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[QUOTE=yzb25;930806]have you considered having a brief copy-paste explanation of your strategy ready for everyone who jails you? I am certain that'd make everyone totally content with your strategy! An honest man values transparency, after all.[/QUOTE]

or you could just copy-paste a link to this thread. If they are truly worthy of you they'll be able to read it in <30 seconds, including lag's math.

Originally Posted by yzb25

have you considered having a brief copy-paste explanation of your strategy ready for everyone who jails you? I am certain that'd make everyone totally content with your strategy! An honest man values transparency, after all.

or you could just copy-paste a link to this thread. If they are truly worthy of you they'll be able to read it in <30 seconds, including lag's math.

[QUOTE=ZZorange;930800]Guys the thread is titled should Honest Men reveal their roles. Literally everyone who has posted here is a known liar and therefore the thread doesn't apply to them. Hence the line at the end

"Now of course if you're a regular player of Mafia who is able to lie, this thread does not apply to you. As you can claim town as evil."

However this does let me know who read the full post so,

Props to LagAttack for reading the whole post!

However LagAttack obviously mathmatically claiming will result in less failorage but it'll be a constant. With the not claim strategy first off it's the best strategy against kidnapper scum, which is what you want as a townie, because fuck the mafia. "Eat a dick kidnapper" is the best response. Also the not claiming strategy has the potential to become better overtime, as opposed to claiming which as stated stays constant.

I don't have to be a rocket surgeon to say that Mafia does not have many new players, and the few casual players it has will learn overtime to not jail a man who is Town 94% of his games.

Keep in mind during all of this we are ignoring any spite jailors in the equation because spite jailors will execute regardless of role as most spite jailors are long timers who know that they are jailing someone who is 94% town but they execute anyway because they hate said player.

Overtime given enough samples the pool of failors will gradually shrink with the no claim strategy and become the optimal strategy. Which I think is something you missed in your initial evaluation LagAttack the future prospects of the strategy.[/QUOTE]

hmmm

consider the highly theoretical possibility certain strategies net you [I]more[/I] spite jailors. This can make a strategy bad even if on paper perfectly informed players never choose to imprison you unless they're kidnapper or have information / evidence that specifically suggests you're scum.

also, I think lag's math not only implies more failorage, but that the increased failorage actually offsets the gain in avoided kidnapper executions.

have you considered having a brief copy-paste explanation of your strategy ready for everyone who jails you? I am certain that'd make everyone totally content with your strategy! An honest man values transparency, after all.

Originally Posted by ZZorange

Guys the thread is titled should Honest Men reveal their roles. Literally everyone who has posted here is a known liar and therefore the thread doesn't apply to them. Hence the line at the end

"Now of course if you're a regular player of Mafia who is able to lie, this thread does not apply to you. As you can claim town as evil."

However this does let me know who read the full post so,

Props to LagAttack for reading the whole post!

However LagAttack obviously mathmatically claiming will result in less failorage but it'll be a constant. With the not claim strategy first off it's the best strategy against kidnapper scum, which is what you want as a townie, because fuck the mafia. "Eat a dick kidnapper" is the best response. Also the not claiming strategy has the potential to become better overtime, as opposed to claiming which as stated stays constant.

I don't have to be a rocket surgeon to say that Mafia does not have many new players, and the few casual players it has will learn overtime to not jail a man who is Town 94% of his games.

Keep in mind during all of this we are ignoring any spite jailors in the equation because spite jailors will execute regardless of role as most spite jailors are long timers who know that they are jailing someone who is 94% town but they execute anyway because they hate said player.

Overtime given enough samples the pool of failors will gradually shrink with the no claim strategy and become the optimal strategy. Which I think is something you missed in your initial evaluation LagAttack the future prospects of the strategy.

hmmm

consider the highly theoretical possibility certain strategies net you more spite jailors. This can make a strategy bad even if on paper perfectly informed players never choose to imprison you unless they're kidnapper or have information / evidence that specifically suggests you're scum.

also, I think lag's math not only implies more failorage, but that the increased failorage actually offsets the gain in avoided kidnapper executions.

have you considered having a brief copy-paste explanation of your strategy ready for everyone who jails you? I am certain that'd make everyone totally content with your strategy! An honest man values transparency, after all.