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[QUOTE=Lag;948847]I mean no offense when I say this. And I agree the process to US citizenship is bullshit. But that test is ridiculously easy and doesn't even rank in the top 20 biggest obstacles to obtaining US citizenship

You get asked 10 questions out of [URL="https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/questions-and-answers/100q.pdf"]a list of 100 questions, which are available online for all to read.[/URL]

You only need to get[I] 6 out of 10[/I] correct.

And the questions are already extremely easy for anyone that's lived in the US with stumpers such as:

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]What is one right or freedom from the First Amendment?[/B] [/COLOR]
(Who doesn't know the good 'ol Free Speech amendment?)

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]Name one branch or part of the government.[/B][/COLOR]
(Who doesn't know what [I]Congress[/I] is?)

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]Who is in charge of the executive branch?[/B][/COLOR]
(President? I thought we were a monarchy!)

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]We elect a President for how many years?[/B][/COLOR]
(4 Years? But Trump assured me he would be elected for life!)

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]What is the name of the President of the United States now?[/B][/COLOR]
(<Insert Stolen Election Joke Here>)

[B][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Some additional head scratchers for your perusal:[/COLOR][/B]
[B]What is the name of the Vice President of the United States now?[/B]
[B]If the President can no longer serve, who becomes President?[/B]
[B]What is the highest court in the United States?[/B]
[B]What is the capital of your state?[/B]
[B]How old do citizens have to be to vote for President?[/B]
[B]Who lived in America before the Europeans arrived?[/B]
[B]When was the Declaration of Independence adopted?[/B]
[B]Who was the first President?[/B]
[B]Name one war fought by the United States in the 1900s[/B]
[B]Name one American Indian tribe in the United States[/B]
[B]Name one state that borders Canada.[/B]
[B]Name one state that borders Mexico.[/B]
[B]What is the capital of the United States?[/B]
[B]Why does the flag have 50 stars?[/B]
[B]When do we celebrate Independence Day?[/B]

Admittedly these are some of the easier questions, but none of the questions are really [I]that[/I] difficult. And as long as you don't get like half of the questions wrong, you still pass.

So unless your professor purposefully picked out [I]only[/I] the trickier questions (but even then the tricky questions are not very difficult) and didn't tell you that you pass with a 60%, then what you [I]probably[/I] took given that it was a civics class was one of those "literacy" tests that were around in the south in the 1890s-1960s period that were designed to disenfranchise black voters.[/QUOTE]

That might be correct, honestly. I've forgotten.

What's sad is that I know several people who couldn't answer some of those questions.

Originally Posted by Lag

I mean no offense when I say this. And I agree the process to US citizenship is bullshit. But that test is ridiculously easy and doesn't even rank in the top 20 biggest obstacles to obtaining US citizenship

You get asked 10 questions out of a list of 100 questions, which are available online for all to read.

You only need to get 6 out of 10 correct.

And the questions are already extremely easy for anyone that's lived in the US with stumpers such as:

What is one right or freedom from the First Amendment?
(Who doesn't know the good 'ol Free Speech amendment?)

Name one branch or part of the government.
(Who doesn't know what Congress is?)

Who is in charge of the executive branch?
(President? I thought we were a monarchy!)

We elect a President for how many years?
(4 Years? But Trump assured me he would be elected for life!)

What is the name of the President of the United States now?
()

Some additional head scratchers for your perusal:
What is the name of the Vice President of the United States now?
If the President can no longer serve, who becomes President?
What is the highest court in the United States?
What is the capital of your state?
How old do citizens have to be to vote for President?
Who lived in America before the Europeans arrived?
When was the Declaration of Independence adopted?
Who was the first President?
Name one war fought by the United States in the 1900s
Name one American Indian tribe in the United States
Name one state that borders Canada.
Name one state that borders Mexico.
What is the capital of the United States?
Why does the flag have 50 stars?
When do we celebrate Independence Day?

Admittedly these are some of the easier questions, but none of the questions are really that difficult. And as long as you don't get like half of the questions wrong, you still pass.

So unless your professor purposefully picked out only the trickier questions (but even then the tricky questions are not very difficult) and didn't tell you that you pass with a 60%, then what you probably took given that it was a civics class was one of those "literacy" tests that were around in the south in the 1890s-1960s period that were designed to disenfranchise black voters.

That might be correct, honestly. I've forgotten.

What's sad is that I know several people who couldn't answer some of those questions.

[QUOTE=Helz;948840]Agreed.

I do feel like the voiced position of 'American citizenship needs reform' should be placed in context with other countries citizenship though. Its a relative question to say if 'this location is being unreasonable' and I have never herd about anyone calling out Dubai having some 500k a year minimum income requirement to become a citizen. If we are just about equality shouldn't we be advocating to allow all the poor people in India into Dubai? (Someone is going to pick up on the unspoken joke there)

On the just dunking on America page I have no clue about that financial requirement and I have worked with quite a few immigrants as the got their citizenship through the oil field, construction and general business in the south. Maybe its new? I just duno. The thing I always talked shit about though was all the weird shit required to be an American. They had to memorize all sorts of stuff I had no idea about and I lived here a large portion of my life. I had this driller I worked with named Chris who was born in Mexico but lived in America sense he was some months old and was more American than I was in many ways but when he was working on his practice test every third question I had no fucking clue what the answer was.
Just saying.. I duno about the 1k nonsense but when citizens of a country can not pass the requirements to become a citizen of their own country somethings kinda fucked up. (although again I don't think its fair to act like America is the worst or even unreasonably dicks about their process when you look at country's of wealth)[/QUOTE]

Yeah in my political science class we took a citizenship test as a class and with the 13 of us (summer course) we didn’t even pass. That test is bullshit.

I disagree with your point about it requiring context. I think the Dubai requirements are bullshit, just as I think the American requirements are bullshit. I will still have a stronger opinion about the American requirements because it’s the country that I live in. I can vote on representatives to make legislature about citizenship reform. I can’t do that in Dubai. My voice on that opinion actively doesn’t matter so I do not care to voice it.

Originally Posted by Helz

Agreed.

I do feel like the voiced position of 'American citizenship needs reform' should be placed in context with other countries citizenship though. Its a relative question to say if 'this location is being unreasonable' and I have never herd about anyone calling out Dubai having some 500k a year minimum income requirement to become a citizen. If we are just about equality shouldn't we be advocating to allow all the poor people in India into Dubai? (Someone is going to pick up on the unspoken joke there)

On the just dunking on America page I have no clue about that financial requirement and I have worked with quite a few immigrants as the got their citizenship through the oil field, construction and general business in the south. Maybe its new? I just duno. The thing I always talked shit about though was all the weird shit required to be an American. They had to memorize all sorts of stuff I had no idea about and I lived here a large portion of my life. I had this driller I worked with named Chris who was born in Mexico but lived in America sense he was some months old and was more American than I was in many ways but when he was working on his practice test every third question I had no fucking clue what the answer was.
Just saying.. I duno about the 1k nonsense but when citizens of a country can not pass the requirements to become a citizen of their own country somethings kinda fucked up. (although again I don't think its fair to act like America is the worst or even unreasonably dicks about their process when you look at country's of wealth)

Yeah in my political science class we took a citizenship test as a class and with the 13 of us (summer course) we didn’t even pass. That test is bullshit.

I disagree with your point about it requiring context. I think the Dubai requirements are bullshit, just as I think the American requirements are bullshit. I will still have a stronger opinion about the American requirements because it’s the country that I live in. I can vote on representatives to make legislature about citizenship reform. I can’t do that in Dubai. My voice on that opinion actively doesn’t matter so I do not care to voice it.

[QUOTE=Helz;948831]Its worth looking at the citizenship requirements of other countries when speaking about Americas problems.

My buddy has been working on becoming a citizen in Mexico for over 10 years and having hell. He only wants to because his land holdings will revert to the government when he dies and only citizens can pass stuff down to their children.

Not saying its not terrible but people act like America's process is so terrible while the rest of the worlds is so great.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying everywhere else is great. I'm saying that locking down citizenship behind a paywall for a college student is stupid. It would be stupid in another country too.

Originally Posted by Helz

Its worth looking at the citizenship requirements of other countries when speaking about Americas problems.

My buddy has been working on becoming a citizen in Mexico for over 10 years and having hell. He only wants to because his land holdings will revert to the government when he dies and only citizens can pass stuff down to their children.

Not saying its not terrible but people act like America's process is so terrible while the rest of the worlds is so great.

I'm not saying everywhere else is great. I'm saying that locking down citizenship behind a paywall for a college student is stupid. It would be stupid in another country too.

It also costs $1000 to become a US citizen, something that one of my classmates is dealing with currently.

It also costs $1000 to become a US citizen, something that one of my classmates is dealing with currently.