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    Thread:S-FM 336*: (Ladder) Politico II - 12P

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    /sign
    -vote aivion
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    As Martin mentions Stealthbomber16, I also wanted to give a shout-out to @oliverz144 !

    He was a great teammate and his day 2 play would have been clearing for our slot if the game did end up going late (a new wolf with that level of emotional conviction is just unbelievable)

    Thanks for playing this setup with me oliver!
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    For setup balance, I don't think this run is particularly indicative of balance or not, after all, a day 1 where wolves get a town eliminated, and just 2 wolves receive a pair of tokens from town can lead to a day 2 LYLO.

    (Two wolves have 2 tokens from town + 1 token from wolf teammates = 5 tokens each, day 2 is 6v3, if town miseliminates it'll go to 5v3 and the wolves will kill two people that night to make it 3v3)

    The token mechanics end up making the setup very swingy which is just difficult to balance in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I went into a detailed explanation about why SJ was town on d2 but since you didn't pay me much attention you didn't catch it
    Unironically, yes. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I still can't believe you clowns voted off SJ
    It was either SJ or Wrath. And Wrath cyber is literally never going deep to win the game in that position. SJ might
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    When literally every town in the game is a viable MVP candidate, you know the wolves had a bad time
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    @Marshmallow Marshall played well and had already projected himself as consensus town from a very early part of the game despite having fewer posts than many other slots. That level of town-energy efficiency is why wolves hate playing against MM. He did the same thing in the offsite game we played together and had to be nightkilled night 1 as a result in that game, but with no factional kill, wolves were just stuck with his town energy

    @SuperJack mis-chop was largely my doing, but it's not because anyone even misplayed. By virtue of making a viable counterwagon opportunity on day 2, it virtually cleared everyone that was sticking to their guns on the Ozy push. Did it put him personally in a bad spot that needed to be flipped? I think it did, which is why I pushed him so hard (sorry SJ!) but as SuperJack said himself, sometimes townies die, sometimes they need to be flipped, it's a part of the game. And his actions on day 2 to help clear several town were just as instrumental to the win as the players he cleared.

    @Loldebite also came in to days 2 and 3 with lots of town energy. I was telling oliver in our chat last night that Loldebite should never be dying today - he's just town here and if anything a deep wolf is more likely than Loldebite being a wolf, great town energy from him despite starting the game late

    @Light_Yagami @PQRnHack I am pretty sure Light and I "scum-read" each other at least half a dozen times throughout the game, but never enough to warrant even attempting to push each other. And then PQ's decision to vote Ozy rather than oliver when presented the chance just cleared their slot as town for the rest of the game. Good play all around from them.

    @Gikkle finding Varcron as an independently wolfy slot on day 1 helped us create the day 1 counterwagon that ended up clearing almost the entire town. If it weren't for that initiative from Gikkle, who knows if Ozy would have faced such scrutiny on day 2, who knows if the Mizery wagon could have been interpreted correctly or if paranoia of deep wolves would have set in. And Wrath's day 1 bus would have provided him far more town-cred than he ended up receiving if it weren't for the counter-wagon.

    But the slot that I want to vote for MVP is:
    @MartinGG99 and @Stealthbomber16 admittedly I didn't really pay any attention to Stealth because by the time he was in the game, I had already slotted Martin as town. But Martin and I went back and forth several times on day 1, he went from a slot I was scum-reading all the way up to being a solid town read - and that was just off the back of what he was posting. That level of swing without the help of any mechanics or wagonomics to clear him is what I consider to be an MVP level performance.

    If he didn't make himself so townie on day 1, then much more scrutiny gets applied to his decision to switch off of Mizery on to Ozy, maybe he gets wagoned for doing the switch to "save" Mizery instead of pushing forward on Ozy. Who knows how the game could have been different there. But his posting made me confident enough in his slot that I was more willing to label the day 1 Ozy wagon as a pure wagon over the day 1 Mizery wagon as a pure wagon, despite Mizery being the one that flipped wolf. That day 1 play from Martin and I finding each other as town, combined with Gikkle's counter-wagon on Varcron were the foundational blocks to town's stomping victory.

    -vote MartinGG99
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    Thread:S-FM 335: Bisected Souls

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    This game town played extremely well, and just stomped because of it.

    Early on there were suspicions between various town slots but through active play most all of the town managed to find each other and correctly box in the wolves.
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    GG everyone, ty @Auwt for hosting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Day Is Over Please Stop Posting And Stand By For Host EOD Review..
    Yes, but actually no
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    Poor MM
    Why vote SJ, he still has more votes than anyone else
    Do you think Wrath is more likely to be a wolf than SJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    he's less bad than me, since i am town. Town also had plenty of time to hammer SJ if they wanted to.
    No one is voting you, vote SJ
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    Wrath is a bad vote today.

    Like, even if he flips wolf, he's still a bad vote and town just lucked into him being wolf.
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    -vote SuperJack


    If no one wants to mech win, then might as well vote for the wolf I caught myself lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    if the game is over at this point then its not a game anymore

    which is where you are quite literally losing interest in it

    people in general find a 90% chance of winning to be more exciting and more satisfying than a 100% chance of winning

    and if it makes the game more enjoyable for everyone overall (or the alternative murders said enjoyment) then any semblance of formality over "town should do X" gets thrown out the window into a dumpster truck into a landfill which is immediately gifted with an impromptu nuclear detonation experiment
    Yes. The game should be over. The wolves lost, don't let your team get chopped days 1 and 2. I want to move on to the next game, Politico's setup is dope. You should go sign for it too!

    Choosing a 90% chance to win instead of a 100% chance to win is playing against someone's win-con. If someone does it because they're not able to tell the two options apart - that's one thing. But consciously choosing the option that's worse for your team is just playing against your win-con, not really any other way to look at it
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    SB is in opposition to mech-locking the game and cites a game (Magellan) where supposedly a mech lock situation happened (or something very similar in nature to what Lag is saying) and says it it is considered of the worst games of that year.

    I never read that game, so I can't really elaborate.
    I don't think the problem with Magellan was because of a mechlock situation.
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    https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...Flag_Nightless

    Blackflag Nightless - the alignment composition this setup was based on given the lack of a factional kill.

    Notice the "Mafia lose if reduced to 1 member"

    We've achieved the "Mafia lose if reduced to 1 member" so we should just take the mech win and call it a day.

    If anyone is "breaking the spirit of mafia" I'd say the wolf is breaking the spirit here by wasting everyone's times and not just conceding. Yet another reason town should just use the mech win to put them in their place and get them to concede.
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    How are you all talking about the "ethics" of solving the game. This isn't some exploit. This setup is a Blackflag Nightless variant (7 town vs 3 wolves with no factional kill)

    And in Blackflag Nightless mafia automatically loses if they're reduced to 1 member. Mafia is supposed to have automatically lost here under the original setup's rules. And all while town hasn't lose a single member!

    And It's not like we're working to break the setup from day 1 - in fact it's not even possible to break the setup from day 1 - I provided balance feedback to Auwt in order to help make sure that such setup-breaking-shenanigans from day 1 were impossible - and Auwt did a very good job of making sure that such shenanigans were not possible from day 1.

    What we're doing is wrapping up a game that should just be counted as a win for town. We're solving the setup from a day 3 position, where we've killed two wolves already. This is actually pretty much the only situation where you can just mech win the setup because you have enough town alive to churn through while you generate your mech confirmed slots. If it were day 4 and we mischopped a town, we couldn't mech solve the setup - we wouldn't have enough people.

    There's no "breaking the spirit of mafia" we had that days 1 and 2, and town won. So now town should just wrap up this game with the easy mech solve, and anyone advocating against it is playing against their wincon in my opinion.


    This whole "let's give wolves a sporting chance to win this game still" is mind-boggling to me - they had their chance, and they got chopped days 1 and 2. The game should be over, why is there so much opposition to just ending it?
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    The most compelling point against the plan though is that who knows what the heck WrathCyber will do
    Ditto for SuperJack based on the way he's played this game.
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    SuperJack is howling. But when I am presented with a 99% chance of victory, and a 100% chance of victory. I take the 100% chance, even if it requires a grind.
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    And because the plan is so clear cut, you can just turbo through the day phases with minimal discussion - just to coordinate who you send tokens to
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    The plan at its core isn't even that complicated when boiled down to its essence:
    Kill off MM + Gikkle, during that time build up enough tokens on OliLag, LightHack, and MartinBomber so all three slots can ascend

    If anyone dies it clears the 3 low token slots
    If no one dies, then flip each of the ascended slots while dumping tokens on a confirmed town slot.
    End up with 3 confirmed town and the wolf having no KP, just chop the PoE - or win along the way by rooting out a deep wolf.

    There are some tactical considerations around a wolf's use of Glue + Luck. But the "can only use an item once per game" restriction saves us as only one of our dual slots can be glued, and when a dual slot is glued, loldebite is cleared, so a 1 confirmed for 1 confirmed trade, leading to the same lock win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    No That Incorrect.. It Just Takes To Damn Long.. Not Every Game Needs A Big Brain Plan... Like I Said You Are The Deep Wolf From My Perspective... Also PQ Is Opposed Also Because It Takes 2 Damn Long..
    It takes 4 IRL days.

    If SuperJack isn't a wolf, we'll be here for at least another 3 days, and if there is a deep wolf we're going to see SuperJack flip on the 20th, then we'll see a WrathCyber flip on the 23rd, then we'll see a loldebite flip on the 26th with 5 players left at that point, could easily come down to a final 3, F5 would start on the 27th, F4 would start on the 30th, F3 would start on the 3rd of December, the game might not end until the 5th of December.

    With my plan, we turbo MM and coordinate tokens, he flips on the 20th, then turbo Gikkle on the 21st, then Turbo one ascended pair on the 22nd, then turbo another pair on the 23rd, turbo another on the 24th, and then by that point the game is over - the wolf has no path to victory and Auwt calls it for town.

    My plan ends the game on the 24th, your plan could have the game last until December 5th, looks like you're the one trying to keep us here for "2 Damn Long"
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    La revolution is here!

    -vote Lag


    Down with Lag! Vote for fun.
    Why are you not in support of a plan when the alternative is you literally just dying today?
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    The fact that PQ is opposed to the plan is actually very AI, PQ loves complicated plans that guarantee victory. Only reason I can see him rejecting such a plan is if the plan doesn't guarantee him victory
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Yeah No Thanks I Like I Said Aint Got Time For Your Plan... Sorry Not Sorry.. It Ends Today If SJ Is Scum.. Why Delay It.. This Plan Seems Anti Town At This Point And Pro Scum..
    How is guaranteeing a win for town "anti-town"

    Are you afraid that you won't be able to deep-wolf to a win now?
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    With the auto-win plan the game doesn't last until Thanksgiving, we can just turbo the days, end day 3 today, end day 4 at roughly +24 hours, end day 5 at roughly +48 hours, end day 6 at roughly +72 hours, and end day 7 at roughly +96 hours - game ends sooner with the auto-win strategy than by playing drawn out days unless we eliminate correctly today
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Once Town Ascends They Can No Longer Receive Tokens
    They cannot receive tokens, but you can still send them tokens as a way to just throw them away
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    The obvious downside to this plan is that SuperJack has stated he plans to be actively anti-town, and is probably just a wolf lolcatting.

    And WrathCyber is an actual potato
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    The plan hinges on the fact that if the wolf is denied any tokens at all, then two confirmed town beat them. If the wolf can get enough tokens to kill someone, then 3 confirmed town win, if the wolf can get enough tokens to kill AND ascend, then 4 confirmed town win - but we make sure we don't allow time for that thanks to the one item per night restriction.


    During days 3 and 4 we chop MM and Gikkle. This is to reduce the pool of players with enough tokens to use the kill action. Because all of Wrath + SJ + Loldebite can never get enough tokens to use a kill action, we know that if a kill ever happens, then all three of them are cleared - which is likely enough to just win the game immediately. Chop through the slots that could have possibly done the kill - prioritize chopping ascended slots. And wolves get boxed. Meaning the wolves cannot kill anyone without clearing too many players.

    Send enough tokens to two of OliLag/MartinBomber/LightHack tonight so that two of the pairs can ascend come night 4.

    The most failed ascensions that can happen due to glue is 1. Because you can only buy glue once. If there are two failed ascensions then one of those slots has to be a wolf lying about being glued. Ascended souls have their shops reset though, which is why if there is a failed ascension at first, you immediately chop one of the freshly ascended souls to confirm they are town. If there is no failed ascensions then come day 5 there will be 4 ascended slots, one dual slot with 6 tokens ready to ascend and three other slots that have received only 0 or 1 token.

    Of course if at any point in time any one dies at night, then all of those 0/1 token slots are cleared.

    So on day 5, you chop one of the ascended slots in order to create 1 confirmed town. Then at night everyone dumps their tokens on that slot to starve wolves of tokens, the third dual slot ascends, and you can chop half of it for two confirmed slots. Then finally chop the third ascended slot for three confirmed slots. If the wolves are in the starved slots, they will not have received enough tokens to ascend or kill, so we can just chop through them to win. If the wolves are in the ascended slots - well, then we immediately find them as we chop through the ascended slots.


    Questions?
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    Alright, yep, this plan to automatically win checks out. It's very complicated though and has a lot of branching paths
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    No one hammer I just figured out how town can mech lock this game, wolf should actually just concede now

    -vote unvote
    to be extra safe
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    @Gikkle
    @Loldebite
    @Marshmallow Marshall
    @Light_Yagami
    @WrathCyber
    @MartinGG99
    @SuperJack
    @PQRnHack
    @Stealthbomber16

    It is important to not give any more tokens to any of (Loldebite, SuperJack, WrathCyber)

    If someone dies then these three would be cleared of having done the kill because even as a wolf with double tokens, they won't have enough tokens to perform a kill and they would be instantly cleared.

    It is important for town to not use the kill ability. It's better to just ascend.


    I think it is worth it for town to coordinate their tokens so that we get two of our double slots to 6 tokens tonight so that they may both ascend tomorrow night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Please See Here For What SuperJack Said Previously After What Loldebite Said.. Thanks..
    SuperJack could have just missed the feedback, no one is going to hardclaim a lie today
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    @SuperJack how many tokens did you receive last night?
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    MM claimed to have received 2 tokens, so presumably

    @WrathCyber sent his token to MM

    Which means the token totals are:
    OliLag - 3 tokens
    MartinBomber - 3 tokens
    LightHack - 3 tokens
    Gikkle - 3 tokens
    MM - 3 tokens
    Wrath - 1 token
    SJ - 1 token
    Loldebite - 0 tokens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    @WrathCyber Who Did You Give Your Token To?
    You still need to claim who you sent your token to, Wrath is AWOL, there's no reason to hold out on claiming
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    Also, while I do think Gikkle is town, I'd advise tokens be sent to
    OliLag / MartinBomber/ LightHack
    The dual slots are impossible to kill without creating a confirmed town that cannot be killed in the process (items can only be used once per slot)
    The dual slots also can be checked at a much lower risk if we're worried about a deep wolf

    @Gikkle
    @Loldebite
    @Marshmallow Marshall
    @Light_Yagami
    @WrathCyber
    @MartinGG99
    @SuperJack
    @PQRnHack
    @Stealthbomber16

    Pinging everyone for this so that we don't have any lame "I didn't read the thread!" Excuses tomorrow
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    Day 2 actually is super alignment indicative, because for more than half of the first day, Ozy just sat at 2 votes with SuperJack voting offwagon - an absolute abundance of time for the third wolf to come along and try to get some momentum off of Ozy. After all, if SJ is town, then Ozy + the other wolf just makes someone else have 3 votes and be the leading wagon instead.

    The fact that this didn't happen further reinforces that we're dealing with either SuperJack as wolf, the third wolf is a very low impact player (e.g Wrath), or there's a deep wolf. Deep wolf seems unlikely though, you go deep by bussing day 1 and then using town-cred to get a series of mischops. You do not go deep by bussing days 1 and 2 and just crossing your fingers and hoping for a win.
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    I also think that off the back of SuperJack's efforts to scumpaint oliver, it clears LightHack as town, he had an opportunity to tie the wagons at 2-2 handed to him on a platter but instead he turned it down and voted the wolf instead.

    These people are just town here:
    Lag
    MartinBomber
    LightHack
    Gikkle
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    At the very least, stop giving SJ tokens, that slot never gets token in this position.
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    I agree that Wrath's total disappearance is suspicious here as well since if he's wolf he's basically 100% lost and has little reason to keep playing. But also it's kind of in-character for Wrath to just go AWOL like this, so IMO it's more NAI.

    The reason SJ is the vote today over Wrath is because, ask yourself this question:
    Does Wrath ever deep wolf all the way to a F3 and then not get voted off? Since he's certainly not getting any tokens this game with his playstyle, meaning the only path to victory is through F3.


    If SJ flips town then, sure flip Wrath tomorrow.

    I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that I think a deepwolf is more likely than loldebite wolf. If I'm wrong there, I can feel silly for it after the game, but gut read, his WIM has been basically the inverse of what I'd expect a wolf to have here.
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    The fact that people are reading SJ as town solely on the basis of tonal reasons is also kind of funny because SJ isn't some FM novice, he's experienced enough that he should be able to appear tonally townie even as wolf
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I sorta ment tell me what happened in d1. Like the events cause I haven't read it all yet. Just bits here n there lol. Like how did the day end in a draw?
    There are currently two votes on Ozy right here.

    From a wolf perspective, you cannot let your last teammate go over, so given the knowledge that Ozy flipped wolf, this seems like a very weird leading question to be asking. This has been a relatively low activity game, why didn't he just read EoD if he wanted to know? Well, because he didn't just want to know, he wanted to start a conversation about it.


    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Lol. Go on, your arguement on why I'm scum? Other than herp derp low activity.
    Discredit players making scum reads on the basis that they are low activity slots. Exactly what a wolf needs to do when both of the remaining wolves are low activity slots.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    So. Because EOD was quiet (in a game Pg multiple low activity players) they used that as a reason to cause a draw? (And in effect votes weren't stale)
    The context of a wolf teammate sitting at two votes this reads very differently - attempting to cast suspicion elsewhere without committing to a vote. Could it be town that just has genuine doubts? Sure, but it's just >rand wolf play here.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Uff. So the person who is the main cause for misery not being yeeted is the same person calling out light as having TMI if misery is scum?
    More of the shade, needling oliver, trying to cast suspicion off of Ozy. It's especially a bad look because if SuperJack read end of day he should have been able to recognize the dynamics of the EoD play and how they benefitted town. His omission of this could be just an oblivious town. But again, it's >rand wolf, and there are a lot of such >rand wolf posts that are piling up here.

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    -vote OzyWho
    SuperJack's efforts basically died here as well, as Ozy sitting at 3 votes now with a near guarantee that my Oliver's vote was going to land on Ozy as well - he only had 3 more posts in the thread at all before EoD



    And now his posts today are just about as low effort as they come, which is about what you'd expect from a wolf in this position.


    This slot's a wolf
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    @Gikkle
    @Light_Yagami
    @WrathCyber

    claim who you sent your tokens to please
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    "Spreading out the tokens" is anti-town play

    I'm not sure if loldebite did it on purpose, but it's very beneficial to have roughly half the players with tokens and half the players without - that way if someone tries to ascend but claims they were glued, it clears half the player list since they have no tokens.

    By giving a singular token to someone you put them into the pool of people that could have potentially glued someone to stop an ascension attempt.
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    I don't think the discrepancies on token counts is AI, they should be resolved before EoD, but no wolf is going to intentionally lie about how many tokens they got/sent here, meaning it's a genuine mistake, and that kind of mistake is just NAI
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Going to steal this style from Lag.


    Lag/Oli

    I think this slot is particularly clear because of not only EoD1 (poking me to tie wagons with Varcron/Ozy and Mizery being woofs), but also their handling of me in D1 seemed to be largely good. Not impossible to replicate, but to replicate it would need a decently high skill level imo. At first on D2 I was a bit suspicious of how Oli interacted with SJ (namely the outburst) but after discussing it with SB16 we came to the conclusion that Oli's outburst was town-indicative rather than wolf-indicative.

    Gikkle

    I think this slot is very likely clear. I don't really have a solid, high-confidence read on them outside of voting. However, I do believe their vote on Varcron at EoD was very unlikely to have been done by !wolf Gikkle or many other wolves for that matter. Additionally, I think #281 is a very good look now given the EoD1 wagons were w/w.

    Loldebite

    Posts are more or less okay, but given the relative towniness of other slots SB and I have them in PoE. I had to laugh at their "slight TR, seems to be actually trying" read of my slot. Seems like the sort of description I would not use if I were a wolf providing a read on a relatively high-posting player.

    Marshmallow Marshall

    Personally I read this slot as being preety good. Not clear, but close to it. SB might view them a bit less than I do, but I feel like they're overall good. Yesterday we got a heart attack wondering if #527 was borderline TMI'ing Ozy as town. However, I thought #307 was quite good because the last 2 lines were cheerful in a way that I think most wolves would have difficulty replicating on a day where one wolf is dead and the other they are currently voting to death. It's one thing to appear solving and secretly bussing a partner, its another to express cheerfulness during crisis management.

    Light/PQR

    This is probably the opposite in the sense that Stealth reads them higher than I do, though we both read Light/PQR as being some level of town. However, I can see and understand where Stealth is coming from on this matter so I trust the validity of his opinion on it. Paraphrasing his words, he viewed them as more or less as equally clear to Marshmallow Marshall. Not sure if Stealth would like me to share his thoughts, so I'm keeping quiet about it here.

    WrathCyber

    Not much going for this guy. Also I misspelled his name.

    -vote WrathCyber


    What strikes me most is that their very first post is about a 4 day weekend but they have so few posts and disappeared on the 2nd day phase.

    SuperJack

    This slot has had good tone and decent play which evoked past experiences of !town SJ for me. However, there isn't much clearing about them when considering the wolf flips and additionally I haven't really played with !wolf them so its possible they could be fooling me. Which leaves them in the PoE, probably after loldebite and WrathCyber.
    I agree with many of these thoughts, disagree on Wrath + SJ though, but either way my PoE is still (SuperJack, Wrath, Loldebite)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Why Wrath When They Voted Mizery Who Was Scum?

    Id Say Higher Suspects Are SuperJack Loldebite And Gikkle

    Loldebite Has Been Quite Absent In General... Could Be Low Effort Town Or Lurking In Wait Scum..

    Super Jack And Gikkle Could Have Both Voted To Finish Off Oxy Who Was Also Scum.. Granted Gikkle Did Vote On Ozys Slot Near End Of Day 1..

    However SuperJack Has Been Consistently Avoiding Voting Scum Slots..
    Gikkle was the one that led the Varcron counter wagon on day 1, it would be very dubious wolf play to do such a thing since it immediately put Varcron/Ozy under scrutiny on day 2.

    I agree that SuperJack has loads of wolf equity, loldebite feels townier from a gut read, but I've not actually had the chance to interact with him directly yet this game, so we'll see.

    Also how many tokens did you get and who did you send to?
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