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wait I mean don't vote for trump lmfao

wait I mean don't vote for trump lmfao

[QUOTE=Donald J. Trump;900802]I guess I do because I don't remember asking you for your opinion, bean.[/QUOTE]

and still no concrete answer about what you've done for the blacks

scum makes vague claims with nothing to back them up when they're trying to seem town

[vote]Donald J. Trump[/vote]

Originally Posted by Donald J. Trump

I guess I do because I don't remember asking you for your opinion, bean.

and still no concrete answer about what you've done for the blacks

scum makes vague claims with nothing to back them up when they're trying to seem town

-vote Donald J. Trump

[QUOTE=Donald J. Trump;900798]People like Failure Frostbyte is the reason why I will always protect pre-existing conditions! We will always protect the mentally handicapped!

And I also support farmers, big league! This is why I passed the farm bill, so that farmers around the United States can continue to grow vegetables like Failure Frostbyte![/QUOTE]

But we were talking about the blacks?

Do you really have dementia?

Originally Posted by Donald J. Trump

People like Failure Frostbyte is the reason why I will always protect pre-existing conditions! We will always protect the mentally handicapped!

And I also support farmers, big league! This is why I passed the farm bill, so that farmers around the United States can continue to grow vegetables like Failure Frostbyte!

But we were talking about the blacks?

Do you really have dementia?

[MENTION=45664]Donald J. Trump[/MENTION] and I fucking dare you to bring up unemployment

@Donald J. Trump and I fucking dare you to bring up unemployment

[QUOTE=Donald J. Trump;900794][SIZE=7][B]FAKE NEWS!!![/B][/SIZE]

Except Abraham Lincoln, nobody's done more for black community than Donald Trump!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc[/URL][/QUOTE]

ARE YOU WILLING TO DISAVOW WHITE SUPREMACY

YEAH

stand back and stand down, boys

the doublespeak is amazing.

Trump has done shit for black people, he keeps making that claim and being as vague about it as possible.

Originally Posted by Donald J. Trump

FAKE NEWS!!!

Except Abraham Lincoln, nobody's done more for black community than Donald Trump!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc

ARE YOU WILLING TO DISAVOW WHITE SUPREMACY

YEAH

stand back and stand down, boys

the doublespeak is amazing.

Trump has done shit for black people, he keeps making that claim and being as vague about it as possible.

For the record, using the word nigger doesn't automatically make you a racist, but you don't get to cry about being called a racist when you use it.

For the record, using the word nigger doesn't automatically make you a racist, but you don't get to cry about being called a racist when you use it.

[QUOTE=Voss;900579]No one's said that racism is a uniquely conservative position. I think you misinterpreted FrostByte's words here.[/QUOTE]

I was literally gonna respond with this.

"Outwardly racist" is definitely a conservative thing. Underhandedly racist is a liberal thing.

Trump refusing to denounce white supremacy over and over and over is outwardly racist.

Biden saying poor kids deserve the same opportunities as white kids is a scumslip that shows he's underhandedly racist (at least in my opinion, as an example)

[QUOTE=Oberon;900538]In the UK I had people IGNORE my dad (we went there on a visit couple of years back) and refuse to shake his hand for literally no fucking reason.[/QUOTE]

annnnd here's the victim complex I talked about

[QUOTE=Oberon;900538]It just seems to me that people hear about 'anti-black racism' on TV and how all these evil white people oppressed them or whatnot and then point out racism against blacks (especially from other white people) wherever they see it even if the racism is fictional, just to feel better about themselves.[/QUOTE]
That's called virtue signaling. It happens occasionally, but it's more often used an accusation by conservatives to discredit even obvious and concrete acts of racism.

Jim Crow didn't end that long ago in the US. The people currently making laws in the US were either alive during Jim Crow or raised by people who popularly supported Jim Crow. That fact alone illustrates how racism is definitely alive and real in the US. People don't just change overnight or do a 100% 180 from one generation to the next.

[QUOTE=Oberon;900538]I'm actually really curious how many of these people who are 'fighting to end racism' have ever helped a downtrodden black person when it was inconvenient to them - and I'm not talking about giving someone a pen at an exam.

Given that I don't see the same level of care levelled at other downtrodden groups, and given that people seem perfectly happy with racism against other groups, I can only assume that they don't actually genuinely care about black people and are only in on it to make themselves feel like Good Samaritans - and if they can do it by making other people look bad, then all the better![/QUOTE]

How would you see it? The news doesn't cover good shit. Only bad. There are plenty of people who dedicate their lives to stopping racism and prejudice of all kinds. Writing everyone off as virtue signaling is intellectually and morally weak. It's an excuse to continue being racist. "If everyone else is doing it, it must not be that bad."

Originally Posted by Voss

No one's said that racism is a uniquely conservative position. I think you misinterpreted FrostByte's words here.

I was literally gonna respond with this.

"Outwardly racist" is definitely a conservative thing. Underhandedly racist is a liberal thing.

Trump refusing to denounce white supremacy over and over and over is outwardly racist.

Biden saying poor kids deserve the same opportunities as white kids is a scumslip that shows he's underhandedly racist (at least in my opinion, as an example)

Originally Posted by Oberon

In the UK I had people IGNORE my dad (we went there on a visit couple of years back) and refuse to shake his hand for literally no fucking reason.

annnnd here's the victim complex I talked about

Originally Posted by Oberon

It just seems to me that people hear about 'anti-black racism' on TV and how all these evil white people oppressed them or whatnot and then point out racism against blacks (especially from other white people) wherever they see it even if the racism is fictional, just to feel better about themselves.

That's called virtue signaling. It happens occasionally, but it's more often used an accusation by conservatives to discredit even obvious and concrete acts of racism.

Jim Crow didn't end that long ago in the US. The people currently making laws in the US were either alive during Jim Crow or raised by people who popularly supported Jim Crow. That fact alone illustrates how racism is definitely alive and real in the US. People don't just change overnight or do a 100% 180 from one generation to the next.

Originally Posted by Oberon

I'm actually really curious how many of these people who are 'fighting to end racism' have ever helped a downtrodden black person when it was inconvenient to them - and I'm not talking about giving someone a pen at an exam.

Given that I don't see the same level of care levelled at other downtrodden groups, and given that people seem perfectly happy with racism against other groups, I can only assume that they don't actually genuinely care about black people and are only in on it to make themselves feel like Good Samaritans - and if they can do it by making other people look bad, then all the better!

How would you see it? The news doesn't cover good shit. Only bad. There are plenty of people who dedicate their lives to stopping racism and prejudice of all kinds. Writing everyone off as virtue signaling is intellectually and morally weak. It's an excuse to continue being racist. "If everyone else is doing it, it must not be that bad."

Your victim complex is very real and very strong. When people react to you like you're being unreasonable, instead of reflecting, you blame literally everyone else.

Your victim complex is very real and very strong. When people react to you like you're being unreasonable, instead of reflecting, you blame literally everyone else.

[QUOTE=Oberon;900473]I mean, you can read what I’ve been talking about ever since I started having political discussions on this forum. With some exceptions at the start most of what I’ve been saying has been totally reasonable. I don’t even think my views are necessarily conservative, I have many leftist friends who agree with me on the issues I usually present. I’m not going to bother to reply to your pointless personal attacks because, although I’ve gotten used to them by now, I’m not interested in engaging in the non-technical side of the debate precisely to avoid a shitfest. You’d also have to specify how I am wrong that selective racism is not a thing; over here its not that big a deal if you’re with people who are more open minded which many people are - but the problem is that many people are not! You need to be very careful who you joke with... sometimes people take it to such extreme levels that even criticizing my own ‘nation’ is wrong (and tbh people can fuck off with that attitude).[/QUOTE]

Whether you want to admit it here or not, you're a hardline and stereotypical conservative. You made this whole thread complaining about not being able to be a racist without people saying shit to you lmfao. Being outwardly racist is definitely a conservative trait.

There's no point in trying to have a "technical" debate with you because you're just gonna do what you always do; spout off nonsense with no real sources and claim it as fact. Why would you want to have a technical debate about a sociological topic like racism, anyway? You turning the CRT thread into EDUCATION IS BAD illustrated very well how little you understand or value technical details, particularly when it comes to sociology.

If what you were saying was reasonable then you'd have people backing you up. It's not, so you don't. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Oberon

I mean, you can read what I’ve been talking about ever since I started having political discussions on this forum. With some exceptions at the start most of what I’ve been saying has been totally reasonable. I don’t even think my views are necessarily conservative, I have many leftist friends who agree with me on the issues I usually present. I’m not going to bother to reply to your pointless personal attacks because, although I’ve gotten used to them by now, I’m not interested in engaging in the non-technical side of the debate precisely to avoid a shitfest. You’d also have to specify how I am wrong that selective racism is not a thing; over here its not that big a deal if you’re with people who are more open minded which many people are - but the problem is that many people are not! You need to be very careful who you joke with... sometimes people take it to such extreme levels that even criticizing my own ‘nation’ is wrong (and tbh people can fuck off with that attitude).

Whether you want to admit it here or not, you're a hardline and stereotypical conservative. You made this whole thread complaining about not being able to be a racist without people saying shit to you lmfao. Being outwardly racist is definitely a conservative trait.

There's no point in trying to have a "technical" debate with you because you're just gonna do what you always do; spout off nonsense with no real sources and claim it as fact. Why would you want to have a technical debate about a sociological topic like racism, anyway? You turning the CRT thread into EDUCATION IS BAD illustrated very well how little you understand or value technical details, particularly when it comes to sociology.

If what you were saying was reasonable then you'd have people backing you up. It's not, so you don't. Simple as that.

[MENTION=45595]Oberon[/MENTION] seems like he has a victim complex. Feels victimized by "selective racism", feels victimized by a lack of hard rightwing political support.

Broberon, there are definitely at least 2 other conservative-ish people I know of [U][B]in this thread[/B][/U]. 3 including me depending on what we're talking about. It's not about the political leanings.

It's about how ridiculous your views seem.

You're too hardline to be taken seriously by anyone who is even remotely reasonable. It's like you read a Reagan manifesto and then just copypasted that to your personality. It seems like you just snort lines of Fox News all day and just need someone to scream these things at.

Stop listening to Facebook memes and actually analyze how you feel about this shit. I guarantee you that you're not as crazy conservative as you try to force yourself to be.

@Oberon seems like he has a victim complex. Feels victimized by "selective racism", feels victimized by a lack of hard rightwing political support.

Broberon, there are definitely at least 2 other conservative-ish people I know of in this thread. 3 including me depending on what we're talking about. It's not about the political leanings.

It's about how ridiculous your views seem.

You're too hardline to be taken seriously by anyone who is even remotely reasonable. It's like you read a Reagan manifesto and then just copypasted that to your personality. It seems like you just snort lines of Fox News all day and just need someone to scream these things at.

Stop listening to Facebook memes and actually analyze how you feel about this shit. I guarantee you that you're not as crazy conservative as you try to force yourself to be.