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To me, bringing players back from the dead should be off limits.

To me, bringing players back from the dead should be off limits.

I honestly agree only on the SR car thing. It doesn't help that the car list is full of things nobody has ever heard of, so you can't come up with a fake car on the spot.

I honestly agree only on the SR car thing. It doesn't help that the car list is full of things nobody has ever heard of, so you can't come up with a fake car on the spot.

GG.

I think the major mistake town made was letting Ozy get lynched.

Kind of feels like an unearned win, except for the major win play being MM bussing me. MM was a good partner. Not the first time I rolled scum with them.

GG.

I think the major mistake town made was letting Ozy get lynched.

Kind of feels like an unearned win, except for the major win play being MM bussing me. MM was a good partner. Not the first time I rolled scum with them.

They still have the blind ballot voting and not the 'standard' voting where you see X voted Y.

They still have the blind ballot voting and not the 'standard' voting where you see X voted Y.

Good game scum. You won. My lynch ends the game.

GG

Good game scum. You won. My lynch ends the game.

GG

Yeah I don't know if doxxing myself via video chat is a good idea.

Yeah I don't know if doxxing myself via video chat is a good idea.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;968092]Ugh I shouldn't have said that. Now scum!MM would have an out to win in F3. Fuck me.

[Vote]renegade[/vote][/QUOTE]

Okay. [vote]Frinckles [/vote]

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Ugh I shouldn't have said that. Now scum!MM would have an out to win in F3. Fuck me.

-vote renegade

Okay.

-vote Frinckles

I'm waiting to see what MM has to say, but at this juncture I am ready to vote Frinckles or Martin. Preferably Frinckles.

I'm waiting to see what MM has to say, but at this juncture I am ready to vote Frinckles or Martin. Preferably Frinckles.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;968080]I guess VCA makes an argument for ren+MM too. Both were on Ozy, but then that silly line from Loldebite about being down to lynch Ren comes out while he was there for EOD. Eh.[/QUOTE]

Frankly, the simple VCA points right at you and Martin.

Pigeonhole principle tells me AT LEAST one of MM, Frinckles, or Martin is scum based on the Ozy lynch:

OzyWho (4 [L-1]):
Marshmallow Marshall, MartinGG99, Renegade, Frinckles

I'm taking Occam's razor to this one. I'm done with the big brain plays of Sc2mafia and sometimes the simplest solution is the most obvious. Simplest here is that scum was on both trains. Martin and Frinckles.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

I guess VCA makes an argument for ren+MM too. Both were on Ozy, but then that silly line from Loldebite about being down to lynch Ren comes out while he was there for EOD. Eh.

Frankly, the simple VCA points right at you and Martin.

Pigeonhole principle tells me AT LEAST one of MM, Frinckles, or Martin is scum based on the Ozy lynch:

OzyWho (4 [L-1]):
Marshmallow Marshall, MartinGG99, Renegade, Frinckles

I'm taking Occam's razor to this one. I'm done with the big brain plays of Sc2mafia and sometimes the simplest solution is the most obvious. Simplest here is that scum was on both trains. Martin and Frinckles.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;968072]This is a two part so it's easier for responses. 1/2

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[B]Martin[/B]
Honestly you ooze so much emotion throughout this game via your rhetoric, the way you type, grammatical shifts etc. You started off the game in a apathetic mood and it is reflected throughout your ISO in your first post and multiple times afterward (hope you feel better afterwards, by the way -- shit happens but that's okay.) When Renegade pushed you to contribute more you explained all this to him directly:



You also disagreed with Renegade on other things like Ozy being LHF after you had just ended a massive back-and-forth with Ozy; hell at one point you even voted Renegade. There are some things I thought were weird about your slot, like entertaining a no-lynch or possibly pocketing me; but honestly I can't find a scenario where you're scum here. There's a couple reasons for that -- post count, tone, validity of arguments and a few other small things. But one of the biggest things that popped out to me was that not once, but four times you've reminded players to achieve their post counts out of concern of them being mod-killed. There is no reason for scum to mention this and certainly no reason for scum to be so insistent on doing this particularly over an AFK slot like Oliver or Loldebite right before F5.

Between your pushbacks/votes on Renegade, frustrated interactions with Loldebite, and hyper-awareness of the fact that you and MM didn't interact* (enough to even taunt Ozy) it seems pretty apparent that you're least likely scum here. [SIZE=1]*side note, you two did interact later on.[/SIZE]

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So, then this is usually the really difficult part where I need to find the last town member and then the F5 tug of war begins.
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I think you and Martin are just coming right out and saying you are scum, and trying to get a single vote from Loldebite or MM. MM has been all over me all game so I'm not surprised they are alive and part of your plan. Martin if you are town then this is exactly what Frinckles has aimed for. Your vote. But I am extremely doubtful. I find it hard to believe two players would be so confident about themselves both being town in a F5 3v2 situation.


[QUOTE=Frinckles;968072]
[B]Renegade[/B]
You've been gunning for me and Martin since the game began basically, like non-stop and frankly to the point where you didn't need to even type a post like this:





I don't remember playing scum with you in the game. I barely remember playing scum at all, actually. But if this was my scum-meta I'd certainly have a remarkable one since the entirety of the game has considered me a top townread or was reluctant to vote me despite your incessant pushing. Honestly though, none of this matters because I know well enough that even if you were town there would be zero way for me convince you that I'm town at this point in the game anyway. You didn't earn a townread from me and I didn't earn a townread from you and we can apologize to deathchat pre-emptively if this is TvT. This would be an impossible position.

But honestly I don't think it is. You've literally breadcrumbed up to this point by pushing me and Martin in a way. I know I'm Town and I'm thinking there must be a reason I'm alive over someone like Norwee, right?



Yeah, I admit I townread Norwee but you just read the room wrong here. Norwee was pushed plenty this game by different people. And on a related note, Varcron and Norwee both pushed MM on days one and two respectively. Whether that makes MM scum #2 here is up in the air, but if you were actually worldbuilding a scumteam, a town!renegade would never ever posit a Frinckles+Martin team over a Frinckles+MM team or even Frinckles+Loldebite

You're telling me town!renegade read this:

And you never wanted to worldbuild that from your perspective Frinckles+MM might seem reasonable?

You're telling me town!renegade read this reply from Loldebite to Ozy:


And you never wanted to worldbuild that from your perspective Frinckles+Loldebite might seem reasonable? He's literally hesitating to vote me and it'd mark the second silly/joking interaction we've had all game with next to zero actual content.

So what I'm seeing is that you just jumped over to Frinckles+Martin while reciting the words 'weird' and 'aloof' repeatedly. You kept the both of us alive and killed outside so that you could pan back and say "hey, look I called it" when it boiled down to a F5. As if all the reasons I posted above weren't enough to constitute a TR on Martin from me, your play kind of seals the deal.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I have been gunning for you all game. I'm so sure of it, and if you lynch me well the game is over. We have to lynch scum today, and this wall of scum paint sadly enough may convince one of the two other towns.

Frinckles + MM world is absolutely reasonable. That is why if Martin IS town, he is making a huge mistake by putting all his chips in the Frinckles basket. Again I don't see why Martin couldn't fathom a Scum!Frinckles world, and that is what has me extremely concerned.

This early aloofness - late heavy scumpaint is exactly how you played the last game you were scum in. You were a cop if I recall. What game was that?

Originally Posted by Frinckles

This is a two part so it's easier for responses. 1/2

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Martin
Honestly you ooze so much emotion throughout this game via your rhetoric, the way you type, grammatical shifts etc. You started off the game in a apathetic mood and it is reflected throughout your ISO in your first post and multiple times afterward (hope you feel better afterwards, by the way -- shit happens but that's okay.) When Renegade pushed you to contribute more you explained all this to him directly:



You also disagreed with Renegade on other things like Ozy being LHF after you had just ended a massive back-and-forth with Ozy; hell at one point you even voted Renegade. There are some things I thought were weird about your slot, like entertaining a no-lynch or possibly pocketing me; but honestly I can't find a scenario where you're scum here. There's a couple reasons for that -- post count, tone, validity of arguments and a few other small things. But one of the biggest things that popped out to me was that not once, but four times you've reminded players to achieve their post counts out of concern of them being mod-killed. There is no reason for scum to mention this and certainly no reason for scum to be so insistent on doing this particularly over an AFK slot like Oliver or Loldebite right before F5.

Between your pushbacks/votes on Renegade, frustrated interactions with Loldebite, and hyper-awareness of the fact that you and MM didn't interact* (enough to even taunt Ozy) it seems pretty apparent that you're least likely scum here. *side note, you two did interact later on.

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So, then this is usually the really difficult part where I need to find the last town member and then the F5 tug of war begins.
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I think you and Martin are just coming right out and saying you are scum, and trying to get a single vote from Loldebite or MM. MM has been all over me all game so I'm not surprised they are alive and part of your plan. Martin if you are town then this is exactly what Frinckles has aimed for. Your vote. But I am extremely doubtful. I find it hard to believe two players would be so confident about themselves both being town in a F5 3v2 situation.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Renegade
You've been gunning for me and Martin since the game began basically, like non-stop and frankly to the point where you didn't need to even type a post like this:





I don't remember playing scum with you in the game. I barely remember playing scum at all, actually. But if this was my scum-meta I'd certainly have a remarkable one since the entirety of the game has considered me a top townread or was reluctant to vote me despite your incessant pushing. Honestly though, none of this matters because I know well enough that even if you were town there would be zero way for me convince you that I'm town at this point in the game anyway. You didn't earn a townread from me and I didn't earn a townread from you and we can apologize to deathchat pre-emptively if this is TvT. This would be an impossible position.

But honestly I don't think it is. You've literally breadcrumbed up to this point by pushing me and Martin in a way. I know I'm Town and I'm thinking there must be a reason I'm alive over someone like Norwee, right?



Yeah, I admit I townread Norwee but you just read the room wrong here. Norwee was pushed plenty this game by different people. And on a related note, Varcron and Norwee both pushed MM on days one and two respectively. Whether that makes MM scum #2 here is up in the air, but if you were actually worldbuilding a scumteam, a town!renegade would never ever posit a Frinckles+Martin team over a Frinckles+MM team or even Frinckles+Loldebite

You're telling me town!renegade read this:

And you never wanted to worldbuild that from your perspective Frinckles+MM might seem reasonable?

You're telling me town!renegade read this reply from Loldebite to Ozy:


And you never wanted to worldbuild that from your perspective Frinckles+Loldebite might seem reasonable? He's literally hesitating to vote me and it'd mark the second silly/joking interaction we've had all game with next to zero actual content.

So what I'm seeing is that you just jumped over to Frinckles+Martin while reciting the words 'weird' and 'aloof' repeatedly. You kept the both of us alive and killed outside so that you could pan back and say "hey, look I called it" when it boiled down to a F5. As if all the reasons I posted above weren't enough to constitute a TR on Martin from me, your play kind of seals the deal.

Yes, I have been gunning for you all game. I'm so sure of it, and if you lynch me well the game is over. We have to lynch scum today, and this wall of scum paint sadly enough may convince one of the two other towns.

Frinckles + MM world is absolutely reasonable. That is why if Martin IS town, he is making a huge mistake by putting all his chips in the Frinckles basket. Again I don't see why Martin couldn't fathom a Scum!Frinckles world, and that is what has me extremely concerned.

This early aloofness - late heavy scumpaint is exactly how you played the last game you were scum in. You were a cop if I recall. What game was that?

[QUOTE=Frinckles;968075]And truth be told, this day is already over. Martin and I townread eachother, Loldebite said he townread me and MM already said he would vote Renegade (in addition to doing literally everything in his power to kill him anyway.)[/QUOTE]

I am too exhausted to respond to your wall, but I will.

Again, nobody should vote yet. But I presume you are leading the lynch on me.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

And truth be told, this day is already over. Martin and I townread eachother, Loldebite said he townread me and MM already said he would vote Renegade (in addition to doing literally everything in his power to kill him anyway.)

I am too exhausted to respond to your wall, but I will.

Again, nobody should vote yet. But I presume you are leading the lynch on me.

[QUOTE=Loldebite;968065]Interesting that Mizery died. I'm not [I]too[/I] sad about it because I was feeling less confident about that slot that I was earlier...
I feel good about renegade tho, after looking at his ISO I found many comments/posts that didn't feel S/S to me (which might be me not understanding ren at all) towards everyone left alive but Mizery (and maybe me, idk)

That being said I'm off to sleep more than 1 hour.[/QUOTE]

Not going to lie but I think you are trying to pocket me here. And it is a bit concerning.


[QUOTE=MartinGG99;968069]I'm gonna be real

I kinda just feel like sheeping Frinckles for two reasons

1] If there's anyone I would want to lose to here, it would be him.
2] There isn't much of a gap between MM/Renegade/Loldebite to me imo.

Though.....loldebite's claim about renegade is [I]interesting[/I]. Not quite sure I've seen someone claim that on another slot in a f5 before.


.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;968071]Actually that just means MM is scum in either case fmpov lol.[/QUOTE]

You want to sheep Frinckles, so you are saying there is no Frinckles!Scum world? I just want it on the record that you have totally excluded this possibility. And I AM NOT A FAN of your reason 1.

Okay, I can see your argument for MM being scum. But who are they paired with then?

Originally Posted by Loldebite

Interesting that Mizery died. I'm not too sad about it because I was feeling less confident about that slot that I was earlier...
I feel good about renegade tho, after looking at his ISO I found many comments/posts that didn't feel S/S to me (which might be me not understanding ren at all) towards everyone left alive but Mizery (and maybe me, idk)

That being said I'm off to sleep more than 1 hour.

Not going to lie but I think you are trying to pocket me here. And it is a bit concerning.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

I'm gonna be real

I kinda just feel like sheeping Frinckles for two reasons

1] If there's anyone I would want to lose to here, it would be him.
2] There isn't much of a gap between MM/Renegade/Loldebite to me imo.

Though.....loldebite's claim about renegade is interesting. Not quite sure I've seen someone claim that on another slot in a f5 before.


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Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Actually that just means MM is scum in either case fmpov lol.

You want to sheep Frinckles, so you are saying there is no Frinckles!Scum world? I just want it on the record that you have totally excluded this possibility. And I AM NOT A FAN of your reason 1.

Okay, I can see your argument for MM being scum. But who are they paired with then?

NOBODY VOTE YET!!!!!!!!

We should announce our intent to vote but not actually vote because scum can hammer.

I'm pretty sure the solve is Frinckles + Martin. So either of them is my vote today.

NOBODY VOTE YET!!!!!!!!

We should announce our intent to vote but not actually vote because scum can hammer.

I'm pretty sure the solve is Frinckles + Martin. So either of them is my vote today.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;968024]That should be 200 words. At least.

Now that this most important matter is settled, I'd still like [MENTION=30852]Renegade[/MENTION] to elaborate on [MENTION=34329]Frinckles[/MENTION]' meta and on the read he derives from it, and while we're at it, to hear Frinckles' thoughts on Renegade. I believe this is a TvS pairing, with either Renegade scumpainting Frinckles or Frinckles fooling me and Renegade somehow being actually town calling me out on it. I strongly lean towards the former.[/QUOTE]

I'm entirely convinced that Frinckles and Martin are the scum pair. I am also suspicious of how the Loldebite train formed and fizzled just as quickly.

In retrospect voting Ozy was a mistake on my part. But he was acting extremely strange and his vote on me was extremely forced and nitpicky.

Frinckles & Martin were on BOTH trains.

Frinckles acts aloof when he is scum based on several games I've played with him. He is much more analytical and to the point when he is town, much more willing to solve the game. His day 1 ALONE is enough to convince me is he scum.

Frinckles claims his meta is pointless, of course that is what he wants us to think.

It is extremely obvious to me Martin and Frinckles are scum, at the very least ONE of them, and will do everything I can do convince the rest of you of this if it isn't already obvious to you already.

As for seeing the Norwee flip, I don't think it is that surprising. I'm not sure anyone ever voted them all game so they had some level of implicit universal town reading.

That is all for now. Obviously I am in favor of skipping.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

That should be 200 words. At least.

Now that this most important matter is settled, I'd still like @Renegade to elaborate on @Frinckles ' meta and on the read he derives from it, and while we're at it, to hear Frinckles' thoughts on Renegade. I believe this is a TvS pairing, with either Renegade scumpainting Frinckles or Frinckles fooling me and Renegade somehow being actually town calling me out on it. I strongly lean towards the former.

I'm entirely convinced that Frinckles and Martin are the scum pair. I am also suspicious of how the Loldebite train formed and fizzled just as quickly.

In retrospect voting Ozy was a mistake on my part. But he was acting extremely strange and his vote on me was extremely forced and nitpicky.

Frinckles & Martin were on BOTH trains.

Frinckles acts aloof when he is scum based on several games I've played with him. He is much more analytical and to the point when he is town, much more willing to solve the game. His day 1 ALONE is enough to convince me is he scum.

Frinckles claims his meta is pointless, of course that is what he wants us to think.

It is extremely obvious to me Martin and Frinckles are scum, at the very least ONE of them, and will do everything I can do convince the rest of you of this if it isn't already obvious to you already.

As for seeing the Norwee flip, I don't think it is that surprising. I'm not sure anyone ever voted them all game so they had some level of implicit universal town reading.

That is all for now. Obviously I am in favor of skipping.

That's fine Ozy. I think we should see your flip. You act too strange for my tastes and oddly let people slide (Frinckles).

[vote]Ozywho[/vote]

I wouldn't be surprised if Martin was bussing you.

That's fine Ozy. I think we should see your flip. You act too strange for my tastes and oddly let people slide (Frinckles).

-vote Ozywho

I wouldn't be surprised if Martin was bussing you.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;967959]I got 7 posts left after this.

Also worth noting: That loldebite wagon disappeared preety quickly.

[/QUOTE]

Yeah strange isn't it. What happened to the Lolly wagon? All the lolly voters seemed so damned convinced earlier.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;967960]
Some of us actually play the game, and it sometimes involves asking questions and stating your confusions.
Instead of going out of your way to call me obtuse, why not help the game solving process and say what I'm missing?
I don't mean this is a joke when I now say, I'm not looking forward to playing with you again. Like this is beyond belief. Your first actual real game post was like Day2 adressing people's thoughts on your SB16 vote, yet you go out of your way to call other people who play the game obtuse without even attempting the process in any way - just make a comment to insult.
Like just let me play the game please? If you don't play why go out of your way to insult others "lol you're retarded here"? Un-fucking-cool mate.

[/QUOTE]
Why don't you join me in voting Frinckles then?. You keep pointing out that he wastes posts, didn't start playing to d2, and criticizing his game play, yet you are voting me for mocking a remark you made. Are YOU trying to solve the game? It seems pretty clear you agree with the points that lead me to believe he is scum.

Final note - I will consider voting Martin today and saving Frinckles for tomorrow if that is a more viable train.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

I got 7 posts left after this.

Also worth noting: That loldebite wagon disappeared preety quickly.

Yeah strange isn't it. What happened to the Lolly wagon? All the lolly voters seemed so damned convinced earlier.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

Some of us actually play the game, and it sometimes involves asking questions and stating your confusions.
Instead of going out of your way to call me obtuse, why not help the game solving process and say what I'm missing?
I don't mean this is a joke when I now say, I'm not looking forward to playing with you again. Like this is beyond belief. Your first actual real game post was like Day2 adressing people's thoughts on your SB16 vote, yet you go out of your way to call other people who play the game obtuse without even attempting the process in any way - just make a comment to insult.
Like just let me play the game please? If you don't play why go out of your way to insult others "lol you're retarded here"? Un-fucking-cool mate.

Why don't you join me in voting Frinckles then?. You keep pointing out that he wastes posts, didn't start playing to d2, and criticizing his game play, yet you are voting me for mocking a remark you made. Are YOU trying to solve the game? It seems pretty clear you agree with the points that lead me to believe he is scum.

Final note - I will consider voting Martin today and saving Frinckles for tomorrow if that is a more viable train.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;967944]Excuse me? All this time you thought I was lying and never bothered to mention it? You believe I was lying and didn't even bat an eye on my slot in all this time? Don't you think that someone lying for manipulation, or whatever, is an important detail for game solving?

I'm sorry but this is personal. Idk if I even care that there were like 3-4 slots I'd rather have lynched before this comment if yours.

[VOTE]Renegade[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

yikes (!!!) I won't even dignify this with more of a response.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

Excuse me? All this time you thought I was lying and never bothered to mention it? You believe I was lying and didn't even bat an eye on my slot in all this time? Don't you think that someone lying for manipulation, or whatever, is an important detail for game solving?

I'm sorry but this is personal. Idk if I even care that there were like 3-4 slots I'd rather have lynched before this comment if yours.

-vote Renegade

yikes (!!!) I won't even dignify this with more of a response.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;967935]F
[COLOR="#008000"]Ozy: analysis of important stuff (such as EOD1 wagon, see above) + the "don't mess with my neuroticism" stuff, which would be really dirty to fake imo. (Meta note: don't make this into a meta of yours, this is a one-time read and pulling that intentionally would suck lol, hence I'm thinking you're town for doing it spontaneously)[/COLOR]

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Imagine buying into Ozy's bs "don't mess with my neuroticism".

[QUOTE=Mizery;967934][MENTION=45628]Norwee[/MENTION] I TR you for your opener on D1 which technically isn't very towny and the fact that you started counting your posts. It's a bad reason to townread you i get that but that's where I'm at
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While it is a pretty weak reason to townread someone, them counting their posts, I'll give it some weight considering we still have people tossing posts away (frinckles).

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

F
Ozy: analysis of important stuff (such as EOD1 wagon, see above) + the "don't mess with my neuroticism" stuff, which would be really dirty to fake imo. (Meta note: don't make this into a meta of yours, this is a one-time read and pulling that intentionally would suck lol, hence I'm thinking you're town for doing it spontaneously)

Imagine buying into Ozy's bs "don't mess with my neuroticism".

Originally Posted by Mizery

@Norwee I TR you for your opener on D1 which technically isn't very towny and the fact that you started counting your posts. It's a bad reason to townread you i get that but that's where I'm at

While it is a pretty weak reason to townread someone, them counting their posts, I'll give it some weight considering we still have people tossing posts away (frinckles).

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;967931]Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the swift part of the Stealth train not Martin's fault at all? Mizery placed a vote in reaction to Stealth voting Frinckles, and then Loldebite and Frinckles followed.
Also, what is a "hubbub" lol

If you're going with your gut, then what does your gut tell you about Frinckles that makes you vote him? This feels like yet [I]another[/I] void intervention. [vote]Renegade[/vote][/QUOTE]

I've seen Frinckles play with this aloof attitude before as scum. So part of it is on meta. He doesn't strike me as town, and for all the criticism several are lobbing at me, what has frinckles added? Look at his posts today, completely empty. He wastes posts by saying "im not librarian" and then following it up with "i'm not going to fakeclaim librarian". He isn't even trying to be a good steward of the limited ability to speak. I won't apologize for scum reading him for that.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the swift part of the Stealth train not Martin's fault at all? Mizery placed a vote in reaction to Stealth voting Frinckles, and then Loldebite and Frinckles followed.
Also, what is a "hubbub" lol

If you're going with your gut, then what does your gut tell you about Frinckles that makes you vote him? This feels like yet another void intervention.

-vote Renegade

I've seen Frinckles play with this aloof attitude before as scum. So part of it is on meta. He doesn't strike me as town, and for all the criticism several are lobbing at me, what has frinckles added? Look at his posts today, completely empty. He wastes posts by saying "im not librarian" and then following it up with "i'm not going to fakeclaim librarian". He isn't even trying to be a good steward of the limited ability to speak. I won't apologize for scum reading him for that.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;967901]I was examining the vote count and noticed you were on Martin, so I went to check what your reason for voting him was. It apparently is that Ozy is... LHF? Do you stand by your read that basically states Martin tried to lynch LHF town Ozy? If so, where do you see this? Because... I don't. And Martin was Stealth's counterwagon.

Also, thoughts on the Stealth lynch? You've been pretty empty content-wise.[/QUOTE]

I never felt good about the Martin slot. Martin's d1 seems strange and forced, especially the hubbub with Ozy. And honestly the swift stealth train reinforces that even more.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;967907]
[B]Renegade,[/B] I think I saw you online at EoD? You didn't have the same feeling then? Your lack of vote to go with your D2 opener together with your lack of having the same comment at EoD1 feels a bit.. uncommitted.. tbh.
[/QUOTE]


Do not make any assumptions about my or anyone elses so called "online" presence. Honestly this feature should be turned off. I leave tabs open all day.

My lack of vote to go with the D2 opener is a valid criticism though. I'm going with my gut.

[vote]Frinckles[/vote]

[QUOTE=OzyWho;967915]"Ftr, in the post where Varcron said to take a look at loldebite if SB16 flips green, Varcron comments on Frinckles were basically same level of suspicion."
Nvm this was a lie.

YOLO
[VOTE]Loldebite[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

I don't mean to pick on you, but you literally just put someone at L-1. The reason that is a bad idea should be obvious.

Can we get votes off Loldebite for the time being>?

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

I was examining the vote count and noticed you were on Martin, so I went to check what your reason for voting him was. It apparently is that Ozy is... LHF? Do you stand by your read that basically states Martin tried to lynch LHF town Ozy? If so, where do you see this? Because... I don't. And Martin was Stealth's counterwagon.

Also, thoughts on the Stealth lynch? You've been pretty empty content-wise.

I never felt good about the Martin slot. Martin's d1 seems strange and forced, especially the hubbub with Ozy. And honestly the swift stealth train reinforces that even more.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

Renegade, I think I saw you online at EoD? You didn't have the same feeling then? Your lack of vote to go with your D2 opener together with your lack of having the same comment at EoD1 feels a bit.. uncommitted.. tbh.

Do not make any assumptions about my or anyone elses so called "online" presence. Honestly this feature should be turned off. I leave tabs open all day.

My lack of vote to go with the D2 opener is a valid criticism though. I'm going with my gut.

-vote Frinckles

Originally Posted by OzyWho

"Ftr, in the post where Varcron said to take a look at loldebite if SB16 flips green, Varcron comments on Frinckles were basically same level of suspicion."
Nvm this was a lie.

YOLO

-vote Loldebite

I don't mean to pick on you, but you literally just put someone at L-1. The reason that is a bad idea should be obvious.

Can we get votes off Loldebite for the time being>?

Frankly I'm suspicious of how the stealth train assembled at the EOD yesterday. My eyes are mainly on the Frinckles slot for now.

And Poor varcron. He didn't get lynched d1 this time.

1/15

Frankly I'm suspicious of how the stealth train assembled at the EOD yesterday. My eyes are mainly on the Frinckles slot for now.

And Poor varcron. He didn't get lynched d1 this time.

1/15

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;967821][vote]Renegade[/vote]

Pending Ozy's response to me, I'd rather vote the guy has a more wolfy reason of voting me.

[B][I][SIZE=3]However[/SIZE][/I][/B], a skip vote may be good for everyone in general given the nature of this game so I am ironically agreeing with Renegade in that regard. Besides, if the wolves do decide to night-kill, we can discuss that as well. Either they take out someone who's had their fair share of attention or d1 interactions, and so we can discuss that if desired, or they take out some seemingly irrelevant slot (to avoid night-kill-analysis) that could be a potential mislynch later down the road.[/QUOTE]

Marino, I expected more. I guess it is self pres to tie us as trains for now, then again I am always shouting that self pres is NAI.

But of all the people so far in this game, I am the best target because I am ... voting you? Please tell me there is more to your vote.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

-vote Renegade

Pending Ozy's response to me, I'd rather vote the guy has a more wolfy reason of voting me.

However, a skip vote may be good for everyone in general given the nature of this game so I am ironically agreeing with Renegade in that regard. Besides, if the wolves do decide to night-kill, we can discuss that as well. Either they take out someone who's had their fair share of attention or d1 interactions, and so we can discuss that if desired, or they take out some seemingly irrelevant slot (to avoid night-kill-analysis) that could be a potential mislynch later down the road.

Marino, I expected more. I guess it is self pres to tie us as trains for now, then again I am always shouting that self pres is NAI.

But of all the people so far in this game, I am the best target because I am ... voting you? Please tell me there is more to your vote.

We have what 8 or so hours until EOD.
[MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION] can you be more specific about how I am being "infuriatingly uncommunicative"? I don't really take offense to that I just fail to see the source of that comment. Have you asked me anything I haven't answered?

Regarding today's lynch, I will note that it is optional according to the setup. Purely numbers wise, we are more likely to mislynch today than on any other day. I'm not voting to skip, but I am throwing it out there.

We have what 8 or so hours until EOD.
@Loldebite can you be more specific about how I am being "infuriatingly uncommunicative"? I don't really take offense to that I just fail to see the source of that comment. Have you asked me anything I haven't answered?

Regarding today's lynch, I will note that it is optional according to the setup. Purely numbers wise, we are more likely to mislynch today than on any other day. I'm not voting to skip, but I am throwing it out there.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;967763]to be or to not be.....serious

that is the question

[vote]OzyWho[/vote]

regardless of my yet-be-serious or actually-serious status I would like to note that [I]I want to town-read Mizery and not look back ever[/I] and this isn't being exaggerated in any shape or form just because of some word-count restriction that you all may or may not be thinking of right now because I would like to emphasize that isn't, okay? [SIZE=1]And if that got too confusing to read I just italicized my point for thy dear readers.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

Take this as a compliment, but I'm expecting more from you - Oxy is extremely low hanging fruit. And what you wrote after just strikes me as trying so hard to play it safe while appearing to make a statement..

[vote]MartinGG99[/vote].

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

to be or to not be.....serious

that is the question

-vote OzyWho

regardless of my yet-be-serious or actually-serious status I would like to note that I want to town-read Mizery and not look back ever and this isn't being exaggerated in any shape or form just because of some word-count restriction that you all may or may not be thinking of right now because I would like to emphasize that isn't, okay? And if that got too confusing to read I just italicized my point for thy dear readers.

Take this as a compliment, but I'm expecting more from you - Oxy is extremely low hanging fruit. And what you wrote after just strikes me as trying so hard to play it safe while appearing to make a statement..

-vote MartinGG99

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[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;967761][COLOR="#FF0000"]Hi[/COLOR]

Don't worry, I don't hate everything, I only hate you :calix:

See, my response got the game rolling as well. What did you expect, a nod of approval for shitposts and a hug? More shitposts, and then no more content? I REFUSE! Not a single post shall be wasted, not a single point shall be omitted, not a single vote shall be forgotten. You're basically doing what I expected you to do if your attempt to generate content (by vocally not generating any, ironically) was genuine, so you're probably town xD.

However, Renny Gator has replied with "I don't know how anyone could take ozy's posts seriously lmao" and all, and a "concern" about the post restrictions being anti-town (which is honestly just stating the obvious), and this, [I]without adding anything more, proposing a solution to anything, or voicing suspicions towards anyone.[/I] Like, if he thinks me getting into Ozy's posts is silly and weird, why not question me, or vote me? Conversely, if he thinks I'm right about Ozy's posts, why not attack Ozy? And why just end up posting a "oh noes there is a post limit", which is really just... meh?

[Vote]Renegade[/vote]

Also, accusations of "going for low hanging fruit" in post #14 addressing post #6 is a little silly xD, like it'd actually result in a turbolynch or something lol.
Do you have any thoughts on Renegade, regarding what I said earlier in this post or regarding what you please?[/QUOTE]

Meh, now both you and Ozy are claiming the hill of "got the ball rolling" as an excuse for the odd jousting?


[QUOTE=Mizery;967766]
Don't ask me for reasoning, you'll only be wasting both of our posts:

MM V
Varcron V


[VOTE]loldebite[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

What does V mean?


--- Not a fan of Frinckles blowing 4 posts on nothing.

[QUOTE=Norwee;967779]


First of all... Why so little posts so far? I get there's a post limit. But even i, whom has become known as one of the "post wasters" up to now. Still only used 7 posts with this one. So i got more than half left. And the deadline from now on is 1 day and 3 hours. So i am being surprisingly prudent with the posts i've got available in my budget. Should be room for another day of responding.

[/QUOTE]

I actually agree here. I think there is waste with people like Frinckles blowing through useless posts but we need more discussion.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Hi

Don't worry, I don't hate everything, I only hate you

See, my response got the game rolling as well. What did you expect, a nod of approval for shitposts and a hug? More shitposts, and then no more content? I REFUSE! Not a single post shall be wasted, not a single point shall be omitted, not a single vote shall be forgotten. You're basically doing what I expected you to do if your attempt to generate content (by vocally not generating any, ironically) was genuine, so you're probably town xD.

However, Renny Gator has replied with "I don't know how anyone could take ozy's posts seriously lmao" and all, and a "concern" about the post restrictions being anti-town (which is honestly just stating the obvious), and this, without adding anything more, proposing a solution to anything, or voicing suspicions towards anyone. Like, if he thinks me getting into Ozy's posts is silly and weird, why not question me, or vote me? Conversely, if he thinks I'm right about Ozy's posts, why not attack Ozy? And why just end up posting a "oh noes there is a post limit", which is really just... meh?

-vote Renegade

Also, accusations of "going for low hanging fruit" in post #14 addressing post #6 is a little silly xD, like it'd actually result in a turbolynch or something lol.
Do you have any thoughts on Renegade, regarding what I said earlier in this post or regarding what you please?

Meh, now both you and Ozy are claiming the hill of "got the ball rolling" as an excuse for the odd jousting?

Originally Posted by Mizery

Don't ask me for reasoning, you'll only be wasting both of our posts:

MM V
Varcron V

-vote loldebite

What does V mean?


--- Not a fan of Frinckles blowing 4 posts on nothing.

Originally Posted by Norwee

First of all... Why so little posts so far? I get there's a post limit. But even i, whom has become known as one of the "post wasters" up to now. Still only used 7 posts with this one. So i got more than half left. And the deadline from now on is 1 day and 3 hours. So i am being surprisingly prudent with the posts i've got available in my budget. Should be room for another day of responding.

I actually agree here. I think there is waste with people like Frinckles blowing through useless posts but we need more discussion.

Account Name: GorTeck
Account ID: 1-S2-1-4963202
In-Game Name: Dance Off (slot 11)

Crimes Committed: Reactionary Gamethrowing

Your Account Name: Renegade
Summary:

Day 5, in a 3v3, 11 (DH) votes up triad teammate and gulties.

Night 5, DH shoots Judge.

Night 6, DH suicides.

Clear cut case of reactionary game throwing. The main conflict was 4 (vanguard) disagreeing about the DH voting up the witch claim.

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Account Name: GorTeck
Account ID: 1-S2-1-4963202
In-Game Name: Dance Off (slot 11)

Crimes Committed: Reactionary Gamethrowing

Your Account Name: Renegade
Summary:

Day 5, in a 3v3, 11 (DH) votes up triad teammate and gulties.

Night 5, DH shoots Judge.

Night 6, DH suicides.

Clear cut case of reactionary game throwing. The main conflict was 4 (vanguard) disagreeing about the DH voting up the witch claim.

Few things I'd like to say:

Honestly I don't know how anyone could take Oxy's first few posts seriously. At least seriously enough to vote Oxy... lmaooooo.

Second of all, I'm really concerned that the post restrictions do not favor the town, especially early on.

Few things I'd like to say:

Honestly I don't know how anyone could take Oxy's first few posts seriously. At least seriously enough to vote Oxy... lmaooooo.

Second of all, I'm really concerned that the post restrictions do not favor the town, especially early on.

/sign

The only thing I would suggest is maybe a 12 hour free post period at the start of the game. I'm concerned that d1 won't have a lot to generate discussion because people will be saving their posts but maybe that is intended.

/sign

The only thing I would suggest is maybe a 12 hour free post period at the start of the game. I'm concerned that d1 won't have a lot to generate discussion because people will be saving their posts but maybe that is intended.

Giving people votes? Fine. Taking someone's vote away? No thanks.

Playing as a role with no vote, town's most important power, is not fun.

Giving people votes? Fine. Taking someone's vote away? No thanks.

Playing as a role with no vote, town's most important power, is not fun.

They are both too easy to self confirm. Wouldn't then attorney just be a watered down Mayor?

They are both too easy to self confirm. Wouldn't then attorney just be a watered down Mayor?

Sadly, I am still seeing the 2 nights later setting being used in trash saves.

Should be removed.

Sadly, I am still seeing the 2 nights later setting being used in trash saves.

Should be removed.

I'll join you ceko

I'll join you ceko

Yeah but this is apparently a 'double throw' where pre cult conversion behavior is being used against the reported.

Yeah but this is apparently a 'double throw' where pre cult conversion behavior is being used against the reported.

I know I'm not supposed to post here but I don't really care as this is an important topic.

[SIZE=5]Auditor is in no way shape or form [B]OBLIGATED [/B]to help cult. Auditor is a NEUTRAL role, is evil, and can try to go for their own solo win if they want.
[/SIZE]
How the hell is it griefing if Auditor doesn't side with the cult? It isn't clear they 'sided' with the town, and they aren't obligated to side with cult.

If you want an extra plus 1 for cult then put it in the save. Don't include auditor because you simultaneously expect them to help cult and allow masons the ability to recruit.

If you think auditor should be forced to help cult, then make a new cult faction and put him in there.

Finally, not helping cult does NOT equal helping town. They are not mutually exclusive.

What a bullshit conclusion.

I know I'm not supposed to post here but I don't really care as this is an important topic.

Auditor is in no way shape or form OBLIGATED to help cult. Auditor is a NEUTRAL role, is evil, and can try to go for their own solo win if they want.

How the hell is it griefing if Auditor doesn't side with the cult? It isn't clear they 'sided' with the town, and they aren't obligated to side with cult.

If you want an extra plus 1 for cult then put it in the save. Don't include auditor because you simultaneously expect them to help cult and allow masons the ability to recruit.

If you think auditor should be forced to help cult, then make a new cult faction and put him in there.

Finally, not helping cult does NOT equal helping town. They are not mutually exclusive.

What a bullshit conclusion.

If I've learned anything, it is that prefer/blacklist is not gonna change.

Mind as well just accept it now.

If I've learned anything, it is that prefer/blacklist is not gonna change.

Mind as well just accept it now.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;963954]/in[/QUOTE]

Lmao you did it.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

/in

Lmao you did it.

The playerbase has increased since the crackdown on racist losers. There was also significant overlap between the set of racist losers and the set of trolls/griefers.

Speaking from my experience, I quit playing because every game in the mod was just racist spam. It is definitely not like that anymore.

I am very happy that the decision was made to clean up the racism despite it taking[B] FAR too long[/B].

The playerbase has increased since the crackdown on racist losers. There was also significant overlap between the set of racist losers and the set of trolls/griefers.

Speaking from my experience, I quit playing because every game in the mod was just racist spam. It is definitely not like that anymore.

I am very happy that the decision was made to clean up the racism despite it taking FAR too long.

oh man who rezzed this thread XD

oh man who rezzed this thread XD

Sign for election day. Or make an Elden Ring themed setup.

Sign for election day. Or make an Elden Ring themed setup.

/sign

/sign

Gg was the 'abrasive' blue beard

Gg was the 'abrasive' blue beard

Sad state of affairs, but don't give him attention and he will get bored.

Sad state of affairs, but don't give him attention and he will get bored.

I don't know if he's hacking, I played another game with him and he didn't seem to have any extra info, though I did call him out on the game reported above.

I wouldn't permaban him on this report alone, but I wanted it on the record.

I don't know if he's hacking, I played another game with him and he didn't seem to have any extra info, though I did call him out on the game reported above.

I wouldn't permaban him on this report alone, but I wanted it on the record.

Account Name: Melhorn
Account ID: 1-S2-1-12390192
In-Game Name: Enzo Costa (slot 9)

Crimes Committed: Hacking

Your Account Name: Renegade
Summary:

This guy rolls armorsmith in slot 9. Claims he is an "exact role sheriff" and correctly identifies every day the d2 liason, d4 the silencer, and d5 the DH.

There is no way he could have deduced this all. Must be hacking.

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Account Name: Melhorn
Account ID: 1-S2-1-12390192
In-Game Name: Enzo Costa (slot 9)

Crimes Committed: Hacking

Your Account Name: Renegade
Summary:

This guy rolls armorsmith in slot 9. Claims he is an "exact role sheriff" and correctly identifies every day the d2 liason, d4 the silencer, and d5 the DH.

There is no way he could have deduced this all. Must be hacking.

I've yet to see a lover win. It's just another death n1 n2 n3.

I've yet to see a lover win. It's just another death n1 n2 n3.

Another day, another host either unaware or trolling(more likely, cuz they played stupid afterward), with 3 day delay kill on, can be healed by doc on, and knows they are poisoned on.

Another day, another host either unaware or trolling(more likely, cuz they played stupid afterward), with 3 day delay kill on, can be healed by doc on, and knows they are poisoned on.

This would turn kidnapper/interro into a confirmed town kill role. Gov reveals, jail and exe. Too powerful?

This would turn kidnapper/interro into a confirmed town kill role. Gov reveals, jail and exe. Too powerful?

[QUOTE=Veliaire;957796]Yes. Something to make people feel their time is actually worth something.

You can relax though, it would take days for a person to earn enough points to use a vest once, and there's no guarantee they'd actually even be shot the night they use it.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/?st=JH2MUORV&sh=5997c5a5[/url]

Originally Posted by Veliaire

Yes. Something to make people feel their time is actually worth something.

You can relax though, it would take days for a person to earn enough points to use a vest once, and there's no guarantee they'd actually even be shot the night they use it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBat...RV&sh=5997c5a5

[QUOTE=Veliaire;957781]I currently have 3x as many points as are needed for the highest reward, so I am a fan of adding more ways to spend points--especially point sinks!

How about something like a vest that costs 750 points? Or some other ability that costs points per use?[/QUOTE]

Oh yes, more point rewards that affect the game. That will attract the new players to grind away in games for points.

Originally Posted by Veliaire

I currently have 3x as many points as are needed for the highest reward, so I am a fan of adding more ways to spend points--especially point sinks!

How about something like a vest that costs 750 points? Or some other ability that costs points per use?

Oh yes, more point rewards that affect the game. That will attract the new players to grind away in games for points.

You can heckle me all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that all of what you are asking for Helz has already been done and (apparently) largely ignored.

And of course I understand the thankless task of being a developer. I'm a donor, I don't expect anything of it, but that doesn't mean I won't point out how this has been an issue brought up for YEARS and tabled every single time.

So many complaints about lobbies not filling, yet you let the so called "veterans" reign over the game with broken mechanics like prefer for... reasons? to appease them?

I guarantee you would get more new players over time than lose so called "veterans" if they couldn't prefer.

And if somemone needs prefer to enjoy sc2mafia, then that says a lot about them.

You can heckle me all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that all of what you are asking for Helz has already been done and (apparently) largely ignored.

And of course I understand the thankless task of being a developer. I'm a donor, I don't expect anything of it, but that doesn't mean I won't point out how this has been an issue brought up for YEARS and tabled every single time.

So many complaints about lobbies not filling, yet you let the so called "veterans" reign over the game with broken mechanics like prefer for... reasons? to appease them?

I guarantee you would get more new players over time than lose so called "veterans" if they couldn't prefer.

And if somemone needs prefer to enjoy sc2mafia, then that says a lot about them.