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[QUOTE=Helz;914344]I feel like hedging and flailing are different

I look at flailing as a player constantly shifting what they are saying to justify a thought process they never had while I look at hedging as an informed scum knowing the misslynch he is pushing will flip town and lays the ground work for that flip by ‘hedging’ his read. The typical ‘I scum read him so let’s lynch but he could totally be town’ type of thing.

Fence sitting allows a scum to avoid taking a hard position while stalling to see how the town moves and works great to set yourself up as a kingmaker play. I feel like it’s name is self explanatory

This is an interesting thread. It’s cool to see how different people interpret the same terms in different ways[/QUOTE]
Huh. When I've seen it used, people were using it as "flip-flopping with weak cases against multiple people". Granted I've mostly heard that on Mafiascum, so it may not be the standard use elsewhere; your definition is apparently more accurate than mine here, since people here use it that way.
[QUOTE=Helz;914381]I have no clue what waffling is suppose to mean in Mafia. In sky diving it refers to being too rigid with your body causing you to rock back and forth in accelerated free fall so maybe some connection there?

I have seen quite a bit of flailing tell mysslynches although I think that’s more from the tell being used wrong than it being ineffective[/QUOTE]

Perhaps. Meta is often misused too, and it doesn't mean it is to be completely disregarded. That being said, I wouldn't hold it in high regard.

Originally Posted by Helz

I feel like hedging and flailing are different

I look at flailing as a player constantly shifting what they are saying to justify a thought process they never had while I look at hedging as an informed scum knowing the misslynch he is pushing will flip town and lays the ground work for that flip by ‘hedging’ his read. The typical ‘I scum read him so let’s lynch but he could totally be town’ type of thing.

Fence sitting allows a scum to avoid taking a hard position while stalling to see how the town moves and works great to set yourself up as a kingmaker play. I feel like it’s name is self explanatory

This is an interesting thread. It’s cool to see how different people interpret the same terms in different ways

Huh. When I've seen it used, people were using it as "flip-flopping with weak cases against multiple people". Granted I've mostly heard that on Mafiascum, so it may not be the standard use elsewhere; your definition is apparently more accurate than mine here, since people here use it that way.

Originally Posted by Helz

I have no clue what waffling is suppose to mean in Mafia. In sky diving it refers to being too rigid with your body causing you to rock back and forth in accelerated free fall so maybe some connection there?

I have seen quite a bit of flailing tell mysslynches although I think that’s more from the tell being used wrong than it being ineffective

Perhaps. Meta is often misused too, and it doesn't mean it is to be completely disregarded. That being said, I wouldn't hold it in high regard.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;914198]I just remembered that [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION] had Flailing explained in his [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45881-Helz-guide-to-improving-as-a-player-Part-2-Fundamentals-of-Scum-Hunting"]Guide[/URL].

What I find fascinating is that he, [MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION] and [MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION] all gave slightly different answers regarding Flailing.
MM's is more similar to the one in the Wiki page.
Martin's is more similar to the one in Helz's Guide.

This leads me to believe that [I]using[/I] the word Flailing is actually counter productive in an actual game? As in, It is better in every possible aspect to just say what you mean instead of relying that others would know what it is. Assuming you have the time, of course.
That would be the case for all such terms wouldn't it? Describing in detail just has more power to it than using some term.

I like Martin's explanation of Waffling. It combines the NA and the British meanings, both in one.

There's probably a consensus regarding fence-sitting here.

Hedging though. For MM hedging is synonym to his meaning of Flailing, while for Martin hedging is synonym for fence-sitting. What's worse, the word doesn't exist in Wiki pages.
Hedging bad word.[/QUOTE]

Correct, using "flailing" and especially "hedging" has always resulted in people asking "what do you mean" in my experience, when people weren't just ignoring the sentence that contained the word. As for "waffling", I've never really seen it used in a meaningful way. Fencesitting is common and good to use though.

Also, when I see people accused of "flailing", they usually flip town... does anyone have a similar or different experience to share?

Originally Posted by OzyWho

I just remembered that @Helz had Flailing explained in his Guide.

What I find fascinating is that he, @Marshmallow Marshall and @MartinGG99 all gave slightly different answers regarding Flailing.
MM's is more similar to the one in the Wiki page.
Martin's is more similar to the one in Helz's Guide.

This leads me to believe that using the word Flailing is actually counter productive in an actual game? As in, It is better in every possible aspect to just say what you mean instead of relying that others would know what it is. Assuming you have the time, of course.
That would be the case for all such terms wouldn't it? Describing in detail just has more power to it than using some term.

I like Martin's explanation of Waffling. It combines the NA and the British meanings, both in one.

There's probably a consensus regarding fence-sitting here.

Hedging though. For MM hedging is synonym to his meaning of Flailing, while for Martin hedging is synonym for fence-sitting. What's worse, the word doesn't exist in Wiki pages.
Hedging bad word.

Correct, using "flailing" and especially "hedging" has always resulted in people asking "what do you mean" in my experience, when people weren't just ignoring the sentence that contained the word. As for "waffling", I've never really seen it used in a meaningful way. Fencesitting is common and good to use though.

Also, when I see people accused of "flailing", they usually flip town... does anyone have a similar or different experience to share?

Fencesitting: not clearly picking a stance on your reads, often associated with fearing to place votes.

Waffling: Huh? :D I'd assume it's the same as fluffing (posting a lot of stuff that looks useful but that isn't)

Hedging and flailing are pretty similar, although flailing often has a "shit cases" dimension to it. Basically flip-flopping on multiple people, if I'm not mistaken. Those terms are pretty large, though, and are "buzzwords", so there's a reason you're unsure about their meaning.

Fencesitting: not clearly picking a stance on your reads, often associated with fearing to place votes.

Waffling: Huh? I'd assume it's the same as fluffing (posting a lot of stuff that looks useful but that isn't)

Hedging and flailing are pretty similar, although flailing often has a "shit cases" dimension to it. Basically flip-flopping on multiple people, if I'm not mistaken. Those terms are pretty large, though, and are "buzzwords", so there's a reason you're unsure about their meaning.