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    I commend you, ceko. That was the first post you have made that has genuinely entertained me. Keep it up!
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    What a touching end to a contentious thread.

    Let's turn this tears thread into a tears of friendship and happiness thread instead.
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    True, you're right. My apologies to Oberon for being an asshole. In the future I'll try my best to walk away from shit rather than becoming toxic. Probably not a great use of my own time either.

    For the record I do like hearing about opposing views. I feel like thedougler did a decent job of substantiating his arguments, though he has pretty much the exact same views as Oberon, which at least taught me something. And even though I think Exeter's political ideology is inherently abhorrent to me, and I'd violently oppose anyone trying to impose such a system on me, it was fascinating to hear his perspective.
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    Not sure if that was a sneaky insult or a genuine compliment of my posts.

    Appreciated either way.
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    In this thread you have posted:

    - Several deflections, whataboutisms, and posts changing the direction of the thread multiple times.
    - Many claims, every single one of which is unsubstantiated and which you've not posted a single piece of evidence for. Anyone asking for evidence is completely ignored, as you deflect the argument yet again. I challenge you to show me a post in this thread for which you've shown any proof of. Just one.
    - An argument in which you genuinely contradict yourself within the same argument.

    These are habits that have been pointed out by multiple people, I'm just more honest about it. Notice that I disagree and have disagreed with others, though I'll discuss things differently with them because it's actually possible to stay on topic, get evidence and facts, and have discussions with them, rather than discussing conjecture, conspiracy theories, and summaries of talk shows.

    This isn't an attempt to stifle you or even insult you. It's me trying to get through to you that the way you argue is so flawed that it's not even useful to discuss these types of topics with you. The reason you're getting it more from me is because, frankly, pretty much everyone else has already given up, meanwhile I'm a stubborn fucker who can't let things go.

    But if it's not welcome, I suppose I can give up as well. My intention wasn't to insult the person, but point out flawed arguments and thinking.
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    I had a bit of a longer response typed up but I figured I didn't want to go through the effort of reading more word salad and cognitive dissonance. It really does feel to me like Oberon legitimately has not developed the facilities for critical reasoning of his own and other's arguments, and seems to be posting contradicting ideas here, all based off of feelings (or more accurately, what Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro have told him to feel) with not a shred of evidence yet to back anything up.

    Time to get this thread back on topic.



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    Can I actually point out something cool, before we completely deflect because Oberon can't back anything he said up with facts.

    This line of discussion is a perfect example of the half-bakedness and ad-libbing of arguments that the right does all the time.

    First we have Oberon, someone who is historically very right-wing, pro-free market, and anti-regulation. Sure, let's accept that. All cool points.

    Then we have companies that are trying to maximize user profit. They do so by, potentially, delivering tailored content and trying to maximize conversion. Let's not even think about whether they are doing this for profit, such as in the instance that Oberon is actually viewing tailored results on Google but anonymized results on DDG, and ignoring that the entire purpose of both of these sites is to get their audience to keep returning so they can get ad money. Maybe the CEO of Google has some sort of personal stake in keeping people home or dislikes the CEO of Fox because he fucked his wife or something. Either way, free companies, no regulations, it's all cool. One can spend their money however they want and run a business however they want.

    Now, this is where things get a bit wonky. For whatever reason, we raise the point that these companies are in bed with the state, a state (given that these companies are located in the US) that heavily opposes any sort of lockdown. Because these companies are colluding with the state, they try to push the anti-lockdown agenda by.... pushing pro-lockdown views. How this contradiction makes any sense is yet to be seen but sure let's run with it.

    Clearly the solution to this problem, according to Oberon, is to make these companies publicly owned. As in, have the government owning entire social media platforms so that they can prevent these companies from pushing views, views that the companies are pushing because also according to Oberon they are in bed with the state and thus influenced by the state. So the pro-free market, anti-regulation approach to this problem, is to actually go full communist and have the state own the companies, so that the state can prevent the companies from pushing the views that the state is influencing them to push.

    Very smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Whenever I google something about the coronavirus pandemic, I only find articles that tell me why ‘it’s real’ and why the lockdown is necessary; even if I tailor the search to look specifically for results that would favour my opinion. On DuckDuckGo there still seems to be a bias in favour of pro-lockdown results but I usually do manage to find articles expressing opinions similar to my own. In DDG’s case I do not know if that is the result of inherent bias in the search algorithm or if its just due to what the media is most likely to report. I will try to look for a specific example for you.
    Maybe it's also because reality doesn't always align with your feelings.

    I'm curious about these specific examples, thus far I haven't been able to find any.
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    Honestly I tried searching a bunch of stuff on both DDG and Google, using a VPN with all tracking cleared, and I couldn't find a bias either way. If anything DDG was more likely to recommend news sources I'd see as much more sensationalist, like Vox and to a lesser extent Huffpo. Though notably DDG also had shittier results overall imo, Google showed me much more relevant and current stuff (searching "trump transition" on Google gave me results on the recent election, on DDG it gave me results of the Obama-Trump transition).

    I'd be curious to see specific examples of this so-called bias.
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    It is also a bit strange that you're claiming that these companies are in bed with the state and using the COVID lockdown as an example. I thought (assuming you're talking about the US) that the state is very heavily against such a lockdown, so wouldn't it be the exact opposite?
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    If any of the tech companies are pro-lockdown then they are doing so out of financial self-interest. You perhaps have a point in that various web services might be pro-lockdown because they get a huge surge in users, so long as those users convert in a profitable way. But I don't think that's the conclusion you're trying to bring forward.

    Do you have a single piece of evidence of these companies conspiring with governments in this way? Could you provide a specific example of how DuckDuckGo gives less biased results than Google?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Google and Twitter are indeed private corporations but the way their interests align with the State’s so often nowadays really has me wondering whether they are in bed with them. There is no easy answer in my view to the problem of Big Tech companies overstepping their boundaries to such an extent. Nationalizing them gives the government the ability to control what censored and what doesn’t. Regulating them is another story that already comes with its own set if problems.
    I'm pretty sure the only reason Twitter doesn't ban Trump is because he's president so I guess you're (probably unintentionally) right that their interests align with the state there. Twitter played a huge role in helping Trump get elected. Facebook even moreso. Google not as much IMO.

    None of them are public entities in the slightest. Any moderation they do is to maintain public image in the name of profit. They couldn't give less of a fuck about improving society or any sort of social justice or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Twitter, Facebook and Youtube are arguably not private entities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I did not make the claim that 'saying that someone's views are stupid' suppresses free speech. It depends on who says it.
    If Distorted says someone's views were stupid (assuming that someone were THERE, on the discord, and assuming that it was intended to reach that someone), it is pretty evidently made to stifle speech.
    If I say it? Who gives a shit? But it's a completely different matter when someone 'in charge' does it. Imagine if Justin Trudeau went ahead and said "oops is a retard and nobody should listen to him". How would you feel?

    Also, you're still talking about legal issues lol when I already agreed that from a legal standpoint you are totally in your right to ban someone from your site for being a Trump supporter. Just remember that when Slaol swung his admin dick around, he got demoted. For admin abuse. You or anyone, for that matter, hypothetically banning Trump supporters would fall in the same scenario for me.
    Sure, all of that makes sense.
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    No, you shouldn't do that. That's why you're free to react however you want to someone doing something like that to you.

    Banning someone from the site for expressing their views is exercising freedom of property. Nobody is obligated to provide resources for another to express their opinions, allowing them to do so is at the discretion of whoever is providing those resources. You are free to make your own site where you don't ban people, or ban people you disagree with.

    There is a difference between what "should" happen and what should be forced to happen. Yes, people should be awarded courtesy. You are also free to criticize those who don't provide courtesy, though some might make fun of you for bitching over it, maybe you have a point anyway. But none of that is against the principle of free speech. Complaining that someone is suppressing your free speech by saying your views are stupid and you're a dumbass, or even banning you from a site, is pretty bitchmade imo. And I'll vehemently oppose anyone that tries to restrict the right for people to use their property and words as they see fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Whether or not you agree doesn't mean you get to tell others you hate their views.
    Of course you can, you can say whatever you want. That's what free speech is.

    I'm fully free to tell you you're a fucking dumbass and that your views are straight up retarded. I could even ban you from the site if I wanted to, just for being a Trump supporter.

    Then you and others are free to respond however you want to me doing that, including calling me a libtard snowflake and leaving the site in mass.

    That's what freedom is. Not your pussified hugbox elementary school "everyone's opinions matter " bullshit.
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    This thread is performance art.
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    You've already used that line....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    Have you ever seen a vagina in real life that you didn't have to pay for?
    In a way pretty much all of us pay to see a vagina whether directly or indirectly.
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    Disgusting. This is the last straw for me. I’ve been an american citizen for 49 years and in all my time i’ve NEVER seen an election this bad. I’ve had ENOUGH! until you fix this country, I’ll moving to Hawaii where they actually know how to run a country. BYE!
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    I love seeing TRUMP lose, it's my daily medicine, my weekly energy, my monthly inspiration and my yearly motivation. His loss is the only reason i'm still alive, i was born to love and enjoy the failure that he has achieved.
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