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[QUOTE=Tominorobo;973380]According to US tax laws, American citizens and green card holders are required to file taxes every year, regardless of where they live or where they earn their income.[/QUOTE]

[center][B][U][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=7][class=fire]ARISE, THREAD LONG DEAD! Haunt the forums from which thou were created.[/class][/SIZE][/FONT][/U][/B][/center]

Unless what Lumi said is a blatant lie, which I very strongly doubt, it seems it's really just an anti-millionaire tax evasion measure, whereas normal people don't have to pay taxes abroad, so America is actually not that trash. On that point, at least.

Also, how did you get here? I've never seen you around ^^

Originally Posted by Tominorobo

According to US tax laws, American citizens and green card holders are required to file taxes every year, regardless of where they live or where they earn their income.

ARISE, THREAD LONG DEAD! Haunt the forums from which thou were created.

Unless what Lumi said is a blatant lie, which I very strongly doubt, it seems it's really just an anti-millionaire tax evasion measure, whereas normal people don't have to pay taxes abroad, so America is actually not that trash. On that point, at least.

Also, how did you get here? I've never seen you around ^^

This was slightly lost in the sands of time, but I have given the awards to the winners!

3rd place: [MENTION=27614]Mike[/MENTION]
2nd place: [MENTION=34329]Frinckles[/MENTION]
1st place: [MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]

[SPOILER=My current behavior][IMG]https://i2.wp.com/www.thebarbedwiresatire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2eee1-e1484114115388.jpg[/IMG]
[SIZE=1]shamelessly stolen from Lumi[/SIZE][/SPOILER]

Congratulations to them (us?), and thanks for participating in games that were overall of quite admirable quality in general!


As for the Ladder's formula, improvement ideas are always welcome; if you wish to share some, go ahead!

This was slightly lost in the sands of time, but I have given the awards to the winners!

3rd place: @Mike
2nd place: @Frinckles
1st place: @Marshmallow Marshall

Spoiler : My current behavior :

shamelessly stolen from Lumi

Congratulations to them (us?), and thanks for participating in games that were overall of quite admirable quality in general!


As for the Ladder's formula, improvement ideas are always welcome; if you wish to share some, go ahead!

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;973320]Tbh, my family doesn't really pay attention to new year except "oh". Back on the 31st we thought to get some fast food for dinner only to realize everything was closed early. At first I was personally confused because Christmas was just a short while ago and that was like the only thing fast food places around here close early for, and also I hadn't realized it was the last day of the year.

So....happy new year for those who celebrate it?[/QUOTE]

this tbh

Glad to see I am not alone xD

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Tbh, my family doesn't really pay attention to new year except "oh". Back on the 31st we thought to get some fast food for dinner only to realize everything was closed early. At first I was personally confused because Christmas was just a short while ago and that was like the only thing fast food places around here close early for, and also I hadn't realized it was the last day of the year.

So....happy new year for those who celebrate it?

this tbh

Glad to see I am not alone xD

It's just that we are all secretly Chinese, so to us, the new year hasn't begun yet (or it has begun very early, depending on how you see things).

It's just that we are all secretly Chinese, so to us, the new year hasn't begun yet (or it has begun very early, depending on how you see things).

[QUOTE=Trout;973285]Please don't

-Preheat your oven to 180°C/350°F/gas 4.
-Peel an onion and finely slice with the tomatoes and lemon.
-Roughly chop some dill and parsley (stalks and all).
-Drizzle a large baking tray with oil, scatter over a third of the sliced tomato, lemon and herbs.
-Season my cavity and skin with sea salt and black pepper.
-Stuff my cavity with another third of the sliced tomato, lemon and herbs, then scatter the remaining third over the top – arranging a few tomatoes around the fish. Dot with butter, then drizzle all over with 2 tablespoons of oil and a twist of black pepper.
-Roast me for 25 minutes, or until just cooked through.
-Serve me with samphire.[/QUOTE]

You sound truly delicious. Perhaps I should... [I]invite[/I] you for the New Year? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Trout

Please don't

-Preheat your oven to 180°C/350°F/gas 4.
-Peel an onion and finely slice with the tomatoes and lemon.
-Roughly chop some dill and parsley (stalks and all).
-Drizzle a large baking tray with oil, scatter over a third of the sliced tomato, lemon and herbs.
-Season my cavity and skin with sea salt and black pepper.
-Stuff my cavity with another third of the sliced tomato, lemon and herbs, then scatter the remaining third over the top – arranging a few tomatoes around the fish. Dot with butter, then drizzle all over with 2 tablespoons of oil and a twist of black pepper.
-Roast me for 25 minutes, or until just cooked through.
-Serve me with samphire.

You sound truly delicious. Perhaps I should... invite you for the New Year?

[QUOTE=DJarJar;973283]Merry bestmas[/QUOTE]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

timetostop

Originally Posted by DJarJar

Merry bestmas

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Merry Christmas to y'all :)

may santa not give you too much coal

Merry Christmas to y'all

may santa not give you too much coal

[QUOTE=Aero;973111]I hope everyone has been doing well! It has taken us 3 years, but I finally managed to counterclaim Marshmallow's lw.

[I]They are both staff.[/I]

Disproven and counterclaimed!

Anyway, came back recently and played a few games, you guys made some fantastic changes. I was delighted to discover Mafia 2.0 (did not even know that was in the works)! Really interesting new roles, awesome work @Frinkles and team! (Although I will always be heartbroken over the removal of NI option for Executioner - there is nothing quite like getting an early win condition satisfied then spending the entire rest of the game tormenting the entire lobby with zero consequences...)

GGs ♥

Edit: A missing bracket.[/QUOTE]

Damn, you got me, after 3 years. Congratulations :P

and welcome back!

Originally Posted by Aero

I hope everyone has been doing well! It has taken us 3 years, but I finally managed to counterclaim Marshmallow's lw.

They are both staff.

Disproven and counterclaimed!

Anyway, came back recently and played a few games, you guys made some fantastic changes. I was delighted to discover Mafia 2.0 (did not even know that was in the works)! Really interesting new roles, awesome work @Frinkles and team! (Although I will always be heartbroken over the removal of NI option for Executioner - there is nothing quite like getting an early win condition satisfied then spending the entire rest of the game tormenting the entire lobby with zero consequences...)

GGs ♥

Edit: A missing bracket.

Damn, you got me, after 3 years. Congratulations :P

and welcome back!

[QUOTE=Trout;972831]I don't sea what you mean[/QUOTE]

I like you very much already.

[SIZE=1]Especially with tartar sauce.[/SIZE]

Originally Posted by Trout

I don't sea what you mean

I like you very much already.

Especially with tartar sauce.

[QUOTE=Trout;972804]/sign[/QUOTE]

Hmm, there is something [I]fishy[/I] with this slot...

hi :)

Originally Posted by Trout

/sign

Hmm, there is something fishy with this slot...

hi

[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] I believe you wanted to get in a game ^^ this is a nightless game, so you should be thoroughly satisfied with constant action

@ikarusdk I believe you wanted to get in a game ^^ this is a nightless game, so you should be thoroughly satisfied with constant action

I'm too lazy to sign up, so I'll only [B]/reserve[/B] for now - might change later or if necessary

I'm too lazy to sign up, so I'll only /reserve for now - might change later or if necessary

:charmander:

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;972685][s]too late you didn't rescind your summoning so you gotta run it again[/s][/QUOTE]

God no, my lifestyle really doesn't give me enough guarantees that I can be online for long enough at specific times to host, and the game kinda proved that to me xD. Special thanks to [MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION] for helping out with that, by the way.

Besides, Priests can cast Dispel Magic to deal damage to summons...

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

too late you didn't rescind your summoning so you gotta run it again

God no, my lifestyle really doesn't give me enough guarantees that I can be online for long enough at specific times to host, and the game kinda proved that to me xD. Special thanks to @Loldebite for helping out with that, by the way.

Besides, Priests can cast Dispel Magic to deal damage to summons...

[QUOTE=Frinckles;972682]I'm on vacation[/QUOTE]

HE IS ALIVE :O


[s]the game ended btw[/s]

Originally Posted by Frinckles

I'm on vacation

HE IS ALIVE


the game ended btw

Permanent link to dead chat: [url]https://discord.gg/AantfgfZMf[/url]

[l]99[/l]


Overall, this game had a high enough skill level, and it was entertaining to watch. Kudos to Ikarus for having such a great first FM game, and to Yayap for lasting so long after losing his teammate on D1. GG!

Permanent link to dead chat: https://discord.gg/AantfgfZMf

99 votes to hammer.


Overall, this game had a high enough skill level, and it was entertaining to watch. Kudos to Ikarus for having such a great first FM game, and to Yayap for lasting so long after losing his teammate on D1. GG!

[QUOTE=Yayap;972671]Time to see if the host is punctual...

DRAW![/QUOTE]

[center][SIZE=7][class="light"]You dare question my power, mortal?[/class][/SIZE]

[IMG]https://www.pixelstalk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Deathwing-Background-1920x1080.jpg[/IMG][/center]

Originally Posted by Yayap

Time to see if the host is punctual...

DRAW!

You dare question my power, mortal?

[CENTER][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=7][class=rassilon][B][I]S-FM Warcraft[/I][/B][/class][/SIZE][/FONT]


[SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua][B]Yayap was lynched. He was a [COLOR="#AFCC00"]Blademaster[/COLOR].[/B][/FONT][/SIZE]

[FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=5][COLOR="#800080"][B]End of Game[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Book Antiqua][video=youtube;dWiQKaNULl8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWiQKaNULl8[/video]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWiQKaNULl8[/url] in case the video link doesn't work for you[/FONT]

[FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=5][B][class="brunp"]The Blademasters are no more. The Alliance has prevailed. Glory to the Alliance!
Congratulations to [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION], [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION], [MENTION=45793]luona[/MENTION], [MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION], [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION], and [MENTION=46017]Guillo[/MENTION]![/class][/B][/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48192-S-FM-Warcraft-(8P)?p=918686&viewfull=1#post918686"]Setup Link[/URL]

[table="width: 500, align: center, class: grid"]
[tr]
[td][B]Player[/B][/td]
[td][B]Role flip[/B][/td]
[td][B]Status[/B][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [s] [MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION][/s] [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45793]luona[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#AFCC00"]Blademaster[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] (shadow archon with [MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION])[/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Priest[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=46017]Guillo[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Friendly Soldier[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=9360]Yayap[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#AFCC00"]Apprentice -> Blademaster[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

[resetcount][/resetcount]

[/FONT][/SIZE][/CENTER]

S-FM Warcraft


Yayap was lynched. He was a Blademaster.

End of Game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWiQKaNULl8 in case the video link doesn't work for you

The Blademasters are no more. The Alliance has prevailed. Glory to the Alliance!
Congratulations to @Helz , @Mizery , @luona , @Stealthbomber16 , @ikarusdk , and @Guillo !

Setup Link

Player	Role flip	Status
@MartinGG99 @Helz	Footman	Dead
@Mizery	Footman	Alive
@luona	Footman	Dead
@oliverz144	Blademaster	Dead
@Stealthbomber16	Footman	Dead
@ikarusdk (shadow archon with @Lumi )	Priest	Dead
@Guillo	Friendly Soldier	Alive
@Yayap	Apprentice -> Blademaster	Dead

[QUOTE=Mizery;972668]wait is there a min post count req[/QUOTE]

[B][COLOR="#800080"]There is, but considering the circumstances, I can see you are all not AFK. You will [I]not [/I]be modkilled 1 minute before the end of the final day lol.[/COLOR][/B]

Originally Posted by Mizery

wait is there a min post count req

There is, but considering the circumstances, I can see you are all not AFK. You will not be modkilled 1 minute before the end of the final day lol.

[CENTER][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=7][class=rassilon][B][I]S-FM Warcraft[/I][/B][/class][/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua]EoD3 vote count:

Helz (3 [L-96]):
Mizery, Guillo, ikarusdk[/FONT][/SIZE]


[SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua][B]Helz has been lynched. They were a [COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR].[/B][/FONT][/SIZE]

[FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=5][COLOR="#800080"][B]Night 3[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Book Antiqua][video=youtube;ir8iLuzoxQ0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir8iLuzoxQ0[/video]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir8iLuzoxQ0[/url] in case the video link doesn't work for you
[SIZE=1]most appropriate soundtrack possible for a night[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48192-S-FM-Warcraft-(8P)?p=918686&viewfull=1#post918686"]Setup Link[/URL]


[table="width: 500, align: center, class: grid"]
[tr]
[td][B]Player[/B][/td]
[td][B]Role flip[/B][/td]
[td][B]Status[/B][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [s][MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION][/s] [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45793]luona[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#AFCC00"]Blademaster[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] (shadow hydra with [MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION])[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=46017]Guillo[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=9360]Yayap[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]


Countdown until the end of night 3
[COUNTDOWN]00:23:00:00[/COUNTDOWN]

Don't forget to send your night actions!

[resetcount][/resetcount]

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S-FM Warcraft

EoD3 vote count:

Helz (3 [L-96]):
Mizery, Guillo, ikarusdk


Helz has been lynched. They were a Footman.

Night 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir8iLuzoxQ0 in case the video link doesn't work for you
most appropriate soundtrack possible for a night

Setup Link

Player	Role flip	Status
@MartinGG99 @Helz	Footman	Dead
@Mizery		Alive
@luona	Footman	Dead
@oliverz144	Blademaster	Dead
@Stealthbomber16	Footman	Dead
@ikarusdk (shadow hydra with @Lumi )		Alive
@Guillo		Alive
@Yayap		Alive

Countdown until the end of night 3
[COUNTDOWN]00:23:00:00[/COUNTDOWN]

Don't forget to send your night actions!

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;972572]Guys, i woke up this morning to find my IP is apparently banned from the site, so I got no access from my pc. I'm using my phone on 4g atm.[/QUOTE]
[center]
[B][SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR="#800080"]For the sake of clarity: this issue is being investigated by staff right now and will be fixed as soon as possible. The ban is obviously not intended.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/center]

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Guys, i woke up this morning to find my IP is apparently banned from the site, so I got no access from my pc. I'm using my phone on 4g atm.

For the sake of clarity: this issue is being investigated by staff right now and will be fixed as soon as possible. The ban is obviously not intended.

[CENTER][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=7][class=rassilon][B][I]S-FM Warcraft[/I][/B][/class][/SIZE][/FONT]


[SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua][B]Stealthbomber16 was killed. He was a [COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR].[/B][/FONT][/SIZE]

[FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=5][COLOR="#800080"][B]Day 3[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Book Antiqua][video=youtube;fZWX7DdlDJw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZWX7DdlDJw[/video]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZWX7DdlDJw[/url] in case the video link doesn't work for you[/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48192-S-FM-Warcraft-(8P)?p=918686&viewfull=1#post918686"]Setup Link[/URL]


[table="width: 500, align: center, class: grid"]
[tr]
[td][B]Player[/B][/td]
[td][B]Role flip[/B][/td]
[td][B]Status[/B][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [s][MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION][/s] [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45793]luona[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#AFCC00"]Blademaster[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] (shadow hydra with [MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION])[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=46017]Guillo[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=9360]Yayap[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]



Countdown until the end of day 3
[COUNTDOWN]01:23:00:00[/COUNTDOWN]

[l]99[/l]
(plurality lynch only)

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S-FM Warcraft


Stealthbomber16 was killed. He was a Footman.

Day 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZWX7DdlDJw in case the video link doesn't work for you

Setup Link

Player	Role flip	Status
@MartinGG99 @Helz		Alive
@Mizery		Alive
@luona	Footman	Dead
@oliverz144	Blademaster	Dead
@Stealthbomber16	Footman	Dead
@ikarusdk (shadow hydra with @Lumi )		Alive
@Guillo		Alive
@Yayap		Alive

Countdown until the end of day 3
[COUNTDOWN]01:23:00:00[/COUNTDOWN]

99 votes to hammer.
(plurality lynch only)

[CENTER][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=7][class=rassilon][B][I]S-FM Warcraft[/I][/B][/class][/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua]EoD2 vote count:

luona (4 [L-95]):
Guillo, Stealthbomber16, Helz, ikarusdk

Mizery (1 [L-98]):
Yayap[/FONT][/SIZE]


[SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua][B]Luona has been lynched. She was a [COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR].[/B][/FONT][/SIZE]

[FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=5][COLOR="#800080"][B]Night 2[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Book Antiqua][video=youtube;n-vNMKBoiCM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vNMKBoiCM[/video]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vNMKBoiCM[/url] in case the video link doesn't work for you[/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48192-S-FM-Warcraft-(8P)?p=918686&viewfull=1#post918686"]Setup Link[/URL]


[table="width: 500, align: center, class: grid"]
[tr]
[td][B]Player[/B][/td]
[td][B]Role flip[/B][/td]
[td][B]Status[/B][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [s][MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION][/s] [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45793]luona[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#0000CD"]Footman[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#AFCC00"]Blademaster[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] (shadow hydra with [MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION])[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=46017]Guillo[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=9360]Yayap[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]


Countdown until the end of night 2
[COUNTDOWN]00:22:56:00[/COUNTDOWN]

Don't forget to send your night actions!

[resetcount][/resetcount]

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S-FM Warcraft

EoD2 vote count:

luona (4 [L-95]):
Guillo, Stealthbomber16, Helz, ikarusdk

Mizery (1 [L-98]):
Yayap


Luona has been lynched. She was a Footman.

Night 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vNMKBoiCM in case the video link doesn't work for you

Setup Link

Player	Role flip	Status
@MartinGG99 @Helz		Alive
@Mizery		Alive
@luona	Footman	Dead
@oliverz144	Blademaster	Dead
@Stealthbomber16		Alive
@ikarusdk (shadow hydra with @Lumi )		Alive
@Guillo		Alive
@Yayap		Alive

Countdown until the end of night 2
[COUNTDOWN]00:22:56:00[/COUNTDOWN]

Don't forget to send your night actions!

[COLOR="#800080"][B][SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua]By the way, since Discord seems to be down for the foreseeable future, if you need to communicate with me, you may use the PM system of the forums.

Edit: It's back up; no more issues![/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

By the way, since Discord seems to be down for the foreseeable future, if you need to communicate with me, you may use the PM system of the forums.

Edit: It's back up; no more issues!

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[td] [s][MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION][/s] [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
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[td] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
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[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45793]luona[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
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[td] [MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#AFCC00"]Blademaster[/COLOR][/td]
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[td] [MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] (shadow hydra with [MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION])[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=46017]Guillo[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=9360]Yayap[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
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Day 2

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Player	Role flip	Status
@MartinGG99 @Helz		Alive
@Mizery		Alive
@luona		Alive
@oliverz144	Blademaster	Dead
@Stealthbomber16		Alive
@ikarusdk (shadow hydra with @Lumi )		Alive
@Guillo		Alive
@Yayap		Alive

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oliverz144 (4 [L-95]):
Guillo, Yayap, Stealthbomber16, ikarusdk

Yayap (1 [L-98]):
oliverz144

MartinGG99 (1 [L-98]):
luona

luona (1 [L-98]):
Mizery[/FONT][/SIZE]


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[td] [s][MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION][/s] [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45793]luona[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION][/td]
[td][COLOR="#AFCC00"]Blademaster[/COLOR][/td]
[td]Dead[/td]
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[tr]
[td] [MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] (shadow hydra with [MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION])[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=46017]Guillo[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
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[td] [MENTION=9360]Yayap[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
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oliverz144 (4 [L-95]):
Guillo, Yayap, Stealthbomber16, ikarusdk

Yayap (1 [L-98]):
oliverz144

MartinGG99 (1 [L-98]):
luona

luona (1 [L-98]):
Mizery


Oliverz144 has been lynched. He was the Blademaster.

Night 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEV_dI_2d1w in case the video link doesn't work for you

Setup Link

Player	Role flip	Status
@MartinGG99 @Helz		Alive
@Mizery		Alive
@luona		Alive
@oliverz144	Blademaster	Dead
@Stealthbomber16		Alive
@ikarusdk (shadow hydra with @Lumi )		Alive
@Guillo		Alive
@Yayap		Alive

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[td][B]Player[/B][/td]
[td][B]Role flip[/B][/td]
[td][B]Status[/B][/td]
[/tr]
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[td] [s][MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION][/s] [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
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[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45793]luona[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
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[td] [MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] (shadow hydra with [MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION])[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=46017]Guillo[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td] [MENTION=9360]Yayap[/MENTION][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Alive[/td]
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(plurality lynch only)

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Day 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWH1KKOsoY in case the video link doesn't work for you
if you don't watch it, you're a soulless monster

Setup Link

Player	Role flip	Status
@MartinGG99 @Helz		Alive
@Mizery		Alive
@luona		Alive
@oliverz144		Alive
@Stealthbomber16		Alive
@ikarusdk (shadow hydra with @Lumi )		Alive
@Guillo		Alive
@Yayap		Alive

Countdown until the end of day 1
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99 votes to hammer.
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[QUOTE=HatMajor;971993]Great.

You make two interesting points and a strawman (redirected to rankings of physical/mental values from the intrinsic value of intelligence).
1) How can we classify 'mentally ill'? I agree, the classification is on the surface, broad.
2) The moral question.

It is possible for basic mental ability and intelligence to be measured via objective reasoning exams or similar. Granted, these tests are not microscopically precise, but they do grant the examiner enough top-down insight on basic mental ability. For the purposes of our filter, we can bar the examination threshold to a relatively low passing requirement, enough that it would give us the insight to identify individuals incapable of value production. This way, the false positives are reduced to a negligible/non-existent number, in exchange for a higher number of false negatives (call it the buffer). The specifics of this examination can debated and scientifically constructed through phases of research and expert opinion (psychologists, mental health professionals, etc).

The moral question is a tougher one to answer. We are animals after all, and resources are not unlimited. In the lens of a society, a non-producing agent who is [U]incapable[/U] of creating value is a liability and an unjustifiable expense on a society's balance sheet. These agents oftentimes occupy the upper percentiles of a theoretical value consumption chart; the expense is not only unjustified, but also excessive. You can call it psychopathic, callous, whatever it may be, but the math simply does not work out. We can follow 'moral values' that blindly deny the science and can lead to societal decay, or we can objectively observe value metrics and adjust to items that lead to societal growth.[/QUOTE]

I am not addressing all the possible objections to your posts, simply because they are legion lol, but just giving a few. I didn't even think of how you would measure who deserves to live and who doesn't because... that's a bloody horrible thought. The paragraph about it is actually entirely outside of the objections I had voiced, even though it absolutely brings up an issue - but I'd say that issue is secondary, because it implies we accept the premise that utilitarian murder is fine, which is ?!?!?!?!.
And now, I am just realizing you meant that measuring "mental ability", whatever that means, was meant to address [I]mental illness[/I]. Being dumb (because that is what you're referring to, apparently) is not a mental illness, as far as I know?


The moral question is the main element here, though. Two subdivisions to your answer:

- Why would... "supporting" disabled people (because that is what you seem to be saying, moreso than "mentally ill people") be an unjustifiable expense - according to which principles? What makes one's existence [I]justified[/I]? You cannot escape this question, especially not when you're making such dangerous statements.

- Science does not provide answers about what should be done. It does not tell you what "societal decay" is - religious people will say it is the decline of faith, Enlightenment folks will tell you it is about the lack of knowledge in society/humanity, others will say it is about global happiness, more will mention justice, and so on. [I]You need philosophy to do that.[/I] Science is merely a tool to achieve whatever goals your philosophy sets; it cannot set your goals by itself, because that's simply not its role: one cannot scientifically conclude that X [I]ought to be done[/I] over Y because it is a [I]better result[/I], because the concept of "better" is not verifiable in any empirical way. Saying that science tells us that X is better is a shorthand for "science tells us that if we want to attain goal A (for reasons that were previously established by means of philosophy), X is the way to go" - nothing more. If you want to say we [I]ought[/I] to do something, you NEED morality, i.e. something that tells you what is good in human actions and what isn't. You have a morality system underlying your statements, even if you don't call it that way, because you most definetly have a basis for your conception of what is good for society (be it right or wrong, you have one; else, you would not prefer any state of affairs to any other).

Originally Posted by HatMajor

Great.

You make two interesting points and a strawman (redirected to rankings of physical/mental values from the intrinsic value of intelligence).
1) How can we classify 'mentally ill'? I agree, the classification is on the surface, broad.
2) The moral question.

It is possible for basic mental ability and intelligence to be measured via objective reasoning exams or similar. Granted, these tests are not microscopically precise, but they do grant the examiner enough top-down insight on basic mental ability. For the purposes of our filter, we can bar the examination threshold to a relatively low passing requirement, enough that it would give us the insight to identify individuals incapable of value production. This way, the false positives are reduced to a negligible/non-existent number, in exchange for a higher number of false negatives (call it the buffer). The specifics of this examination can debated and scientifically constructed through phases of research and expert opinion (psychologists, mental health professionals, etc).

The moral question is a tougher one to answer. We are animals after all, and resources are not unlimited. In the lens of a society, a non-producing agent who is incapable of creating value is a liability and an unjustifiable expense on a society's balance sheet. These agents oftentimes occupy the upper percentiles of a theoretical value consumption chart; the expense is not only unjustified, but also excessive. You can call it psychopathic, callous, whatever it may be, but the math simply does not work out. We can follow 'moral values' that blindly deny the science and can lead to societal decay, or we can objectively observe value metrics and adjust to items that lead to societal growth.

I am not addressing all the possible objections to your posts, simply because they are legion lol, but just giving a few. I didn't even think of how you would measure who deserves to live and who doesn't because... that's a bloody horrible thought. The paragraph about it is actually entirely outside of the objections I had voiced, even though it absolutely brings up an issue - but I'd say that issue is secondary, because it implies we accept the premise that utilitarian murder is fine, which is ?!?!?!?!.
And now, I am just realizing you meant that measuring "mental ability", whatever that means, was meant to address mental illness. Being dumb (because that is what you're referring to, apparently) is not a mental illness, as far as I know?


The moral question is the main element here, though. Two subdivisions to your answer:

- Why would... "supporting" disabled people (because that is what you seem to be saying, moreso than "mentally ill people") be an unjustifiable expense - according to which principles? What makes one's existence justified? You cannot escape this question, especially not when you're making such dangerous statements.

- Science does not provide answers about what should be done. It does not tell you what "societal decay" is - religious people will say it is the decline of faith, Enlightenment folks will tell you it is about the lack of knowledge in society/humanity, others will say it is about global happiness, more will mention justice, and so on. You need philosophy to do that. Science is merely a tool to achieve whatever goals your philosophy sets; it cannot set your goals by itself, because that's simply not its role: one cannot scientifically conclude that X ought to be done over Y because it is a better result, because the concept of "better" is not verifiable in any empirical way. Saying that science tells us that X is better is a shorthand for "science tells us that if we want to attain goal A (for reasons that were previously established by means of philosophy), X is the way to go" - nothing more. If you want to say we ought to do something, you NEED morality, i.e. something that tells you what is good in human actions and what isn't. You have a morality system underlying your statements, even if you don't call it that way, because you most definetly have a basis for your conception of what is good for society (be it right or wrong, you have one; else, you would not prefer any state of affairs to any other).

[QUOTE=HatMajor;971990]Well one can make the utilitarian argument from a positive value perspective, but one also can look at it from a negative value perspective with respect to society (eg. trimming the fat).

You can say then that this also lumps people with physical disabilities, but it is evident the mind is the greatest value producer (eg. Stephen Hawking), even greater than physical ability.

So filtering for non-value producing agents in the lens of utilitarian theory, the mentally ill are at the very top of this list. Sure, some may be able to be utilized for manual labor, but their lifetime market value is negligible in comparison to that of machines we could build to complete their potentially assigned tasks.

Moral justifications aside, the bare logic makes sense.[/QUOTE]

There is so much wrong in this I do not know where to start lol. I will start with the concept of "value production":

- Mentally ill people are not automatically "non-value producing agents". One can be "mentally ill" (again, this would need to be defined correctly) and yet be functional. This statement is thus not only inaccurate, but also honestly quite offensive.
- Since when is it evident that the mind is the greatest value producer? Without physical ability, we literally wouldn't eat. I also highly value intellectual pursuits, but if noone does physical stuff, noone is going to think at all, because we're all going to be dead of hunger...

All of this evacuates what even is important in the end. You seem to be excluding human dignity from the equation, but this is infinitely far from being self-evident. According to what you're saying, what stops us from just being mindless murderers? Since you're excluding any kind of compassion, it seems the logical conclusion is that we should be in a state of constant war à la Thomas Hobbes...

If you consider everyone as pure utility values, what stops [I]us[/I] from considering you are holding psychopathic views that threaten society's cohesion and individual rights, and thus should have [I]your[/I] organs harvested "for the greater good"? I am not saying that this is what should happen (obviously lol), but rather that if I follow your logic, it leads to that.

Originally Posted by HatMajor

Well one can make the utilitarian argument from a positive value perspective, but one also can look at it from a negative value perspective with respect to society (eg. trimming the fat).

You can say then that this also lumps people with physical disabilities, but it is evident the mind is the greatest value producer (eg. Stephen Hawking), even greater than physical ability.

So filtering for non-value producing agents in the lens of utilitarian theory, the mentally ill are at the very top of this list. Sure, some may be able to be utilized for manual labor, but their lifetime market value is negligible in comparison to that of machines we could build to complete their potentially assigned tasks.

Moral justifications aside, the bare logic makes sense.

There is so much wrong in this I do not know where to start lol. I will start with the concept of "value production":

- Mentally ill people are not automatically "non-value producing agents". One can be "mentally ill" (again, this would need to be defined correctly) and yet be functional. This statement is thus not only inaccurate, but also honestly quite offensive.
- Since when is it evident that the mind is the greatest value producer? Without physical ability, we literally wouldn't eat. I also highly value intellectual pursuits, but if noone does physical stuff, noone is going to think at all, because we're all going to be dead of hunger...

All of this evacuates what even is important in the end. You seem to be excluding human dignity from the equation, but this is infinitely far from being self-evident. According to what you're saying, what stops us from just being mindless murderers? Since you're excluding any kind of compassion, it seems the logical conclusion is that we should be in a state of constant war à la Thomas Hobbes...

If you consider everyone as pure utility values, what stops us from considering you are holding psychopathic views that threaten society's cohesion and individual rights, and thus should have your organs harvested "for the greater good"? I am not saying that this is what should happen (obviously lol), but rather that if I follow your logic, it leads to that.

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Two well-known issues with your utilitarian view:

- In this case, there is almost always more value to someone's multiple organs that can save multiple lives than to one person's life. Thus, it would be morally acceptable to murder people [I]in general[/I] to gather their organs. According to your calculations, it should be especially important if, say, the president is dying, making it imperative to murder a homeless person immediatly to save the president's life by providing an organ if needed... This doesn't seem right, does it?

- The utility monster thought experiment (someone having infinitely high utility, giving "value to society" to an infinite extent, would be morally right to monopolize all resources for himself)


Besides, the very concept of mental illness is highly subject to debate. Remember homosexuality used to be considered as one. Basing a right to murder on a poorly defined concept is VERY dangerous.



Oh and of course there are several metric tons of objections to your point based on several moral points of view that I will not hold because they may be dubious in their foundation, but "murdering people isn't okay" is a pretty universal tenet xD.

Two well-known issues with your utilitarian view:

- In this case, there is almost always more value to someone's multiple organs that can save multiple lives than to one person's life. Thus, it would be morally acceptable to murder people in general to gather their organs. According to your calculations, it should be especially important if, say, the president is dying, making it imperative to murder a homeless person immediatly to save the president's life by providing an organ if needed... This doesn't seem right, does it?

- The utility monster thought experiment (someone having infinitely high utility, giving "value to society" to an infinite extent, would be morally right to monopolize all resources for himself)


Besides, the very concept of mental illness is highly subject to debate. Remember homosexuality used to be considered as one. Basing a right to murder on a poorly defined concept is VERY dangerous.



Oh and of course there are several metric tons of objections to your point based on several moral points of view that I will not hold because they may be dubious in their foundation, but "murdering people isn't okay" is a pretty universal tenet xD.

[QUOTE=Yayap;971958]<.< >.>
Yayap doesn't recognize any names on the sign up list other than stealthbomber

/sign[/QUOTE]

...!!!!

IT'S ALIVE!!! Welcome back ^^

Do you have a Discord, perchance? (If you don't want to say it publicly, you can always PM me or send it to me there, Marshmallow Marshall#4582)

Also, the game has now filled and should start soon enough! I will be sending confirmation requests on Discord, and will announce the start time (should be this week/in the coming days) when everyone has confirmed.
[MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION] [MENTION=45793]luona[/MENTION] [MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION] [MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION] [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] (shadow archon with [MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION]) [MENTION=46017]Guillo[/MENTION] [MENTION=9360]Yayap[/MENTION]

Confirmations: 8/8

Originally Posted by Yayap

<.< >.>
Yayap doesn't recognize any names on the sign up list other than stealthbomber

/sign

...!!!!

IT'S ALIVE!!! Welcome back ^^

Do you have a Discord, perchance? (If you don't want to say it publicly, you can always PM me or send it to me there, Marshmallow Marshall#4582)

Also, the game has now filled and should start soon enough! I will be sending confirmation requests on Discord, and will announce the start time (should be this week/in the coming days) when everyone has confirmed.
@MartinGG99 @Mizery @luona @oliverz144 @Stealthbomber16 @ikarusdk (shadow archon with @Lumi ) @Guillo @Yayap

Confirmations: 8/8

Hippity hoppity the game is now bumped

We need two more to start this ^^
I didn't count Helz in since he didn't confirm, just for the record.

I SUMMON THEE [MENTION=34329]Frinckles[/MENTION]

Hippity hoppity the game is now bumped

We need two more to start this ^^
I didn't count Helz in since he didn't confirm, just for the record.

I SUMMON THEE @Frinckles

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;971950]Marshmallow Marshall[/QUOTE]

someone did not read the hidden message

FeelsAmazingMan

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Marshmallow Marshall

someone did not read the hidden message

[QUOTE=DJarJar;971942]Marshmallow Marshall[/QUOTE]

Hah, a marshmallow that is a marshall? What a strange concept, good one.

[class=hidden]You did not ping me, thus you are not talking about ME, but rather about the concept of a marshmallow marshall. And that is funny, I agree - that's even why I picked the name![/class]

Originally Posted by DJarJar

Marshmallow Marshall

Hah, a marshmallow that is a marshall? What a strange concept, good one.

You did not ping me, thus you are not talking about ME, but rather about the concept of a marshmallow marshall. And that is funny, I agree - that's even why I picked the name!

Post your horribly bad jokes here.

[SPOILER=What does a lottery winner order in an Asian restaurant?]Wontons. Because he won tons.[/SPOILER]

[SPOILER=Why did the chicken cross the road?]Because he thought it was a better life choice than reading those stupid jokes. But it's just a stupid chicken, don't worry; you're the one who's right![/SPOILER]

Post your horribly bad jokes here.

Spoiler : What does a lottery winner order in an Asian restaurant? :

Wontons. Because he won tons.

Spoiler : Why did the chicken cross the road? :

Because he thought it was a better life choice than reading those stupid jokes. But it's just a stupid chicken, don't worry; you're the one who's right!

Our world conquest plans are moving forward... :rolleyes:

Our world conquest plans are moving forward...

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971918]Kinda feels like it should be 9p tbh, otherwise town has only one mis-yeet before lylo lol (exceptions ofc for power role stuff but that isn't really a guarantee and Rifleman or even Sorceress could back-fire)

but regardless I think it'll be a nice small game regardless of how balanced it actually is


Also disappointing about PQ. I had hoped better from them, but I'm not going to speak about it any more than this.[/QUOTE]

Well... it's kinda the point, tbh lol. Each team loses after two lynches don't go their way (except in the scenario where lynches are town-scum-town, in which town doesn't instantly lose) if power roles don't do anything. It's a small game with some power roles that have the power to be game changers if they make "correct educated guesses".

As for Helz's statement, we discussed it a bit and I feel like it has more to do with distrust in vigilantes in general lol.

As a conclusion, I hope town wins just so that it shows you all were wrong :P


Also, I do think it would be really cool if setup discussion happened in setup threads once again. We used to have quite active setup threads with people (not just staff!) contributing on a long-term basis to improve setup quality, and that was wonderful :)

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Kinda feels like it should be 9p tbh, otherwise town has only one mis-yeet before lylo lol (exceptions ofc for power role stuff but that isn't really a guarantee and Rifleman or even Sorceress could back-fire)

but regardless I think it'll be a nice small game regardless of how balanced it actually is


Also disappointing about PQ. I had hoped better from them, but I'm not going to speak about it any more than this.

Well... it's kinda the point, tbh lol. Each team loses after two lynches don't go their way (except in the scenario where lynches are town-scum-town, in which town doesn't instantly lose) if power roles don't do anything. It's a small game with some power roles that have the power to be game changers if they make "correct educated guesses".

As for Helz's statement, we discussed it a bit and I feel like it has more to do with distrust in vigilantes in general lol.

As a conclusion, I hope town wins just so that it shows you all were wrong :P


Also, I do think it would be really cool if setup discussion happened in setup threads once again. We used to have quite active setup threads with people (not just staff!) contributing on a long-term basis to improve setup quality, and that was wonderful

[center][SIZE=6][class=effect][B][FONT=Book Antiqua]Lumi has won the Championship![/FONT][/B][/class][/SIZE][/center]

[MENTION=11411]Lumi[/MENTION] [URL="https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37316-Season-9-Finale-Messages-from-the-Mountains-Mafia-Championship?p=6384186&viewfull=1#post6384186"]got the first place in the Mafia Championship finale[/URL] on MafiaUniverse! Congratulations ^^

[SIZE=1]autograph requests to Lumi on your sicilian mafia hat at home (because you ALL have that) will probably be denied, but I can't speak for them...[/SIZE]

Lumi has won the Championship!

@Lumi got the first place in the Mafia Championship finale on MafiaUniverse! Congratulations ^^

autograph requests to Lumi on your sicilian mafia hat at home (because you ALL have that) will probably be denied, but I can't speak for them...

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;971908]Hi, I'm MM.[/QUOTE]

YOU MONSTER

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Hi, I'm MM.

YOU MONSTER

Just so that there is no confusion: PQ has been removed from the sign list as per his permaban (see [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47411-FM-Moderation-Log?p=971913&viewfull=1#post971913"]the FM Moderation Log post[/URL] for details). He was being given one last chance, but recent private exchanges with him show that he is not fit for the site. As a reminder, any questions / talk about this should be directed either privately with staff or in the Answer Hall.

Just so that there is no confusion: PQ has been removed from the sign list as per his permaban (see the FM Moderation Log post for details). He was being given one last chance, but recent private exchanges with him show that he is not fit for the site. As a reminder, any questions / talk about this should be directed either privately with staff or in the Answer Hall.

[center][SIZE=5]Regarding [MENTION=12998]PQRnHack[/MENTION][/SIZE]

PQRnHack has been permanently banned for repeated private harrassment of other players (from insisting to voice chat to getting overly intimate with people when discomfort was clearly stated). For reasons that seem closely related, he has been toxic off-site and was even banned for similar reasons on other sites; a close investigation was led recently on off-site issues, and it has showed that the issues he has had on SC2 Mafia are ubiquitous when he is playing somewhere. He was being given one last chance, but exchanges with staff clearly show he has no remorse and believes he has always been absolutely justified, and that those who take issue with his behavior are overly fragile. There is thus no reason to believe he will ever change his ways.

Evidence: We will refrain from posting the content here due to its private nature, but FM staff will be keeping the evidence for reference if needed.

[/center]

Regarding @PQRnHack

PQRnHack has been permanently banned for repeated private harrassment of other players (from insisting to voice chat to getting overly intimate with people when discomfort was clearly stated). For reasons that seem closely related, he has been toxic off-site and was even banned for similar reasons on other sites; a close investigation was led recently on off-site issues, and it has showed that the issues he has had on SC2 Mafia are ubiquitous when he is playing somewhere. He was being given one last chance, but exchanges with staff clearly show he has no remorse and believes he has always been absolutely justified, and that those who take issue with his behavior are overly fragile. There is thus no reason to believe he will ever change his ways.

Evidence: We will refrain from posting the content here due to its private nature, but FM staff will be keeping the evidence for reference if needed.

[QUOTE=DJarJar;971896]Delicious[/QUOTE]

Contrary to popular belief, being French does not mean being absolutely insane about food, so I have some doubts on this... :P

Originally Posted by DJarJar

Delicious

Contrary to popular belief, being French does not mean being absolutely insane about food, so I have some doubts on this... :P

[QUOTE=Mizery;971897]Sure I'll join as long as u promise to not rand me scum like all the other games :((([/QUOTE]

Ok, you won't be scum! You will be the very nice orcs training to battle the evil humans. Is this fine for you?

[SIZE=1]For legal reasons, I must specify who gets what is actually randomized lol[/SIZE]

Originally Posted by Mizery

Sure I'll join as long as u promise to not rand me scum like all the other games ((

Ok, you won't be scum! You will be the very nice orcs training to battle the evil humans. Is this fine for you?

For legal reasons, I must specify who gets what is actually randomized lol

[QUOTE=DJarJar;971886]Have you tried fried cockroach?[/QUOTE]

Should I?

Originally Posted by DJarJar

Have you tried fried cockroach?

Should I?

[QUOTE=Darkcrusader;971866]Dear ser. This so-called triumphant attempt to undermine the underlying issue at hand that has been proposed by a nothing other than some mere self-indulgent inquirer, that would so happen to be me, is but trivial to a self-educated scholar of the Rooster-book of Cock, who has, in good faith, provided you with the hen that serves as the back bone of this fine constitution. The mere implication of there being anything other than chickens at our disposal is blasphemous, false and even slanderous. Albeit I shall conceive that point to you, provided that the Lord himself confirms, that there has been no inquiry of any pay being laid for any a time. No questions asked, no answers given. No contracts were signed, so as far as I know, the soup is free of charge.
As for the importance of chicken soup, as opposed to shrimp, or any other culinary replacement, which represents a matter of utmost fine delicacy, it is something to be discussed in great detail. This subject has a great place in my heart. And I shall remain as objective as possible in the following discourse. Chickens are cheap, and shrimps are basically sea-cockroaches. [/QUOTE]

The real blaphemy here is to call shrimps "sea-cockroaches": it makes no sense at all that one would be so mean towards such delicious animals! :(

Besides, the Lord shall not confirm anything related to heathenous chicken!!

[QUOTE=Darkcrusader;971866]I must apologize for having taken this long to respond, but I have been preoccupied with small instances of inattention which severely damaged my ability to focus. But, to say the least, I am what society turned me into, a monster and a heathen.[/QUOTE]

It is of utmost sadness and causes me infinite regret that you have been affected by society. I am sure [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/49819-Discourse-on-Inequality"]Mr. Rousseau[/URL] would agree!
[SIZE=1]And yes, I totally expect you to [I]fully[/I] read that 44 pages PDF file that contains great wisdom.[/SIZE]

Originally Posted by Darkcrusader

Dear ser. This so-called triumphant attempt to undermine the underlying issue at hand that has been proposed by a nothing other than some mere self-indulgent inquirer, that would so happen to be me, is but trivial to a self-educated scholar of the Rooster-book of Cock, who has, in good faith, provided you with the hen that serves as the back bone of this fine constitution. The mere implication of there being anything other than chickens at our disposal is blasphemous, false and even slanderous. Albeit I shall conceive that point to you, provided that the Lord himself confirms, that there has been no inquiry of any pay being laid for any a time. No questions asked, no answers given. No contracts were signed, so as far as I know, the soup is free of charge.
As for the importance of chicken soup, as opposed to shrimp, or any other culinary replacement, which represents a matter of utmost fine delicacy, it is something to be discussed in great detail. This subject has a great place in my heart. And I shall remain as objective as possible in the following discourse. Chickens are cheap, and shrimps are basically sea-cockroaches.

The real blaphemy here is to call shrimps "sea-cockroaches": it makes no sense at all that one would be so mean towards such delicious animals!

Besides, the Lord shall not confirm anything related to heathenous chicken!!

Originally Posted by Darkcrusader

I must apologize for having taken this long to respond, but I have been preoccupied with small instances of inattention which severely damaged my ability to focus. But, to say the least, I am what society turned me into, a monster and a heathen.

It is of utmost sadness and causes me infinite regret that you have been affected by society. I am sure Mr. Rousseau would agree!
And yes, I totally expect you to fully read that 44 pages PDF file that contains great wisdom.

No drama here, [MENTION=12998]PQRnHack[/MENTION] sign accepted. Further comments on the topic should be messaged to me privately, by the way.

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Welcome, ikarus! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or to message me :)
My Discord is Marshmallow Marshall#4582, for the record.

Also, make sure you have read [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48192-S-FM-Warcraft-(8P)"]the setup (this is a link)[/URL]!

No drama here, @PQRnHack sign accepted. Further comments on the topic should be messaged to me privately, by the way.

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Welcome, ikarus! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or to message me
My Discord is Marshmallow Marshall#4582, for the record.

Also, make sure you have read the setup (this is a link)!

I am thoroughly disappointed to have received no answer to my critically important inquiries, [MENTION=15298]Darkcrusader[/MENTION]. You monster.

I am thoroughly disappointed to have received no answer to my critically important inquiries, @Darkcrusader . You monster.