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Cujo here. I would like to respectfully appeal the punishment for Possible Griefing on my part.

First, Possible Griefing does not seem to be a punishable offense--Griefing does. Not sure why I was punished for something that is not a rule. Second, Griefing is trolling a game in an attempt to ruin a game--I did not do that. Please rewatch the replay from my perspective. As will become evident, I was attempting to win the game for town the entire time. I used a strategy involving deceit, which is the name of the game in mafia. My strategy would have won us the game had PH not engaged in Intentional Gamethrowing. Pay close attention to my PMs; I was coordinating with townies to win. I even told 15 that I was mayor and confirmed to 15 that 14 was PH. Also pay close attention to my detailed LW.

Arrow asserts that I was "derailing the game" with my fabricated claim that I was PH when in reality I was mayor. However, I was keeping us both alive. Creating chaos and uncertainty in the game is a frequent--and effective--strategy. My behavior suggested to the rest of the players I was one of three things: (1) the PH (and as a result, town prot might be on me--deterring evils from attacking me); (2) evil (and as a result, evils will be deterred from attacking me); or (3) a jester (and as a result, evils would be wasting their time attacking me). If either myself or PH would be put up to the stand, I would reveal and vouch for either of us. Additionally, BG was dead, I was not going to out myself by revealing until I had the votes AND I was certain who was evil, which would be D6. The second I revealed would make it obvious that I was mayor AND that 14 was PH--making us prime targets as confirmed townies. But by D6 we would have had the votes. However, I died N5, which stopped me from bringing my plan to fruition. I was prepared for that, however, and made a detailed LW vindicating 14 as PH.

I had a very detailed LW setting out the suspected roles of everyone in the game and the possible types of roles left in the game. This is not the behavior of someone who is trying to "ruin the game" (i.e., griefing). Arrow disagrees with my strategy of not revealing by D5, which is fair, but a differing of opinion on what strategy is best certainly is not a punishable offense--especially when Arrow is viewing the game in hindsight with all of the available information.

Again, I would like to reiterate that not a single action of mine in that game was intended to ruin the game. I was acting to win the game for town. Creating chaos and confusion is a legitimate strategy--especially when I am the town gov with several votes. Furthermore, I had kept town (e.g., 15) in the loop. My strategy and in game actions made evident that I had one goal: to win the game for town.

I would also like to note that I received the same punishment for Possible Griefing as did the person for Intentional Gamethrowing. I do not think that the same punishment should be given for an intentional game thrower as is given to someone who possibly griefed. Moreover, I did not even grief; Arrow's description of "Possible Griefing" is further evidence that not even he was sure that I had griefed. I should not have been Watch Listed at all, let alone for the same magnitude as the intentional Gamethrower.

Finally, the facts of this replay would have to be VERY different in order for any actions on my part to constitute griefing. One scenario would be if PH was voted up and I either failed to vouch for him or voted guilty. In that scenario, I would have caused a townie--who I knew to likely be town--to die, which would have contributed to town's loss. However, 14 was never put on trial. Another scenario would be if I was put on trial and I failed to reveal. That would indicate my attempt to ruin the game. Another possible way I could have griefed would be by revealing and then voting 14 up for trial. I never did that either. There are endless ways I could have griefed, and I did not partake in any act to constitute griefing.

For the aforementioned reasons, I respectfully request that my punishment for Possible Griefing be set aside.

Cujo here. I would like to respectfully appeal the punishment for Possible Griefing on my part.

First, Possible Griefing does not seem to be a punishable offense--Griefing does. Not sure why I was punished for something that is not a rule. Second, Griefing is trolling a game in an attempt to ruin a game--I did not do that. Please rewatch the replay from my perspective. As will become evident, I was attempting to win the game for town the entire time. I used a strategy involving deceit, which is the name of the game in mafia. My strategy would have won us the game had PH not engaged in Intentional Gamethrowing. Pay close attention to my PMs; I was coordinating with townies to win. I even told 15 that I was mayor and confirmed to 15 that 14 was PH. Also pay close attention to my detailed LW.

Arrow asserts that I was "derailing the game" with my fabricated claim that I was PH when in reality I was mayor. However, I was keeping us both alive. Creating chaos and uncertainty in the game is a frequent--and effective--strategy. My behavior suggested to the rest of the players I was one of three things: (1) the PH (and as a result, town prot might be on me--deterring evils from attacking me); (2) evil (and as a result, evils will be deterred from attacking me); or (3) a jester (and as a result, evils would be wasting their time attacking me). If either myself or PH would be put up to the stand, I would reveal and vouch for either of us. Additionally, BG was dead, I was not going to out myself by revealing until I had the votes AND I was certain who was evil, which would be D6. The second I revealed would make it obvious that I was mayor AND that 14 was PH--making us prime targets as confirmed townies. But by D6 we would have had the votes. However, I died N5, which stopped me from bringing my plan to fruition. I was prepared for that, however, and made a detailed LW vindicating 14 as PH.

I had a very detailed LW setting out the suspected roles of everyone in the game and the possible types of roles left in the game. This is not the behavior of someone who is trying to "ruin the game" (i.e., griefing). Arrow disagrees with my strategy of not revealing by D5, which is fair, but a differing of opinion on what strategy is best certainly is not a punishable offense--especially when Arrow is viewing the game in hindsight with all of the available information.

Again, I would like to reiterate that not a single action of mine in that game was intended to ruin the game. I was acting to win the game for town. Creating chaos and confusion is a legitimate strategy--especially when I am the town gov with several votes. Furthermore, I had kept town (e.g., 15) in the loop. My strategy and in game actions made evident that I had one goal: to win the game for town.

I would also like to note that I received the same punishment for Possible Griefing as did the person for Intentional Gamethrowing. I do not think that the same punishment should be given for an intentional game thrower as is given to someone who possibly griefed. Moreover, I did not even grief; Arrow's description of "Possible Griefing" is further evidence that not even he was sure that I had griefed. I should not have been Watch Listed at all, let alone for the same magnitude as the intentional Gamethrower.

Finally, the facts of this replay would have to be VERY different in order for any actions on my part to constitute griefing. One scenario would be if PH was voted up and I either failed to vouch for him or voted guilty. In that scenario, I would have caused a townie--who I knew to likely be town--to die, which would have contributed to town's loss. However, 14 was never put on trial. Another scenario would be if I was put on trial and I failed to reveal. That would indicate my attempt to ruin the game. Another possible way I could have griefed would be by revealing and then voting 14 up for trial. I never did that either. There are endless ways I could have griefed, and I did not partake in any act to constitute griefing.

For the aforementioned reasons, I respectfully request that my punishment for Possible Griefing be set aside.

Account Name: supernoob
Account ID: 1-S2-1-3052872
In-Game Name: I didnt back up my bank

Crimes Committed: Intentional Game-throwing

Your Account Name: Cujo

Summary: Myself, another, and supernoob were triad. 5 people left in game, we had whole triad. supernoob innos the vigi we had up and puts me up, then guilties me. I am lynched. Witch controls dh and vigil to win the game for himself. Triad lost as a result of this game throw.

supernoob lynched me because I guilted him earlier in the game. I had lost credibility with the town after lynching a townie and being obnoxious about it. So, when supernoob was up I was obnoxious again, yelling guilty, to get the town to inno him. It worked. He was angry I had guilted him and intentionally game threw, admitting it in death chat.

The Throwing begins at 20:08.

Account Name: supernoob
Account ID: 1-S2-1-3052872
In-Game Name: I didnt back up my bank

Crimes Committed: Intentional Game-throwing

Your Account Name: Cujo

Summary: Myself, another, and supernoob were triad. 5 people left in game, we had whole triad. supernoob innos the vigi we had up and puts me up, then guilties me. I am lynched. Witch controls dh and vigil to win the game for himself. Triad lost as a result of this game throw.

supernoob lynched me because I guilted him earlier in the game. I had lost credibility with the town after lynching a townie and being obnoxious about it. So, when supernoob was up I was obnoxious again, yelling guilty, to get the town to inno him. It worked. He was angry I had guilted him and intentionally game threw, admitting it in death chat.

The Throwing begins at 20:08.