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  1. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:"Standard" FM Setup

    Thread Author:Auckmid

    Post Author:Gerik

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    12 players
    9v3
    3 town power + 6 citizen vs 3 maf
    mafia possible roles: consort, framer, godfather
    town possible roles: sheriff, doctor, escort, citizen

    Something along those lines. Could add more possible roles, but this is the basic shell of it.
  2. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM The Werewolf Ball [Game Thread]

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banshis View Post
    Yea, I knew it was Mike before the game started since he accidentally posted in a different game with his anon. Not like it mattered. I don't really try to com hunt, but some people I figured out.
    Taco- Mike
    BK- Gerik
    Starbucks- Slaol
    Popeyes- Damus
    KFC- Glip
    DQ- I assumed blink
    JitB- TDL

    Rest I didn't really think too much into who they were.
    I had a similar list. Mine was:

    Taco- Mike
    Starbucks- Slaol
    KFC- Glip
    DQ- blink
    Arby's- Banshis
    Pizza hut- Auckmid
    Popeyes- Damus? (wasn't sure)

    other fucks- :shrug:
  3. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM The Werewolf Ball [Game Thread]

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Thing is, they were starting to say they were OK with lynching Pops/Subway and weren't pushing Dominos lynch as hard they should have.
    Reread that day. Look at where my vote was. Then you may take your foot out of your mouth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glip View Post
    Arbys was the one that leaned Popeyes, because he was the Pink SK, not true ICU.

    BK was hard against it, as he should have been.
    ^
  4. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM The Werewolf Ball [Game Thread]

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glip View Post
    Yup. Losing sheriff N1 + 4-man scum team getting control of 2 night kills by N2 was not in Town's favor.

    We actually could've still made it, though, if I managed to draw kills at the end and we had lynched JitB.

    Even though we didn't lynch Subway, I'm still throwing my excuse in the "Subway gamethrew by forgetting her night action" cup :P
    It was definitely a blunder, and in many games would have been game-swinging... But in our case, I don't think it affected the outcome of the game. Even if we confirmed subway was town and you managed to draw an attack, I don't think there was any way we got out of that.
  5. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM The Werewolf Ball [Game Thread]

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Can we all agree how dumb we all are for not instant lynching a witch claimer?
    I've seen town witch be a thing before and it was a hidden setup, so... meh.

    Also I never suspected that this game would be 11 v 4 v 1. Town had no chance, especially with how early purple had control of both kills, ensuring the scum would never hit each other and they'd never accidentally attack the same target.
  6. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM The Werewolf Ball [Game Thread]

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

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    I like that the jailor jailed every member of the ICU EXCEPT the actual traitor. lol
  7. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:FM Moving Forward

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

    Post Author:Gerik

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    I'm actually surprised people agree Last time I said something like this, it wasn't received very well lol.
    @Firebringer sparked the idea a long time ago rip fb


    I also want to add that, as a player, I wish something could be done about number of posts in games lol. I am definitely guilty for posting a lot myself, but now that i'm busier in life I have come to realize that behavior definitely has a negative effect on a game lol. I'll wake up to like 600 posts and it's like shit there is no way i have time to read all of this lol. I think it would be a lot better there were fewer, but more extensive, posts.

    I'm not entirely sure what exactly can be done to reduce quantity & increase quality of posts. Does anyone else experience this, or am I in the minority? lol

    Some things I've considered are like....
    - prevent double posting via a plugin. Issue with this is that someone can make 2 quality posts in a row, so this is more like a band-aid.
    - set minimum character count to like X characters (maybe 3 sentences or so). This idea I do actually like.. However, if you forget to vote or you misspell your vote, then you can't follow up with just a vote. (Unless we got a new vote system, too).

    Or, maybe there is no problem lol It's hard being old
    Quote Originally Posted by Auckmid View Post
    I agree that some players spam harder then they should in FMs and that a focus on higher post quality over post count would be good for FMs. However, you can't really force players to make high quality posts, you can only encourage.

    I'm not sure I agree if with disabling the ability to post twice in a row. Sometimes you make a post and realize that you missed something important which needs to be amended. Also, if players are ever in a final 3 situation, only being able to make 1 post before having to wait for another player to post can suck. I think hosts just have to more heavily enforce anti-spam rules if they don't want players making 15 consecutive posts on day 1 ( @Slaol @Mike ).

    If you really wanted to force a change in posting styles in FMs, the solution I see would be to set a maximum number of posts players can make in a 24 hour period, then increase the length of days to compensate the decrease in post count. This isn't to say that forcing this change SHOULD become standard, just that I believe this to be the best way if there is a desire to do so.
    I have actually been telling Slaol recently about how I was thinking about hosting a game with a posting restriction in an effort to combat this issue. I haven't landed on the exact restriction yet. I was thinking along the lines of 'X posts per 24-hour period', but I'm open to other ideas.
  8. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Site meta

    Thread Author:Damus_Graves

    Post Author:Gerik

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auckmid View Post
    If I am understanding the thread correctly, this is more or less a conversation on preference of vanilla setups vs. thematic/special setups. The simple answer from me is that I enjoy all sorts of games regardless of whether they are very basic or very thematic, provided that the host puts in good thought towards the balance and focus of the setup. As such, while setup innovation is often a nice thing to see, it isn't something I see as necessary to have a fun game.

    Now that I have given my opinion on that, my thoughts on what I see as "unfun" roles...

    As I mentioned above, innovation isn't usually a massive concern for me when it comes to enjoying a setup. However, something that is important for me to really enjoy a setup is an emphasis on scumhunting as opposed to relying on night actions, which is obtainable in both vanilla and thematic setups. As such, some of the roles I think are worst for the game are the ones which punish good scumhunting...


    Cult Leader (Faction Conversion): There are two major issues I see with conversion. Firstly, no matter how pro-town a player acts, they have the potential of getting converted during the following night. As such, you can't actually rely at all on a players post history since they could have previously been town but have recently been converted. This is terrible for scumhunting since it can easily punish you for having faith in your town reads, which is just bad. Secondly, switching alignments is typically not fun. Any work that you did as your previous alignment doesn't matter anymore, and you might even have to undo your leads that were on the right track due to your faction switch, which just sucks.


    Jester: Some people might argue that this role is actually good for emphasizing scumhunting since you have the extra dimension of considering if that super scummy person is actually trying to get lynched. However, I would heavily disagree with this argument. While noob jesters might act like idiots and hope they get lynched as a result, good jesters will be much more subtle and simply attempt to mimic more minor scumtells and hope that the town picks up on it and tries to lynch them. As such, good jester play ends up punishing good scumhunting and just ends up being bad for the game. Expecting players to be able to determine that those subtle scumtells were actually intentional is just unrealistic.


    Executioner: I just think this is a bad role except maybe in a super vanilla setup with little to no investigative roles to be claimed. If someone claims sheriff and says that player X is scum, it's unrealistic to expect the town to not believe the claim and lynch player X unless player X has a strong role claim. If player X has a strong role claim, it's incredibly unfun to play a role that is trying to get them lynched.


    Suriviour/Amnesiac (Fuzzy win conditions): These roles can be fun to play. However, giving players conflicting win conditions of "win with the town" vs "win with the mafia" makes them too hard to balance to be fun to play with, since the result of the entire game can often be determined simply by which faction they choose to side with.


    And now you know why I will generally exclude non-killing neutrals from my setups. Also, this is by no means meant to "shame" people who enjoy these types of neutrals in their games, just to explain why I don't enjoy playing against these roles.
    I second this.

    I'd also like to add Blackmailer and Ventriloquist to the list of anti-fun roles. Of the two, blackmailer is the bigger offender because it manages to be anti fun for both the target and the blackmailer itself depending on the particular rules/implementation by the host, whereas Ventriloquist is always at least enjoyable for the Ventriloquist player, but regardless, the main issue with both roles is that they create this weird limbo for the target where they're not actually dead, but also not able to actually participate in the game, which sucks.

    Another role I dislike is the bodyguard. It's not exactly anti-fun in the way that the above roles are, but it still kind of sucks to play as because your role's entire purpose is to die and unlike jester, it isn't granted a win just for for doing so. So you have to choose between trying to use your action successfully at night, or staying alive to prolong your presence/contribution in day chat.
  9. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:How to be a better FM player

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

    Post Author:Gerik

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    I suspected him of being scum. I think he'd agree it was a fair assessment at the time.
  10. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:How to be a better FM player

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Lol i thought the "elite" players know how to make it past night 1? =P
    We do. Anon accounts.
  11. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Delete my account!

    by Rachyl

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    nothing of value was lost
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    What happens to the realities in the case of a tie vote? I'm guessing you'll just random between them, but I want there to be some kind of weird AB hybrid reality.
  13. Forum:Closed Signups (S-FM)

    Thread:The Werewolf Ball [Signups]

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    sorry i was fucked up last night, didn't end up sending em out
    plox gib
  14. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:DodgeBall: A true WIFOM story.

    Thread Author:Slaol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yayap View Post
    THROW IT AT THE HOST! THROW IT AT THE HOST! HIT SLAOL! :P
    I propose an armistice during which both teams throw all of their balls at Slaol
  15. Forum:Approved Forum Mafia Setups

    Thread:S-FM:

    Thread Author:Damus_Graves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Werewolf
    Bite a player at night. Choose between death and conversation. Citizens only can be converted
    So... Come here often?
  16. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Thread Author:Auckmid

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    -vote Naz


    Overall I was pretty disappointed in this town due to the lack of logical reasoning, but Naz was actually quite good. I agree with Auckmid's assessment of her play. She played well.
  17. Forum:Closed Signups (S-FM)

    Thread:The Werewolf Ball [Signups]

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glip View Post
    I like the idea of having anon accounts for this one.
    yes pls
  18. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Thread Author:Auckmid

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    Anyway, gotta run for now. Lynch me if you must.
  19. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    Is this day just going to be..

    Gerik vs Slaol: ROUND 2

    ??
    I really tried to avoid that, but everyone seems to insist that it continue. I'm over it at this point.
  20. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Thread Author:Auckmid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    It goes beyond that dude. You dont have to "explain why its scummy" but you could support why its NOT instead of needing specific questions you can try to move away from.

    You could post your game solution instead of needing Yayaps.

    You could pick a read and lead on it.

    You're literally ONLY being reactive and its scummy and anti-town.

    Again, here, you need hand holding to even grasp what you should do in basic conversation
    I don't think it's scummy to ask someone to provide some evidence to support their accusations. I literally don't see any way the post he quoted could be interpreted in a scummy/negative way, so I can't defend myself from that until he tells me why he sees it that way.

    Yeah, I wanted Yayap to post his plan. He claimed the game was solvable and I wanted to see the solution. How the fuck is that anti-town? If I had my way, he'd have posted it and if he did and he had been right about whatever his solution was, we'd be doing that and on the way to winning this game right now. But since he did the typical Yayap thing where he's cagey and doesn't share information, whatever solution he had in mind is completely lost to us.

    I did pick a read and lead on it. Wtf do you think I was doing all of day 1? But today, in light of new information, I've been trying to reevaluate and get more out of others such as Banshis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    But you've implied it.
    You here say that you thought he was a confused townie who reacts to vote with OMGUS.
    But here you oppose the NKA (which you claim to be incriminating towards Mike) to the OMGUS.

    Which makes me think that you're opposing them... I think I might've been too tunneled on Slaol
    The main reason I thought he was confused was he made some pretty basic errors about the setup as well as other logical errors. The OMGus just seemed like part of the package to me.

    That said...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Poor logic =/= no intent, it makes the intent OBVIOUS, usually.
    This is actually a really good point. Through that lens, I understand the suspicion of Mike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    You've scumpainted Naz out of nowhere just to keep pushing Slaol...

    Also, you could have defended your post... Are you literally admitting that your post is scummy?
    I didn't "scum paint" Naz, I acknowledged the possibility that she could be scum. If you think she's 100% confirmed town, bully for you, but in reality that simply isn't true and I don't think it's anti-town to point out the possibility that Naz and Slaol are both scum. Also, bonus flaw in your argument- I haven't pushed to lynch Slaol at all today, so how could that possibly be my motive for pointing it out?

    No.
  21. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Thread Author:Auckmid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Why don't you do some fucking work in a conversation for once
    lol I'm not about to explain why my own post is scummy, especially when I do not see anything scummy about it.

    But if you want to crucify me for that, go for it.
  22. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Thread Author:Auckmid

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    Gerik (5 [L-2]):
    creedkingsx, blinkskater, Damus_Graves (Mayor), Marshmallow Marshall

    Just saving this for later.
  23. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    ...
    -vote Gerik
    Don't hammer yet... but this is seriously vote-worthy.
    Care to explain why? I'm not seeing it.
  24. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Well, you say OMGUS is towny...? Because you were stating that as a balance to night kill analysis, that you deem to be incriminating Mike, at least a bit.

    I mean, I can understand a null read on TDL for low activity, and on Banshis for the same reason (although I don't get the town lean but u say it's gut). But a null read on Mike is really weird, and I think you're afraid of forming reads on people because you're been focused on Slaol only. However, you're not a newbie... I've read Naz results and.... ew. I did scumread Slaol, earlier; but now, knowing that he is town, you just pushing a policy lynch because of his sole role (at first, and then you pushed him for his reaction to it) is scummy, don't you think? @Gerik

    TL;DR : I think you might be scum afraid to make reads on people because you've been so focused on Slaol that you can't get a big picture.
    No. At no point have I said OMGus is towny.

    It's true, Mike has made a lot of posts. The thing is, I don't really understand what he's saying half the time. Rules of grammar and spelling are mere suggestions to him. And frankly, I don't know him well enough as a player to determine if his poor logic is just a result of him lacking an understanding of it or if it's intentional manipulation on his part. My guess is that it's the former, which is why I find it difficult to read him.

    The scum team I had in my head yesterday was: Slaol, Damus, Creed, and Yayap. I wasn't completely sure on Creed and Yayap because Yayap is hard to read and Creed didn't take any strong stances. I've been trying to re-evaluate my reads today based on the information that Slaol is likely town.

    So far I've decided that I still think Damus and Creed are mafia and that Creed only went along with Yayap's plan because he it cost him very little (he still got to roleblock a powerful town role) and gave him town cred.
  25. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Thread Author:Auckmid

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    Quote Originally Posted by creedkingsx View Post
    -vote Gerik

    I'm also with this. I don't like that Gerik's effective only counter argument to @Slaol 's pressure on him in regards to the policy lynch was that MM also seemed to agree with it. That's not a defense, it's really just a redirect.
    Because MM committed to his night action based on the networker chat, I'm inclined to believe he's town.

    As Slaol said probably 4 dozen times by now, Gerik just knows better than to policy lynch. Day 1 lynches are bad and they should feel bad.
    If THAT is what you took away from my posts yesterday, either you didn't read them or you misunderstood them. Please point out the post(s) in which I justified any of my arguments by saying that MM agreed with them.

    Saying I should "know better because they're bad" is not much of an argument as to why policy lynches are always bad. If you've got something more compelling, I'm all ears. Also, as I've already stated, I had started to get a scum lean on Slaol and wanted to see how he responded. I maintain that his response was poor, and I'm confused as to why no one else seemed to care about it. Though now it appears he is most likely town unless we find out that naz isn't.
  26. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banshis View Post
    Ok, I'm home now.

    First, I can't believe you guys lets a train get into hammer range for the mayor before even half the day has been used, the train literally was a bandwagon and no doubt there is mafia on it. I doubt Damus is mafia, but Gerik putting me into that range so early is incredibly suspicious.

    Second, I have no doubt that Yayap is a good player, but to everyone taking this architect combo and coordination as everyone having to be town is idiotic. Nothing about this coordination makes them town. As long as one person in that group is mafia this coordination works out in their fucking favor. Escort is roleblocking the bus driver meaning their hit can't be redirected. The Sheriff is checking a pretty big town target who people were already not going to lynch. This means none of them are being checked. Also if Naz + Slaol scum team then they can make a scum seem guranteed town (will say I believe this is not the case, but stating it anyways). Lookout is visiting the roleblocked busdriver meaning their kill in undetectable on whoever they go for. I'm sure that there is a mafia in that group and they know it. If Gerik is mafia also then they already know that the doctor won't stop them from a kill on Yayap. Blinkskater stated that he would protect his highest town read. He made it obvious Slaol was his biggest town read. Then if you assume he wasn't literal and just wanting to bait them to attack Naz who he ended up guarding they don't go for her because she is expecting protection and her dying anyways would make the protectives look suspicious. This all leads to Yayap getting killed and because of how great of a player and the fact he is town, all the people in that chat are practically confirmed town!
    Why do you doubt Damus is mafia? Why did you single out my vote against you as being suspicious?

    You're right that Slaol isn't confirmed town until naz is confirmed town, but why do you think it wasn't worthwhile to check him?
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    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Wow most of these last few posts have been absolutely useless.
    Which ones in particular?
  28. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by creedkingsx View Post
    My assumption is a different person to kill last night to use tonight
    Oh, as in he would have killed someone specifically to take their role? I didn't even think about that. Ok, well going through the list:

    Mayor - untargetable
    Doctor - not useful to scum
    Lookout - not useful to scum
    Veteran - immune to mafia kill
    Survivalist - wouldn't actually die + not that useful even if he did
    Vigilante - Good, but can only be used once
    Grave Digger - you are here
    Jailor - some use, but relies on there being a no lynch today, which can't be depended upon
    Escort - Very Desirable
    Networker - some use, but not great for scum
    Bus Driver - very Desirable
    Bodyguard - no good
    Sheriff - no good

    The way I see it, there are only 4 targets he'd really want, with BD & Escort being clearly better than the rest (imo) since they both cause confusion without leaving a trace and are repeatable on a consistent basis.

    While it's true that Networker is not on that list, Yayap is obviously a strong player that mafia knew was working against them, so it's possible that Mike is scum and they simply prioritized eliminating Yayap over bolstering Mike's power.
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    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

    Thread Author:Auckmid

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    Quote Originally Posted by naz View Post
    TOWN READS, SUBJECT TO CHANGE:
    @blinkskater is The Goddess(Bodyguard)
    @Mike is Don Lu(Grave Digger) <- if he was mafia, they would have chosen a different role to take advantage of i believe
    What do you mean he would have chosen a different role? He has no other options. Yayap is his only valid target.

    I'm down with the pressure vote.
    -vote Banshis
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    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by creedkingsx View Post
    The thin argument is MM could be lying ab oi ut seeing me visit you and I could be lying about role blocking you and you could have busted yourself with someone who is town. She admits this is unlikely.
    Quote Originally Posted by naz View Post
    if u were mafia, u would have to be on a team with MM and creed, and they would both have to be lying to me

    also there's nothing in the role card that says u can't swap urself:
    Bus Driver

    Each night, target 2 people to be swapped.
    All other actions targeting one of the swapped persons will instead target the other person.
    Does not affect jailor executions or escort roleblocks, which occur earlier in the OoO.
    No feedback is given to either of the swapped individuals.
    He can't bus himself. I asked. But just for everyone's benefit:

    @Auckmid ;Which roles (if any) are allowed to target themselves with their own action?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Disagree. I just believe I have interpreted information correctly today and find your statements so far equally as suspect as yesterday.

    I'd say if YOU are town you have a terrible way of showing it.

    Town wants activity, opinions, and leadership.

    You want lurking, null reads, and to be hand held despite being the best player on the site.
    I have been active and open with my opinions. I'll leave the leadership discussion open to others.

    At what point did I encourage or expressed a desire for lurking? My reads are null on those players because they haven't said much. You are welcome to disagree, but given my strong read on you (regardless of whether or not it was correct), it's not fair to say all my reads are null.

    And really not sure how to take that compliment from someone who has been calling me bad all game.

    Quote Originally Posted by naz View Post
    no it didn't but there is a WILD ASS chance that MM/creed/slaol are a scum team, but i REALLY don't want to think about that world right now. i am trusting u right now tho for having the correct answer of protecting the sheriff.
    Why would an MM/Creed/Slaol scum team affect your sheriff check? If Creed had RB'd you, you'd know it from the lack of feedback. And Slaol can't bus himself, so your check was 100% accurate. We just have no way of knowing if you're lying about it or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Banshis View Post
    I literally read that in ur voice.
    It's nearly impossible not to, tbh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Everyone go reread FM 17

    Dracule Mihawk. top 50 fictional villains of all time across all media. Played by my BFFL Gerik. #proudbffl
    luv u bb <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Gerik I hope your straws are paper, not plastic, for the good of the planet.
    If you really are town, you have a terrible way of showing it.
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    Though thinking about it some more, I suppose this doesn't rule out the possibility that naz is scum alongside Slaol. Did Yayap's plan account for this possibility?
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    Quote Originally Posted by naz View Post
    Sucks that no protective role was on Yap, because now he could have coordinated me and Slaol. Looking to lynch Gerik today or mayeb even the bg
    Please reveal who you were on last night protective roles
    Town has nothing to lose by revealing all info i believe
    Once all info is out we can find the liars because the only ones that need to lie are mafia
    I healed you. I figured you would check me or Slaol and wanted to make sure you survived for that check to matter.

    I really thought Slaol was scum. Now I'll have to rethink all of my reads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creedkingsx View Post
    So I've been trying to use context to figure it out but what specifically does omgus mean. It I cant figure out what it is or how it became a thing becuase its hella awkward to read in my head.
    It refers to when a player scumreads someone solely because that person called them scum. So Mike's reasoning for scumreading anyone in this game, essentially.

    I'm not sure why that's the term for it, though. I've always thought of it as something like "OMG ur scum!", but that seems too stupid to be real, so I'll be disappointed if that's what it is. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    @Gerik @Slaol , I'd like to know your reads on TDL, Mike, and Banshis.
    null, null, and null leaning town.

    Banshis and TDL haven't said enough for me to get a strong read on them. My slight town lean on Banshis is mostly gut feeling.

    Mike I just can't decide. Day 1 I thought he was just a confused townie, who reacts to pressure with omgus because he doesn't know better. But I can't help but notice that Yayap, the guy who actually wanted to start a vote train on Mike, is the one who was killed last night, which fits with Mike's omgus. Of course, since it's Yayap, I can think of reasons why any scum team would want to kill him, which is why I'm still undecided on Mike's alignment. But I am definitely going to be examining him more closely now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    @Gerik

    More questions. I know you love them

    Mike's suggestion of being jailed and sheriff check reads like poor setup understanding. Do you think it could be a product of Yayap confusing him into saying it?
    I agree, I think it was poor setup knowledge on Mike's part. I think he did. I have a feeling I know where Yayap is going with this, so I'm willing to let it play out if for no other reason than to gain insight into Yayap's motives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yayap View Post
    No, I am not. I'm saying that both Slaol and Gerik are experienced players that are hard to read day 1. They can easily be S/S burning each other to get the valuable town cred, and gerik being doc - a role mafia don't need - he would be the one sacrificed, Slaol can easily dodge investigative roles by bussing himself around. (funny that Slaol pointed out that exact strategy replacing Gerik with me when he said it to MM)

    Just as much as they can both be T/T - both their arguments against the other is a giant pissing match of who is better. A mislynch on either of them would gain me nothing train wise because Slaol is soo vocal and people are too lazy to actually scumhunt that many are just throwing a vote onto this train with very little thought. Anyone voting could be town just as much as scum.

    Or it could be S/T - but again, the argument is soo weak on either side because of their playstyles that it's hard to judge.

    Personally, I'm not even gonna try to take a side yet as there is a much better chance of learning their motives later in the game when the night actions and other voting trains happen. Gerik is a no risk role, so I'm not in a hurry to lynch him - Slaol is a high risk, but is also very good at deflecting/drowning/defending and with the poor information we have day 1, lynching him is near impossible.

    Which is why I'm focusing more on others.


    If Gerik flips town - what do we gain? Slaol is not auto scum - and neither is anyone who sheeped Slaol... because hell, people have joined this train pretty much only because Slaol said so.

    If Gerik flips scum - it opens up the possibility of deep hidden scum that will dodge sheriff checks and blocking checks - I do this often so I know that I can't get an accurate read off of a day 1 train.


    I find it concerning that Slaol is determined to get me to influence the investigative roles in what to do - possibly because he can probably guess who I would check and can wifom stuff out of that. I can see him doing that as scum just as much as town - so again, I have to wait before I judge him.
    I can't help but notice there's no assessment of what happens if Slaol flips town/scum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    These are the posts in question @Gerik
    Ok, @Damus_Graves . This one's for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    @rumox

    In this post here I just now pointed out Gerik claiming that scum reading someone is not the ONLY reason to see them as scum. Yet his move from "policy lynch" to "Slaol is the #1 scum" was rooted ONLY in my reaction and scum reading of his action. Before that it was just a "TvT policy lynch ok guys", but after that I took an action he specifically said wasn't scummy in itself, and then read it as scummy. Lies. Manipulation. Narrative. IN THREAD FACT
    Translation: It's ok for Slaol to say: "lynch me, it's good" and then say "IT WAS A TRAP" and "MM is super scum" followed by "lol jk I townread him the whole time it was all part of my plan", but when I make a vote for mixed reasons some of which I claim immediately (policy) and some of which I don't (slight scum read on Slaol) somehow that makes me scummy? Nah dawg.

    @Damus - this post has no evidence by Slaol of me twisting his words. He is accusing me of being a hypocrite (ignoring my explanation of what was actually going on and supplanting his own) while himself being a hypocrite.


    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    For all of his complaining that Mike and Yayap aren't offering value he seems to add a fuck ton of fluff himself. The insult isn't supposed to change value. The puns, which I have a fucking plenty of, are not even close to what I'm talking about.



    And here he tries to jump ahead of my post, despite saying that it had nothing anyway. Fear.
    Still no evidence of me twisting words. The first part is pretty weak and ignores the fact that I was calling out entire posts for being worthless. He has had to nitpick specific pieces of my posts to create this so called "contradiction" to try to paint me as a hypocrite.

    Also trying to say I'm afraid of him/his words. I'm not, it's just that there's little/no substance to them, most of it his his own projections. I also want to actually talk to people other than Slaol, which will be imposible if I respond to all of his accusations because they are never ending. This is intentional on his part as he is trying to both bury other conversations and keep me on the defensive so I can't effectively pursue other leads.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Using out of game commentary- something he blames me for later

    Picks a safe middle ground opinion on the policy lynch

    Dismissing Mike, an easy lynch.
    Still no sign of me twisting Slaol's words. Did you just pick these posts at random, Damus?

    In any case, to the first point: Slaol once again ignores all nuance. I made a dumb joke based on a joke we have that has nothing to with this fm. I did not in any way use this to make or support my arguments about things within the game. He has actively tried to use metagame knowledge as evidence against me.

    2nd point: Not much to be said. I was undecided, so I said so. My mind changed later.

    3rd: I dismissed his post. I'm also not the one who pointed him out as an easy lynch as Slaol did in this post. And for the record, I don't particularly want to lynch Mike at this point in time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    I've rewritten this a couple times because I don't think you guys will care as much about my intent and will care more about what I see right now. (also for formatting)

    I wanted the attention to bring out a scum mislynch push. I was setting it up all game, and it is here now. Don't let them brush off their overwhelming lack of real contribution.

    -vote Gerik


    Topic 1: The policy lynch
    - The reality is that a policy lynch is a fucking terrible idea, especially when it is over the strongest roles, which I suggested. You’ll notice most players were against a policy lynch. This game is 9 vs 4, which means that for a mislynch day one Town has to get 7 of its 8 voters lynch the 9th, or that Mafia only needs to gather 3 towns. Those numbers mean for a Scum sanctioned lynch we only need to lose 37.5% of the town, but to pull off a mislynch we’d need 87.5% to fail. A mislynch on day 1 is truly a failure of the town, or a signup list for scums. The only reason you might jump on the idea of a town sanctioned lynch is if you were scum and really hoping to get off with a nice numbers advantage: here goes the plan.
    Topic 2: Me as the lynch
    - I have been specifically angling myself as the lynch target all day, for the sole purpose of drawing attention to me and hopefully no one else. Players like Mike or Marshall are not good at defense long terms and I don’t support their defending themselves. Stealth is also hyper low activity and a mislynch on them on day 1 was incredibly likely to occur if a dynamic didn’t shift. If they clearly slipped then they would be good bus targets, shot targets, escort targets, and jail if we don’t lynch, but they were also the easiest to be lynched. I am also a large character, simply on personality, and likely to draw a lot of attention. I said I’d rather be msilynched day 1 instead of executed night 1, and that is incredibly true. If Rumox can pop me he can just shrug it off, but a hammer on my head shows that scum is likely involved.
    Topic 3: The town 3
    - I called for my lynch, and specifically asked. I also decided to seek out the 3 town votes that I needed. I knew Yayap would vote me out of pure Vegeta/Goku rivalry shit, and he did. I buddied him early also to raise his suspicions of me. Marshall I knew I could get to vote me, and push me, by simply pointing out little thngs in his posts and telling him he was scummy. The dude, when town, can not stop himself from OMGUSing to save his fucking life. He did it against a confirmed town in turnabout, dude has no control of it. And Mike I counted on pure RNG because I think hes probably voted everyone about 10 times. There was my 3.
    Topic 4: The Mafia 4
    - I knew Gerik, or Damus, if they were scum would jump on the bait, and Gerik did. He pushed for a lynch he felt he could pawn off on me as having been my idea, as he has tried to do. Of course I suggested it…. Because it was incredibly anti-town to do so. The fact that he actually rode with it is fucking hilarious and (ill repeat) beneath him. He did it as a signal, as the 4th of 7, to let his Mafia know to get in on the vote, and even someone who had previously agreed with me on like everything (rumox) is now grasping at straws to scum paint me. I had hoped to get a few more no ones on me to get a few more reads but I did get the votes I was waiting for so *shrug*
    Topic 5: Their shit ass accusations.
    - Gerik is nothing more than trying to mislynch under the guise of a policy lynch. He only calls me a top scum read after I respond to his vote by calling him scum…. … … which earlier in the game he had said reading someone as scum is not inherently scummy… almost like he’s just making shit up as he goes. And you’ll note that even though he says there is nothing behind anything I have to say he then actually mentions 2 different ways I have deeper intent. His consistency is pathetic, but he’s clinging on to it, where as I have proudly announced my switching gears, in the same way I plan to use my role power as best I can for investigative purposes rather than pretending I am perfect.
    - Rumox: He had previously agreed with me on most things, but after the Gerik signaling his accusation amounted to “But geric says so” and then trying to justify not executing literally the worst player in the game so far by contribution. You’ll notice Gerik also brushes off my statement that SB is a better execute – the guy with 3 fucking posts at the time, an activity warning, and who replaced out of his last game.
    Topic 6: Why am I slaol?
    - I am slaol because someone has to be. You’ll notice in Geriks second post that he attacks Mikes contribution, and manages to be pro-lynch without really saying it directly. He is dismissing someone he thinks will be an easy lynch, and setting up the option to push my lynch later, without bringing a lot of attention to himself. He then accuses me on VERY anti-town grounds, and further accusses me using logic that he himself disagrees with. I believe that his clear lie here is indicative that he both 1: doesn’t have a good reason to push me, AND 2: has painted Marshall as not knowing how to read either- likely another person he sees as lynchable and who is playing into their town meta.
    Topic 7: Town
    - My biggest Town reads are as follows. Yayap – the way he is talking and treating the game is townie. Damus is town and fearful to lynch me because he thinks if I flip mafia, which he’s not set on my alignment yet, it will look like he bussed me, which I happily already got him to point out in the day chat. TDL is just clearly town imo with how he has used his heightened pressure power on middle scummy players. Creed, I believe, is town based on my interactions with Gerik as Gerik wants my bussing out of the way. If Creed were mafia with him he could just block me. Mike is dumb town. Marshall is dumb town. Naz has also actively tried to solve the game by discussing how he and I should interact. That’s 8 of 9. Stealthbomber is actually my final town rewriting this. I had Rumox when I replied to HIM a minute ago, but reassessing how he and Gerik both matched on ignoring SBs obviously most lynchable status is too obvious.
    Topic 8: Scum
    - Gerik is scum I don’t need to say it again
    - Rumox is scum for his clear following of the signaling - waffling despite enjoying me being painted as less consistent.
    - Blink I’ve read as scum and how he just deflected accusations off of Mike and MM with such confidence shows a knowing mafia hoping to cash in on gracious towns. This definitely falls into the "knowing too much" that mafia like to show so hard.
    - Banshis. Banshis is low activity, and lower activity as scum, which he hates playing! He also blindly picks Mike to be town for really nothing but gut. Same play as Blink but not as honed.
    Topic 9: The 9 of town
    - Youll notice that the Town players Ive listed have all also offered more ideas on how to solve the game. I pushed mechanic value. Yayap is waiting on his own big reveal. Naz did so. Mike is fucking trying someone scratch him under the chin he’s so cute. Damus was clearly truly scumhunting. Creed was trying to coach and inform and is even calling me out for rule breaking while drunk. The town is contributing.
    - What are my scum players doing? Lurking but randomly buddying. Pushing a policy lynch on ground that they don’t even support. Not okaying executing a fucking 3 post player at the time, and buddying beyond what should be considerd public knowledge – a scum tell.
    Still no evidence of me twisting Slaol's words in this post. This is starting to feel like a waste of time. I've already responded to the parts of this post that had new information. I already knew Slaol was on Yayap's dick even though Yayap hasn't really said anything that's especially pro-town and hates Rumox because he agrees with me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    I do not read Slaol as scum. His posts are genuine in their feel and his points have too much contrast from themselves that a scum would have been more mindful of.
    The only thing giving me pause on slaol is:


    Even so I am against a lynch on Slaol at this point. Gerik's response thus far has been flimsy and it feels like a knee jerk reaction to being focused. Rusty or Scum. I am thinking he is a stronger FOS target right now than Slaol is.
    You got me to respond to Slaol's propaganda on false pretenses and somehow between the two of us you label MY response as a "knee jerk reaction"? lol ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    @Gerik
    Whenever you get back;
    • Slaol claims you are twisting his words and provided quotes to back it up as reference, later in the thread. Even though it is absolutely spammy it is still a valid rebuttable. What is your response?
    • Slaol claims that you are intentionally using the previously suggested policy lynch as a way to get a free mislynch out of the day. What is your response?
    • Slaol claims that you and Rumox are a scum team based on perceived agreement on why Slaol is scummy. Response?
    I don't recall him saying this, but it may have just gotten lost in the spam. If you point me to the exact examples, I can give a response to his specific allegations. With that said- I haven't twisted his words at all. He is the one trying to twist things around. Take this post for instance:

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Remember @Marshmallow Marshall , Gerik specifically put down your reasons to scum read both of us. He doesn't actually find your thoughts valid, he's working an angle.
    He's attacking me for what he perceives to be my intention behind it, as if he has any way of knowing my intentions. Apparently (according to Slaol) the fact that I wasn't satisfied with MMs initial reasoning behind his scum read of Slaol automatically means I don't care about what MM has to say at all for the rest of the game even though I have never said anything to that effect.

    Not quite. I started to get a bit of a scum read on him and used his suggested policy lynch to vote him and see how he would respond. His response further convinced me that he was scum, so I began pushing harder for his lynch.

    I can't speak for Rumox, but I am not on a scum team. And disagreeing with Slaol/ agreeing with a position he disagrees with is not itself a compelling argument of that person's scumminess. Same goes for any other player, myself included.
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    You're constantly spamming this thread with your discrediting nonsense. I'm not going to respond to all of it because I don't have the time or the patience. And honestly, the fact that you continue to spam posts without letting anyone get a word in seems like a tactic to dominate the discussion and drown out other voices by burying them in a sea of your stream of consciousness drivel.

    If anyone else has questions for me regarding anything you've said about me or about anything else game-related, I will answer them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banshis View Post
    I'm surprised you are confident in what I am based off of trying to meta, but I guess I still understand why you tried since I indeed haven't said much.
    Care to share any of your own thoughts on the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    If Slaol flips scum, I will look into Yayap more closely, and into Creeds, Naz and Banshis. Yayap - him could very well be SvS (even though I'm not sold on this at all, I townread Yayap). Slaol didn't interact with Creeds or Naz; yet they did post, could be something there. And he said he scumread Banshis, yet only addressed him once, in his wallpost.
    What do you think about the Damus/Slaol interactions? They seemed to gang up on you earlier as a possible lynch target and now Slaol is backpedaling and saying he townread you all along and Damus seems to have changed his mind, or at the very least lost interest in you.
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    That "mic drop" post was surprisingly informative. But not for reasons Slaol intended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Topic 1: The policy lynch
    - The reality is that a policy lynch is a fucking terrible idea, especially when it is over the strongest roles, which I suggested. You’ll notice most players were against a policy lynch. This game is 9 vs 4, which means that for a mislynch day one Town has to get 7 of its 8 voters lynch the 9th, or that Mafia only needs to gather 3 towns. Those numbers mean for a Scum sanctioned lynch we only need to lose 37.5% of the town, but to pull off a mislynch we’d need 87.5% to fail. A mislynch on day 1 is truly a failure of the town, or a signup list for scums. The only reason you might jump on the idea of a town sanctioned lynch is if you were scum and really hoping to get off with a nice numbers advantage: here goes the plan.
    Topic 2: Me as the lynch
    - I have been specifically angling myself as the lynch target all day, for the sole purpose of drawing attention to me and hopefully no one else. Players like Mike or Marshall are not good at defense long terms and I don’t support their defending themselves. Stealth is also hyper low activity and a mislynch on them on day 1 was incredibly likely to occur if a dynamic didn’t shift. If they clearly slipped then they would be good bus targets, shot targets, escort targets, and jail if we don’t lynch, but they were also the easiest to be lynched. I am also a large character, simply on personality, and likely to draw a lot of attention. I said I’d rather be msilynched day 1 instead of executed night 1, and that is incredibly true. If Rumox can pop me he can just shrug it off, but a hammer on my head shows that scum is likely involved.
    Topic 3: The town 3
    - I called for my lynch, and specifically asked. I also decided to seek out the 3 town votes that I needed. I knew Yayap would vote me out of pure Vegeta/Goku rivalry shit, and he did. I buddied him early also to raise his suspicions of me. Marshall I knew I could get to vote me, and push me, by simply pointing out little thngs in his posts and telling him he was scummy. The dude, when town, can not stop himself from OMGUSing to save his fucking life. He did it against a confirmed town in turnabout, dude has no control of it. And Mike I counted on pure RNG because I think hes probably voted everyone about 10 times. There was my 3.
    tl;dr- Slaol says it all... Highlighted in red.

    longer version:

    Slaol claims his plan from the beginning was to propose an anti-town plan and get scum to agree with it so he could find them. However if you read his Topic 3 section which I've highlighted above you'll see that his plan also involved getting town to vote him and he lists all the ways he tried to manipulate them to vote for him. The thing is, if he was town, how would Slaol know who was town in order to seek out their votes with this plan? He started this on page 1 of the game. Yayap and MM were just as likely to be scum as anyone else. Keep in mind he claims that this was his plan from the very beginning and he even cites his early pressure on MM as part of this plan (which started on page 3 of the game). The only way he could possibly know anyone's alignment so early is if he is scum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Since you made up your mind at this current state of the game. I want to ask for you thoughts about MM vs Blink.
    Do you read it TvS?
    Possibly. Perhaps not in the way you expect though. I lean town on MM and I think Blink's posts lack substance.
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    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yayap View Post

    Yup my earlier statement that the player base still can't scum hunt in a vanilla game still holds.
    Like I said, this is a "if, then, else" game... And yet no one has commented at all about that. Do I have to spell out everything of what the results PRs get tonight should happen?
    Break time over....
    This post is worthless.

    If you're going to contribute something useful, do it already. Enough with this announcement of an announcement bullshit. I've had enough of you and Slaol's ego masturbation. Come back to us once you've cleaned up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    It will be along those lines of course, but the depth you wont be ready for. Also.... i thought you said there was nothing to it? Even if my play was that shallow do i have intent or not? Make up your mind chief.
    Knowing what you're going to say is not the same as believing it's valid. My mind is made up until I see sufficient evidence to convince me otherwise.
  47. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerik View Post
    such as THIS
    Missed a word there.
  48. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    I hope you personally are aware of how poorly you're performing. But please keep talking so when i tell you the depths your claiming the votes doesnt matter will just be another sign of your inability on this day
    Insulting my performance doesn't make my points any less valid or yours any more so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    For the record. In my fucking personal life i have about 3 meanings in what i say in casual conversation. Geriks projection that i have nothing added in a fucking mafia game is genuinely standup material
    Making weird puns isn't really analogous to FM doublespeak.

    Also I want to take this opportunity to point out the frequency with which you attempt to use information from outside of this game such as evidence to justify your arguments about things within the game. The only reason you would need to do this is if there was insufficient in-game evidence to justify your positions, which to me is a sign that they don't have a lot of merit, at least within the context of this game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    I am eager to get to share
    Spoilers: It'll be something along the lines of "It was all a bait to catch scum, I never meant a word of it, now lynch Gerik".
  49. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Convenient that that would happen right after you get called out for the policy lynch on the grounds of nothing more than "We agreed and he wasn't nice about it."
    Perhaps we have different definitions of "call out". As I see it, you didn't "call me out" on the policy lynch so much as you got really defensive and suddenly started calling me scum out of nowhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight View Post
    Why not just... y'know... say it instead of saying some arbitrary number to make people waste time voting you for something you could just... y'know, say now?
    It's a stall tactic. There's no deeper level.

    Quote Originally Posted by creedkingsx View Post
    Deadass think Gerik and Slaol are just TvT.
    I think that's highly unlikely at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    Why do you want me to execute SB specifically?
    Because SB is low activity and thus an easy target on which to deflect unwanted attention/pressure.
  50. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM: LBP Small-Town Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Oof my dude. That's no fun why are we never on the same team.
    Why would you immediately assume we're not on the same team? I'm town, so that would make you scum. But for the sake of argument, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not claiming to be scum and are trying to say that you are town and I'm scum.

    Let's review the facts:

    Fact 1: You suggested that we policy lynch you on the grounds that your role is too powerful in scum hands
    Fact 2: I agreed with said policy lynch
    Fact 3: You then began to accuse me of being scum, as shown here.

    Since you didn't accuse me of being scum until after I reiterated my support of your lynching , we can conclude that you believe support of your lynch to be a scummy position (ignoring for the moment the obvious OMGUS nature of that behavior).
    However, you were the one who originally suggested lynching you, so by that logic you would also be scum. Therein lies the conundrum: If you're town and the suggestion was pro-town, as you claimed, then supporting it should also be seen as pro-town in your eyes. But you see me as scummy for supporting it. This means that either you know it's pro-town and are still actively against it (which would make you scum for opposing a pro-town plan) or you never saw it as a pro-town plan to begin with (which would make you scum for suggesting it).

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    BB1 do you have any reasons for my lynch other than my role? Cause I called for my own policy lynch on the topic of my role earlier
    I do now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    high value posts at all times.... followed within the same post by....



    policy lynch maybe our best role with literally 0 other support.

    the keking is maximum tbh

    Fucking @Gerik can we just commiserate that we NEVER fucking get to be on the same team? It genuinely pisses me off.
    It is indeed unfortunate that you are mafia.


    And now, on today's episode of Slaol argues with Slaol (emphasis mine):

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Okay so, actually rather than waiting on you fucks (im swearing more because my boy Yayap hates it) to make lists. I 100% believe we want to policy lynch from the list of roles that can most hurt us.

    That includes me, damus, creed, tdl. and mike. Rumox as extra because we can just roleblock him by lycnhing. Also mike would be tomorrow since he has no action

    These roles offer the most help to Mafia in relation to the other roles
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    Gerik is above a shit policy lynch like he is currently pushing. I'll explain further once I get some votes on me.
    Good news, Slaol. You've been upgraded from 'policy lynch' to #1 Scum read.
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