefer OP Doctor over UP doctor where you are 90% likely to fail or be meaningless/useless due to the innate weakness of Doctor.
    No one has ever accused doctor of being underpowered. It is just that it is a relatively 'boring' role. The ability to save someone from death each night is extremely valuable, especially with the new gov roles.

    Your suggestion comes across as sarcastic and not related to anything in Guy's lengthy detailed post above.
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    ►►Re: Meta Definition // Highlights // State of the Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I think doctor should be able to heal 2-3 people per night. it's kinda under powered tbh.
    Yes mock all of the legitimate feedback in this post, feedback that is already being discounted and ignored despite massive community outcry.
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    ►►Re: Meta Definition // Highlights // State of the Game◄◄

    And again, the ability to BE night immune is far superior to the ability to KILL night immune. Not addressed, won't be changed because of Frinckles new philosophy on player agency and night immunity.

    The problem is, there are still plenty of roles and years of save meta built around NK having night immunity. Poisoner and Electro have NO MEANINGFUL GAME IMPACTING ADVANTAGE over SK, MM, and Arson.

    They make Arson look OP.
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    ►►Re: Meta Definition // Highlights // State of the Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    I'm not sure I get the whole argument that Swinger/HB aren't useful. I suppose I play them differently. I'll think about giving the 3 roles (including lover) a bit more flexibility.
    Please remove the damn roles. They are not fun, not useful, and never should have been added. I don't think you have played the mod enough AS THESE ROLES.

    Lover has no protection and quickly becomes number 1 target.

    Swinger and HB are locked into a SINGLE claim.

    Where is the deception, where is the strategy? You choose people randomly n1. Mind as well blow your retirement at the casino.
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    ►►Re: Meta Definition // Highlights // State of the Game◄◄

    x1000.

    You have far more patience than me Guy.
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    [Misc. Suggestion] ►►Re: Mafia 2.0 Feedback list, and suggestions (Part 1?)◄◄

    Please, I beg you, please either remove or fix poisoner/electro/lover immediately.

    They never should have been added to the game in their current state without real playtesting.
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    ►►Re: Extreme Policing by Staff of Legitimate Play◄◄

    Why does communication have anything to do with it? It is totally independent of the intent, which apparently is the chief deciding factor.

    Whether or not the DH knows doesn't affect the validity of the play.
  19. Forum:Mafia Bug Reports

    Thread:Street Racer

    Thread Author:Yodaddy2

    Post Author:Renegade

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    [Roles] ►►Re: Street Racer◄◄

    2.0 has been abandoned after flooded with poorly designed roles and concepts. The last update was for easter and left the game in perhaps the most broken state it has been.
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    ►►Extreme Policing by Staff of Legitimate Play◄◄

    Since any criticism is removed:

    Regarding the report: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...1-S2-1-9757360

    Arrow and Auwt's extreme illogical conclusions are a danger to this game.

    Vincukas intent is extremely clear, he was attempting to improve his standing.

    It backfired. Mistakes happened. This is not griefing or gamethrowing, this is extreme policing of play and opens up a huge can of worms around future reports.

    If this occured in FM, it would be celebrated as a BIG BRAIN move.

    Whether or not the DH knew is totally irrelevant.

    Auwt and co are now saying YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO IMPROVE YOUR STANDING AT THE EXPENSE of OTHER TRIAD.

    This means: as triad:

    you can never vote up a triad member, you have to inno a triad member on trial.
  21. Forum:Mafia Bug Reports

    Thread:Street Racer

    Thread Author:Yodaddy2

    Post Author:Renegade

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    [Roles] ►►Re: Street Racer◄◄

    2.0 is sadly broken and abandoned.
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    [Mechanics] ►►Re: Electromaniac loses tie to town at end of game◄◄

    Just delete the role already. Too underpowered.
  23. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Discuss

    Thread Author:Lumi

    Post Author:Renegade

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    [New Role] ►►Re: New Role: Necromancer / Warlock / Voodooist◄◄

    To me, bringing players back from the dead should be off limits.
  25. ►►Re: Confirming a role by asking the UI text only the role will see should be considered cheating◄◄

    I honestly agree only on the SR car thing. It doesn't help that the car list is full of things nobody has ever heard of, so you can't come up with a fake car on the spot.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    GG.

    I think the major mistake town made was letting Ozy get lynched.

    Kind of feels like an unearned win, except for the major win play being MM bussing me. MM was a good partner. Not the first time I rolled scum with them.
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    [Setup] ►►Standard Saves are still Ballot Voting◄◄

    They still have the blind ballot voting and not the 'standard' voting where you see X voted Y.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Good game scum. You won. My lynch ends the game.

    GG
  29. {Permanently Banned} ►►CBreceptor 1-S2-1-12422398, Rinzler 1-S2-1-12469074◄◄

    Account Name: CBreceptor
    Account ID: 1-S2-1-12422398
    In-Game Name: Bin Zhang
    Slot 11, Jailor

    Crimes Committed: Gamethrowing? Griefing?

    Your Account Name: Renegade
    Summary: Night 3, jails and executes a confirmed Enchantress. Enchantress claimed d2 after killing a witch day 1 and had no CC.

    I noticed they had the new player enter your name thing at the beginning. It is possible they are a new player and just wasn't paying attention to the game or didn't really know what was going on. If that is the case, maybe this would be better On Hold, but that is for you to decide.


    Account Name: Rinzler
    Account ID: 1-S2-1-12469074
    In-Game Name: Evil Green Ranger
    Slot 2, Armorsmith

    Crimes Committed: Reactionary Gamethrowing

    Day 4, reactionarily gamethrows by leaving when his desired suggestion is not voted up for trial.
  30. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Summer Video Chat Mafia Games

    Thread Author:Helz

    Post Author:Renegade

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    ►►Re: Summer Video Chat Mafia Games◄◄

    Yeah I don't know if doxxing myself via video chat is a good idea.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Ugh I shouldn't have said that. Now scum!MM would have an out to win in F3. Fuck me.

    -vote renegade
    Okay.
    -vote Frinckles
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    I'm waiting to see what MM has to say, but at this juncture I am ready to vote Frinckles or Martin. Preferably Frinckles.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    I guess VCA makes an argument for ren+MM too. Both were on Ozy, but then that silly line from Loldebite about being down to lynch Ren comes out while he was there for EOD. Eh.
    Frankly, the simple VCA points right at you and Martin.

    Pigeonhole principle tells me AT LEAST one of MM, Frinckles, or Martin is scum based on the Ozy lynch:

    OzyWho (4 [L-1]):
    Marshmallow Marshall, MartinGG99, Renegade, Frinckles

    I'm taking Occam's razor to this one. I'm done with the big brain plays of Sc2mafia and sometimes the simplest solution is the most obvious. Simplest here is that scum was on both trains. Martin and Frinckles.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    This is a two part so it's easier for responses. 1/2

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Martin
    Honestly you ooze so much emotion throughout this game via your rhetoric, the way you type, grammatical shifts etc. You started off the game in a apathetic mood and it is reflected throughout your ISO in your first post and multiple times afterward (hope you feel better afterwards, by the way -- shit happens but that's okay.) When Renegade pushed you to contribute more you explained all this to him directly:



    You also disagreed with Renegade on other things like Ozy being LHF after you had just ended a massive back-and-forth with Ozy; hell at one point you even voted Renegade. There are some things I thought were weird about your slot, like entertaining a no-lynch or possibly pocketing me; but honestly I can't find a scenario where you're scum here. There's a couple reasons for that -- post count, tone, validity of arguments and a few other small things. But one of the biggest things that popped out to me was that not once, but four times you've reminded players to achieve their post counts out of concern of them being mod-killed. There is no reason for scum to mention this and certainly no reason for scum to be so insistent on doing this particularly over an AFK slot like Oliver or Loldebite right before F5.

    Between your pushbacks/votes on Renegade, frustrated interactions with Loldebite, and hyper-awareness of the fact that you and MM didn't interact* (enough to even taunt Ozy) it seems pretty apparent that you're least likely scum here. *side note, you two did interact later on.

    -------
    So, then this is usually the really difficult part where I need to find the last town member and then the F5 tug of war begins.
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    I think you and Martin are just coming right out and saying you are scum, and trying to get a single vote from Loldebite or MM. MM has been all over me all game so I'm not surprised they are alive and part of your plan. Martin if you are town then this is exactly what Frinckles has aimed for. Your vote. But I am extremely doubtful. I find it hard to believe two players would be so confident about themselves both being town in a F5 3v2 situation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Renegade
    You've been gunning for me and Martin since the game began basically, like non-stop and frankly to the point where you didn't need to even type a post like this:





    I don't remember playing scum with you in the game. I barely remember playing scum at all, actually. But if this was my scum-meta I'd certainly have a remarkable one since the entirety of the game has considered me a top townread or was reluctant to vote me despite your incessant pushing. Honestly though, none of this matters because I know well enough that even if you were town there would be zero way for me convince you that I'm town at this point in the game anyway. You didn't earn a townread from me and I didn't earn a townread from you and we can apologize to deathchat pre-emptively if this is TvT. This would be an impossible position.

    But honestly I don't think it is. You've literally breadcrumbed up to this point by pushing me and Martin in a way. I know I'm Town and I'm thinking there must be a reason I'm alive over someone like Norwee, right?



    Yeah, I admit I townread Norwee but you just read the room wrong here. Norwee was pushed plenty this game by different people. And on a related note, Varcron and Norwee both pushed MM on days one and two respectively. Whether that makes MM scum #2 here is up in the air, but if you were actually worldbuilding a scumteam, a town!renegade would never ever posit a Frinckles+Martin team over a Frinckles+MM team or even Frinckles+Loldebite

    You're telling me town!renegade read this:

    And you never wanted to worldbuild that from your perspective Frinckles+MM might seem reasonable?

    You're telling me town!renegade read this reply from Loldebite to Ozy:


    And you never wanted to worldbuild that from your perspective Frinckles+Loldebite might seem reasonable? He's literally hesitating to vote me and it'd mark the second silly/joking interaction we've had all game with next to zero actual content.

    So what I'm seeing is that you just jumped over to Frinckles+Martin while reciting the words 'weird' and 'aloof' repeatedly. You kept the both of us alive and killed outside so that you could pan back and say "hey, look I called it" when it boiled down to a F5. As if all the reasons I posted above weren't enough to constitute a TR on Martin from me, your play kind of seals the deal.
    Yes, I have been gunning for you all game. I'm so sure of it, and if you lynch me well the game is over. We have to lynch scum today, and this wall of scum paint sadly enough may convince one of the two other towns.

    Frinckles + MM world is absolutely reasonable. That is why if Martin IS town, he is making a huge mistake by putting all his chips in the Frinckles basket. Again I don't see why Martin couldn't fathom a Scum!Frinckles world, and that is what has me extremely concerned.

    This early aloofness - late heavy scumpaint is exactly how you played the last game you were scum in. You were a cop if I recall. What game was that?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    And truth be told, this day is already over. Martin and I townread eachother, Loldebite said he townread me and MM already said he would vote Renegade (in addition to doing literally everything in his power to kill him anyway.)
    I am too exhausted to respond to your wall, but I will.

    Again, nobody should vote yet. But I presume you are leading the lynch on me.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    Interesting that Mizery died. I'm not too sad about it because I was feeling less confident about that slot that I was earlier...
    I feel good about renegade tho, after looking at his ISO I found many comments/posts that didn't feel S/S to me (which might be me not understanding ren at all) towards everyone left alive but Mizery (and maybe me, idk)

    That being said I'm off to sleep more than 1 hour.
    Not going to lie but I think you are trying to pocket me here. And it is a bit concerning.


    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I'm gonna be real

    I kinda just feel like sheeping Frinckles for two reasons

    1] If there's anyone I would want to lose to here, it would be him.
    2] There isn't much of a gap between MM/Renegade/Loldebite to me imo.

    Though.....loldebite's claim about renegade is interesting. Not quite sure I've seen someone claim that on another slot in a f5 before.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Actually that just means MM is scum in either case fmpov lol.
    You want to sheep Frinckles, so you are saying there is no Frinckles!Scum world? I just want it on the record that you have totally excluded this possibility. And I AM NOT A FAN of your reason 1.

    Okay, I can see your argument for MM being scum. But who are they paired with then?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    NOBODY VOTE YET!!!!!!!!

    We should announce our intent to vote but not actually vote because scum can hammer.

    I'm pretty sure the solve is Frinckles + Martin. So either of them is my vote today.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    That should be 200 words. At least.

    Now that this most important matter is settled, I'd still like @Renegade to elaborate on @Frinckles ' meta and on the read he derives from it, and while we're at it, to hear Frinckles' thoughts on Renegade. I believe this is a TvS pairing, with either Renegade scumpainting Frinckles or Frinckles fooling me and Renegade somehow being actually town calling me out on it. I strongly lean towards the former.
    I'm entirely convinced that Frinckles and Martin are the scum pair. I am also suspicious of how the Loldebite train formed and fizzled just as quickly.

    In retrospect voting Ozy was a mistake on my part. But he was acting extremely strange and his vote on me was extremely forced and nitpicky.

    Frinckles & Martin were on BOTH trains.

    Frinckles acts aloof when he is scum based on several games I've played with him. He is much more analytical and to the point when he is town, much more willing to solve the game. His day 1 ALONE is enough to convince me is he scum.

    Frinckles claims his meta is pointless, of course that is what he wants us to think.

    It is extremely obvious to me Martin and Frinckles are scum, at the very least ONE of them, and will do everything I can do convince the rest of you of this if it isn't already obvious to you already.

    As for seeing the Norwee flip, I don't think it is that surprising. I'm not sure anyone ever voted them all game so they had some level of implicit universal town reading.

    That is all for now. Obviously I am in favor of skipping.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    That's fine Ozy. I think we should see your flip. You act too strange for my tastes and oddly let people slide (Frinckles).

    -vote Ozywho


    I wouldn't be surprised if Martin was bussing you.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I got 7 posts left after this.

    Also worth noting: That loldebite wagon disappeared preety quickly.
    Yeah strange isn't it. What happened to the Lolly wagon? All the lolly voters seemed so damned convinced earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Some of us actually play the game, and it sometimes involves asking questions and stating your confusions.
    Instead of going out of your way to call me obtuse, why not help the game solving process and say what I'm missing?
    I don't mean this is a joke when I now say, I'm not looking forward to playing with you again. Like this is beyond belief. Your first actual real game post was like Day2 adressing people's thoughts on your SB16 vote, yet you go out of your way to call other people who play the game obtuse without even attempting the process in any way - just make a comment to insult.
    Like just let me play the game please? If you don't play why go out of your way to insult others "lol you're retarded here"? Un-fucking-cool mate.
    Why don't you join me in voting Frinckles then?. You keep pointing out that he wastes posts, didn't start playing to d2, and criticizing his game play, yet you are voting me for mocking a remark you made. Are YOU trying to solve the game? It seems pretty clear you agree with the points that lead me to believe he is scum.

    Final note - I will consider voting Martin today and saving Frinckles for tomorrow if that is a more viable train.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library Gamethread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Excuse me? All this time you thought I was lying and never bothered to mention it? You believe I was lying and didn't even bat an eye on my slot in all this time? Don't you think that someone lying for manipulation, or whatever, is an important detail for game solving?

    I'm sorry but this is personal. Idk if I even care that there were like 3-4 slots I'd rather have lynched before this comment if yours.

    -vote Renegade
    yikes (!!!) I won't even dignify this with more of a response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    F
    Ozy: analysis of important stuff (such as EOD1 wagon, see above) + the "don't mess with my neuroticism" stuff, which would be really dirty to fake imo. (Meta note: don't make this into a meta of yours, this is a one-time read and pulling that intentionally would suck lol, hence I'm thinking you're town for doing it spontaneously)
    Imagine buying into Ozy's bs "don't mess with my neuroticism".

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizery View Post
    @Norwee I TR you for your opener on D1 which technically isn't very towny and the fact that you started counting your posts. It's a bad reason to townread you i get that but that's where I'm at
    While it is a pretty weak reason to townread someone, them counting their posts, I'll give it some weight considering we still have people tossing posts away (frinckles).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the swift part of the Stealth train not Martin's fault at all? Mizery placed a vote in reaction to Stealth voting Frinckles, and then Loldebite and Frinckles followed.
    Also, what is a "hubbub" lol

    If you're going with your gut, then what does your gut tell you about Frinckles that makes you vote him? This feels like yet another void intervention.
    -vote Renegade
    I've seen Frinckles play with this aloof attitude before as scum. So part of it is on meta. He doesn't strike me as town, and for all the criticism several are lobbing at me, what has frinckles added? Look at his posts today, completely empty. He wastes posts by saying "im not librarian" and then following it up with "i'm not going to fakeclaim librarian". He isn't even trying to be a good steward of the limited ability to speak. I won't apologize for scum reading him for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I was examining the vote count and noticed you were on Martin, so I went to check what your reason for voting him was. It apparently is that Ozy is... LHF? Do you stand by your read that basically states Martin tried to lynch LHF town Ozy? If so, where do you see this? Because... I don't. And Martin was Stealth's counterwagon.

    Also, thoughts on the Stealth lynch? You've been pretty empty content-wise.
    I never felt good about the Martin slot. Martin's d1 seems strange and forced, especially the hubbub with Ozy. And honestly the swift stealth train reinforces that even more.

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Renegade, I think I saw you online at EoD? You didn't have the same feeling then? Your lack of vote to go with your D2 opener together with your lack of having the same comment at EoD1 feels a bit.. uncommitted.. tbh.

    Do not make any assumptions about my or anyone elses so called "online" presence. Honestly this feature should be turned off. I leave tabs open all day.

    My lack of vote to go with the D2 opener is a valid criticism though. I'm going with my gut.

    -vote Frinckles


    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    "Ftr, in the post where Varcron said to take a look at loldebite if SB16 flips green, Varcron comments on Frinckles were basically same level of suspicion."
    Nvm this was a lie.

    YOLO
    -vote Loldebite
    I don't mean to pick on you, but you literally just put someone at L-1. The reason that is a bad idea should be obvious.

    Can we get votes off Loldebite for the time being>?
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    Frankly I'm suspicious of how the stealth train assembled at the EOD yesterday. My eyes are mainly on the Frinckles slot for now.

    And Poor varcron. He didn't get lynched d1 this time.

    1/15
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    -vote Renegade


    Pending Ozy's response to me, I'd rather vote the guy has a more wolfy reason of voting me.

    However, a skip vote may be good for everyone in general given the nature of this game so I am ironically agreeing with Renegade in that regard. Besides, if the wolves do decide to night-kill, we can discuss that as well. Either they take out someone who's had their fair share of attention or d1 interactions, and so we can discuss that if desired, or they take out some seemingly irrelevant slot (to avoid night-kill-analysis) that could be a potential mislynch later down the road.
    Marino, I expected more. I guess it is self pres to tie us as trains for now, then again I am always shouting that self pres is NAI.

    But of all the people so far in this game, I am the best target because I am ... voting you? Please tell me there is more to your vote.
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    We have what 8 or so hours until EOD.
    @Loldebite can you be more specific about how I am being "infuriatingly uncommunicative"? I don't really take offense to that I just fail to see the source of that comment. Have you asked me anything I haven't answered?

    Regarding today's lynch, I will note that it is optional according to the setup. Purely numbers wise, we are more likely to mislynch today than on any other day. I'm not voting to skip, but I am throwing it out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    to be or to not be.....serious

    that is the question

    -vote OzyWho


    regardless of my yet-be-serious or actually-serious status I would like to note that I want to town-read Mizery and not look back ever and this isn't being exaggerated in any shape or form just because of some word-count restriction that you all may or may not be thinking of right now because I would like to emphasize that isn't, okay? And if that got too confusing to read I just italicized my point for thy dear readers.
    Take this as a compliment, but I'm expecting more from you - Oxy is extremely low hanging fruit. And what you wrote after just strikes me as trying so hard to play it safe while appearing to make a statement..

    -vote MartinGG99
    .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Hi

    Don't worry, I don't hate everything, I only hate you

    See, my response got the game rolling as well. What did you expect, a nod of approval for shitposts and a hug? More shitposts, and then no more content? I REFUSE! Not a single post shall be wasted, not a single point shall be omitted, not a single vote shall be forgotten. You're basically doing what I expected you to do if your attempt to generate content (by vocally not generating any, ironically) was genuine, so you're probably town xD.

    However, Renny Gator has replied with "I don't know how anyone could take ozy's posts seriously lmao" and all, and a "concern" about the post restrictions being anti-town (which is honestly just stating the obvious), and this, without adding anything more, proposing a solution to anything, or voicing suspicions towards anyone. Like, if he thinks me getting into Ozy's posts is silly and weird, why not question me, or vote me? Conversely, if he thinks I'm right about Ozy's posts, why not attack Ozy? And why just end up posting a "oh noes there is a post limit", which is really just... meh?

    -vote Renegade


    Also, accusations of "going for low hanging fruit" in post #14 addressing post #6 is a little silly xD, like it'd actually result in a turbolynch or something lol.
    Do you have any thoughts on Renegade, regarding what I said earlier in this post or regarding what you please?
    Meh, now both you and Ozy are claiming the hill of "got the ball rolling" as an excuse for the odd jousting?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mizery View Post
    Don't ask me for reasoning, you'll only be wasting both of our posts:

    MM V
    Varcron V


    -vote loldebite
    What does V mean?


    --- Not a fan of Frinckles blowing 4 posts on nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norwee View Post


    First of all... Why so little posts so far? I get there's a post limit. But even i, whom has become known as one of the "post wasters" up to now. Still only used 7 posts with this one. So i got more than half left. And the deadline from now on is 1 day and 3 hours. So i am being surprisingly prudent with the posts i've got available in my budget. Should be room for another day of responding.
    I actually agree here. I think there is waste with people like Frinckles blowing through useless posts but we need more discussion.
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    {Ban List} ►►GorTeck 1-S2-1-4963202◄◄

    Account Name: GorTeck
    Account ID: 1-S2-1-4963202
    In-Game Name: Dance Off (slot 11)

    Crimes Committed: Reactionary Gamethrowing

    Your Account Name: Renegade
    Summary:

    Day 5, in a 3v3, 11 (DH) votes up triad teammate and gulties.

    Night 5, DH shoots Judge.

    Night 6, DH suicides.

    Clear cut case of reactionary game throwing. The main conflict was 4 (vanguard) disagreeing about the DH voting up the witch claim.

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