[QUOTE=Oberon;930904]I think that with the knowledge that the person I'm jailing never claims a role in jail - I would look for other methods of determining their alignment. I would try and talk to them and see where they stand. If I'm not satisfied, I would execute.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Oberon
I think that with the knowledge that the person I'm jailing never claims a role in jail - I would look for other methods of determining their alignment. I would try and talk to them and see where they stand. If I'm not satisfied, I would execute.
[MENTION=30663]OzyWho[/MENTION] i'm able to distance myself when playing now, so i change my mind about slots on-the-go. [B][COLOR="#DDA0DD"][SIZE=3]uwu![/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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i'm able to distance myself when playing now, so i change my mind about slots on-the-go. uwu!
[QUOTE=LagAttack;930824][COLOR="#00FF00"]My comment taken out of context sounds more critical that it really is.[/COLOR]
There are a number of types of problems in game theory in which a spiteful strategy is actually an optimal strategy. The classical example of this is the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma#The_iterated_prisoner's_dilemma"]iterated prisoner's dilemma[/URL]. [COLOR="#00FFFF"]The Honest Prisoner's dilemma[/COLOR] (no relation to the prisoner's dilemma) has a number of parallels to the iterated prisoner's dilemma - some of which ZZorange pointed out and which I touched on in my response post.
Because of these parallels a spiteful strategy cannot be ruled as suboptimal without additional analysis. (Although in this case my additional analysis still points to it being sub-optimal)
Additionally how personal emotions affect a player's utility function in a game like mafia is a very interesting topic - I'll probably make a thread about it at some point.[/QUOTE]
my bren fcking broke wen i saw "24t + s " [B][SIZE=5][COLOR="#FFA07A"];W;[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
Originally Posted by LagAttack
My comment taken out of context sounds more critical that it really is.
There are a number of types of problems in game theory in which a spiteful strategy is actually an optimal strategy. The classical example of this is the iterated prisoner's dilemma. The Honest Prisoner's dilemma (no relation to the prisoner's dilemma) has a number of parallels to the iterated prisoner's dilemma - some of which ZZorange pointed out and which I touched on in my response post.
Because of these parallels a spiteful strategy cannot be ruled as suboptimal without additional analysis. (Although in this case my additional analysis still points to it being sub-optimal)
Additionally how personal emotions affect a player's utility function in a game like mafia is a very interesting topic - I'll probably make a thread about it at some point.
[QUOTE=ZZorange;930815]The thing is though, Jailing is a choice and you only get one choice. So [COLOR="#00FF00"]if you're choosing to jail a 90/10 split player[/COLOR] you're an objectively bad jailor purposefully making a bad choice, so there's no need to "Give a pass" in this situation. Keep in mind we're talkin about blind n1 jails here so this is purely playing the odds here.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]jailors have a right to exec you n1 ffs. discussion closed[/COLOR]
Originally Posted by ZZorange
The thing is though, Jailing is a choice and you only get one choice. So if you're choosing to jail a 90/10 split player you're an objectively bad jailor purposefully making a bad choice, so there's no need to "Give a pass" in this situation. Keep in mind we're talkin about blind n1 jails here so this is purely playing the odds here.
jailors have a right to exec you n1 ffs. discussion closed
[QUOTE=LagAttack;930810]
[B][SIZE=3][COLOR="#00FFFF"]What you are describing here are the reasons I suspected you value this strategy: spite and personal emotions[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
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[QUOTE=SuperJack;930781]Always claim. Best off lying. Engage in conversation. You can sometimes catch the Jailor/Kidnapper based on their typing style.[/QUOTE]
i get jailed a lot n1, so i start trolling extra-hard in a way that connects with the jailors. it's like i'm trying to connect with the troll jailor by trolling a bit myself :^)
it depends on who jails you, but sometimes that strategy works for me
Originally Posted by SuperJack
Always claim. Best off lying. Engage in conversation. You can sometimes catch the Jailor/Kidnapper based on their typing style.
i get jailed a lot n1, so i start trolling extra-hard in a way that connects with the jailors. it's like i'm trying to connect with the troll jailor by trolling a bit myself :^)
it depends on who jails you, but sometimes that strategy works for me
[QUOTE=LagAttack;930778]
[COLOR="#00FFFF"][SIZE=3]TL;DR The solution to the Honest Man's prisoner dilemma is to give your role every time. Remaining silent does [COLOR="#FF0000"]NOT [/COLOR]get the [COLOR="#00FF00"]Lag's Game Theory Analysis seal of approval[/COLOR]. [/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
TL;DR The solution to the Honest Man's prisoner dilemma is to give your role every time. Remaining silent does NOT get the Lag's Game Theory Analysis seal of approval.
[QUOTE=Oberon;930766]Depends on the role. [COLOR="#00FF00"]If I'm an important town role, I lie about my role.[/COLOR] That way if it's a kidnapper he won't execute.
That being said. You should definitely always claim a role.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]jailor is always a higher percentage than kidnapper ffs.[/COLOR]
Originally Posted by Oberon
Depends on the role. If I'm an important town role, I lie about my role. That way if it's a kidnapper he won't execute.
That being said. You should definitely always claim a role.
jailor is always a higher percentage than kidnapper ffs.
Originally Posted by Oberon
I think that with the knowledge that the person I'm jailing never claims a role in jail - I would look for other methods of determining their alignment. I would try and talk to them and see where they stand. If I'm not satisfied, I would execute.
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