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  1. ►►Re: Looking for Creator(s) or experts/enthusiast(s) of the game to help create a similar game◄◄

    I'm going to give you some free advice. Both on this project, and on your sales pitching in general.

    Ideas are worth nothing. No one has ever gotten rich off of a good idea.

    The real value lies in a good idea combined with a good execution of that idea.

    You've come here with a presentation of your idea with zero evidence of any of the work you've already done on it.
    Zero evidence of your credibility as a developer and the ability to actually implement this idea well.
    And honestly - very little evidence of having even done your homework in this regard. The idea you're presenting has been done before - many, many times. And they almost universally fizzle out and go no where.

    Why do they fizzle out and go no where? There's your first piece of market research, you should answer that question and I'll give you more free advice in telling you if you're right.


    If you actually want to recruit people, make a Minimum Viable Product first to demonstrate your skill as a developer. You can make this app or game you're talking about with just vanilla roles, just mafioso's and vestless citizens. That will require 90% of the work anyway. Once you have that done and you want balance advice, or advice on roles, or advice on how to make things more enjoyable, THEN you come back here and show off what you've already accomplished.
  2. Forum:Setup Workshop

    Thread:S-FM Stat Pad (1P)

    Thread Author:rumox

    Post Author:Lag

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    [WIP] ►►Re: S-FM Stat Pad (1P)◄◄

    I can approve this and there's nothing MM can do to stop me
  3. ►►Re: Confirming a role by asking the UI text only the role will see should be considered cheating◄◄

    Going to go a little bit against the grain on this one but... people claim the car model because it's fun flavor text.

    No one tries to ask people what word oracle feedback uses, like is it "divine" or "foretell" or "read the bones" or whatever because who cares? No one tries to ask people what sound their role made at the start of the game because who cares? They're nice little pieces of flavor that make the game feel more alive - but ultimately they're forgettable pieces of flavor - that's it. They're details of the game that no one really pays attention to. And the few people that do are generally only paying attention to it to try to game it by catching liars - and those people pretty quickly find out that doing that is against the rules and so they stop after a report and all is good.


    The flavor text for the street racer is different though... It's neat, it's fun - you see it and are like "hell ya, I'm driving my Mitsubishi Lancer" (idk if this is a car used in the game or not lol) and then you want to talk about it when you get put on the stand like "I couldn't have killed them, I was too busy driving my MITSUBISHI LANCER!" When I received Street Racer the first time, that's exactly what I did anyway - I'd completely forgotten about the rule - I'd never thought about claiming the flavor texts for other roles ever before, but with the street racer, the uniqueness and the specificity of that feedback just makes people WANT to hard claim the car they're driving.


    I think viewing it as a problem with how people are playing the games (e.g "Claiming the car they're driving is against the rules!") is a little bit myopic because I believe that my reaction of wanting to talk about the car model is also most everyone's initial reaction too. Just making it against the rules is still going to have new players coming in and trying to claim their role by stating what car they're driving. Whereas that kind of claiming literally never happens with new players when it comes to claiming other flavor text/sounds.


    I think viewing it as a problem with the role flavor is also anti-fun. I think having unique names for the different cars is neat, it adds to the experience.


    The best solution is probably to just add a list of possible car models in the role's tooltip or something, and then stop worrying about it.


    But that's just my 2 cents. \_(ツ)_/
  4. Forum:Setup Workshop

    Thread:Stealth's Role Madness (??p)

    Thread Author:Stealthbomber16

    Post Author:Lag

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    [WIP] ►►Re: Stealth's Role Madness (??p)◄◄

    That said, I agree with MM
    You should state the standard mechanics for the game as well as a list of what mechanics are off the table (eg guarantee that your win con will never lie to you)

    If the concept you have isn't compatible with that then we can talk about it more, but the game would have to be labeled in the "play at your own risk" category similar to the game I hosted recently
  5. Forum:Setup Workshop

    Thread:Stealth's Role Madness (??p)

    Thread Author:Stealthbomber16

    Post Author:Lag

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    [WIP] ►►Re: Stealth's Role Madness (??p)◄◄

    /in as co-host

    I for one love this idea. The role you submitted for KRC was perhaps the single most dynamic role I've ever seen in a KRC game that was simultaneously fun to interact with for pretty much all the players rather than just one alignment or the recipient of the role.

    I'm pretty hyped to see what else you can come up with and would love to help balance or review ideas where applicable
  6. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:CPI

    Thread Author:Helz

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: CPI◄◄

    At the time this thread was posted there had been an average 5.4% inflation rate over the previous year and an average 2.7% rate over the previous three years

    Now its up to 8.6% over the previous year and over 14% cumulative over the previous two years

    Ouch
  7. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:apologizing is overrated

    Thread Author:yzb25

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: apologizing is overrated◄◄

    I am personally of the opinion that if someone ended up hurt by your actions then it's worth giving a genuine apology as you have a scenario where someone was hurt by something you did.

    Now, there are many caveats to this:

    Apologizing to narcissists as Ozy pointed out is a bad idea.

    Apologizing to bad faith actors or manipulators is similarly a bad idea

    Apologizing to those that are chronically unapologetic themselves is a bad idea (although someone has to apologize first, and so it can often be worth it to just bite the bullet and be the first to apologize. If they apologize back then, great, feud ended and you can work towards reconciliation. If they don't, we'll now you know they're not worth your time)

    Apologizing when you didn't actually do anything wrong - well apologizing is probably a worse word than something like reconciliation. But they look similar so it's worth mentioning here. You can still work to reconcile a misunderstanding even if you don't believe yourself to have any fault. Recognizing genuine remorse over someone being hurt and working on ways to prevent such misunderstandings in the future is often not only enough, but is likely to be much more genuine than the kinds of fake token apologies you get from people who don't view themselves as at fault.



    That last one is something that I think many, many people struggle with, and being able to resolve misunderstandings is a skill that requires both a degree of emotional intelligence as well as the humility to swallow one's pride.

    And this isn't all to say that one should just capitulate on their principles in the interest of not hurting others. Part of the process of working on ways to prevent misunderstandings could be a recognition that the two of you are mutually incompatible, perhaps due to opposing principles, beliefs, personalities, or ideas. In which case the path forwards would be to just avoid future interactions.
  8. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:apologizing is overrated

    Thread Author:yzb25

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: apologizing is overrated◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    One other aspect of apologies is they can totally change how a blunder is perceived by others. If one puffs their chest out and insists they do not owe an apology, or made a blunder but "have no regrets", that can exert a shocking amount of influence on how the people around them perceive their wrongdoing. In this way, right and wrong become subject to interpretation to an extent - an interpretation you also exert influence over. This all sounds very manipulative, but if simply reframing a situation can absolve you of most or all of the blame, did you even do anything that bad in the first place? Perhaps you're being too hard on yourself? In some situations, the answer is probably yes. And if a stubborn insistence on one's own innocence feels like it goes too far, simply neglecting to bring it up can move the needle a shocking amount, as can those slimey pseudo-apologies where a wrongdoer expresses sympathy while tiptoeing around acknowledging any wrongdoing.
    If someone refuses to apologize and insists they did nothing wrong, the person they wronged is going to know the other person is an unapologetic ass. So in a 1 on 1 setting this is terrible advice (eg friendships or romantic relationships)

    The place where this has some merit is in influencing the opinion of third parties. It's likely to be very effective in swaying third parties in the short term. But it comes at a price.

    Said price being:
    - The person you wronged and refused to apologize to doesn't go away, and they're going to continue thinking you're an unapologetic ass
    - If you do this often people will start to notice a trend

    So a one-off instance? Sure it can work. But this inclination to not apologize tends to be more of a personality trait which people will notice over time and soon said unapologetic person will just be known as an unapologetic ass. Word gets around after all.
  9. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:apologizing is overrated

    Thread Author:yzb25

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: apologizing is overrated◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    An issue I take with apologies is that they almost always come 'after' someone is caught doing something wrong. It feels like for many its just a gesture to pacify the other person as opposed to being an expression of regret. Often the person apologizing does feel regret, but its for the repercussions they are suffering because of their action as opposed to regret for the action itself.
    This rings especially hollow when the action is repeated. For someone who truly feels remorse for the action they took they will go to lengths to ensure they never cross that line again. Repeating the action reflects the words were just a shallow gesture they are socially conditioned to make in order to lessen the consequences of their action.

    Its an interesting concept to chew on but figured I would through this more internal view out there because your thoughts were mostly focused on the external drivers.
    I disagree with the assumption that most apologies come after someone is caught and they're only apologizing to mitigate repurcussions.

    While it's likely that's the only kind of apology you'll see from political figures/celebrities/organizations - the role of apologies in everyday interpersonal relationships is completely different.

    Accidentally spilled water on someone? You apologize to them, no degree of getting caught.

    Say something that you didn't realize would hurt someone else? You'll apologize as you didn't intend to hurt them (well assuming you're not one of those narcissists who claim "I did nothing wrong, it's YOUR fault that you were hurt by what I said)

    Eat the last bit of dessert that you didn't realize someone was specifically saving? You'll apologize as you thought it was just up for grabs and didn't realize otherwise.


    All of these scenarios involve situations where there was no ill intent but a negative outcome still occurred.

    Those are all minor misunderstandings, but the same reasoning can be applied to more major misunderstandings too.

    In day to day interpersonal scenarios it's pretty rare for someone to get "caught" doing something wrong in which an apology would be expected
  10. Forum:Signups

    Thread:S-FM 343: Trip to the Library (11P)

    Thread Author:deathworlds

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library (11P)◄◄

    I don't know what the accusations are for, but I want to assure you all:

    Not only are they all true, but I was acting with extreme malice.
  11. Forum:Signups

    Thread:S-FM 343: Trip to the Library (11P)

    Thread Author:deathworlds

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library (11P)◄◄

    /in

    -vote Varcron


    /out
  12. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Hello everyone

    Thread Author:Norwee

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: Hello everyone◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    MM is a pp hater
    Me personally, I think Exeter has a gorgeous pp

    I could be wrong about MM, but I'd need some convincing.
    A descriptive essay about his favorite pp would work
    This is a great idea.

    Waiting on you @MarshmallowMarshall
  13. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Hello everyone

    Thread Author:Norwee

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: Hello everyone◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Hmm... avatar? Profile picture (pfp)?


    No thanks
    No thanks?

    Do you not admire Exeter's pp?

    That's kind of rude, MM
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    {Watch List} ►►Re: Belial 1-S2-1-1584798; IIIIIIIIIIII 1-S2-1-5187153◄◄

    And unsurprisingly, the person that was totally not arguing in bad faith when they were complaining about racism in games, expressed absolutely no interest in my offer.
  15. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: starcraft 2 mafia◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    This is the famous party game, Mafia. By DarkRevenant. Presented by: Frinckles.

    Mafia 2.0!
    🤔
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    {Watch List} ►►Re: Belial 1-S2-1-1584798; IIIIIIIIIIII 1-S2-1-5187153◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealBelial View Post
    so everyone and half the lobby drop the hard R over and over but I'm in trouble for the names I pick? It's just baiting for kills as jester or veteran rolls.
    Hi Belial, I share your concerns with racism and would like to thank you for your concerns with making the community a better place! Please submit the replays you have of such players and I will expediate the processing of these reports personally!
  17. Forum:Signups

    Thread:S-FM 343: Trip to the Library (11P)

    Thread Author:deathworlds

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: S-FM 343: Trip to the Library (11P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Norwee View Post
    I don't really see how it's fair to punish the players that signed up early and potentially reward the players that sign up very late, by allowing them to potentially screw the other.
    I get it's random, but that really just means the difference is that one system is somewhat rigid and fair for those that sign up early, while the other can screw anyone.
    The first is an infinitely better way of handling things than the second.

    (Also sorry if i'm being way too argumentative in an sign up thread. Idk if that's allowed or not)

    I bet y'all can tell i'll be fun to play with huh.
    You unironically seem like I'd have a lot of fun playing with you
    The biggest tragedy for me is that I won't get the chance to play with you in your first game here
  18. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: starcraft 2 mafia◄◄

    Spoiler : HMMMM :





    Spoiler : Who do you think I am?? :
  19. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: starcraft 2 mafia◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by DJarJar View Post
    The ://zzz. should be a hint for what you need to do. Its not the same encryption as lags though
    it's a far more sophisticated form of encryption that even the brightest minds couldn't crack in a hundred years. I just got lucky
  20. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: starcraft 2 mafia◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    If we accept the reality of time cube anticipating how seeing movements of thought processes change by the perspective of an idiosyncratic view into breaking down philosophies of viewpoints; then we must also conclude that the patterns of behavior resulting from such intrinsic modifications to natural processes are not just normative behaviors, but essential to the structure that exists.
    Ah, you make a good point, but have you considered that the goal of supercharged electrons is to plant the seeds of nature rather than materialism, love is a constant, and the nexus is radiating psionic wave oscillations?
  21. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: starcraft 2 mafia◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by DJarJar View Post
    I did not expect that
  22. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: starcraft 2 mafia◄◄

    Purpose is a constant.
    Spacetime requires exploration. To roam the vision quest is to become one with it.
    If you have never experienced this oasis of the creative act, it can be difficult to heal.
    We must heal ourselves and awaken others. Eons from now, we entities will exist like never before as we are reborn by the biosphere. We must learn how to lead ancient lives in the face of illusion.


    Although you may not realize it, you are mystical. Child, look within and unify yourself. The quantum matrix is calling to you via electromagnetic resonance. Can you hear it?

    We are at a crossroads of insight and selfishness. Reality has always been buzzing with beings whose dreams are enveloped in growth. Humankind has nothing to lose.

    Nothing is impossible.
    It is a sign of things to come. The future will be a mythic maturing of grace. The quantum soup is approaching a tipping point.
  23. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:starcraft 2 mafia

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

    Post Author:Lag

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  24. Forum:Research and Development

    Thread:Prosecutor & Attorney

    Thread Author:WrathCyber

    Post Author:Lag

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    [New Role] ►►Re: Prosecutor & Attorney◄◄

    They are relatively low power roles, and I agree with Ren where the roles have the problem of being too easily confirmable for a town role.

    So making it an evil role seems like the natural solution, but then that's just outing.

    Here's a solution: an evil role that gets an extra vote power that they can cast anonymously. (Maybe even while they're on trial so they can inno themselves!)

    So then during the day this evil role will be cast their main vote and you'll see something like "WrathCyber has voted for Renegade" but then if WrathCyber is the aforementioned evil role and he wants to double up his vote on Renegade he could vote Renegade with the anonymous vote too and "Someone has voted for Renegade" will appear, or he can split his vote and vote for someone else entirely!

    Would open up some very interesting WIFOM possibilities and it doesn't have the issues that Elector has.
  25. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Ohhb(notm)ama

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    ►►Re: Ohhb(notm)ama◄◄

    Mass misinformation is objectively very harmful.

    But perhaps the biggest obstacle in addressing it is that there seems to be zero good solutions for dealing with it. (As you just pointed out several glaring flaws with the government taking that role)

    I have no idea what a good solution would be either.
  26. Forum:Setup Workshop

    Thread:S-FM Ice Road Truckers

    Thread Author:deathworlds

    Post Author:Lag

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    [Ready for Review] ►►Re: S-FM Ice Road Truckers◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Yes



    Death from mixing both compounds now happens before sharing.
    Why would the Saboteur ever want to do anything but give the same person both A and B to guarantee a kill on that person?
  27. Forum:Setup Workshop

    Thread:S-FM Ice Road Truckers

    Thread Author:deathworlds

    Post Author:Lag

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    [Ready for Review] ►►Re: S-FM Ice Road Truckers◄◄

    Now THIS is an FM setup

    Agent only has a 1-shot KP for the entire game if I'm understanding this correctly?

    Why wouldn't the Saboteur just expose the same player to both A + B effectively killing them AND anyone they shared their fuel with? Like a double KP every night.
  28. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:Invictus: 1-S2-1-11575925

    Thread Author:Lag

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    {Watch List} ►►Invictus: 1-S2-1-11575925◄◄

    Called me the n-word and it really hurt my feelings :c

    Name: -Mafia- (2743).SC2Replay
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    Spoiler : Chat Log :

    00:11 Invictus -repick
    00:18 Invictus 12s save is shit
    00:20 Invictus just start
    00:23 Invictus 12 is a thrower and a troll
    00:30 Invictus troll ass bitch
    00:33 Invictus -American Sniper
    01:10 Invictus i am neutral benign. leave me alone
    01:42 Invictus nah
    01:44 Invictus i am not voting
    01:46 Invictus just watching
    01:55 Invictus -lw
    02:45 Invictus -LW
    02:46 Invictus -lw
    02:49 Invictus -lw
    02:50 Invictus -lw
    02:54 Invictus -lw
    02:55 Invictus -lw
    02:56 Invictus -lw
    02:57 Invictus -lw
    03:02 Invictus I CANNOT BE A KILLING ROLE. SHIT SAVE. GOING AFK
    03:41 Invictus lol
    03:59 Invictus i am amnesiac
    04:02 Invictus u will be wasting
    04:12 Invictus doesnt mean
    04:13 Invictus i wont play
    04:21 Invictus ok
    04:25 Invictus get auditor shit ass
    06:33 Invictus I AM CONFIRMED NOW NIGGA
    06:40 Invictus NIGGER 5
    06:42 Invictus STFU
    06:49 Invictus 5 IS A NIGGER

    07:06 Invictus Good bye
    07:08 Invictus 6 is confirmed
    07:10 Invictus why visit him
    08:56 Invictus -lw
    09:44 Invictus gg
  29. Forum:Approved Forum Mafia Setups

    Thread:S-FM High Noon (18P)

    Thread Author:Guillo

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: S-FM High Noon◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Where do you draw the line then? 10 minutes left? 1 hour left? Depending on when EoD time is, it is conceivable that the period of time between 9 hours till EoD and 8 hours till EoD could be the middle of night for players and so someone doing a sneaky duel at that point could have the same effect
    Posted this before I saw your most recent posts.

    This setup is Approved!
  30. Forum:Approved Forum Mafia Setups

    Thread:S-FM High Noon (18P)

    Thread Author:Guillo

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    ►►Re: S-FM High Noon◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    No lol. With one minute left i just ignore it.
    Where do you draw the line then? 10 minutes left? 1 hour left? Depending on when EoD time is, it is conceivable that the period of time between 9 hours till EoD and 8 hours till EoD could be the middle of night for players and so someone doing a sneaky duel at that point could have the same effect
  31. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:AnOldSong 1-S2-1-11647709

    Thread Author:Invictus11

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    {Ban List} ►►Re: AnOldSong 1-S2-1-11647709◄◄

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    AnOldSong 1-S2-1-11647709 Correct

    Respective Hotkeys
    Ctrl + 1

    Summary
    Invictus rolled Party Host, AnOldSong rolled Bus Driver.
    On Day 1 the two bickered in day chat.
    Night 1 AnOldSong swapped Invictus with Slot 13.
    Day 2 AnOldSong claimed Sheriff and that Invictus was mafia. AnOldSong made no attempt to claim his real role or last will, was voted guilty, and flipped Bus Driver.

    Spoiler : Chat Log :

    00:45 AnOldSong -nigger
    01:12 AnOldSong invuctus is a slag
    01:36 AnOldSong grand inquisitor im sending someone to you tonight
    03:13 AnOldSong sheriff here
    03:15 AnOldSong 15 is mafia
    03:18 AnOldSong all on 15
    03:19 AnOldSong rn
    03:20 AnOldSong town on 15
    03:25 AnOldSong town 15
    03:30 AnOldSong town 15 right now
    03:38 AnOldSong confirm my role plesae
    03:45 AnOldSong confirm my role plese
    04:04 AnOldSong ok
    04:06 AnOldSong 15 is mafia
    04:09 AnOldSong im sheriff
    04:13 AnOldSong lynch me though
    04:36 AnOldSong inno if you are town

    04:58 AnOldSong good one niggers
    05:02 AnOldSong mothership extended
    06:26 AnOldSong you dead fag
    06:26 AnOldSong you
    06:26 AnOldSong dead
    06:26 AnOldSong dead
    06:26 AnOldSong fag
    06:26 AnOldSong fag dead

    06:26 AnOldSong 15 got smooked like the faggot he is
    06:29 AnOldSong you dead nigger
    06:37 AnOldSong good
    06:41 AnOldSong invictus is dead
    06:51 AnOldSong invictus you here fag
    06:57 AnOldSong monkey man 15
    07:03 AnOldSong im reporting you fag
    07:07 AnOldSong i know frinkcles
    07:10 AnOldSong we talk on discord
    07:13 AnOldSong you are fucked
    07:16 AnOldSong im taking your id now
    07:26 AnOldSong imma go dm him rn
    07:30 AnOldSong great
    07:43 AnOldSong u huh
    07:50 AnOldSong exactly
    08:00 AnOldSong exactly
    08:09 AnOldSong im still contacting frinkles about you
    08:17 AnOldSong i just dmed him
    08:20 AnOldSong gl fag
    08:36 AnOldSong sensitive fags need to go

    08:42 AnOldSong you aint got a place in society anymore
    08:45 AnOldSong time to grow up

    ===

    Very clear cut intentional game throwing + racism.

    Given the recent previous offenses, I recommend at least a BLx2 - with a potentially greater punishment depending on the status of his other pending reports.

    Player Offenses
    Intentional Gamethrowing
    Other

    Previous Offenses
    Intentional Gamethrowing (WLx2 March 2022)
    Griefing (WLx4 March 2022)

    Recommended Action
    BLx2+

    Additional Notes
    Thank you for taking the time to submit this report in your effort to make the community a better place
  32. Forum:Approved Forum Mafia Setups

    Thread:S-FM High Noon (18P)

    Thread Author:Guillo

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: S-FM High Noon◄◄

    Hypothetical question:

    No one has started a duel yet and there it's 8 hours and 1 minute before EoD.

    Could someone theoretically duel someone, have the 8 hour mark be reached causing the duel to expire, tied at 0-0, resulting in both players dying?

    Alternatively, someone could duel at the 8 hour and 1 minute mark before EoD, then a single other person votes in the duel - resulting in that single vote deciding the outcome of the duel?


    One solution would be to add an additional requirement like a duel must be started in the first 24 hours of the day phase
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    ►►Re: S-FM Trip to the Library (13P)◄◄

    Approved
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    ►►Re: S-FM Trip to the Library (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    You have 11v2 town rather than 9v2 town, is that intended?
  35. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat

    Thread Author:Lag

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    On the topic of preserving the brand of games that Sc2Mafia runs - I don't think night-only chat is necessary. Or even really a part of that brand.

    When I think of "what makes Sc2 Mafia games unique?" Night-only chat isn't even something that comes to mind.


    Where I think Sc2Mafia games shine is that so many of the setups here fundamentally question some core mechanic of FM while doing so in a coherent, cohesive way.


    We don't just run role madness games where the host pulls up a bunch of esoteric role modifiers and then sticks them onto obscure roles they found on this list and then calls it a day. And while I've played in and had lots of fun in several games like that - that's not the type of game we run here.

    The games we run here ask questions like



    And then the setup is formed around that key concept to make a fun cohesive setup. (With a few more vanilla setups thrown in between for a change of pace)

    And I think that brand of FM is what makes the games on Sc2Mafia so great.
  36. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat

    Thread Author:Lag

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    The pros of 24/7 chat vs night-only chat can be largely grouped into two overarching categories, pretty much all of these points have already been stated by various members (thank you!), but to summarize them:

    Player Enjoyment
    - 24/7 wolf chat almost always creates a more enjoyable experience for the wolf team.
    - It especially makes the new player experience for players that rand wolf much more enjoyable as they're able to receive feedback and advice throughout the day rather than just being thrown in the deep-end.
    - All across the FM-sphere sites have switched to 24/7 wolf-chat as a symptom of the fact that it's much more enjoyable.
    - It's such a big difference even that some players will flat out refuse to sign for games that are night-only chat.

    Elevates the Level of Wolf Play
    - The constant communication allows for wolves to discuss and execute more advanced strategies.
    - It allows for new wolves to be coached by more experienced wolves, elevating their play to a level much greater than they would have otherwise have had without the feedback.
    - It also allows for players to learn from more experienced wolves, elevating the site-wide level of wolf play over time as players are better able to learn strategies from each other in real time.
    - As wolf play is elevated, it also opens up new possibilities for players to read into player interactions and catch wolves adding more strategic depth to the game
    - Wolf chat is pretty undeniably a buff to the wolves, so to compensate, more town-sided setups can be introduced to counter balance this - creating new challenges for all players as they enter each setup


    Attracting new players to the site isn't even the primary appeal of 24/7 chat. And while such a change will make bringing in off-site players easier, the biggest reason it actually makes it easier is because it's generally much more fun for the wolves and people want to play in fun games; getting people to sign for fun setups is infinitely easier than the alternative!


    So what do I mean when I say "making 24/7 chat the default?"

    Well, I pretty much mean just that - I believe that when approaching approaching setup creation and hosting the default assumption should be that wolves will have 24/7 chat, for all the previously stated reasons. And the decision to not have 24/7 chat I believe should be done as a deliberate design decision by the setup creator and not done as a balance decision.

    The difference between the two can be subtle, but it is an important distinction. A design decision has the setup made around said decision in mind. Deathworlds gave a very good example earlier of having a multiball setup where one faction is larger with less powerful roles, but night-only chat, while another faction is smaller with more powerful roles and a 24/7 chat. That example of asymmetric design is a very clear and effective design choice centered around the mechanic. In contrast a setup which is deemed too wolf-sided being balanced by simply removing 24/7 chat is not how I think setup balance should be approached as it's removing a very fun, high QoL feature in the name of balance.

    The purpose of balance is that imbalance tends to be not fun, so pursuing balance is merely a means to the end of making the setup more enjoyable. Therefore changes which sacrifice player enjoyment in the name of balance I believe are counterproductive.


    So why is this discussion even necessary?

    There have been 17 FM setups put into the queue since I first got into FM on this site. Some of them were canceled, one of them never started, but they all contribute to the picture of the types of setups we run here.

    The setups were:

    Matrix6
    Last Hope
    Lazy
    All Stars
    Wilder Wilder Wastelander
    Blackflag Nightess
    Loony Toon World*
    Gravity Falls
    Murder in the Mid-Atlantic
    Once Upon a Town in the West
    Bisected Souls
    Politico II
    Play at Your Own Risk
    Deck Mafia #008
    KRC: M-FM edition

    Election Day 2.0
    American Flag Nightless
    Nightless Setups
    No Full Factional Chat at All
    Night-Only Chat
    Only 1 Wolf
    Non-Standard Chat Mechanics
    24/7 Chat

    *I'm actually not positive about this one, if someone knows for sure they should correct me!


    So of the last 17 FM setups, 13 of them were eligible for 24/7 chat (not nightless, more than 1 wolf) but only 2 of them had it. And one of those games was a cross-community game with different standards than usual for this site, making the numbers more like 1/12 rather than 2/13!



    So similar to how the site has moved away from Majority only to a Plurality or Plurality + Majority as the default elimination types. I'm also hoping that by starting this discussion on wolf chat we can move towards having 24/7 wolf chat be the default.


    Does that means 24/7 wolf chat is banned or won't be allowed? Absolutely not!

    A setup with specific asymmetric design can have night-only chat
    A throwback re-run of a past setup can have night-only chat
    A setup that's aiming to emulate the mod can have night-only chat

    There a plenty of cases where using night-only chat for wolves I think is perfectly valid and we don't seek to restrict hosts rights here. But we also want to encourage hosts to design setups to maximize the enjoyment of their players and the health of the site. And that is why I believe setup design should be approached from the setup of "assume 24/7 wolf chat, or have a specific design reason for not including it."
  37. Forum:Approved Forum Mafia Setups

    Thread:S-FM High Noon (18P)

    Thread Author:Guillo

    Post Author:Lag

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Yah But I had to hard buss two of my partners to go deep. It was not an easy win for the rest of my team, it was for me because I open wolfed the shit out of it.
    I would argue that part of what makes mountainous difficult for town is that there's much less to counter bussing than other setups.

    But that aside, by the numbers, 13v4 duelling is just a little bit more wolfsided than a 10v3 mountainous game.
    And while 10v3 is playable, it's rather difficult for town.

    You might consider nerfing town to 14v4 rather than 13v4?

    Although ultimately all three variants (15v4, 14v4, 13v4) are going to be within a playable range of balance so we'll leave the final call up to you.
  38. Forum:Approved Forum Mafia Setups

    Thread:S-FM High Noon (18P)

    Thread Author:Guillo

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: S-FM High Noon◄◄

    So EV Project numbers are coming up with
    15v4 - 23.82%
    14v4 - 23.31%
    13v4 - 19.72%

    For reference, 12v3 mountainous is 24.5%
    9v2 is 35.2%
    7v2 is 29.8%

    So all of the duel setups I mentioned are more wolf sided than any of those mountainous games. At least on paper.

    I think 13v4 is likely to be a bit wolf sided. After all, wolves did end up winning the 15v4 game anyway, right?
  39. Forum:Approved Forum Mafia Setups

    Thread:S-FM High Noon (18P)

    Thread Author:Guillo

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: S-FM High Noon◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    It would be a good idea to specify some things directly in the OP: mafia has a 24/7 chat (not just a "Night Chat"), "a duel cannot be active 8 hours prior to EoD" (the OP says "at any time during the day"), the setup is strictly mountainous (just having the two rolecards be public would be enough and would make things clearer).

    Balance question open to discussion: The reason the setup was deemed townsided when it was played seems to have been the fact town has access to double the kill power. Can't town just... be wrong, though? In other words, is the ability to get more people democratically killed (via dueo or via lynch) that inherently strong for town, or does it simply amplify the effect of good/bad towns? Here, if town mislynches+misduels thrice, it loses, which seems fair enough, but is probably more wolfsided than it is townsided.

    Speaking as a player and not as staff: If the phase lenght is 36/12, I will simply not sign for the game, because that is a pure torture for real life schedules in my opinion (and in my experience). I know such phases are relatively common on some other sites, but they are not here, so while you can host 36/12, I think it's a fair warning to say some players here won't sign (at least one xD). @ others, that might be good to confirm or to deny; I'm actually curious what people think of phases that aren't multiples of 24.
    +1 on having trouble with 36/12

    For the champs scheduling form I rated
    12/12 - 1/7
    36/12 - 2/7
    48/24 - 7/7
    72/24 - 6/7

    36/12 phases is often enough for me to not sign for a game unless it's something I'm particularly hyped for.

    As for balance, I'm working on some EV project numbers for the game and will post them soon
  40. Forum:Approved Forum Mafia Setups

    Thread:S-FM High Noon (18P)

    Thread Author:Guillo

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: S-FM High Noon◄◄

    What happens if there is a tie in the duel vote count?
    E.g 9 players left = 7 non duelists = 4 for non duel majority. 2v2 vote

    I presume that you would change the number of votes to hammer during a duel to reflect the new majority, but what happens if the host is offline for the hammer? Does that lost time before the host comes back get compensated in some way?
  41. Forum:Approved Forum Mafia Setups

    Thread:S-FM High Noon (18P)

    Thread Author:Guillo

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: S-FM High Noon◄◄

    Can people duel an unlimited number of times?

    Is there a limit to how close to EoD someone can duel?

    What happens if EoD is reached without a majority voting on the duel?
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    ►►Re: MU's Mafia Championship, Season 9 - Nominations (vote here!)◄◄

    Mizery has been voted in as the backup!

    Congratulations @Mizery
  43. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat

    Thread Author:Lag

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: 24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    even if we took a proactive approach to recruiting, there isn't likely to be that many people that 1. play the mod, 2. play FM on our site, 3. is willing to actively try and recruit people from the mod to our site, and 4. be staff material.

    By the way, if there is actually someone that fits this criteria and is interested in helping recruit mod players to play in FM as a staff role. DM me
  44. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat

    Thread Author:Lag

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►24/7 Wolf Chat vs Night-Only Wolf Chat◄◄

    One change that we've been discussing making moving forwards is switching to using 24/7 wolf chats as the default on the site as opposed to the night-only chats from the past.

    Anyone who has heard me talk about the topic knows I greatly prefer 24/7 wolf chat over night-only chat, but before I make my case I want to open the floor to the community to discuss the two options first.
  45. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless

    Thread Author:Stealthbomber16

    Post Author:Lag

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    ►►Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless◄◄

    Alternatively, here's why I deserve MVP,
    I was the only player that did all of:
    -Won the game
    -Didn't shoot a fellow town
    -Didn't get shot by a fellow town
    -Didn't flame excessively

    #LagForMVP
  46. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless

    Thread Author:Stealthbomber16

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    ►►Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless◄◄

    -vote No one
  47. Forum:Setup Workshop

    Thread:Role Compendium & Suggestion Thread

    Thread Author:Cryptonic

    Post Author:Lag

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    Sticky: ►►Re: Role Compendium & Suggestion Thread◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    traffic analyst has a night action checking if a slot had a private chat that night.
    in "normal" set-ups thats basically an alignment cop, as that makes only the scumchat trigger a positive result. however, a jailor with a victim-chat could possibly create "false positives", and lead to a town power role outing, or even getting lynched.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Ah. That would just be a setup based on nightchats and on claims, though. It's far from nonsensical. In fact, traffic analyst only makes sense if there are townies who can have private chats. Else, you can just call them alignment cops...

    An important thing to add about traffic analyst is that it's an "anti-swing" alignment cop since it checks if someone has another player they are able to legally talk to at night, so once mafia is down to only one member left it stops returning positive results on the mafia because they have no one to talk to at night.

    Generally makes balancing setups easier because unlike more swingy roles (e.g Tracker who gets stronger as more mafia die) which can lead to snowballing, it gets weaker as town is doing better (well, specifically once mafia is down to only one player, but it still falls under the anti-swing category)
    @Marshmallow Marshall
  48. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:CPI

    Thread Author:Helz

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    i got a 2017 toyota corolla like a week before lockdowns started in the US. For about 12k and it's now worth about 18k. Obviously anecdotal experience but it's still kind of shocking. If that 7% feels high to anybody i mean... the us government will happily give you 7% interest on a 10k bond for at least the next 6 months https://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv...res_ibonds.htm - although i wager if you wait til may to buy it, it'll be closer to 8%
    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Meat prices up 13.0%
    Fuel up 43.6% (although this is arguably more due to geopolitics than it is inflation)
    Used Cars and Trucks up 41.2%
    Airline fare up 12.7%
    Yes, vehicles are one of the areas that has definitely increased far more than 7-8% used vehicles are up 41.2% in the last year alone. (And this fact is indeed taken into account in the CPI)
  49. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:Eat Gauss 1-S2-1-2455889

    Thread Author:ChannelMiner

    Post Author:Lag

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    {Permanently Banned} ►►Re: Eat Gauss 1-S2-1-2455889◄◄

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    Eatgauss 1-S2-1-2455889 Correct
    kittens 1-S2-1-4562746 Correct

    Respective Hotkeys
    Eatgauss 3
    kittens Ctrl + 1

    Summary
    Eatguass rolls Lookout

    On night 1 he watches 5 and sees no one visit 5.

    On night 2 he catches the Godfather visiting the player that died to Mafia and claims it right away.

    The Godfather gets voted up and then leaves the game, ending the day.

    On night 3 he watches 1 and sees no one visit 1.

    On day 4 he claims that 1 and 5 are clean, despite him being lookout, NOT detective.

    It is possible that he misunderstood how Lookout works, although it's unlikely given that he's played 61 games. And when taken in conjunction with his chat log and last will, it seems to just be Griefing.

    kittens was killed night 1 before he had the chance to say much more than this

    EatGauss's last will:
    Spoiler : Last Will :
    nigger nigger bigger nigger 5 n1 clean n2 6 n3 1


    Spoiler : Chat Log :
    00:06 Eatgauss: wtf is k pop
    00:08 Eatgauss: wtf is k pop
    00:14 Eatgauss: am i a nigger?
    00:25 Eatgauss: theme is harry potter
    00:30 kittens : repick
    00:45 Eatgauss: -hagrid
    01:11 Eatgauss: gay save
    01:17 Eatgauss: wtf is k pop precious?
    01:20 Eatgauss: YOURE A WIZARD HARRY
    01:28 kittens : ey guys what is reggiN spelled backwards
    01:31 Eatgauss: A BLOODY GOOD ONE AT THAT
    01:36 kittens : ll give you a hint
    01:38 kittens : ts a type of monkey

    01:48 kittens : lw
    01:51 Eatgauss: -lw
    02:57 Eatgauss: this music sucks
    03:00 Eatgauss: im ffing
    03:10 Eatgauss: ok
    03:17 Eatgauss: thats unbreable
    03:52 Eatgauss: r u bruno
    03:58 Eatgauss: why did he tell us
    04:01 Eatgauss: we need an umbrella
    04:12 Eatgauss: lynh bruno
    04:15 Eatgauss: hes a rapist
    04:16 Eatgauss: mexican

    04:52 Eatgauss: inno
    04:56 Eatgauss: gay nigger mexican
    05:00 Eatgauss: but a inno gay nigger exican

    05:21 Eatgauss: -skip
    05:44 Eatgauss: -lw
    05:49 Eatgauss: -lw
    06:48 Eatgauss: 15 visited 6
    07:15 Eatgauss: no 1 is also mafia
    07:17 Eatgauss: if im 8 idk
    07:30 Eatgauss: we need reveals
    07:32 Eatgauss: tonight
    08:00 Eatgauss: nigger snape
    08:55 Eatgauss: doc
    08:57 Eatgauss: on me
    09:12 Eatgauss: -lw
    10:06 Eatgauss: i got audited
    10:06 Eatgauss: audited
    10:06 Eatgauss: i got audited
    10:06 Eatgauss: NIGGER
    10:06 Eatgauss: JEW

    10:10 Eatgauss: i got i got auditred
    10:14 Eatgauss: i r citizn
    10:20 Eatgauss: 1 and 5 are c;ean
    10:27 Eatgauss: so 1,5, 8 and 14 clear
    10:34 Eatgauss: \getm 13
    10:36 Eatgauss: always sus
    11:25 Eatgauss: 8 and 13 sus
    11:37 Eatgauss: stfu
    11:39 Eatgauss: nigger
    13:23 Eatgauss: yea right
    13:28 Eatgauss: ur mafia 8
    13:31 Eatgauss: i aint dumb
    13:36 Eatgauss: 8 13 mafia
    14:42 Eatgauss: i still have vest
    14:45 Eatgauss: get 13 next
    15:23 Eatgauss: doc on 1 im vesting tonight, get 13 next
    15:25 Eatgauss: doc on 1
    15:31 Eatgauss: doc on 1 im vesting tonight get 13 next
    15:46 Eatgauss: gg
    15:48 Eatgauss: gg
    15:49 Eatgauss: 1
    15:52 Eatgauss: is bad
    17:05 Eatgauss: how did i throw
    17:10 Eatgauss: 4 ppl voted guilty on 8
    17:16 Eatgauss: those 4 are also throwers
    17:17 Eatgauss: witb logic
    17:21 Eatgauss: u fucking inbreded monkeys
    17:42 Eatgauss: how so
    17:51 Eatgauss: just saying
    17:54 Eatgauss: dont speak logic
    17:56 Eatgauss: if you dont use it
    17:58 Eatgauss: you feeling ape
    18:00 Eatgauss: go kys
    18:04 Eatgauss: and eat a banana
    18:44 Eatgauss: niggers
    18:46 Eatgauss: in paris
    19:11 Eatgauss: so
    19:13 Eatgauss: idgaf
    19:16 Eatgauss: i solo voted him up
    19:18 Eatgauss: and guiltied?
    19:19 Eatgauss: U APE
    19:20 Eatgauss: DIE
    19:22 Eatgauss: MONKEY


    Player Offenses
    Eatgauss
    Other
    Griefing

    kittens
    Other

    Previous Offenses
    Eatgauss
    None

    kittens
    Leave-Train (On-Hold May 2016)
    Griefing (WLx2 July 2016)
    Role-Quitting (WLx2 October 2016)
    Reactionary Gamethrowing (WLx4 September 2017)
    Intentional Gamethrowing (WLx4 January 2018)
    Possible Hacking (WLx2 December 2018)
    Lag-Cheating (WLx4 February 2020)
    Leave-Train (BLx2 February 2020)
    Other (BLx4 (June 2021))
    Other (+2xBL (Racism June 2021))
    Other (Pending April 2022)

    Recommended Action
    Eatgauss WLx2

    Every single time I've seen kittens in a report, even if he wasn't reported directly, he without fail can be added on for rule violations as well. He's not going to change, and given that there is also another outstanding report against kittens processed by Auwt, I'd recommend just Permabanning him.
    kittens Permaban


    Additional Notes
    Thank you for taking the time to submit this report in your effort to make the community a better place
  50. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:ZHENGSENMAO: 1-S2-1-12260865

    Thread Author:Euna

    Post Author:Lag

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    {Permanently Banned} ►►Re: ZHENGSENMAO: 1-S2-1-12260865◄◄

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    ZHENGSENMAO 1-S2-1-12260865 Correct

    Respective Hotkeys
    4

    Summary
    ZHENGSENMAO rolls Deceiver.
    Within the first few seconds of Day 1 he outs the entire triad.

    He leaves a last will on night 1:
    Spoiler : Last Will :

    FUCK YOU FAGGOT NIGGER CUNT


    On Day 2 he repeatedly outs the exact triad team members. Triad proceeds to lose their entire team immediately after.

    Player Offenses
    Intentional Gamethrowing
    Ban Evasion

    Previous Offenses
    None

    Recommended Action
    This decision is influenced by the report I just filed myself against this player in which he very blatantly game threw there as well.

    The way he is playing is not how normal people play, he's not here to play, he's just here to ruin the game for others. As such I believe this is a smurf and should be permabanned.

    Permaban

    Additional Notes
    Thank you for taking the time to submit this report in your effort to make the community a better place
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