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Hurray for being difficult.
Sorry guys, lol :p. 'ppreciate the effort.

Hurray for being difficult.
Sorry guys, lol . 'ppreciate the effort.

Account Name: Mentar
Account ID: 1-S2-1-4213632
Your Realm:
Approximate Points: Over 20,000

There are old replays of mine attached to my threads in the reports section. The most recent one i could see in the publicly viewable part of it is this one: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30326-Shinkiro-1-S2-1-4150776[/url]

If only i could get all the achievements back too :(

Account Name: Mentar
Account ID: 1-S2-1-4213632
Your Realm:
Approximate Points: Over 20,000

There are old replays of mine attached to my threads in the reports section. The most recent one i could see in the publicly viewable part of it is this one: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...1-S2-1-4150776

If only i could get all the achievements back too

[QUOTE=AgentKiller;484134]
Triad : 1 Informant (Any Random)
[/QUOTE]

I've had that happen to me, pulled triad administrator as any random and becomes enforcer when alone was turned off. pretended to be investigator all game. almost got away with it too, they realised what was up near the end.

Originally Posted by AgentKiller

Triad : 1 Informant (Any Random)

I've had that happen to me, pulled triad administrator as any random and becomes enforcer when alone was turned off. pretended to be investigator all game. almost got away with it too, they realised what was up near the end.

it's hard to disagree. it'd be nice not to see threads titled "niggers" every time i look at the recent posts page.

it's hard to disagree. it'd be nice not to see threads titled "niggers" every time i look at the recent posts page.

[QUOTE=AgentKiller;482720]It was just a thought and I feel like it would help for those that put depth into their last wills, and I do see people read them a lot, I'm one of them.[/QUOTE]

i dunno, i kinda like that they're short. Forces you to be concise and keep it to key information, can't just chuck everything in there.

Originally Posted by AgentKiller

It was just a thought and I feel like it would help for those that put depth into their last wills, and I do see people read them a lot, I'm one of them.

i dunno, i kinda like that they're short. Forces you to be concise and keep it to key information, can't just chuck everything in there.

[QUOTE=Water;482012]I think they should reward bonus points for winning with less people. It makes the game exciting... [/QUOTE]

i don't think so, it'll just promote people killing the neut evil at the end of the game all the time, making neut evil a lot harder to win as. Just leave the reward the same for either case and let the player decide what they want to do.

There's nothing more frustrating than helping a fairly bad sk through the game as judge, essentially being the only reason he made it to the end, then having him stab you in the back when its down to 1 town left.

Originally Posted by Water

I think they should reward bonus points for winning with less people. It makes the game exciting...

i don't think so, it'll just promote people killing the neut evil at the end of the game all the time, making neut evil a lot harder to win as. Just leave the reward the same for either case and let the player decide what they want to do.

There's nothing more frustrating than helping a fairly bad sk through the game as judge, essentially being the only reason he made it to the end, then having him stab you in the back when its down to 1 town left.

[QUOTE=Water;481896]I died way too many times to lying scum claiming investi. So maybe it's a personal thing.
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Yeah invest roles are easier than a lot of people think to fake claim. Newbies claim doc because it's easy to make up a lw for it, but invests are actually fairly easy to fake a lw for too. Detective lws can be pieced together from what people have idly mentioned happening to them during the game, that's why I'm always wary of invest lws that contain things that people have let slip on previous days, it's not really new information. And having gotten away with claiming invest earlier makes it easier to convince town to lynch someone later on the game, like when the real invest tries to claim :P

Originally Posted by Water

I died way too many times to lying scum claiming investi. So maybe it's a personal thing.

Yeah invest roles are easier than a lot of people think to fake claim. Newbies claim doc because it's easy to make up a lw for it, but invests are actually fairly easy to fake a lw for too. Detective lws can be pieced together from what people have idly mentioned happening to them during the game, that's why I'm always wary of invest lws that contain things that people have let slip on previous days, it's not really new information. And having gotten away with claiming invest earlier makes it easier to convince town to lynch someone later on the game, like when the real invest tries to claim :P

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;481824]I kill anybody that calls me a Kidnapper. I swear, town never calls someone kidnapper in jail lol.[/QUOTE]

I've gotten many people to cancel executes by calling them a kidnapper :p. granted i was evil a few of those times but not always :p.

it usually goes.

"detective/doctor/whatever"
"executes*"
"So you're a kidnapper then :("
"unexecutes*"

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

I kill anybody that calls me a Kidnapper. I swear, town never calls someone kidnapper in jail lol.

I've gotten many people to cancel executes by calling them a kidnapper . granted i was evil a few of those times but not always .

it usually goes.

"detective/doctor/whatever"
"executes*"
"So you're a kidnapper then "
"unexecutes*"

[QUOTE=Arrow;481780]Also, I believe Cryptonic is correct.[/QUOTE]

I always thought a fair and simple way to handle would be to just whoever entered the -jail command 1st gets the successful jail. That way it comes down to whoever had the presence of mind to work out the other guy is the enemy jailor/kidnapper 1st.

Originally Posted by Arrow

Also, I believe Cryptonic is correct.

I always thought a fair and simple way to handle would be to just whoever entered the -jail command 1st gets the successful jail. That way it comes down to whoever had the presence of mind to work out the other guy is the enemy jailor/kidnapper 1st.

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481674]
its 5 and a half month old. you think im gonna re read it? oh wait i already did and just asked once[/QUOTE]

Oh, I'm sorry. It was totally unreasonable of me to assume you have read the thread you're posting in when it's YOUR thread.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

its 5 and a half month old. you think im gonna re read it? oh wait i already did and just asked once

Oh, I'm sorry. It was totally unreasonable of me to assume you have read the thread you're posting in when it's YOUR thread.

[QUOTE=Bigtalon;481563]I do agree though, The game is called Mafia, yet the Mafia is like the weakest group in the game, Rename it to Town, or Triad cause the Mafia ain't shit :D[/QUOTE]

you could argue that semantically it makes sense for mafia to be the one that wins ties instead of triad given the games name, but really it's such a small thing that literally makes no difference to the game.

Originally Posted by Bigtalon

I do agree though, The game is called Mafia, yet the Mafia is like the weakest group in the game, Rename it to Town, or Triad cause the Mafia ain't shit

you could argue that semantically it makes sense for mafia to be the one that wins ties instead of triad given the games name, but really it's such a small thing that literally makes no difference to the game.

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481551]you're very clever to think 1v2 / 1v3 is easier than 1v1

fag[/QUOTE]

it's been explained to you several times, your inability to grasp simple concepts like "if its 3v1 you're losing, it's supposed to be hard" and "the game doesn't auto-end until it's 1v1", is your problem.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

you're very clever to think 1v2 / 1v3 is easier than 1v1

fag

it's been explained to you several times, your inability to grasp simple concepts like "if its 3v1 you're losing, it's supposed to be hard" and "the game doesn't auto-end until it's 1v1", is your problem.

Of course it matters who the balthies are. Mainly because bath is probably hoping he can get unbanned at some point and having everyone think he's creating multiple smurf accounts to circumvent his ban is going to hurt that significantly. But even if he isnt we don't like blaming people for things they didn't do; we're fair like that.

Of course it matters who the balthies are. Mainly because bath is probably hoping he can get unbanned at some point and having everyone think he's creating multiple smurf accounts to circumvent his ban is going to hurt that significantly. But even if he isnt we don't like blaming people for things they didn't do; we're fair like that.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;481274]I get jailed and attacked n1 frequently. They don't believe I was attacked and execute me n2. That logic can give you a lead but relying on that only is broken logic.[/QUOTE]

best thing to do in that case really is to just rejail on night 2.

If they're the killing role then you've prevented 2 kills and can continue blocking his kills for as long as you please buying the rest of town plenty of extra days to find the other evils, leave the info in your lw so they can lynch him if you get killed by the other killer in the game.

If he's not the killer he's unlikely to be targeted again after being immune the 1st time, and there'll likely be a kill, confirming he's not the killer and you avoid lynching someone who's likely to be town.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

I get jailed and attacked n1 frequently. They don't believe I was attacked and execute me n2. That logic can give you a lead but relying on that only is broken logic.

best thing to do in that case really is to just rejail on night 2.

If they're the killing role then you've prevented 2 kills and can continue blocking his kills for as long as you please buying the rest of town plenty of extra days to find the other evils, leave the info in your lw so they can lynch him if you get killed by the other killer in the game.

If he's not the killer he's unlikely to be targeted again after being immune the 1st time, and there'll likely be a kill, confirming he's not the killer and you avoid lynching someone who's likely to be town.

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481301]
if you cant simply say a mod said it
[/QUOTE]

*facepalm* I linked you to it, and banana quoted the exact post for you. Did you want us to erect a billboard in front of your house saying it too?

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481301]
you keep talking about stuff thats none of ur business
[/QUOTE]

it's a forum man

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481301]
all of you start acting with wierd responses and makes disorder in the thread, based on one question i asked if he could see reports thats not been validated yet (even tho guessed he couldn't since hes namecolor is white)
[/QUOTE]

Dude ... we answered your question, simply and directly. You then went on another classic hissy fit about it having nothing to do with anything even though it was a direct answer to a question you asked. If you just continued the conversion normally instead of snapping at people who answer your questions there wouldn't be 'disorder' in the thread.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

if you cant simply say a mod said it

*facepalm* I linked you to it, and banana quoted the exact post for you. Did you want us to erect a billboard in front of your house saying it too?

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

you keep talking about stuff thats none of ur business

it's a forum man

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

all of you start acting with wierd responses and makes disorder in the thread, based on one question i asked if he could see reports thats not been validated yet (even tho guessed he couldn't since hes namecolor is white)

Dude ... we answered your question, simply and directly. You then went on another classic hissy fit about it having nothing to do with anything even though it was a direct answer to a question you asked. If you just continued the conversion normally instead of snapping at people who answer your questions there wouldn't be 'disorder' in the thread.

[QUOTE=SparkNuts;481279]Was this all for a marshall that typed -lynch right before he was put on trial? Ive seen that, and much worse.[/QUOTE]

Twouldst appeareth so

Originally Posted by SparkNuts

Was this all for a marshall that typed -lynch right before he was put on trial? Ive seen that, and much worse.

Twouldst appeareth so

[QUOTE=SparkNuts;481295]I agree I love that show, the last episode was pretty awesome.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but mine keep coming out of the oven burnt, i think i'm cooking them on too high a temperature.

Originally Posted by SparkNuts

I agree I love that show, the last episode was pretty awesome.

Yeah but mine keep coming out of the oven burnt, i think i'm cooking them on too high a temperature.

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481275]no cause i read the OP and not all the other comments. if you want you can quote a comment where the MOD said blabla that balthy reported it.
[/QUOTE]

*facepalm*, banana quoted the exact part for you.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

no cause i read the OP and not all the other comments. if you want you can quote a comment where the MOD said blabla that balthy reported it.

*facepalm*, banana quoted the exact part for you.

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481255]
yeah mentar, still doesn't mean ur comment has anything to do with nothing of whats been said so far :laugh:
[/QUOTE]

Honestly, how do you function in life. I keep picturing you walking into walls then getting confused and saying "what does that have to do with anything" when someone tries to explain there's a door.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

yeah mentar, still doesn't mean ur comment has anything to do with nothing of whats been said so far

Honestly, how do you function in life. I keep picturing you walking into walls then getting confused and saying "what does that have to do with anything" when someone tries to explain there's a door.

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481180]how's that related to my comment? [spoiler=][IMG]https://keatsmampusti.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/meme_confused.jpg[/IMG][/spoiler]
you still cant read un approved reports*

did you read what bananachucho said? = Balthy himself [COLOR="#FF0000"]reported[/COLOR] them already.[/QUOTE]

*sigh*. a mod in that thread WHO CAN SEE REPORTS BEFORE THEY ARE PROCESSED said balthy had reported them himself.

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Originally Posted by MasterNinja

how's that related to my comment?

Spoiler : :

you still cant read un approved reports*

did you read what bananachucho said? = Balthy himself reported them already.

*sigh*. a mod in that thread WHO CAN SEE REPORTS BEFORE THEY ARE PROCESSED said balthy had reported them himself.

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481160]i didn't knew you could see reports thats not validated yet :smile:[/QUOTE]

he reads the forum.
[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/31375-Be-Warned-Hes-back-in-force[/url]

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

i didn't knew you could see reports thats not validated yet

he reads the forum.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-back-in-force

That's it, put on the stupid helmet.

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That's it, put on the stupid helmet.

[QUOTE=SparkNuts;480392]Oh you edited your post. [/QUOTE]

Lol, yeah i do that. I should really decide what i want to say before i hit post :p.

Originally Posted by SparkNuts

Oh you edited your post.

Lol, yeah i do that. I should really decide what i want to say before i hit post .

it's really not that complicated.

Playing against your win condition = game throwing.

There's a grey area in that someone can APPEAR to be gamethrowing, but really just taking a strange approach to trying to win. Like siding with town, working with them, then later winning on your own; if it fails it can look like you were gamethrowing.

The mods are pretty understanding. If any of those reported players you mentioned had posted in the report thread and had been able to explain that what they did was part of a plan to try and win in some silly WIFOM kind of way, they probably would have gotten off.

As long as you can justify it as an attempt to win (even if it's winning in an unnecessarily hard way), you're golden.

it's really not that complicated.

Playing against your win condition = game throwing.

There's a grey area in that someone can APPEAR to be gamethrowing, but really just taking a strange approach to trying to win. Like siding with town, working with them, then later winning on your own; if it fails it can look like you were gamethrowing.

The mods are pretty understanding. If any of those reported players you mentioned had posted in the report thread and had been able to explain that what they did was part of a plan to try and win in some silly WIFOM kind of way, they probably would have gotten off.

As long as you can justify it as an attempt to win (even if it's winning in an unnecessarily hard way), you're golden.

your suggestion involves ~8 new roles :p. that's a lot of work, and didn't they hit some kind of limit on the amount of triggers/code in a sc2 map or something?

your suggestion involves ~8 new roles . that's a lot of work, and didn't they hit some kind of limit on the amount of triggers/code in a sc2 map or something?

[QUOTE=Sino;480020]
Death notes often lead to mislynches, i'm surprised you guys didn't mention them.
[/QUOTE]

I got someone lynched for having the name travolta.

I left a DN hint about who i was, "face off" (as in the movie, starring nicholas cage and john travolta). So town trialed and lynched the guy called travolta. The next day they trialed me cause my name was cage but i gave them a fake det lw and convinced them the mm was just screwing with them. Left deathnotes all game with fairly obvious 'hints' about who i was, ended up winning, fun times :).

Originally Posted by Sino

Death notes often lead to mislynches, i'm surprised you guys didn't mention them.

I got someone lynched for having the name travolta.

I left a DN hint about who i was, "face off" (as in the movie, starring nicholas cage and john travolta). So town trialed and lynched the guy called travolta. The next day they trialed me cause my name was cage but i gave them a fake det lw and convinced them the mm was just screwing with them. Left deathnotes all game with fairly obvious 'hints' about who i was, ended up winning, fun times .

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;479854]
Convincing stubborn ppl who are fighting for control of the town is the worst part rofl
[/QUOTE]

I'd say the hardest part of the game is when it's [B]town[/B] not evils that are deliberately lying / giving false information / completely made up accusations. I.e [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30739-The-Ways-Of-The-Sheriff-Jailor[/url]

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Convincing stubborn ppl who are fighting for control of the town is the worst part rofl

I'd say the hardest part of the game is when it's town not evils that are deliberately lying / giving false information / completely made up accusations. I.e https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...Sheriff-Jailor

There's this report that i made a few months ago which got put on hold for balthy.

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/28622-UseOfAlcohol-1-S2-1-5985399-Balthy-1-S2-1-4585283[/url]

The accountID seems to be different, but the same account name (Balthy) and using the same in game names (Akemi Homura, TAFKAL, NOUS VOILA). probably just an alternate/older account?.

maybe merge it in here so balthy can see it.

There's this report that i made a few months ago which got put on hold for balthy.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...1-S2-1-4585283

The accountID seems to be different, but the same account name (Balthy) and using the same in game names (Akemi Homura, TAFKAL, NOUS VOILA). probably just an alternate/older account?.

maybe merge it in here so balthy can see it.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;479684]logic like "you can't be blackmailed, vet killed blackmailer". RIP in pieces.
[/QUOTE]

i think most people have no idea that when people visit vet their night actions actually do get applied, i.e vet IS blackmailed when blackmailer dies to him. People seem to think hes immune to everything when alerting.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

logic like "you can't be blackmailed, vet killed blackmailer". RIP in pieces.

i think most people have no idea that when people visit vet their night actions actually do get applied, i.e vet IS blackmailed when blackmailer dies to him. People seem to think hes immune to everything when alerting.

[QUOTE=Firebringer;479679]I love lynches where players don't understand how roles work. [/QUOTE]

"i'm mason leader and i couldn't recruit him, he's mafia!" being the classic :p.

Originally Posted by Firebringer

I love lynches where players don't understand how roles work.

"i'm mason leader and i couldn't recruit him, he's mafia!" being the classic .

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;479586]
I mean, -lw takes like 0.2 seconds to type. I can open my lw and update it in ~5 seconds, so maybe it's just a WPM issue?
[/QUOTE]

Same, except when it bugs to hell.

I get the wierdest thing where i type and it keeps 'jumping' back a second or 2, losing what you just typed. it only ever happens when typing in the lw box in sc2mafia and when it does happen it tends happen again and again and again while im typing. i've had lw's that took me all night to update simply because it kept erasing chunks of text as i wrote. And when the cursor suddenly jumps to a different spot in the texbox for no reason while i'm typing, maddening.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

I mean, -lw takes like 0.2 seconds to type. I can open my lw and update it in ~5 seconds, so maybe it's just a WPM issue?

Same, except when it bugs to hell.

I get the wierdest thing where i type and it keeps 'jumping' back a second or 2, losing what you just typed. it only ever happens when typing in the lw box in sc2mafia and when it does happen it tends happen again and again and again while im typing. i've had lw's that took me all night to update simply because it kept erasing chunks of text as i wrote. And when the cursor suddenly jumps to a different spot in the texbox for no reason while i'm typing, maddening.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;479270]both are terrible. so no.[/QUOTE]

I'll have you know i put seconds of work into that, i deserve compensation!

Originally Posted by SuperJack

both are terrible. so no.

I'll have you know i put seconds of work into that, i deserve compensation!

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;479062]1000 lightyears from now,[/QUOTE]

A million nerds are grinding their teeth :p.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

1000 lightyears from now,

A million nerds are grinding their teeth .

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super jack.


you're welcome

super jack.


you're welcome

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;478954]have you tested?[/QUOTE]

every time the witch has found a vigilante. same goes for jailing.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

have you tested?

every time the witch has found a vigilante. same goes for jailing.

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;478951]If i control a victim to target someone, but my victim is role blocked. will he be roleblocked or will witch override it?[/QUOTE]

he will be roleblocked take no action.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

If i control a victim to target someone, but my victim is role blocked. will he be roleblocked or will witch override it?

he will be roleblocked take no action.

[QUOTE=Mentar;478938]
The only way that should be possible is if that enforcer was an informant, and became enforcer after killing. but that doesnt make sense when dh is still alive and obviously kill capable.[/QUOTE]

Called it.

10 - callou, starts the game as an informant.

Night 1
- 10 (informant) attacks 9 and steals his identity.
- 13 (auditor) targets 10 and turns him into an enforcer.

No bug here folks

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;478930]unknown role without maf/triad doing it?[/QUOTE]

c'mon man, you were on triad team (as per your screenshot), you knew full well you had an informant and he killed.

Originally Posted by Mentar

The only way that should be possible is if that enforcer was an informant, and became enforcer after killing. but that doesnt make sense when dh is still alive and obviously kill capable.

Called it.

10 - callou, starts the game as an informant.

Night 1
- 10 (informant) attacks 9 and steals his identity.
- 13 (auditor) targets 10 and turns him into an enforcer.

No bug here folks

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

unknown role without maf/triad doing it?

c'mon man, you were on triad team (as per your screenshot), you knew full well you had an informant and he killed.

another question is why was there 2 "riddled with bullets" kills on the same night.

The only way that should be possible is if that enforcer was an informant, and became enforcer after killing. but that doesnt make sense when dh is still alive and obviously kill capable.

another question is why was there 2 "riddled with bullets" kills on the same night.

The only way that should be possible is if that enforcer was an informant, and became enforcer after killing. but that doesnt make sense when dh is still alive and obviously kill capable.

:(

Now who's going to fix it when i name myself five in yellow text and dont get #5 etc :p

Now who's going to fix it when i name myself five in yellow text and dont get #5 etc

Spy's can be pretty powerful tho. But you need someone that's collecting roles/lw's (mayor etc) to make full use of it.

A spy can give you a lw like:
N1 - Attack 15, visit 3 and 5, N2 - attack 7, visit 2 and 6, N3 - attack 6, visit 1 and 13.

Then a detective claim gives you the lw:
N1 - 3 to 7, N2 - 2 to 15, N3 - 13 to 4.

What are the odds that the 'detective' just coincidentally visited the exact same people the mafia were visiting each night, vs being an agent :).

if i've got a spy claim, i ALWAYS ask them for a proper lw of who mafia visited each night, and compare it to any lw's given by someone claiming a role that has a mafia variant (escort etc).

another classic spy lead is "mafia attacked 7, but hes alive and he didn't claim healed".

The role has plenty of usefulness. it's just that it requires a bit of thought on the part of the player to work it out, as opposed to invest roles that give you usable information straight up. i really dont like giving it an ability that would allow spys to confirm themselves as town easily,

literally anyone could just go "i just pmed 7, what did i say", "ok your confirmed".

atm you 'confirm' spys by how co-operative they are and the usefulness of their information. Good spys are useful and productive, bad ones arn't. And it's a role that mafia can fake, honestly we need more roles like that, not less.

Spy's can be pretty powerful tho. But you need someone that's collecting roles/lw's (mayor etc) to make full use of it.

A spy can give you a lw like:
N1 - Attack 15, visit 3 and 5, N2 - attack 7, visit 2 and 6, N3 - attack 6, visit 1 and 13.

Then a detective claim gives you the lw:
N1 - 3 to 7, N2 - 2 to 15, N3 - 13 to 4.

What are the odds that the 'detective' just coincidentally visited the exact same people the mafia were visiting each night, vs being an agent .

if i've got a spy claim, i ALWAYS ask them for a proper lw of who mafia visited each night, and compare it to any lw's given by someone claiming a role that has a mafia variant (escort etc).

another classic spy lead is "mafia attacked 7, but hes alive and he didn't claim healed".

The role has plenty of usefulness. it's just that it requires a bit of thought on the part of the player to work it out, as opposed to invest roles that give you usable information straight up. i really dont like giving it an ability that would allow spys to confirm themselves as town easily,

literally anyone could just go "i just pmed 7, what did i say", "ok your confirmed".

atm you 'confirm' spys by how co-operative they are and the usefulness of their information. Good spys are useful and productive, bad ones arn't. And it's a role that mafia can fake, honestly we need more roles like that, not less.

marshall is fine. as slaol said it's pretty balanced in that it depends on the ability of the player behind the screen to interpret the information hes gettting. But it depends on the other players too, other town has to pm him and give him accurate clear information.

At least half of the "bad" marshalls i've seen didn't lynch wrong because they screwed up, they followed the information they were given and lynched with decent logic behind their decisions, they only lynched wrong because townies either didn't claim roles or gave unclear information.

Ironically it's often the same townies who gave the wrong information / didn't roleclaim which resulted in the incorrect lynches who are the 1st to start bitching about them "fail marshall/mayor!, WTF shit marshall!". "fucking noob, whyd you lynch me (after refusing to roleclaim)"

marshall is fine. as slaol said it's pretty balanced in that it depends on the ability of the player behind the screen to interpret the information hes gettting. But it depends on the other players too, other town has to pm him and give him accurate clear information.

At least half of the "bad" marshalls i've seen didn't lynch wrong because they screwed up, they followed the information they were given and lynched with decent logic behind their decisions, they only lynched wrong because townies either didn't claim roles or gave unclear information.

Ironically it's often the same townies who gave the wrong information / didn't roleclaim which resulted in the incorrect lynches who are the 1st to start bitching about them "fail marshall/mayor!, WTF shit marshall!". "fucking noob, whyd you lynch me (after refusing to roleclaim)"

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;478703]However, a guilty voter becoming Jester is also a great idea![/QUOTE]

yeah, this is what i thought slaol was suggesting in his page 1 post. But honestly both variations would be fun :p.

edit: n/m i just missed this suggestion "[ ] Take control of random guilty voter"

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

However, a guilty voter becoming Jester is also a great idea!

yeah, this is what i thought slaol was suggesting in his page 1 post. But honestly both variations would be fun .

edit: n/m i just missed this suggestion "[ ] Take control of random guilty voter"

i think the option about disguising as one of the guilty voters needs some clarification / wording changes :p. Are you suggesting that the jester doesn't actually die when lynched and instead becomes someone else (who dies in his place) like a disguiser kill?

I think the suggestion made earlier in the thread that that option is based on (i skim read past the parts with ninjas usual nonsensical arguing, so maybe i missed some stuff) was simply that instead of 1 random person dieing, that person becomes a new jester.

Either way i voted for it. disguising as jester when lynched would be hilarious :p.

i think the option about disguising as one of the guilty voters needs some clarification / wording changes . Are you suggesting that the jester doesn't actually die when lynched and instead becomes someone else (who dies in his place) like a disguiser kill?

I think the suggestion made earlier in the thread that that option is based on (i skim read past the parts with ninjas usual nonsensical arguing, so maybe i missed some stuff) was simply that instead of 1 random person dieing, that person becomes a new jester.

Either way i voted for it. disguising as jester when lynched would be hilarious .

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;478678]but as nothing happends over 5-8 hours you can guess the obvious answer.[/QUOTE]

that you're impatient?

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

but as nothing happends over 5-8 hours you can guess the obvious answer.

that you're impatient?

Horrible, Horrible strategy. Townies fake claiming different town roles in order to make their accusation seem more credible is one of the most annoying things in mafia and shot not be encouraged in any way shape or form (unless you tend to -prefer evil roles, in which case you should get as many people as you can to start trying it out)

I've lost count of the amount of games where someone did something absolutely moronic like fake claim sheriff, accuse someone of being mafia to get them lynched (they were town) then go .. oh whoops, im actually a doc, he seemed like he was mafia ... idiot.

Oh and lets not forget the always classic "i'm a mason leader, i couldn't convert him, that means he's mafia! so i'll claim sheriff and get him lynched!" ... idiot.

There's some merit to the whole "I'm pretty sure he's evil, but i can't prove it so i'll lie to convince the others" line of thought IF you're a decent player. However most players who do it are absolutely retarded and are doing little better than making random accusations based on no evidence and get a townie lynched, then themselves too ... idiot.

You also fuck other legitimate investigatives. How fun is it on day 4 to realise that there's only 1 invest slot remaining, but 2 people claiming it and giving different information. Lets spend a day resolving that and probably lynching 1 of them, only to find out that the liar was actually just an incredibly stupid townie ... idiot.

In short, yeah, there are some cases to be made for lying about your role as town being beneficial. it can be IF you are very smart about it and are able to deduce accurate leads without actual invest information. but the vast majority of players are NOT good enough to do that. Most townies that fake claim just end up fucking the town over.

Horrible, Horrible strategy. Townies fake claiming different town roles in order to make their accusation seem more credible is one of the most annoying things in mafia and shot not be encouraged in any way shape or form (unless you tend to -prefer evil roles, in which case you should get as many people as you can to start trying it out)

I've lost count of the amount of games where someone did something absolutely moronic like fake claim sheriff, accuse someone of being mafia to get them lynched (they were town) then go .. oh whoops, im actually a doc, he seemed like he was mafia ... idiot.

Oh and lets not forget the always classic "i'm a mason leader, i couldn't convert him, that means he's mafia! so i'll claim sheriff and get him lynched!" ... idiot.

There's some merit to the whole "I'm pretty sure he's evil, but i can't prove it so i'll lie to convince the others" line of thought IF you're a decent player. However most players who do it are absolutely retarded and are doing little better than making random accusations based on no evidence and get a townie lynched, then themselves too ... idiot.

You also fuck other legitimate investigatives. How fun is it on day 4 to realise that there's only 1 invest slot remaining, but 2 people claiming it and giving different information. Lets spend a day resolving that and probably lynching 1 of them, only to find out that the liar was actually just an incredibly stupid townie ... idiot.

In short, yeah, there are some cases to be made for lying about your role as town being beneficial. it can be IF you are very smart about it and are able to deduce accurate leads without actual invest information. but the vast majority of players are NOT good enough to do that. Most townies that fake claim just end up fucking the town over.

i have this vision in my head of a decent jester getting almost unanimously lynched d3 or so and whiping out the entire game.

I can see many games ending early as 5 people die to jester in 1 night.

i have this vision in my head of a decent jester getting almost unanimously lynched d3 or so and whiping out the entire game.

I can see many games ending early as 5 people die to jester in 1 night.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;477594]Idea is there, but needs a better name.

Calling this a Psychopath is basically claiming that the Serial Killer, Arsonist, Mass Murderer, Mafia/Triad Killing do not have psychopathic tendencies lol[/QUOTE]

Who says they do. Maybe they're all just trying to save the planet by reducing overpopulation, not the heroes we want, but the heroes we need.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Idea is there, but needs a better name.

Calling this a Psychopath is basically claiming that the Serial Killer, Arsonist, Mass Murderer, Mafia/Triad Killing do not have psychopathic tendencies lol

Who says they do. Maybe they're all just trying to save the planet by reducing overpopulation, not the heroes we want, but the heroes we need.

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;476995]mafia killing can make 2 GF's at startup[/QUOTE]

it shouldn't, since gf is a unique role.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

mafia killing can make 2 GF's at startup

it shouldn't, since gf is a unique role.

Yeah you get a game like that every now and then. I've got a replay saved where 4 out of 6 evils died night 1 then i -lynched (as marshall) and lynched the other 2. Game ended on day 2 with only 1 or 2 town dead.

Yeah you get a game like that every now and then. I've got a replay saved where 4 out of 6 evils died night 1 then i -lynched (as marshall) and lynched the other 2. Game ended on day 2 with only 1 or 2 town dead.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;476480]Scumbag wins over Auditor and Scumbag win shows as "Witch Win" regardless of what role got converted.
Scumbag splash might be added in future, but, for now, this is how it is.[/QUOTE]

Should change it anyway just so people stop reporting it. This exact thing is (atm) literaly the title of the very next thread below this one. :p

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Scumbag wins over Auditor and Scumbag win shows as "Witch Win" regardless of what role got converted.
Scumbag splash might be added in future, but, for now, this is how it is.

Should change it anyway just so people stop reporting it. This exact thing is (atm) literaly the title of the very next thread below this one.