November 13th, 2020, 02:14 AM
[QUOTE=Oberon;902796]I can’t tell if you agree with me, or think I’m being hypocritical for saying this.[/QUOTE]
Neither. For an example myself and Oops_Ur_Dead disagree frequently but we have found a way to express it to etch other while also learning from the others viewpoint. I just took issue with you saying "I really do wish people were actually capable of debating even to the slightest extent."
Originally Posted by
Oberon
I can’t tell if you agree with me, or think I’m being hypocritical for saying this.
Neither. For an example myself and Oops_Ur_Dead disagree frequently but we have found a way to express it to etch other while also learning from the others viewpoint. I just took issue with you saying "I really do wish people were actually capable of debating even to the slightest extent."
November 13th, 2020, 01:15 AM
[QUOTE=Oberon;902790]Lastly, I really do wish people were actually capable of debating even to the slightest extent.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by
Oberon
Lastly, I really do wish people were actually capable of debating even to the slightest extent.
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November 12th, 2020, 06:02 PM
So do you think riots are coming?
So do you think riots are coming?
November 12th, 2020, 11:35 AM
[QUOTE=Exeter350;902613]Am I the only one who sees a problem that people are allowed to shoot their mouths off irresponsibly without repercussions?[/QUOTE]
I am pretty sure inciting a riot is a punishable offence. I was actually put in handcuffs when I was like 14 for talking shit to some cops who were breaking up a metal concert we threw at a park under that justification.
Originally Posted by
Exeter350
Am I the only one who sees a problem that people are allowed to shoot their mouths off irresponsibly without repercussions?
I am pretty sure inciting a riot is a punishable offence. I was actually put in handcuffs when I was like 14 for talking shit to some cops who were breaking up a metal concert we threw at a park under that justification.
November 12th, 2020, 11:32 AM
I will point out though- The republicans may be protesting and rallied for fake news fraud but they are not lighting shit on fire, looting stores, and attacking cops like the democrats do. Imagine what would be going on right now if Trump had won.
I will point out though- The republicans may be protesting and rallied for fake news fraud but they are not lighting shit on fire, looting stores, and attacking cops like the democrats do. Imagine what would be going on right now if Trump had won.
November 11th, 2020, 09:32 PM
[QUOTE=Oberon;902465]Can I complain about how much I hate all the information surrounding this election? You have people alleging that some serious fraud took place in some states, and on the other hand you have State governors or whatnot literally going "no, it never happened, its all completely wrong". It pisses me off so much because I cannot tell whats true or whats not. For every allegation or rumour of fraud, there is an equivalent cry of 'FAKE NEWS!!!'[/QUOTE]
You can cut through that if you look at the legal arguments submitted. People can run their mouth and say whatever to the public but when they submit things to law they can not lie and have to provide evidence. Simply put- The things that are being said about fraud happening to the public are not being said at all to judges in courts because there would be legal repercussions.
This lawyer gives a decent breakdown of the majority of cases. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7iWECm_8E[/url]
Originally Posted by
Oberon
Can I complain about how much I hate all the information surrounding this election? You have people alleging that some serious fraud took place in some states, and on the other hand you have State governors or whatnot literally going "no, it never happened, its all completely wrong". It pisses me off so much because I cannot tell whats true or whats not. For every allegation or rumour of fraud, there is an equivalent cry of 'FAKE NEWS!!!'
You can cut through that if you look at the legal arguments submitted. People can run their mouth and say whatever to the public but when they submit things to law they can not lie and have to provide evidence. Simply put- The things that are being said about fraud happening to the public are not being said at all to judges in courts because there would be legal repercussions.
This lawyer gives a decent breakdown of the majority of cases. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7iWECm_8E
November 11th, 2020, 09:44 AM
[QUOTE=Oberon;902450]For the record I do believe the Republican Party lost its 'ideology' so to speak at some point. The great conservative George W. Bush left almost as many regulations in place by the time he left office as there were when he got elected: the Federal Register had ~83,000 pages when he got elected, and ~80,000 when he left office. In contrast, Trump reduced the size of the Federal Register by at least 25,000 pages between 2016 and 2019.
In addition, at a debate (I believe it was during the Republican Primaries in 2015) between Republican candidates one of them mentioned increasing minimum wage as a campaign policy; I don't remember who (I believe it was Trump, although I may be mistaken) who shut down the proposal, stating that America was not built on minimum wage.
If you look at the Federal Register in general, there's a pattern where during the times when a Democrat was President, the Federal Register increased in size (I believe Harry Truman's presidency is the sole exception). In contrast, look at Ronald Reagan and Trump. They both reduced the size of the Register while in power.
Of course, you still have Republicans like Nixon and Eisenhower (Eisenhower actually continued the New Deal) who actually increased the size of the register.[/QUOTE]
I had never considered looking at the Register. I will have to look into that.
My biggest issues with trump outside of his rhetoric was that he stood for whats best for corporations over citizens. I am not sad to see him go but I am a little afraid of Biden screwing with the supreme court.
[QUOTE=Zedus;902453]You have 2 parties who wanted to spit on the problems of the people and lobby only the interests of their sponsors. And no way some real, 3rd party can appear in USA without being sponsored by some fat wallet.[/QUOTE]
I feel like this is very well said. Although I would add that the voting structure necessitates a 2 party system.
Originally Posted by
Oberon
For the record I do believe the Republican Party lost its 'ideology' so to speak at some point. The great conservative George W. Bush left almost as many regulations in place by the time he left office as there were when he got elected: the Federal Register had ~83,000 pages when he got elected, and ~80,000 when he left office. In contrast, Trump reduced the size of the Federal Register by at least 25,000 pages between 2016 and 2019.
In addition, at a debate (I believe it was during the Republican Primaries in 2015) between Republican candidates one of them mentioned increasing minimum wage as a campaign policy; I don't remember who (I believe it was Trump, although I may be mistaken) who shut down the proposal, stating that America was not built on minimum wage.
If you look at the Federal Register in general, there's a pattern where during the times when a Democrat was President, the Federal Register increased in size (I believe Harry Truman's presidency is the sole exception). In contrast, look at Ronald Reagan and Trump. They both reduced the size of the Register while in power.
Of course, you still have Republicans like Nixon and Eisenhower (Eisenhower actually continued the New Deal) who actually increased the size of the register.
I had never considered looking at the Register. I will have to look into that.
My biggest issues with trump outside of his rhetoric was that he stood for whats best for corporations over citizens. I am not sad to see him go but I am a little afraid of Biden screwing with the supreme court.
Originally Posted by
Zedus
You have 2 parties who wanted to spit on the problems of the people and lobby only the interests of their sponsors. And no way some real, 3rd party can appear in USA without being sponsored by some fat wallet.
I feel like this is very well said. Although I would add that the voting structure necessitates a 2 party system.
November 11th, 2020, 08:32 AM
[QUOTE=Oberon;902442]How are they identical?[/QUOTE]
On a fundamental level they push cosmetic solutions while preserving systemic problems. They both leverage suffering to gain power under the guise of 'change.' But then if you give them 4-8 years we have the exact same issues.
Originally Posted by
Oberon
How are they identical?
On a fundamental level they push cosmetic solutions while preserving systemic problems. They both leverage suffering to gain power under the guise of 'change.' But then if you give them 4-8 years we have the exact same issues.
November 11th, 2020, 08:27 AM
[QUOTE=yzb25;902437]It's partially an American thing, if my understanding is correct. You guys have a really dramatic culture. You love bombastic movies and documentaries. It's interesting that you naturally draw a connection between elections and sporting events, because the rest of the world doesn't necessarily make that sort of connection. When I watch American news coverage of elections, it feels very reminiscent of a sporting event. There's also a really powerful sense of national identity, which doesn't always exist elsewhere, and much more investment in what happens to the country.[/QUOTE]
Thats interesting. I suppose I havent been traveling enough in the last few years. I kinda assumed the rest of the world was following a similar trend. Poor assumption on my part I suppose.
[QUOTE=Zedus;902440]That's really funny to see the "contest" between two absolutely identical parties, which pretend to have fundamental differences.[/QUOTE]
I do love hearing this from someone else.
Originally Posted by
yzb25
It's partially an American thing, if my understanding is correct. You guys have a really dramatic culture. You love bombastic movies and documentaries. It's interesting that you naturally draw a connection between elections and sporting events, because the rest of the world doesn't necessarily make that sort of connection. When I watch American news coverage of elections, it feels very reminiscent of a sporting event. There's also a really powerful sense of national identity, which doesn't always exist elsewhere, and much more investment in what happens to the country.
Thats interesting. I suppose I havent been traveling enough in the last few years. I kinda assumed the rest of the world was following a similar trend. Poor assumption on my part I suppose.
Originally Posted by
Zedus
That's really funny to see the "contest" between two absolutely identical parties, which pretend to have fundamental differences.
I do love hearing this from someone else.
November 11th, 2020, 03:49 AM
I never understood people being so emotional about an election or sports. I get that theres shared emotions tied to seeing 'your team' win or loose but when it causes some emotional breakdown and becomes the most important thing in your life I just don't understand. Maybe its a thing for people that don't have anything else in their life?
Or more likely some people just crave drama.
I never understood people being so emotional about an election or sports. I get that theres shared emotions tied to seeing 'your team' win or loose but when it causes some emotional breakdown and becomes the most important thing in your life I just don't understand. Maybe its a thing for people that don't have anything else in their life?
Or more likely some people just crave drama.