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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post


    I think I'll pass xD

    There are probably too many Christians in the US to make that change. It's not a truly religion-neutral country, like you said yourself. And Utah would launch a civil war if that happened lol.
    If you aren't okay with that motto, why is "In god we trust" acceptable? It's hypocritical to support one and not the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Isn't that unrelated to my post, though? Satanists are serving a power they believe to be evil (Satan is evil incarnate by definition), while other religions serve a power they believe to be good. In other words, they don't even try to be moral lol: that is the whole point. Hence why I have a hard time understanding their "code of conduct" @Helz quoted, which just seems to be common sense and pro-science without references to religion. I follow that code of conduct, does that make me a satanist xD?
    Yes it does make you a satanist, and therefore you should have no problem changing the motto to "In God we trust, and Satan too"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    What's wrong with giving the people a choice? Why should people be obligated to wear a mask? God gave us air so we can breathe air. By breathing with a mask, we are disobeying God. By wearing a mask, we are breathing CO2 because CO2 gets trapped in the mask. Stop listening to Bill Gates. He is trying to kill us all.
    Cant tell if serious or not tbh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvanas View Post
    Like this you mean?

    Anyway yeah, the masks are on a whole other dimension. It's a shame people who refuse to wear masks where required don't simply hit their heads and die. They just spread the plague and continue being horrible.
    lol yes like that
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    Psh color is overrated
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    Tree and Pimp are hereby cleared for the next release of the game. Congratulations Guy, we'll make sure to reference you in the release notes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    Idk banana, I think those signs on the road saying click it or ticket, don’t drink and drive, don’t text and drive... are there because a crap ton of idiots don’t listen to those rules either
    Right but the question is why isn't it a political issue? Like if you tell someone "you shouldn't text and drive" or "wear your seat belt", they aren't going to respond with "muh freedom". At least that hasn't been my experience.

    They recognize that if they get caught doing it they are going to get ticketed for it. Yet no protests or freaking out about it.
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    This song sucks
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    I love this so much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvanas View Post
    I think you know the answer. Seat belts weren't introduced during this horrible current Internet era and didn't incur the wrath of the pro-plague moms. It was impossible for them not to become political and stigmatized.
    So why aren't texting and driving laws political? Those are new.
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    Ugh more civil war talk
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Oh I was referring to the application of polygamy within any singular culture or religion. I was simply referring to polygamy as a consensual romantic/sexual relationship involving more than 2 people.
    Yeh, I get you. I was just providing additional context to the specific religion in question, which is what Galeon was bringing up.

    I have no problem with polygamy between consensual adults. I do have a problem with religious leaders using a position of power to coerce multiple women into marrying them though. So it's a tricky subject because polygamy in the past has been abused in that way quite a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    If so that’s my mistake. It’s not immoral; I think religious people are wrong to ascribe that trait to it. But I think they have some legitimate grievances to be heard.
    The only reason we are discussing divorce again is because it was in one of my quotes that I was responding to mallow with lol, in which I also argued with secondpassing that divorce is neither a moral nor immoral act. This seems to happen a lot my dude, you'll see something that I say like:

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Religion has its own moral code. That moral code does not apply to everyone. So you can say "religion can and did give people morals to live by" but all it's doing is enforcing its own moral code.

    Why is divorce an immoral act? You know what's immoral? A religious leader telling an abused wife to give her husband another chance and stay in the marriage to avoid a divorce. You know what else is immoral? Someone breaking their marital vows and betraying their spouse's trust by going behind their spouses back to cheat on them for years. Wanna know another one? Staying in a loveless marriage because marriage is "moral".

    "Marriage" is not a moral act. It is neither moral nor immoral. Same with divorce. Unless you're religious, and your belief is that marriage is ordained of god, and that divorce is a sin.
    And your response is to argue against that. By not arguing that divorce is immoral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Yeah and Mormonism is also for polygamy. I never understood why that religion exists. I really don’t like it either, and I’m glad I’m not the only one.
    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    What's wrong with polygamy?
    The mormon eternal doctrine of celestial marriage is that a man can be "sealed to" multiple wives (mormon temple weddings, aka "sealings" say you are "sealed" to that person for all eternity), but a woman can only be "sealed to" one man. If she wants to marry another, even after he dies, she can marry him for this life only. Unless she decides to break the sealing with the husband that died. Then she can seal with the 2nd husband. But in the afterlife she can only be with 1 of them, whoever she is sealed to. So yeah, mormon polygamy is strictly 1 man, multiple wives.
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    See we can find some common ground lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Personally I don’t think they’re either moral or immoral
    Then we are in agreement and at this point are arguing for the sake of arguing lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    No, that isn’t okay, and divorce is then justified. That’s orobably one of the few cases where it isn’t wrong in some manner.
    Yet you just said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    My point was more a snide remark. I didn’t actually think you’d say that. But... I cannot see how a divorce is good lol. It never is. It can be better than the alternative, but that’s not good.
    \_(ツ)_/ this is the whole point we're trying to make. The act of marriage is not moral. The act of divorce is not immoral. It's all circumstance.

    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    Divorce is neither moral or immoral.... it's the actions or landscape that determine the morality of it. You are falling back on "so you're saying" points that your idol Peterson was the subject of, not very cash money.



    My honest opinion is I think you need to reflect more. A lot of what you say is very disconnecting. This is in part of my opinion that you argue in bad faith.

    Last post in this thread, exhausted my will to continue.
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    You could make the argument of "if you want to start a family, you should marry" - but we're already into the "ifs" at that point. It's all circumstance. Not the act itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    My point was more a snide remark. I didn’t actually think you’d say that. But... I cannot see how a divorce is good lol. It never is. It can be better than the alternative, but that’s not good.
    You can't just put all "marriage" into a good bucket, and all of "divorce" into a bad bucket. What about religious individuals that abuse their position of authority and power to coerce underage girls to marry them? Is that type of marriage "moral", and the girl later wanting to escape "immoral"?

    Marriage isn't even for everyone. It shouldn't be for everyone. Some people want to marry. Others don't. The ones that choose to marry aren't in any way more moral than those that choose to never marry. Como se te occure.
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    At least you can maybe see now why someone like me might take issue with their country's motto being "In god we trust"? It's not just this harmless thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I’m not resentful or anything over that, but I’m just saying. I grew up in a very religious country and even there, nobody really gave a shit what your religion was. We even have a Protestant President now. Nobody actually gives a shit.
    It's a different culture then. You wanted to know why I was so "anti religious", I explained why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I think you’re using a skewed dataset though. I have friends who believe in a higher power like I do and are also not religious, and they definitely wouldn’t support outlawing gay marriage. It could be that these people are interpreting the slogan as support for the idea that the US is a Christian nation. I think they’re wrong.
    Yes, my state is one of the most religious in the country. No, that does not mean that this hasn't been a problem, especially a very recent problem. In June of 2013, just 7 years ago, only 12/50 states allowed gay marriage. This is after years, and years, and years of work and fighting for the right to marry. And the religious don't want to let it go. They want the Supreme Court to overturn its decision from 5 years ago, and even now, just this month LGBTQ individuals are still fighting for their rights. Religious oppression (as in oppressing the nonreligious / people that believe differently) is still a very real problem here.
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    Engaging with you literally like chasing a chicken man. I say "the motto is bad because the religious use it to justify restricting freedoms of people different from them", you respond with "yeah religion is flawed" and ignore the point. I say "look what is being done in my state by the very religious, using those exact justifications", you respond with "mormonism isn't even christianity", even though you claim you aren't defending christianity, or any one religion, and aren't very religious even. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Religion does have it flaws. I think there is nothing wrong with gay marriage or with being gay. I didn’t argue it doesn’t have it flaws. It, like most things, does have its flaws. One cannot deny that it is fundamentally, misguided as though it may be at times, a force for good.
    Stop ignoring my points by addressing something else. The motto is horrible because people use it to justify forcing their beliefs on others. Good and bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    This is absolutely disgusting lol. I'm moving out of this discussion.
    Right, as much as he claims to not be religious, his viewpoints are definitely heavily influenced by it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    You realize Mormonism is very different from other strands of Christianity right? It’s sometimes not even seen as being Christian due to some very significant theological and cultural differences.
    You're avoiding the meat of my argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    If he doesn’t exist, why even care then? lol
    Read my last post

    "In god we trust" as a motto and repeated everywhere reinforces the idea that this is a "christian nation". I hear that argument ALL THE TIME. "Gay marriage should be illegal, because this is a christian nation, founded by christian forefathers that trusted in god, and god says its bad".

    People say "I'll pray for you" to me all the time. You know what? I have no issue with that. In fact, I respond with "thank you". Same if they tell me "god bless you" (my Colombian relatives in particular do this a lot). I have no problem with that.

    But a motto is supposed to represent a nation as a whole. Yet this one doesn't represent me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Bro ‘God protects America’ doesn’t offend anyone. If I told you God protected this forum why should you feel offended? As far as I’m concerned he protects all people equally regardless of religious belief or lack thereof.
    God doesn't exist. I don't trust in something that doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I feel you’re very profoundly anti-religion and your statements show that. It’s not okay to say that ‘Christians want to impose their beliefs’ on everybody else. It’s not as if even a majority of Christians do that. Christianity is long past that now. These people are in the minority.
    I can see why someone would say divorce is immoral. Theres many wrong things about divorce; first the fact that you arrived at the point where divorce is the only way forward shows that something seriously wrong happened somewhere. Either they married the wrong person or something horrible happened after marriage. It’s also not okay to leave your children behind just because you cannot reconcile with the other person.

    Of course, divorce should be legal and I’m not claiming otherwise. But I definitely think that religious people have a point when they say divorce is wrong (it is, and there’s absolutely no question about it). You can’t just dismiss it.

    I dont really see what point you’re trying to make about Satan because Satan is a well defined being. God isn’t. God means different things to different people. If we look at the statement from a religious standpoint, it could mean that the Supreme Being protects America. Or even spirituality. It doesn’t matter which god. Replacing that with Satan is about as secular as replacing it with Christ, Shiva, Thor, Allah or Jehovah.
    Yes I am very much anti religion. I grew up in a country full of people who have tried to force their religious beliefs onto everyone else. For example, gay marriage was not legal in every state in the USA until just 5 years ago. 5. Fucking. Years ago. Because "religious beliefs say gay marriage is bad". There was literally no other explanation for restricting american's freedom to marry. Other than religious beliefs.

    It's even worse growing up in Utah. Mormons account for almost 90% of my state's legislature. And believe me, they consistently try to impose the will of the LDS church here in the state as much as they can. The LDS church literally pays lobbyists to push their religious agendas through my state. Voters will vote one way, but the church doesn't like it? They impose their will. They enforce their moral code.

    You know that I used to be on the other side of the coin? I used to use mental gymnastics to defend my cult, and in a broader sense to also defend christianity when it came to the public sphere. But since my departure from mormonism in 2015 I was able to let go of trying to justify every stupid little viewpoint that religious folk try to shove down everyone else's throats. So yeah, I have a bitter relationship with religion. There's a saying among mormons for us "anti" folk - "You can leave the church but you can't leave the church alone". Well, all I want is for the church (and all religion) to leave me in peace, and let me be free of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    The phrase is all over the place. It doesn’t mean anything. In God we Trust is just a blessing. It’s a patriotic slogan that doesn’t have any religious meaning. I frankly don’t understand why that’s such an issue. It’s not as if the Government is going to enforce religion. I would start worrying when the government tells you you need to be religious to do certain things. Which isn’t the case.
    I want to impart the blessing of Satan, who is the God of this world, with his many powers and priesthoods. I propose a compromise. Since "In Satan we trust" is a patriotic slogan to me, and just a meaningless blessing to others, I propose that the new motto be: "In God we trust, and Satan too".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Also Banana it is VERY unfair of you to take those stances and paint religion as a whole with it. Not everyone who is religious believes that.
    What stances are you referring to here? I responded to secondpassing that was arguing marriage = moral and divorce = immoral, and mallow who was arguing against "In Satan we trust" due to its "immorality" vs "In god we trust". So what am I painting here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Uh, i don’t see what it being a moral statement has anything to do with if
    its not a moral statement at all, it’s not even much of a religious statement
    Read the post I was responding to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Satanists are encouraging moral behavior? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of satanism to promote admittedly pure evil (whether that exists or not) and literally praise it?
    I will refer you to these posts, buried in the "cancerous" portion of the thread.

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    This is biased conjecture. Morality does not depend on religion.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Religion has its own moral code. That moral code does not apply to everyone. So you can say "religion can and did give people morals to live by" but all it's doing is enforcing its own moral code.

    Why is divorce an immoral act? You know what's immoral? A religious leader telling an abused wife to give her husband another chance and stay in the marriage to avoid a divorce. You know what else is immoral? Someone breaking their marital vows and betraying their spouse's trust by going behind their spouses back to cheat on them for years. Wanna know another one? Staying in a loveless marriage because marriage is "moral".

    "Marriage" is not a moral act. It is neither moral nor immoral. Same with divorce. Unless you're religious, and your belief is that marriage is ordained of god, and that divorce is a sin.
    "In god we trust" is in no way a moral statement, and should not be the motto of a country that prides itself in being a diverse melting pot of ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    It is still denoting A God. Your choice of wording implies you are talking from some religious viewpoint (the only ones left out are of the atheist variety and why should they care?) and honestly this just confirms my view. Non-religious people are the minority in the world, and then in the USA it's drastically even more shifted in favor of theists. It makes sense to me that "In God we trust" has been codified in US law as NOT being a religious statement when the people that it is in reference to are overwhelmingly the majority of the populace. The religious population in the USA in 2016 was 79.1%, opposed to 20.9% non religion/no answers.

    If a vote was put to the public where religious beliefs or lack of were attached to an individuals vote about whether "In God we trust" is a religious statement or not, I have a feeling I already will know what the results would look like.
    Man my rep button is all worn out
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    Majority of the founding fathers were not deists but okay, majority were Christian. The person who designed the coin was a Reverend. The person who authorized the design is arguably Christian. The president that expanded the motto was Christian.

    Are you sure you can confidently claim that they aren't referring to the Christian god?
    You can if you twist the argument as much as possible to make it so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I’m not a religious nut lmao
    Whatever you say boss.
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    The mental gymnastics you religious nuts go through to justify this shit is amazing. Always invoking the founding fathers even though none of them pushed for/promoted religious mottos that were enacted long after they were all dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Tbh I think putting text on flags is kinda cringe in general but, I mean if it were the same motto or something, why not? It’s on coins in the US too.
    The phrase should not be on coins.
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    Yet it concerns christians so much if they're not able to force their religious beliefs on everyone else
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Idk to me that seems like a non-issue. Don’t see why it concerns you guys so nuch
    Then it should be a non issue to not put it on anything government related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    why is adding ‘In God we Trust’ a bad thing?
    We should add "In Satan we trust"

    Do you think that's a bad idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    I thought the thread was dead. And then it lit up like a Christmas tree.
    Its pretty cancerous now
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    Seat belts are not political. Nobody is protesting over having to wear seat belts and the fact that their freedom is infringed by a "click it or ticket" law in which they can receive a citation for simply not wearing one?. Why not? Why is a mandate to wear a mask during a public health crisis any different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    I should be allowed to proudly wave the nazi flag around because I’m a patriotic 1940s German and it has nothing at all to do with bigotry!!!
    Stahp it snowflake. You're making my racist conscience ache
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    Maybe I'll play some Dishonored. Sneaking around gives me pleasure
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