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[QUOTE=theoneceko;963871]Isn't that what you're doing?[/QUOTE]

No u

Originally Posted by theoneceko

Isn't that what you're doing?

No u

[QUOTE=Space Milk;963867]Virtually every lobby including the one I am playing in right now contains some problematic -ism that go unpassed because outside of one mod I see every now and then, you moderators do not play your own game. And furthermore, the players do not care enough to report. Like hell I'm going to help any of you and report it myself.

I like this game. Frankly, my only bad experiences with this game were nearly 10 years ago when there was an overabundance of moderators who paid money for their position, then abused their privileges in lobbies. In fact that was part of the original reason why I even made this account in 2013, then stopped posting for nearly a decade. This game has been fine since I resumed around 2019 or so beyond slow lobbies. I seriously hope you all realize your place as unpaid, unknown caretakers of a dying mod of a dying game - and then see the value in protecting and nurturing your creation, because it is fun and people like it. You don't need to make up a heroic grand narrative with a moral objective that is impossible to fulfill. If moral fulfillment is what you really want in your life, there are better vectors for that than StarCraft 2.[/QUOTE]

Isn�t that what you�re doing?

Originally Posted by Space Milk

Virtually every lobby including the one I am playing in right now contains some problematic -ism that go unpassed because outside of one mod I see every now and then, you moderators do not play your own game. And furthermore, the players do not care enough to report. Like hell I'm going to help any of you and report it myself.

I like this game. Frankly, my only bad experiences with this game were nearly 10 years ago when there was an overabundance of moderators who paid money for their position, then abused their privileges in lobbies. In fact that was part of the original reason why I even made this account in 2013, then stopped posting for nearly a decade. This game has been fine since I resumed around 2019 or so beyond slow lobbies. I seriously hope you all realize your place as unpaid, unknown caretakers of a dying mod of a dying game - and then see the value in protecting and nurturing your creation, because it is fun and people like it. You don't need to make up a heroic grand narrative with a moral objective that is impossible to fulfill. If moral fulfillment is what you really want in your life, there are better vectors for that than StarCraft 2.

Isn�t that what you�re doing?

[QUOTE=theoneceko;932121]i check the new posts thingy at the top left[/QUOTE]

Well you can click forum actions -> mark forums read
To clear that without clicking on the threads

Originally Posted by theoneceko

i check the new posts thingy at the top left

Well you can click forum actions -> mark forums read
To clear that without clicking on the threads

[QUOTE=theoneceko;932117]is there a way to ignore a thread?

i want to mute this

U

W

U[/QUOTE]

You get notifications for posts? Or u just feel the need to click when u see the new posts?

Originally Posted by theoneceko

is there a way to ignore a thread?

i want to mute this

U

W

U

You get notifications for posts? Or u just feel the need to click when u see the new posts?

[QUOTE=Voss;932114]It seems like some want us to moderate more, others want us to ban more, and finally some want us to ban less. Who are the real losers here? sc2mafia staff.[/QUOTE]

Dawh vossy I snorted at your �I�m a girl� post <3

Originally Posted by Voss

It seems like some want us to moderate more, others want us to ban more, and finally some want us to ban less. Who are the real losers here? sc2mafia staff.

Dawh vossy I snorted at your �I�m a girl� post <3

[QUOTE=Veliaire;932103]Honest question here. Does it appear that I made this thread to attack everyone?[/QUOTE]

Well not EVERYone�

Honestly ceko I get what you�re saying but taking immediate moderation action against a thread about admins being power hungry nazis just isn�t very tenable. So I personally tend to just let these threads play themselves out. Veliaire helpfully buried himself with that post Voss infracted and we probably should have just closed it there but now people are having some other interesting discussions so why kill that?

Originally Posted by Veliaire

Honest question here. Does it appear that I made this thread to attack everyone?

Well not EVERYone�

Honestly ceko I get what you�re saying but taking immediate moderation action against a thread about admins being power hungry nazis just isn�t very tenable. So I personally tend to just let these threads play themselves out. Veliaire helpfully buried himself with that post Voss infracted and we probably should have just closed it there but now people are having some other interesting discussions so why kill that?

[QUOTE=OzyWho;932083]Isn't there a possibility that less players = more lobbies?
Like, if there is always only 1 player and he keeps reconnecting.
Or if people keep creating and cancelling upon seeing none's there.[/QUOTE]

Could be but I was too lazy to code a bot to count only the started games posts. I think ceko�s evidence of the game being in the top 10 is a good support though

Originally Posted by OzyWho

Isn't there a possibility that less players = more lobbies?
Like, if there is always only 1 player and he keeps reconnecting.
Or if people keep creating and cancelling upon seeing none's there.

Could be but I was too lazy to code a bot to count only the started games posts. I think ceko�s evidence of the game being in the top 10 is a good support though

[QUOTE=Veliaire;932064]Jews ARE money grubbing. How is that racist to point it out?[/QUOTE]

wow alrighty

Originally Posted by Veliaire

Jews ARE money grubbing. How is that racist to point it out?

wow alrighty

[QUOTE=Veliaire;932060]And you attribute that to censorship, and not the fact that school is out and more people are on during the summer? Interesting.[/QUOTE]

you claimed there was, or would be, a decrease in activity. I am not even trying to prove an increase in activity, just showing that you're objectively wrong

Originally Posted by Veliaire

And you attribute that to censorship, and not the fact that school is out and more people are on during the summer? Interesting.

you claimed there was, or would be, a decrease in activity. I am not even trying to prove an increase in activity, just showing that you're objectively wrong

[QUOTE=Veliaire;932060]And you attribute that to censorship, and not the fact that school is out and more people are on during the summer? Interesting.[/QUOTE]

school is out? I am pretty sure most high schools are still in session. Colleges would have ended first week of may but I included april 8-may8 here too

Originally Posted by Veliaire

And you attribute that to censorship, and not the fact that school is out and more people are on during the summer? Interesting.

school is out? I am pretty sure most high schools are still in session. Colleges would have ended first week of may but I included april 8-may8 here too

[QUOTE=Veliaire;932056]Too late, we're already in it. It wasn't too long ago people were losing their jobs simply for typing #FreePalestine. If you do or say anything that goes against what the big brother deems is socially acceptable, the full force of the PC police will come down on you. That is the world in which we live now, and little pockets of the internet like this only perpetuate the problem.[/QUOTE]

There is a difference between israel and jews. I am not sure how "Money-Grubbing Jew" or "im a filthy money grubbing kike" has anything to do with israel or palestine

Originally Posted by Veliaire

Too late, we're already in it. It wasn't too long ago people were losing their jobs simply for typing #FreePalestine. If you do or say anything that goes against what the big brother deems is socially acceptable, the full force of the PC police will come down on you. That is the world in which we live now, and little pockets of the internet like this only perpetuate the problem.

There is a difference between israel and jews. I am not sure how "Money-Grubbing Jew" or "im a filthy money grubbing kike" has anything to do with israel or palestine

[QUOTE=aamirus;932047]18417 lobbies opened since I created the lobby status tracker bot on 9/28/2020 as of 2:07 pm on 6/8/2021

253 days since then

72.79 lobbies opened per day

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2587 lobbies opened since 5/8/2021

31 days since then

83.5 lobbies opened per day

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about a 15% increase in activity in the past month vs. the full period average.[/QUOTE]

or if we look at the past 2 months versus the preceding time:
5192 lobbies since april 8
61 days
85.11 lobbies per day

13225 lobbies sep 28 to april 8
192 days
68.88 lobbies per day

so a 24% increase in activity the past 2 months versus the preceding 7 months

Originally Posted by aamirus

18417 lobbies opened since I created the lobby status tracker bot on 9/28/2020 as of 2:07 pm on 6/8/2021

253 days since then

72.79 lobbies opened per day

---------------------------------------

2587 lobbies opened since 5/8/2021

31 days since then

83.5 lobbies opened per day

-------------------------------

about a 15% increase in activity in the past month vs. the full period average.

or if we look at the past 2 months versus the preceding time:
5192 lobbies since april 8
61 days
85.11 lobbies per day

13225 lobbies sep 28 to april 8
192 days
68.88 lobbies per day

so a 24% increase in activity the past 2 months versus the preceding 7 months

18417 lobbies opened since I created the lobby status tracker bot on 9/28/2020 as of 2:07 pm on 6/8/2021

253 days since then

72.79 lobbies opened per day

---------------------------------------

2587 lobbies opened since 5/8/2021

31 days since then

83.5 lobbies opened per day

-------------------------------

about a 15% increase in activity in the past month vs. the full period average.

18417 lobbies opened since I created the lobby status tracker bot on 9/28/2020 as of 2:07 pm on 6/8/2021

253 days since then

72.79 lobbies opened per day

---------------------------------------

2587 lobbies opened since 5/8/2021

31 days since then

83.5 lobbies opened per day

-------------------------------

about a 15% increase in activity in the past month vs. the full period average.

Cute was banned nearly a whole year ago, and I�ve played thousands of games too. Do you have a point of some kind?

Cute was banned nearly a whole year ago, and I�ve played thousands of games too. Do you have a point of some kind?

[QUOTE=Veliaire;931936]Free speech should be drawn at the law. Profanity, Racism, Sexism, is not illegal. Pedophilia, Genocide, and Rape are illegal.

I don't look to internet chat spaces or video games to teach me what I should or shouldn't say. If you want a sterilized gaming experience that is disconnected from real life, then maybe don't play with other people? Or at the very least, don't play a multi player game that relies on communication. Or do, and simply mute the person who is saying naughty words you don't like. It's that simple![/QUOTE]

The mute function really only applies to dead chat. You can’t exactly play this game with people muted when you’re both alive. It’s a dumb thing to anchor your argument on.

Secondly, would blizzard mute and or ban your account for your ‘free speech’? Since we know the answer is yes, half your argument is obviously moot and the assumption is you think sc2mafia should ignore that because it’s in desperate need of players. But
1) since these punishments started, activity in the mod has notably increased
2) again the goal of moderation is rehabilitation. Hence a WL. 90% of people are going to get the message and just adjust their behavior. Of those who refuse, then the punishment is naturally going to escalate but even then there would still be temporary ban lists before anything is permanent. Even people who keep offending to the point of a permaban are usually given an appeal if they seem to genuinely want to cooperate. So I don’t really buy the argument of this reducing the playerbase or making it harder to fill games. Is it really that hard to ask not to spam about “money-grubbing jews” which is clearly not a political statement but a racist one?

Edit: and when you choose the name before roles are even decided, I don’t think it can be claimed that it’s just for vet bait either…

Originally Posted by Veliaire

Free speech should be drawn at the law. Profanity, Racism, Sexism, is not illegal. Pedophilia, Genocide, and Rape are illegal.

I don't look to internet chat spaces or video games to teach me what I should or shouldn't say. If you want a sterilized gaming experience that is disconnected from real life, then maybe don't play with other people? Or at the very least, don't play a multi player game that relies on communication. Or do, and simply mute the person who is saying naughty words you don't like. It's that simple!

The mute function really only applies to dead chat. You can’t exactly play this game with people muted when you’re both alive. It’s a dumb thing to anchor your argument on.

Secondly, would blizzard mute and or ban your account for your ‘free speech’? Since we know the answer is yes, half your argument is obviously moot and the assumption is you think sc2mafia should ignore that because it’s in desperate need of players. But
1) since these punishments started, activity in the mod has notably increased
2) again the goal of moderation is rehabilitation. Hence a WL. 90% of people are going to get the message and just adjust their behavior. Of those who refuse, then the punishment is naturally going to escalate but even then there would still be temporary ban lists before anything is permanent. Even people who keep offending to the point of a permaban are usually given an appeal if they seem to genuinely want to cooperate. So I don’t really buy the argument of this reducing the playerbase or making it harder to fill games. Is it really that hard to ask not to spam about “money-grubbing jews” which is clearly not a political statement but a racist one?

Edit: and when you choose the name before roles are even decided, I don’t think it can be claimed that it’s just for vet bait either…

[QUOTE=Veliaire;931927]So knowing how hard it is to get a game started most days, why are you banning people for speech? I don't get that. Why have a mute function if you are just going to ban people for saying stuff you don't like?[/QUOTE]

You don�t appear to have been banned. A main goal of moderation is rehabilitation, not removing people Willy nilly.

Originally Posted by Veliaire

So knowing how hard it is to get a game started most days, why are you banning people for speech? I don't get that. Why have a mute function if you are just going to ban people for saying stuff you don't like?

You don�t appear to have been banned. A main goal of moderation is rehabilitation, not removing people Willy nilly.

as far as i can tell, the mod is currently the most active it has been in a couple years

using scelight i see that i have played 50 games with you. Hi!

as far as i can tell, the mod is currently the most active it has been in a couple years

using scelight i see that i have played 50 games with you. Hi!